http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?i...plained5my.swf
I made a short flash movie to visually illustrate the merging of a Prophecies and Factions account, since theres so many threads and confusion going on.
Lyra's Animated Guide to Fuzzy Guild Wars Math
lyra_song
calamitykell
Haha, nice!
It really sounded simple from the start, but the amount of confusion about it is mind-blowing. Nice idea to create a video demonstration.
It really sounded simple from the start, but the amount of confusion about it is mind-blowing. Nice idea to create a video demonstration.
RTSFirebat
Simple and easy, and if people still don't get it after seeing that... well then no hope.
If you have both chapters, you get two bonus slots...
This flash should be posted on GWG front end for easier viewing.
If you have both chapters, you get two bonus slots...
This flash should be posted on GWG front end for easier viewing.
Sirkaze
So with a merged account our old charr's can do the chapter 2 as well? cool
RTSFirebat
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So with a merged account our old charr's can do the chapter 2 as well? cool
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I'm not sure if new prefessions will be able to do quests in chapter 1, but most likely they will be able to.
lyra_song
I dont know if the Sin/Rit can travel to Tyria, so none of my icons showed non-core classes.
striderkaaru
if you have a merged account, they can. it was revealed by anet that any character made in tyria can travel to cantha, and any new characters made in cantha can travel back to tyria.
anyway, great guide. i still don't understand how people can't seem to grasp the concept.
anyway, great guide. i still don't understand how people can't seem to grasp the concept.
frickett
Yep 4+4=6 this proves it.
Killmur
Heh. This account merging might seem cool and all but what is this I hear about needing to delete a character if all 4 slots are taken? That is my major concern right there. Anyways thanx for a great job on showing us in a simplified manner how the accounts get merged.
Mordakai
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Heh. This account merging might seem cool and all but what is this I hear about needing to delete a character if all 4 slots are taken? That is my major concern right there. Anyways thanx for a great job on showing us in a simplified manner how the accounts get merged.
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I would just play one of your level 20 chars in Cantha.
Diablo???
I still don't get it....
lol, just kidding
lol, just kidding
AeroLion
No offense, but it's not that people don't understand the marketing concept/Anet's decision of the whole 4+4=6 thing, it's that they don't agree with it and think it's BS.
So I'm not really sure who this is aimed at and how it makes a difference.
So I'm not really sure who this is aimed at and how it makes a difference.
lyra_song
When you merge accounts, you are NOT ADDING new slots. You are adding new CONTENT.
Think of it as paying for content. Forget that it can be a seperate game, if you intend to merge it.
$30 (typical price of an expansion pack) + $20 ($10 per additional slot) = $50 Game.
People assumed that because its a standalone game with 4 slots, that merging would keep those 4 slots as additional. But think about it. You already used up those 4 slots with your existing 4 characters.
Think of it as paying for content. Forget that it can be a seperate game, if you intend to merge it.
$30 (typical price of an expansion pack) + $20 ($10 per additional slot) = $50 Game.
People assumed that because its a standalone game with 4 slots, that merging would keep those 4 slots as additional. But think about it. You already used up those 4 slots with your existing 4 characters.
AeroLion
Um, no. This doesn't say anything new to people at all. This argument has been going on as long as Factions has been announced. All I see is that you're trying to reinforce the view of those that are happy with the arrangement. You don't visually or graphicaly dispute any argument at all.
The main problem with your argument is that you only include things like EAs and missions in your definition of "content." Your opposition would define content to include character classes, since the gaming experience is so completely different when using a different primary proffession. Therefore, to them slots are content which can't be written off. Until you address this difference in definition of the word "content" you will make no further progress in the argument. Of course, I highly doubt either side will be willing to give up ground on that point.
Rehashing your side's view of the argument does nothing to further an understanding between the two sides. You have to try understanding why they think what they do before you can try to dissuade them.
EDIT: BTW, you adressed exactly none of my points. Who, exactly, are you trying to persuade?
The main problem with your argument is that you only include things like EAs and missions in your definition of "content." Your opposition would define content to include character classes, since the gaming experience is so completely different when using a different primary proffession. Therefore, to them slots are content which can't be written off. Until you address this difference in definition of the word "content" you will make no further progress in the argument. Of course, I highly doubt either side will be willing to give up ground on that point.
Rehashing your side's view of the argument does nothing to further an understanding between the two sides. You have to try understanding why they think what they do before you can try to dissuade them.
EDIT: BTW, you adressed exactly none of my points. Who, exactly, are you trying to persuade?
lyra_song
This is merely a visual representation of Anet's concept of 6 x 100% VS 8 x 50%. Im trying to explain how it works in the simplest form possible (as far as i understand the logic behind it), because some people are still confused. I'm trying to clear up the confusion. I'm not trying to convince ANYONE that its right move on Anet's part.
This is an informative thread about how it works. If you want to argue about it, bring it to the Riverside/Factions and Events forum, thank you.
This is an informative thread about how it works. If you want to argue about it, bring it to the Riverside/Factions and Events forum, thank you.
AeroLion
The people that are arguing about "only 2 extra slots" understand fully where Anet is coming from. Your flash movie is a visual representation of Anet's position. The controversy that is occuring is not because people fail to understand what going but because they simply do not agree with it and think Anet's reasoning is fundamentally flawed.
I don't think you're intentionally pushing an opinion, but due to the nature of the other threads in the Community Works, anything posted here will be viewed as an absolute truth. This, in turn, implies that ANet's move was the right one, whether that was your intention or not. I feel like this is more of a marketing tool than a guide to anything.
I don't think you're intentionally pushing an opinion, but due to the nature of the other threads in the Community Works, anything posted here will be viewed as an absolute truth. This, in turn, implies that ANet's move was the right one, whether that was your intention or not. I feel like this is more of a marketing tool than a guide to anything.
EternalTempest
lyra_song - Awesome Flash Animation, great job
It accurately describes how anet is doing it and it's great guide and there still people who don't understand how anet is going ahead with Factions.
Also for all those new players who buy c2, and go cool, I want to get c1, how does it work this sums it up perfectly. There will be a LOT of new player new to the game.
Again this shows how anet implemented a mergre. How you feel about situation - please see Riverside or the Factions Forums. This thread was green light by a Mod(s), all community works threads are.
It accurately describes how anet is doing it and it's great guide and there still people who don't understand how anet is going ahead with Factions.
Also for all those new players who buy c2, and go cool, I want to get c1, how does it work this sums it up perfectly. There will be a LOT of new player new to the game.
Again this shows how anet implemented a mergre. How you feel about situation - please see Riverside or the Factions Forums. This thread was green light by a Mod(s), all community works threads are.
Killmur
Now I am utterly confused here. I had read something somewhere that said there must be one slot open before upgrading the main account with the CD Key from Factions. If this true then that means I must nuke one character from my main account so I can have the extra 2 slots. Lyra's little guide may have cleared up the 4+4=6 but it never explained whether or not if there should be a open slot before the upgrade. I just need clearification before I delete my newest character.
EternalTempest
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Now I am utterly confused here. I had read something somewhere that said there must be one slot open before upgrading the main account with the CD Key from Factions. If this true then that means I must nuke one character from my main account so I can have the extra 2 slots. Lyra's little guide may have cleared up the 4+4=6 but it never explained whether or not if there should be a open slot before the upgrade. I just need clearification before I delete my newest character.
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When you add the retail factions key to your account, it give you 2 more slot, no deletion required.
The delete a character to do faction most likely came from the recent preview event. Where you could be in it with you account, but if you had all your slots filled you had to delete one to create a new character in the PvE Preview event or create a sperate account completely (and not get the benfits of the unlocks on your main account).
Killmur
Ah! Many thanks for the clarification! *Gives EternalTempest a boxful of cookies!*
frickett
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People assumed that because its a standalone game with 4 slots, that merging would keep those 4 slots as additional. But think about it. You already used up those 4 slots with your existing 4 characters.
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Awesome Nuke
Its an expansion if you merge. You already played the game you're adding an expansion to.
frickett
Uh, no. It can't be a stand alone for some customers and an expansion for others. It is the same price for everyone.
Sirkaze
I like the whole idea of of this merge lol, no more worry's about leveling or wasting my ecto's :P for my ele
lyra_song
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Originally Posted by frickett
Uh, no. It can't be a stand alone for some customers and an expansion for others. It is the same price for everyone.
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See the animation for Type 2: Factions only.
If you do not understand the concept, please stay on this thread.
If you understand it, but want to argue about it, this isnt the proper thread. You can argue here:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3003286
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3001816
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3002920
calamitykell
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Uh, no. It can't be a stand alone for some customers and an expansion for others. It is the same price for everyone.
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Fungus Amongus
Nice job on the animation, Lyra. I understood it well berfore I saw this, but It'll hopefully clarify things for others.
I like the idea of 6x100% rather than 8X50%.
Unfortunately for me I am liking the idea of 12X100% even more. But since I want to have more available combinations, 2 additional slots won't be enough for me. Looks like I'll be buying one more prophecies account and 2 Factions accounts.
I like the idea of 6x100% rather than 8X50%.
Unfortunately for me I am liking the idea of 12X100% even more. But since I want to have more available combinations, 2 additional slots won't be enough for me. Looks like I'll be buying one more prophecies account and 2 Factions accounts.
Senator Tom
people didnt understand this?
nice animation though
nice animation though
Seissor
HAH HAH :-P That was awesome. I'll refer anyone who's still "befuzzled" to this.
Alcazanar
you made a simple movie and it IS simple
too bad not many get it
too bad not many get it
frickett
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And you can't have a "MMO"RPG up 24/7 without charging a monthly fee, right?
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That doesnt explain why i should see my linked factions account (which will cost the same as a stand alone) as an expansion when it only nets me 2 slots.
gragman
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That doesnt explain why i should see my linked factions account (which will cost the same as a stand alone) as an expansion when it only nets me 2 slots.
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GW:Prophecies takes place in (currently) 1/2 of the Guild Wars world.
GW:Factions takes place in (currently) 1/2 of the Guild Wars world.
If you have a stand-alone Prophecies account you have 4 slots to use for the 6 professions that can experience 1/2 of the total content.
If you have a stand-alone Factions account you have 4 slots to use for the 8 professions that can experience 1/2 of the total content.
Now the real killer - if you merge your accounts you have 6 slots for 8 professions to experience 100% of the content.
The question I asked myself was; do I want to keep my current characters stuck in Tyria, where I have already experienced all that the game has to offer, and have my new characters limited only to Cantha?
Or would I prefer to take my cherished lvl 20's on a nice cruise over the water to slaughter some different creatures, on different maps, with different team-mates, professions, rewards, armour, weapons etc. And at the same time allow my new character classes to travel back to Tyria to experience the missions/quests/areas that I know well, to prolong the playability of the game?
The other argument that I could put forward is that when you purchased your GW:Prophecies account, you received 4 slots for 6 professions - you had to choose which 4 of the 6 primaries to use, and yet you still bought it and probably never even thought about not having enough slots to role all primaries. Why then should you expect to get 8 slots for 8 professions with the Factions account?
Just my 2cents
frickett
I totally understand what you are saying gragman. I want to take my Ranger into Cantha to get a new pet. I will be linking my accounts. I understand that My three current level 20 characters will be able to cross the seas, and experience a brand new continent. But I only get to make 2 Canthan characters if i still want to keep a pvp slot open.
Everyone keeps saying that if i have Prophesies, I have 4 slots with access to 50% of guild wars. and if i have Factions, seperately I have 4 slots with access to 50% of guild wars, However if i have a linked account I have those 4 slots with access to 100% of guild wars, and a bonus 2 slots. Well that is all fine, and good and well, but those 4 slots from factions are empty now, When I link my account those factions slots are "merged" with my current slots.
I understand that you are trying to rationalize the fuzzy math, but linking still nets us 2 fewer slots. That is fine, I have come to terms with that, I will be buying factions, and linking. I planned to from the beginning.
Thanks for being patient with me.
Everyone keeps saying that if i have Prophesies, I have 4 slots with access to 50% of guild wars. and if i have Factions, seperately I have 4 slots with access to 50% of guild wars, However if i have a linked account I have those 4 slots with access to 100% of guild wars, and a bonus 2 slots. Well that is all fine, and good and well, but those 4 slots from factions are empty now, When I link my account those factions slots are "merged" with my current slots.
I understand that you are trying to rationalize the fuzzy math, but linking still nets us 2 fewer slots. That is fine, I have come to terms with that, I will be buying factions, and linking. I planned to from the beginning.
Thanks for being patient with me.
nomed
it's nowhere fuzzy, it's just narrowminded people not understanding it.
frickett
Sorry, I didn't mean to seem narrowminded. I am not in the least, I have a very open mind.
EternalTempest
This threed is a link to a nice graphic view on how accounts are handled.
Not if it's right or not.. please see other threads for discussion lyra_song keep pointing out and I still find people that don't understand how merge vs non-merge works (independent on how they feel about the situation).
Not if it's right or not.. please see other threads for discussion lyra_song keep pointing out and I still find people that don't understand how merge vs non-merge works (independent on how they feel about the situation).
Tur713
Just as a side note,everyone should be glad that they got 2 extra slots. Anet was planning on only giving one originally.
Eviance
cute!
Valerria
How much more does it cost for ANet to just give the mergered accounts the full 8 slots? Apparently too much...
6 slots is enough for me, though I question the justification they made from a business perspective.
6 slots is enough for me, though I question the justification they made from a business perspective.
frickett
They get 20 dollars for us to get the other 2 slots.