Here's what I'm thinking...
Fire has some really powerful spells that does a lot of damage around the elementalist, for example
Flame Burst - Spell
All nearby foes are struck by jets of flame for 15-99 fire damage.
Lava Font - Spell
For 5 seconds, foes adjacent to the location where this Spell was cast are struck for 5-29 fire damage.
Bed of Coals (new skill)
Create a Bed of Coals at your location. For 10 seconds, foes standing still near this location are struck for 5...24 fire damage each second. Any foe knocked down on the Bed of Coals is set on fire for 3...6 seconds.
now, elems normally wouldn't want a bunch of enemies around them, but the earth elementalist does have some good defensive spell options. i'm thinking that after defensive spells are up, go around a bunch of enemies and cast bed of coals and earthquake, and then a quick flame burst...i think that could definetly do a decent amount of damage. I haven't tested this yet, has anyone else tried?
earth + fire a good combo?
The Great Al
LightningHell
That would be all right, if the AI didn't automatically make the bots "flee" whenever you have an AoE effect on them. So, no, that would not be viable.
I'm hoping you're not talking about PvP.
I'm hoping you're not talking about PvP.
pegasux
yup bed of coals will cause them to scatter but you may be able to hit them real quick with whirlwind + aftershock after bed of coals. Lava Font is a pure defensive spell, the dmg caused by it is laughable after the AoE nerf. Another option that shouldn't cause a scatter is Burning Speed. Cast then run in to set up burn, Inferno + Whirlwind + Aftershock. Earthquake's cast time is far to long for me and the raeffect radius is to large for aftershock. Plus the energy cost + exhaustion isn't worth it. Very energy intensive though so it may not be very viable either. Now if burning speed does cause scatter then this is a moot point.
Burning Speed 10
Inferno 10 (More DMG then Flame Burst and cheaper but longer recharge time)
Whirlwind 10
Aftershock 10
Burning Speed 10
Inferno 10 (More DMG then Flame Burst and cheaper but longer recharge time)
Whirlwind 10
Aftershock 10
LightningHell
You MAY be able to. Notice the MAY.
Burning Speed shouldn't scatter.
Burning Speed shouldn't scatter.
pegasux
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Originally Posted by LightningHell
You MAY be able to. Notice the MAY.
Everything is pure speculation now until the lauch, nobody will know what will and will not work till then.
The Great Al
not for pvp, lol....I was wondering if lava font had gotten nerfed, I thought it used to be better
The Great Al
so..now that factions is released, anyone have any builds like this?
The Great Al
off the top of my head, i'm thinking maybe something like these spells...
bed of coals
unsteady ground/earthquake?
aftershock
flame burst
rodgorts invocation ?
elemental attunement
couple defensive spells, like kinetic armor and ward against melee?
thats kind of just off the top of my head but i think it looks pretty good, no? not sure if rodgorts is the best spell to bring, maybe even meteor, since it knocks down everyone in the area? any help would be awesome
bed of coals
unsteady ground/earthquake?
aftershock
flame burst
rodgorts invocation ?
elemental attunement
couple defensive spells, like kinetic armor and ward against melee?
thats kind of just off the top of my head but i think it looks pretty good, no? not sure if rodgorts is the best spell to bring, maybe even meteor, since it knocks down everyone in the area? any help would be awesome
gameshoes3003
I'd stick with one type because an attunement won't work if you have two in the works unless if you have elemental attunement which is an elite. Also you can get one type really powerful instead of spreading it out to two.
The Great Al
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Originally Posted by gameshoes3003
I'd stick with one type because an attunement won't work if you have two in the works unless if you have elemental attunement which is an elite. Also you can get one type really powerful instead of spreading it out to two.
i have fire maxed, if i lower energy storage to 75 total energy, i can get earth up to 8 + 1(minor rune) which can do some pretty good damage.
gameshoes3003
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Originally Posted by The Great Al
i have fire maxed, if i lower energy storage to 75 total energy, i can get earth up to 8 + 1(minor rune) which can do some pretty good damage.
Wow...... Nice...... Well you see I'm still lvl 17 with my guy and I was planning to do Earth/Air, but I'm gonna just go full earth because I feel like it.
Fargin Scotchsman
imo, sticking to one element seems to work better for me. i jus run earth spikes, or weards when groups need it. tho, flame burst may work well wit eq+as+cw combo
gameshoes3003
Go Elemental Power!
tuperwho
I've been dying to recreate my PBAoE nuker ever since I deleted him just after the AoE nerf. I definitely think it's possible, just needs to be very precise. The main point is you have to get all the damage to hit at the same time, or the AI will scatter after the second AoE hit. So, we accomplish this by stacking effect times and using a knockdown to hold them where they can't run away. Earth and fire is definitely the way to go so you get damage and defense. I have a build worked out somewhere, but can't find the card right now. But basically, it's high earth, fire, and enregy storage with skills picked for fast cast times, and damage per energy cost. After concidering a bunch of knockdowns, I went with meteor shower. Yes, it's costly, but the key is that it doesn't hit untill 3 seconds after you finish casting it... thus allowing you to cast other stuff that will hit at the same time. So, skills, in order:
fire attunement - cast before fight, and let energy regen to max
Kinetic Armor - right before you go into the fight
meteor shower
bed of coals
double dragon
aftershock
crystal wave/Tenai's Crystals
inferno
Haven't gotten to try it yet, but in theory, this would be a solo farming build too. Just barely enough survivability, but you only have to make it a few seconds, and they're all dead. The way it plays out is you finish meteor shower and the aftercast and cast bed of coals. The AoE AI won't trigger until the second hit of bed of coals, which will come just barely before the meteor shower KD. So, after meteor shower and aftercast, bed of coals and aftercast, you will be in the process of casting double dragon as the KD hits, making the end of it's aftercast just in time to hit aftershock while they're still knocked down. As they stand up, they'll freak and try to run, but you get crystal wave off before they've gotten far. Now, I doubt you can get inferno off too, unless you wait for them to settle and return... not good. So perhaps add armor of earth (since you aren't concerned with running anyway - you want them near you) or aura of restoration.
Haven't gotten far enough to try it yet, but my previous use of AoE nuking says it should work.... if anyone wants to try it out, let me know how it goes
Edit: or maybe trade flame burst for inferno, for the extra range of "nearby" instead of "adjacent"
fire attunement - cast before fight, and let energy regen to max
Kinetic Armor - right before you go into the fight
meteor shower
bed of coals
double dragon
aftershock
crystal wave/Tenai's Crystals
inferno
Haven't gotten to try it yet, but in theory, this would be a solo farming build too. Just barely enough survivability, but you only have to make it a few seconds, and they're all dead. The way it plays out is you finish meteor shower and the aftercast and cast bed of coals. The AoE AI won't trigger until the second hit of bed of coals, which will come just barely before the meteor shower KD. So, after meteor shower and aftercast, bed of coals and aftercast, you will be in the process of casting double dragon as the KD hits, making the end of it's aftercast just in time to hit aftershock while they're still knocked down. As they stand up, they'll freak and try to run, but you get crystal wave off before they've gotten far. Now, I doubt you can get inferno off too, unless you wait for them to settle and return... not good. So perhaps add armor of earth (since you aren't concerned with running anyway - you want them near you) or aura of restoration.
Haven't gotten far enough to try it yet, but my previous use of AoE nuking says it should work.... if anyone wants to try it out, let me know how it goes
Edit: or maybe trade flame burst for inferno, for the extra range of "nearby" instead of "adjacent"
Haggard
Whirlwind would do a better job knocking down foes into your bed of coals.
Iskrah
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gameshoes3003
Ward against enemies does help against enemies that run away.
Also, whirldwind only effects people right next to you atacking you. (kind of funny when people think it works like gale in PvP)
But, if you're going to use a big combination of attacks, I'd stay away from using things that cause exhaustion depending on how often you use it.
Yeah, I'm saying that because in PvP one time i only had 14 energy max =D
ain't that funny!??!?!??!?
Also, whirldwind only effects people right next to you atacking you. (kind of funny when people think it works like gale in PvP)
But, if you're going to use a big combination of attacks, I'd stay away from using things that cause exhaustion depending on how often you use it.
Yeah, I'm saying that because in PvP one time i only had 14 energy max =D
ain't that funny!??!?!??!?
tuperwho
I looked at whirlwind -- had never used it before, so I asked in the skills pages. No one answerred my question, though. I was wondering if you're surrounded by melee enemies, what percent count as "attacking". I didn't know how finicky it could be, and if it would or would not knock everyone down. However, if you've used it before and can verify, this could certainly work with whirlwind (and as an E/Rt, I also like the idea of grasping was k-what's-his-name, but would have to change other stuff up for the elite). The reason I like meteor shower, though, is the 3 second delay timing, and the fact that it's in a line where I already have att. points. Thus, it contributes around 100 damage to the mix.
And this is most certainly for PvE
And this is most certainly for PvE
The Great Al
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Originally Posted by tuperwho
I've been dying to recreate my PBAoE nuker ever since I deleted him just after the AoE nerf. I definitely think it's possible, just needs to be very precise. The main point is you have to get all the damage to hit at the same time, or the AI will scatter after the second AoE hit. So, we accomplish this by stacking effect times and using a knockdown to hold them where they can't run away. Earth and fire is definitely the way to go so you get damage and defense. I have a build worked out somewhere, but can't find the card right now. But basically, it's high earth, fire, and enregy storage with skills picked for fast cast times, and damage per energy cost. After concidering a bunch of knockdowns, I went with meteor shower. Yes, it's costly, but the key is that it doesn't hit untill 3 seconds after you finish casting it... thus allowing you to cast other stuff that will hit at the same time. So, skills, in order:
fire attunement - cast before fight, and let energy regen to max
Kinetic Armor - right before you go into the fight
meteor shower
bed of coals
double dragon
aftershock
crystal wave/Tenai's Crystals
inferno
Haven't gotten to try it yet, but in theory, this would be a solo farming build too. Just barely enough survivability, but you only have to make it a few seconds, and they're all dead. The way it plays out is you finish meteor shower and the aftercast and cast bed of coals. The AoE AI won't trigger until the second hit of bed of coals, which will come just barely before the meteor shower KD. So, after meteor shower and aftercast, bed of coals and aftercast, you will be in the process of casting double dragon as the KD hits, making the end of it's aftercast just in time to hit aftershock while they're still knocked down. As they stand up, they'll freak and try to run, but you get crystal wave off before they've gotten far. Now, I doubt you can get inferno off too, unless you wait for them to settle and return... not good. So perhaps add armor of earth (since you aren't concerned with running anyway - you want them near you) or aura of restoration.
Haven't gotten far enough to try it yet, but my previous use of AoE nuking says it should work.... if anyone wants to try it out, let me know how it goes
Edit: or maybe trade flame burst for inferno, for the extra range of "nearby" instead of "adjacent" I never realized that it'd work if you cast meteor shower and then bed of coals, sounds like an awesome idea.
fire attunement - cast before fight, and let energy regen to max
Kinetic Armor - right before you go into the fight
meteor shower
bed of coals
double dragon
aftershock
crystal wave/Tenai's Crystals
inferno
Haven't gotten to try it yet, but in theory, this would be a solo farming build too. Just barely enough survivability, but you only have to make it a few seconds, and they're all dead. The way it plays out is you finish meteor shower and the aftercast and cast bed of coals. The AoE AI won't trigger until the second hit of bed of coals, which will come just barely before the meteor shower KD. So, after meteor shower and aftercast, bed of coals and aftercast, you will be in the process of casting double dragon as the KD hits, making the end of it's aftercast just in time to hit aftershock while they're still knocked down. As they stand up, they'll freak and try to run, but you get crystal wave off before they've gotten far. Now, I doubt you can get inferno off too, unless you wait for them to settle and return... not good. So perhaps add armor of earth (since you aren't concerned with running anyway - you want them near you) or aura of restoration.
Haven't gotten far enough to try it yet, but my previous use of AoE nuking says it should work.... if anyone wants to try it out, let me know how it goes
Edit: or maybe trade flame burst for inferno, for the extra range of "nearby" instead of "adjacent" I never realized that it'd work if you cast meteor shower and then bed of coals, sounds like an awesome idea.
tuperwho
Just remember my disclaimer. I have Ele experience and know how the skills work, but have not actually tried this yet. I stand by my theory, but until finals are over, will not be able to give it a whirl.
And also to add, since meteor shower and Double dragon both cause exhaustion, it would be good to have an item like this one (http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Chung%27s_Focus) and a +5 energy wand to ensure enough energy along with the attunement.
Btw, shockwave could also work well for this. However, it's harder to cap, and has less damage output. It doesn't cause exhaustion, though. So if meteor shower plus double dragon are killing the build, either or both could be switched out for whirlwind (Tenaie's wind) and shockwave, if you don't mind dropping the damage (still would be very high output, just not quite as high)
And also to add, since meteor shower and Double dragon both cause exhaustion, it would be good to have an item like this one (http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Chung%27s_Focus) and a +5 energy wand to ensure enough energy along with the attunement.
Btw, shockwave could also work well for this. However, it's harder to cap, and has less damage output. It doesn't cause exhaustion, though. So if meteor shower plus double dragon are killing the build, either or both could be switched out for whirlwind (Tenaie's wind) and shockwave, if you don't mind dropping the damage (still would be very high output, just not quite as high)
Athenia
I've been trying the following builds on the first two factions mission and for the hell of it tried it on Ring of Fire and it worked really, really well. Provided of course we had two tanks, two monks, one necro (battery), a ranger and a mesmer (or similar combo) in our group.
Aura of Restoration
Fire Attunement
Breath of Fire
Rodgot's Invocation
Meteor Shower
Glyph of Energy
Dragon's Stomp
Attributes:
Earth: 7 (6+1)
Fire: 16 (12+1+3)
Energy: 12 (11+1)
When the tanks are bodly blocking a huge mob, I hit Rodgot's Invocations, Glyph of Energy, Dragon's Stomp, Breath of Fire and that usually kills off a few signification enemies. And if there are still a few enemies where the tanks are I hit Glyph of Energy again and Meteor Shower them. I've also tried the order Glyph, Meteor Shower, Breath of Fire and that takes them out really well.
I would never use Breath of Fire on a sole enemy unless its a boss and its being body blocked by tanks. But otherwise its pretty handy at doing repeat damage. Breath of Fire is also great when all the caster around me are being mass attacked in an ambush cause the AoE of it makes the enemies flee.
I've also tried Bed of Coal along with Dragon's Stomp and/or Meteor Shower and the effect is pretty awesome as well. The key with any skill that makes them flee is to use a skill that knocks them down first or keeps them down.
Aura of Restoration
Fire Attunement
Breath of Fire
Rodgot's Invocation
Meteor Shower
Glyph of Energy
Dragon's Stomp
Attributes:
Earth: 7 (6+1)
Fire: 16 (12+1+3)
Energy: 12 (11+1)
When the tanks are bodly blocking a huge mob, I hit Rodgot's Invocations, Glyph of Energy, Dragon's Stomp, Breath of Fire and that usually kills off a few signification enemies. And if there are still a few enemies where the tanks are I hit Glyph of Energy again and Meteor Shower them. I've also tried the order Glyph, Meteor Shower, Breath of Fire and that takes them out really well.
I would never use Breath of Fire on a sole enemy unless its a boss and its being body blocked by tanks. But otherwise its pretty handy at doing repeat damage. Breath of Fire is also great when all the caster around me are being mass attacked in an ambush cause the AoE of it makes the enemies flee.
I've also tried Bed of Coal along with Dragon's Stomp and/or Meteor Shower and the effect is pretty awesome as well. The key with any skill that makes them flee is to use a skill that knocks them down first or keeps them down.
The Great Al
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Originally Posted by Athenia
I've been trying the following builds on the first two factions mission and for the hell of it tried it on Ring of Fire and it worked really, really well. Provided of course we had two tanks, two monks, one necro (battery), a ranger and a mesmer (or similar combo) in our group.
Aura of Restoration
Fire Attunement
Breath of Fire
Rodgot's Invocation
Meteor Shower
Glyph of Energy
Dragon's Stomp
Attributes:
Earth: 7 (6+1)
Fire: 16 (12+1+3)
Energy: 12 (11+1)
When the tanks are bodly blocking a huge mob, I hit Rodgot's Invocations, Glyph of Energy, Dragon's Stomp, Breath of Fire and that usually kills off a few signification enemies. And if there are still a few enemies where the tanks are I hit Glyph of Energy again and Meteor Shower them. I've also tried the order Glyph, Meteor Shower, Breath of Fire and that takes them out really well.
I would never use Breath of Fire on a sole enemy unless its a boss and its being body blocked by tanks. But otherwise its pretty handy at doing repeat damage. Breath of Fire is also great when all the caster around me are being mass attacked in an ambush cause the AoE of it makes the enemies flee.
I've also tried Bed of Coal along with Dragon's Stomp and/or Meteor Shower and the effect is pretty awesome as well. The key with any skill that makes them flee is to use a skill that knocks them down first or keeps them down. This sounds like a great idea as well, after my finals (tomorrow) I'm going to try out these and post the results. What was your 8th skill?
Aura of Restoration
Fire Attunement
Breath of Fire
Rodgot's Invocation
Meteor Shower
Glyph of Energy
Dragon's Stomp
Attributes:
Earth: 7 (6+1)
Fire: 16 (12+1+3)
Energy: 12 (11+1)
When the tanks are bodly blocking a huge mob, I hit Rodgot's Invocations, Glyph of Energy, Dragon's Stomp, Breath of Fire and that usually kills off a few signification enemies. And if there are still a few enemies where the tanks are I hit Glyph of Energy again and Meteor Shower them. I've also tried the order Glyph, Meteor Shower, Breath of Fire and that takes them out really well.
I would never use Breath of Fire on a sole enemy unless its a boss and its being body blocked by tanks. But otherwise its pretty handy at doing repeat damage. Breath of Fire is also great when all the caster around me are being mass attacked in an ambush cause the AoE of it makes the enemies flee.
I've also tried Bed of Coal along with Dragon's Stomp and/or Meteor Shower and the effect is pretty awesome as well. The key with any skill that makes them flee is to use a skill that knocks them down first or keeps them down. This sounds like a great idea as well, after my finals (tomorrow) I'm going to try out these and post the results. What was your 8th skill?
Athenia
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Originally Posted by The Great Al
This sounds like a great idea as well, after my finals (tomorrow) I'm going to try out these and post the results. What was your 8th skill?
Like any good player, Rez Sig.
tuperwho
I don't have all the skills I want yet, but I subbed in some others for the time being, and I took my build to RA. So much fun against warriors:
Warrior approaches - "me smash squishy"
I cast bed of coals
Warrior - "me too 1337 to be killed by little fire damage"
Then I hit double dragon and whirlwind before they're aware. Immediately followed by aftershock and Tenai's crysals = dead warrior Basically, capitolizing on lack of organization and skill recognition in RA, you can pretty frequently tear through anyone who wants to come at you, or who won't run when you get next to them.
Still need more skills before I can solo with it though (and those last 2 levels to get me up to 20). The sad news was that it's not possible to cast bed of coals, then double dragon, and get off whirlwind before they start to run. Still hoping my plan with meteor shower will work, though.
Warrior approaches - "me smash squishy"
I cast bed of coals
Warrior - "me too 1337 to be killed by little fire damage"
Then I hit double dragon and whirlwind before they're aware. Immediately followed by aftershock and Tenai's crysals = dead warrior
Basically, capitolizing on lack of organization and skill recognition in RA, you can pretty frequently tear through anyone who wants to come at you, or who won't run when you get next to them. Still need more skills before I can solo with it though (and those last 2 levels to get me up to 20). The sad news was that it's not possible to cast bed of coals, then double dragon, and get off whirlwind before they start to run. Still hoping my plan with meteor shower will work, though.
SagetheRage
How about War secondary.
Can do Bed of Coals + None Shall Pass! combo and throw in an Aftershock if you wanna stay Fire/Earth.
Can do Bed of Coals + None Shall Pass! combo and throw in an Aftershock if you wanna stay Fire/Earth.
Francis Crawford
If you cast Whirlwind/Aftershock, and they're running, would a Flameburst still hit them?
LightningHell
Don't think so.
Francis Crawford
Going back to the original build, I don't see why Breath of Fire would be on a skill bar ahead of Fireball, and I don't see why Dragon's Stomp/Earthquake would be on a fire skillbar at all.
The Great Al
i'd use meteor shower over one of those, if i needed the knockdown
Maria The Princess
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Originally Posted by tuperwho
I've been dying to recreate my PBAoE nuker ever since I deleted him just after the AoE nerf. I definitely think it's possible, just needs to be very precise. The main point is you have to get all the damage to hit at the same time, or the AI will scatter after the second AoE hit. So, we accomplish this by stacking effect times and using a knockdown to hold them where they can't run away. Earth and fire is definitely the way to go so you get damage and defense. I have a build worked out somewhere, but can't find the card right now. But basically, it's high earth, fire, and enregy storage with skills picked for fast cast times, and damage per energy cost. After concidering a bunch of knockdowns, I went with meteor shower. Yes, it's costly, but the key is that it doesn't hit untill 3 seconds after you finish casting it... thus allowing you to cast other stuff that will hit at the same time. So, skills, in order:
fire attunement - cast before fight, and let energy regen to max
Kinetic Armor - right before you go into the fight
meteor shower
bed of coals
double dragon
aftershock
crystal wave/Tenai's Crystals
inferno
Haven't gotten to try it yet, but in theory, this would be a solo farming build too. Just barely enough survivability, but you only have to make it a few seconds, and they're all dead. The way it plays out is you finish meteor shower and the aftercast and cast bed of coals. The AoE AI won't trigger until the second hit of bed of coals, which will come just barely before the meteor shower KD. So, after meteor shower and aftercast, bed of coals and aftercast, you will be in the process of casting double dragon as the KD hits, making the end of it's aftercast just in time to hit aftershock while they're still knocked down. As they stand up, they'll freak and try to run, but you get crystal wave off before they've gotten far. Now, I doubt you can get inferno off too, unless you wait for them to settle and return... not good. So perhaps add armor of earth (since you aren't concerned with running anyway - you want them near you) or aura of restoration.
Haven't gotten far enough to try it yet, but my previous use of AoE nuking says it should work.... if anyone wants to try it out, let me know how it goes
Edit: or maybe trade flame burst for inferno, for the extra range of "nearby" instead of "adjacent" this is nice but i like flame burst instead of inferno. the damage is few pts less, but recharges MUCH faster, so if some anoing fow is not finished i can keep sppaming it to finish him off and not be stuk with a bunch of recharging skills. i always use it for myt 55 builds
fire attunement - cast before fight, and let energy regen to max
Kinetic Armor - right before you go into the fight
meteor shower
bed of coals
double dragon
aftershock
crystal wave/Tenai's Crystals
inferno
Haven't gotten to try it yet, but in theory, this would be a solo farming build too. Just barely enough survivability, but you only have to make it a few seconds, and they're all dead. The way it plays out is you finish meteor shower and the aftercast and cast bed of coals. The AoE AI won't trigger until the second hit of bed of coals, which will come just barely before the meteor shower KD. So, after meteor shower and aftercast, bed of coals and aftercast, you will be in the process of casting double dragon as the KD hits, making the end of it's aftercast just in time to hit aftershock while they're still knocked down. As they stand up, they'll freak and try to run, but you get crystal wave off before they've gotten far. Now, I doubt you can get inferno off too, unless you wait for them to settle and return... not good. So perhaps add armor of earth (since you aren't concerned with running anyway - you want them near you) or aura of restoration.
Haven't gotten far enough to try it yet, but my previous use of AoE nuking says it should work.... if anyone wants to try it out, let me know how it goes
Edit: or maybe trade flame burst for inferno, for the extra range of "nearby" instead of "adjacent" this is nice but i like flame burst instead of inferno. the damage is few pts less, but recharges MUCH faster, so if some anoing fow is not finished i can keep sppaming it to finish him off and not be stuk with a bunch of recharging skills. i always use it for myt 55 builds