**shoulda called this SOLUTIONS TO SLOT LIMIT WITHOUT CHANGING CURRENT LIMIT
Let's keep the math out of this thread.
Thought this deserved a thread. Instead of complaining about the slot limitations let's come up with some possible solutions to it and hope ANET takes note.
Well if they aren't going to give us more slots than 2 give us the function to be able to change primary classes so I can experience the whole PvE experience with every class. Instead of building a character up and deleting to experience other builds. Just being able to change your 2ndary isn't helpful enough to experiencing the whole game. Especially when we have to keep one slot vacant for building whatever PvP guy we might need at the time. Anyway, that's my simple solution, keep the original plan at gaining 2 slots with the merge but let us change our primaries. Then we will have to be hoarding several suits of armor around for each time we change our primary.... Even this will throw a loop in the game. But as a PvE AND PvP player I would like to play every PRIMARY class thru whole game without deleting a character everytime I get to the end to start another.
Just came up with a brainstrom. Why not let us get better results from salvaging our armor. That's the heartbreaker when you nuke a character to try another class. Spending 20-30k on runes and building materials only to sell everything off to try new character and not re-couping anything (MAYBE get a rune back). They are catering to the peeps that have unlimited money that buy it on E-bay. Let's see something to help out the honest worker that wants to experience the whole game. I lost a character on this Factions preview because I wanted to be able to experience the skills I had unlocked in the PvP weekend. I swallowed hard and deleted a character I had spent over 20k to build up to get thru the game.
Solutions to Slot Limit
Tombstone
Justafyme
It's an "interesting" idea..but I'm not sure how it would work...are you saying that you would be able to take your main char (for example a mo/me who has finished the game..ascended etc) and that you could swap his/her primary..and suddenly be a N/me (who is ascended and an instant lvl 20?) I don't know if that's a good idea...would you know how to play the class properly?...there wouldn't be much of a learning curve...besdies...if I could swap primaries why would I bother to ever have another character after that point?...I wouldn't need to ever make one...
Tombstone
Well I was ranting and raving when I was on the 1st paragraph and realized that wouldn't work. But I believe that in the 2nd paragraph I made a much better suggestion.
Only problem I have with the slot limit is deleting a character and losing everything it took to supply him. I would never consider deleting one of my characters I have Citadel armor on. What about all those that spent 8k for black dye and armor and supplies? They want to try another class and have to make a slot and when they salvage everything and sell everything back runes, crafting materials, etc they lose EVERYTHING. Some over 100k on one character. So if they only made a better way to get some of that stuff back. Give us better salvage returns, get dyes and components and runes back or be able to sell armor to merchant.
Only problem I have with the slot limit is deleting a character and losing everything it took to supply him. I would never consider deleting one of my characters I have Citadel armor on. What about all those that spent 8k for black dye and armor and supplies? They want to try another class and have to make a slot and when they salvage everything and sell everything back runes, crafting materials, etc they lose EVERYTHING. Some over 100k on one character. So if they only made a better way to get some of that stuff back. Give us better salvage returns, get dyes and components and runes back or be able to sell armor to merchant.
Hella Good
Or... they can just start selling them. Like they can sell codes for extra slots. You enter the key on your acct and you get the slots. I'm sure there will be a market for it... They can also sell codes for items, whatever.
Tombstone
Let's hear some good solutions. Seems PvE players are affected ALOT more than PvP players with this slot limitation. Most PvP'rs have unlocked all the skills with faction points where I enjoy unlocking thru PvE and saving my faction for the hard to find items.
Justafyme
I'm not really sure where to go with it. If you make it so you get more from your salavaged items..that could be a good idea..but you're still gonna end up losing a lot of time..effort and materials. As for the pve/pvp..I don't really know about that one as I am a pve only person. But, from my understanding of it pvp chars are "disposable" mostly..they roll and reroll them to suit the current need of the team. Are you suggesting that a pve char should be just as "disposable" as a pvp char?...that would kind of defeat the purpose of pve/story etc...wouldn't it? I can't think of a soultion to the slot issue...really I can't I've tried...trust me. The only solution I have and have had for a long while now has already been mentioned. The ability to purchase individual extra slots. Sure you could always get a second account...but that's a major pain in the arse...trust me....due to the fact that you now have to unlock on 2 accounts. It would be mighty awesome if Anet allowed you to merge your 2 copies..I guess that could count as an idea...though probably won't go over well....mind you the merging of 2 accounts would give me all my chars in one space...but now I've screwed myself out of my 2nd storage bin...(which was part of the reason why the hubby and I got the 2nd account to begin with) hehehehe.
Cymmina
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Why not let us get better results from salvaging our armor. That's the heartbreaker when you nuke a character to try another class. Spending 20-30k on runes and building materials only to sell everything off to try new character and not re-couping anything (MAYBE get a rune back).
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Tombstone
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Are you suggesting that a pve char should be just as "disposable" as a pvp char?...that would kind of defeat the purpose of pve/story etc...wouldn't it?
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Mandy Memory
Anet is giving you 8 more slots (technically) when you merge for a total of 12 slots. (assuming a slot is a possible playthrough of the game without deleting)
4 slots with access to prophecies.
same 4 slots have access to factions.
2 bonus slots with access to prophecies
same 2 bonus slots with access to factions
thats 12 slots.
Therefore there is no problem...so there are no solutions to come up with.
4 slots with access to prophecies.
same 4 slots have access to factions.
2 bonus slots with access to prophecies
same 2 bonus slots with access to factions
thats 12 slots.
Therefore there is no problem...so there are no solutions to come up with.
lyra_song
I dont mind paying $20 more for more playable slots.
Tombstone
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You are already getting 2 bonus slots on top of the 8. Therefore there is no problem...so there are no solutions to come up with.
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**-Two additional character slot for Factions release (confirmed.)
Gaile Gray: Consider GW one game, and Factions the other, as they are. Consider them both halves of a great whole. If you have GW, you have GW content only, and 4 slots. If you have Factions, you have Factions content only. If you have both, linked, you have 6 slots, with access for all_6_slots to BOTH games. You can keep them seperate, but linking is better, because you have 6 with twice the content. As opposted to four with 1/2 the content each. If it makes sense to you, thank you. I have to admit, I took 10 minutes of Mike O'Brien's time to learn it. I didn't understand the 6 x 100% is greater than 4 x 50%, you see?***
Mandy Memory
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Since you apparently aren't aware I took this from sticky 4 you.
**-Two additional character slot for Factions release (confirmed.) Gaile Gray: Consider GW one game, and Factions the other, as they are. Consider them both halves of a great whole. If you have GW, you have GW content only, and 4 slots. If you have Factions, you have Factions content only. If you have both, linked, you have 6 slots, with access for all_6_slots to BOTH games. You can keep them seperate, but linking is better, because you have 6 with twice the content. As opposted to four with 1/2 the content each. If it makes sense to you, thank you. I have to admit, I took 10 minutes of Mike O'Brien's time to learn it. I didn't understand the 6 x 100% is greater than 4 x 50%, you see?*** |
But still...With everyone so mad...i guess buying extra slots (or allowing an extra factions merge for 4 extra factions slots and an extra prophecies for 4 extra prophecies slots [or both for 4 extra good slots]) would be a good idea and a way to make more money.
I guess I messed up the other solution already in place. Buy 2 copies
anonymous
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Anet is giving you 8 more slots (technically) when you merge for a total of 12 slots. (assuming a slot is a possible playthrough of the game without deleting)
4 slots with access to prophecies. same 4 slots have access to factions. 2 bonus slots with access to prophecies same 2 bonus slots with access to factions thats 12 slots. Therefore there is no problem...so there are no solutions to come up with. |
hidden_agenda
actually, i've a better idea...
how about if they'll just enable us to link together as many accounts as we have keys?
i.e.
if n = number of Prophesy keys you have
m = number of Faction keys you have
Linking them all together will get you
# character slots = 4n + 2m
I would settle for that even if the entire account only has 16 Xunlai storage slots.
how about if they'll just enable us to link together as many accounts as we have keys?
i.e.
if n = number of Prophesy keys you have
m = number of Faction keys you have
Linking them all together will get you
# character slots = 4n + 2m
I would settle for that even if the entire account only has 16 Xunlai storage slots.
Justafyme
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actually, i've a better idea...
how about if they'll just enable us to link together as many accounts as we have keys? i.e. if n = number of Prophesy keys you have m = number of Faction keys you have Linking them all together will get you # character slots = 4n + 2m |
SoloMio
I agree with that 
however I'm sure that ArenaNet is probably hoping that everyone buys a second copy of each chapter if they want more character slots.
I would love it if I could simply merge my two prophecies accounts together and just buy one copy of factions, thus giving me 4+2+2 slots. I can deal with losing two characters for the interim.
With the next chapter, we'll have another two slots anyhow.
Joe
however I'm sure that ArenaNet is probably hoping that everyone buys a second copy of each chapter if they want more character slots.I would love it if I could simply merge my two prophecies accounts together and just buy one copy of factions, thus giving me 4+2+2 slots. I can deal with losing two characters for the interim.
With the next chapter, we'll have another two slots anyhow.
Joe
damocles
If you want to have all primary class, why don't you buy another set of GW?
Leddy
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Anet is giving you 8 more slots (technically) when you merge for a total of 12 slots. (assuming a slot is a possible playthrough of the game without deleting)
4 slots with access to prophecies. same 4 slots have access to factions. 2 bonus slots with access to prophecies same 2 bonus slots with access to factions thats 12 slots. Therefore there is no problem...so there are no solutions to come up with. |
devils wraths
hmmm i see what your saying but i know alot of games where you carnt use all the types of people. i dont think its a big deal really. not sure if you have played this one baldurs gate you couldnt use all chars. the game is meant to be a challenge and if u have all the chars i dont think it is. but hey thats my opion doesnt mean they carnt do it though.
Justafyme
We already mentioned the 2nd account purchase option (which I myself have done)....though the problem with that (as I mentioned above) is that now you have to unlock every rune and skill on 2x the accounts...it becomes quite time consuming...not to mention the fact that unless you reg edit you can't run 2 copies at the same time, unless you are using more than 1 computer. So assuming you don't reg edit (to allow for both copies to run at the same time on the same computer)and only have 1 computer... you may have a weapon or a rune that would be perfect for one of your chars only they happen to be on your other copy of gw.. you could go the friend route...but I don't know about that...could get ugly. Yes there are options..yes a 2nd account is one of those options but it's a pain....both my husband and I play a fair ammount...and spliting 4 chars between the 2 of us was a headache...hence the 2nd account. The suggestion was to be able to merge multiple copies of the same game together to make it easier. OR just give us the option of adding more characters (at a cost ..hell I dont care if they are $20 each) just let me have them all in one place..all neat and tidy.
Other than those 2 ideas I can't think of any.
And yes, before anybody says it...maybe anet doesn't want to make it easier and give us the ability to have 2x the chars on one account and that all the time and effort is the price you must pay for having multiple copies of the game.
Other than those 2 ideas I can't think of any.
And yes, before anybody says it...maybe anet doesn't want to make it easier and give us the ability to have 2x the chars on one account and that all the time and effort is the price you must pay for having multiple copies of the game.
Mordakai
Some simple suggestions I've seen from other threads and liked:
1. No PvP slot. At main menu, there should be a choice to go to a PvP screen or your PvE characters. The PvP screen will allow you to store custom templates (PvP characters). This will free up your PvP slot.
2. Give bonus slots for collector editions. Duh. This way, Anet still controls how many slots they give out, but people who want to spend $20 on a slot, can do so.
People who've read my other posts might think I'm against extra slots... that's just not true. I would love to have more slots... right now, I've already "filled" up my two extra slots from Factions with characters I want, and still would like more.
1. No PvP slot. At main menu, there should be a choice to go to a PvP screen or your PvE characters. The PvP screen will allow you to store custom templates (PvP characters). This will free up your PvP slot.
2. Give bonus slots for collector editions. Duh. This way, Anet still controls how many slots they give out, but people who want to spend $20 on a slot, can do so.
People who've read my other posts might think I'm against extra slots... that's just not true. I would love to have more slots... right now, I've already "filled" up my two extra slots from Factions with characters I want, and still would like more.
hobbitshd
ok, now i am confused.
i have a gwproph account with:
3 lvl 20 char
1 pvp char
i will have one gw fact account with (example)
3 lvl 20 char
1 pvp char
ok...
1. i link the accounts. i have these 8 slots that can access everything PLUS the 2 extra slots????
OR
2. as posted a couple posts above...do i only have 6 slots that can access everything?
is it possible that i lose 2 slots for the access to both chapters?
OR
3. just the 8 slots that access both chapters?
i keep reading about 6 slots, nobody is mentioning the 8 they purchased and if you do get 4 each, only the 2 bonus slots can access both chapters?
i have a gwproph account with:
3 lvl 20 char
1 pvp char
i will have one gw fact account with (example)
3 lvl 20 char
1 pvp char
ok...
1. i link the accounts. i have these 8 slots that can access everything PLUS the 2 extra slots????
OR
2. as posted a couple posts above...do i only have 6 slots that can access everything?
is it possible that i lose 2 slots for the access to both chapters?
OR
3. just the 8 slots that access both chapters?
i keep reading about 6 slots, nobody is mentioning the 8 they purchased and if you do get 4 each, only the 2 bonus slots can access both chapters?
Rayne Nightfyre
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...Why not let us get better results from salvaging our armor...
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N8DOGG
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ok, now i am confused.
i have a gwproph account with: 3 lvl 20 char 1 pvp char i will have one gw fact account with (example) 3 lvl 20 char 1 pvp char ok... 1. i link the accounts. i have these 8 slots that can access everything PLUS the 2 extra slots???? OR 2. as posted a couple posts above...do i only have 6 slots that can access everything? is it possible that i lose 2 slots for the access to both chapters? OR 3. just the 8 slots that access both chapters? i keep reading about 6 slots, nobody is mentioning the 8 they purchased and if you do get 4 each, only the 2 bonus slots can access both chapters? |
OK if you Keep the two Games apart and treat them like 2 different games you will be able to have 4 slots for each.........If you link them and treat Factions like an expansion you will have a TOTAL of 6 slots (old 4 plus 2 new).
wsmcasey
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Have you actually *tried* to salvage runes out of armor? When they changed the salvage rates of runes a while back (so they *always* salvage 100% of the time out of npc armor and can be salvaged out of collector armor), I was getting about an 80% success rate.
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Solution: Make more expensive kits that the merchants sell that guarantee 100% when salvaging runes from customized armor.
Mordakai
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Originally Posted by hobbitshd
i keep reading about 6 slots, nobody is mentioning the 8 they purchased and if you do get 4 each, only the 2 bonus slots can access both chapters?
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IMO, it's a false choice: Have 8 limited slots, or 6 unlimited ones. The two bonus slots don't make up for the lack of skills, choices, and expandability.
Once you decide to not merge, you will be forever trapped in one area. Those characters will become obsolete a year from now.
LadyTheif
The game seem to be made for PvP as far as slots.
one game is 4 slots and both is 6. with 6 classes in the old one and 8 in the new one.
You can't PvE all of them. Without having more then one game. But then it's more work in PvP to unlock everything and to get rank.
one game is 4 slots and both is 6. with 6 classes in the old one and 8 in the new one.
You can't PvE all of them. Without having more then one game. But then it's more work in PvP to unlock everything and to get rank.
Ristaron
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actually, i've a better idea...
how about if they'll just enable us to link together as many accounts as we have keys? i.e. if n = number of Prophesy keys you have m = number of Faction keys you have Linking them all together will get you # character slots = 4n + 2m I would settle for that even if the entire account only has 16 Xunlai storage slots. |
/signed
and /signed again so ANet really pays attention.
THIS IS A GOOD IDEA! IT WILL STOP A LOT OF BITCHING AND COMPLAINING!
LadyTheif
I think it's a good idea too. To link accounts. But what if you in to diffent guilds to actived more then one accont can you still link them?
We may never find the aswers.
We may never find the aswers.
Mordakai
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I think it's a good idea too. To link accounts. But what if you in to diffent guilds to actived more then one accont can you still link them?
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You could focus one account on Luxon, one on Kurzick.
You could have two Guilds.
Uh, I guess that's it.
Downside: two separate unlocks, trading among accounts would require two computers or running two GWs at once.
hobbitshd
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OK if you Keep the two Games apart and treat them like 2 different games you will be able to have 4 slots for each.........If you link them and treat Factions like an expansion you will have a TOTAL of 6 slots (old 4 plus 2 new).
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this is completely ridiculous!
you lose 2 slots! there is NO reason to penalize someone for owning 2 accounts!
so, i pay for 8 and combine the 2 accounts and get 6 - what a load of crap?!
am i looking at this wrong?
as far as i am concerned, i am a loyal customer. if you own a business and you have a repeat customer and they buy two sets of 4 dvd's (or whatever!) ... you only give them 6? i would assume that 2 BONUS SLOTS
WOULD BE JUST THAT, BONUS...this is a subtraction of 2 character slots when i paid for 8, i receive 6.
please tell me this is some sort of misinterpretation!?
bilbo
Griev
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Originally Posted by hobbitshd
this is completely ridiculous!
you lose 2 slots! there is NO reason to penalize someone for owning 2 accounts! so, i pay for 8 and combine the 2 accounts and get 6 - what a load of crap?! am i looking at this wrong? as far as i am concerned, i am a loyal customer. if you own a business and you have a repeat customer and they buy two sets of 4 dvd's (or whatever!) ... you only give them 6? i would assume that 2 BONUS SLOTS WOULD BE JUST THAT, BONUS...this is a subtraction of 2 character slots when i paid for 8, i receive 6. please tell me this is some sort of misinterpretation!? bilbo |
hobbitshd
do i have a valid point to think it is BS?
or do you guys/gals agree that we should be penalized in this fashion?
i am probably still gonna buy it but i am not sure if i will link accounts... kinda wait and see maybe.
what are all your plans/solutions?
bilbo
or do you guys/gals agree that we should be penalized in this fashion?
i am probably still gonna buy it but i am not sure if i will link accounts... kinda wait and see maybe.
what are all your plans/solutions?
bilbo
Jade
My simple solution to the slot limit is going to be this: Buy a second copy of guild wars and then merge it with Factions. 6 brand spankin new slots for me to enjoy. I just don't have the heart to erase wither one of my four exicsting characters. I just spent WAY too much time developing them.
Caelus The Fallen
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this is completely ridiculous!
you lose 2 slots! there is NO reason to penalize someone for owning 2 accounts! so, i pay for 8 and combine the 2 accounts and get 6 - what a load of crap?! am i looking at this wrong? as far as i am concerned, i am a loyal customer. if you own a business and you have a repeat customer and they buy two sets of 4 dvd's (or whatever!) ... you only give them 6? i would assume that 2 BONUS SLOTS WOULD BE JUST THAT, BONUS...this is a subtraction of 2 character slots when i paid for 8, i receive 6. please tell me this is some sort of misinterpretation!? bilbo |
You have 4 Propheciwes slots, you buy Factions (which also comes with 4 slots). If you keep the 2 seperate, then thats exactly what you get.
Choose to merge, and you still get your 4 prophecy slots, you still get 4 factions slots BUT each of these slots mirrors one of your prophecy guys, then you get a bonus 2 prophecies and a bonus 2 factions slot, with the same caveat in regard to character "mirrors".
ie.
Unmerged: Slot 1 (character A in proph), Slot 2 (character B in proph), Slot 3 (character C in proph), Slot 4 (character D in proph), Slot 5 (character E in factions), Slot 6 (character F in factions), Slot 7 (character G in factions), Slot 8 (character H in factions).
Merged: Slot 1 (character A in proph), Slot 2 (character B in proph), Slot 3 (character C in proph), Slot 4 (character D in proph), Slot 5 (character A in factions), Slot 6 (character B in factions), Slot 7 (character C in factions), Slot 8 (character D in factions), Slot 9 (character E in proph), Slot 10 (character F in proph), Slot 11 (character E in factions), Slot 12 (character F in factions).
In a very real sense, you dont lose 2 slots, rather you gain an extra 4; it just doesnt look like that right away because you forget you need a slot to put a character into Factions. Perhaps the only grievance is that merging means you *must* put all characters into both chapters.
jmj102
Think of it as this way, by not merging you get 8 Slots of 50% of the Game. If you do merge you get 6 slots of 100% of the game. 6 Slots = 600% is better than 8 Slots = 400%
Nevin
Yeah if changing primary was possible, whats the point of having more then 2 character slots? One for PvE and one for PvP... Not gunna happen.
Its a bad idea.
Its a bad idea.
Tombstone
I agree changing Primaries would not be a good idea. But I think they need to accomodate the PvE player a little better than they are. I hate deleting characters that I worked so hard to create. Like the PvE free weekend, if a PvE player wanted to keep what he unlocked in PvP preview you needed to use a slot. I hate to delete a character. It was heartbreaking, this game is way biased to PvP when it comes to slots.
lyra_song
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Think of Car A. The car holds only 4 people. This car can go on a trip to Tyria and Tyria only.
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Think of Car B. Its the same basic model car as A. This car holds only 4 people. This car can go on a trip to Cantha and Cantha only because it cant run on Tyrian gasoline.
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Think of Car C. Its the same basic model car as car A and B. This car holds only 4 people. This car can go to either Tyria OR Cantha because it can run on Tyrian or Canthan gasoline. Plus they reconfigured the car to hold two more people, even though its still the same basic model.
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Now if you were car shopping. Would you choose a car that can do more? Or would be happy being limited to Tyria or Cantha.
Hmn...maybe i made it more confusing.
Think of Car A. The car holds only 4 people. This car can go on a trip to Tyria and Tyria only.
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Think of Car B. Its the same basic model car as A. This car holds only 4 people. This car can go on a trip to Cantha and Cantha only because it cant run on Tyrian gasoline.
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Think of Car C. Its the same basic model car as car A and B. This car holds only 4 people. This car can go to either Tyria OR Cantha because it can run on Tyrian or Canthan gasoline. Plus they reconfigured the car to hold two more people, even though its still the same basic model.
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Now if you were car shopping. Would you choose a car that can do more? Or would be happy being limited to Tyria or Cantha.
Hmn...maybe i made it more confusing.
Theutus
or driving the car is GW and rolling down the window is Factions. By having one copy of either you can keep all your fingers, but if you want to drive the car and roll down the window you have to lose a few fingers for the complete experience. o.O or you can simply not drive and roll the window down at the same time and keep all your fingers.