What will factions do to the market
Hired Blade
If everyone is creating new characters, its got to be good for the runners. Do you think we will see a temporary price increase for Droks Runs and others? Also what effect do you guys think it will have on crafting material and dyes.
Big_Iron
Well, we've already seen the price of ectos drop. Rubies and sapphires spiked, but have since dropped back down. Only time will tell.
quickmonty
It's hard to say at this point. Will they change the crafting materials for armor before the final release? What we be the availabilty of the various materials in Cantha? I don't think we will know for sure until the release.
There will also be a new demand for runners in Cantha, and new place to farm. Will there be new greens? New places to farm ecto?
Just too many question at this point to know for sure what will happen.
There will also be a new demand for runners in Cantha, and new place to farm. Will there be new greens? New places to farm ecto?
Just too many question at this point to know for sure what will happen.
Cymboric Treewalker
I think for the first 30 days things will be calm... then we will see some people who have finished the game start to "pull" others along. In the initial wave of completions people will exploit others by buying materials that will be important -- that others do not know about. Then as more people find the "special" armors those material prices will spike for a period of four to six months. After that the prices will level out as demand wanes for the "l33t" armors.
Ashleigh McMahon
Must agree there.
In prophecies, most people done things normally for about 3-4 months.But after then people figured best run routes, shortcuts ect.
Personally it doesn't effect me if runners do what they do or not, it's a way to make money, but can spoil fun.
Ashleigh.
In prophecies, most people done things normally for about 3-4 months.But after then people figured best run routes, shortcuts ect.
Personally it doesn't effect me if runners do what they do or not, it's a way to make money, but can spoil fun.
Ashleigh.
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I think for the first 30 days things will be calm... then we will see some people who have finished the game start to "pull" others along. In the initial wave of completions people will exploit others by buying materials that will be important -- that others do not know about. Then as more people find the "special" armors those material prices will spike for a period of four to six months. After that the prices will level out as demand wanes for the "l33t" armors.
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mrbb
I think prices of items will go down as everyone will want the new golds and greens to then come back to Ascalon and show them off. As per materials, I think Cantha will likely use some of the same materials as Tyria or else we will all be running out of storage.
I think it will be harder for the "first wave" to scam the "laggards" coming from Tyria because of websites like this and guildwiki... information will travel very fast as there are always people who cannot keep a secret.
I think it will be harder for the "first wave" to scam the "laggards" coming from Tyria because of websites like this and guildwiki... information will travel very fast as there are always people who cannot keep a secret.
Thallandor
Black dyes have peaked recently from 7k to 8.5k after the preview, i am sure many players see themselve in the new armour from Cantha in black 
Personally i will be collecting all the common crafting materials like Tanned hides, steel and iron for my Factions armour since i dont plan to mess around too long for armour but things like common crafting materials will be expected to rise for the first month or so on relase of Cantha like GWP when everyone was trying to get materials for decent armour.
seran
Personally i will be collecting all the common crafting materials like Tanned hides, steel and iron for my Factions armour since i dont plan to mess around too long for armour but things like common crafting materials will be expected to rise for the first month or so on relase of Cantha like GWP when everyone was trying to get materials for decent armour.seran
DakAtak
I actually think the prices of some greens will go up. The massive hoards of people farming SF and Tombs will soon be in Cantha, thus supply drops and prices rise. Of course, you could argue demand will drop also but that depends on whether Cantha offers viable alternatives to the current popular greens. Should be interesting!
Tsunami Rain
don't.....get me started....these topics make me write 10 page reports...
In Short:
I'm pretty sure that the prices for ecto will continue to drop because everyone will want factions armor which most likely won't require ecto. If rubies and sapphires are useful in factions as ANet has released, prices will rise (buy now). Dyes are becomming less and less valuble (which is a good thing since I don't see why it should cost so much just to chage the color of your clothing).
As for running, More people will be wanting runs and power leveling for their new characters (in prophecies) because running won't be entirely avaliable in canthra (this assumes that you have to be ascended to travel to canthra). So in other words, get your characters ascended/ran NOW before prices are raised.
As for weapon and shields: Stock up on -50 cesta's, Fiery Flame Spitters, carapace shields, HoD weapons if possible. New weapons will be avaliable in Factions and over time weapons will be nerfed. And when that happens, you can sell off those weapons that you have been holding on to.
If you see some new collectors items that are overpowered or could be of use to a certain build (55ing, etc) in canthra I would also suggest you stock up on those as well.
well..there I go again...I'm gonna stop here before I start writing a whole report on things.
In Short:
I'm pretty sure that the prices for ecto will continue to drop because everyone will want factions armor which most likely won't require ecto. If rubies and sapphires are useful in factions as ANet has released, prices will rise (buy now). Dyes are becomming less and less valuble (which is a good thing since I don't see why it should cost so much just to chage the color of your clothing).
As for running, More people will be wanting runs and power leveling for their new characters (in prophecies) because running won't be entirely avaliable in canthra (this assumes that you have to be ascended to travel to canthra). So in other words, get your characters ascended/ran NOW before prices are raised.
As for weapon and shields: Stock up on -50 cesta's, Fiery Flame Spitters, carapace shields, HoD weapons if possible. New weapons will be avaliable in Factions and over time weapons will be nerfed. And when that happens, you can sell off those weapons that you have been holding on to.
If you see some new collectors items that are overpowered or could be of use to a certain build (55ing, etc) in canthra I would also suggest you stock up on those as well.
well..there I go again...I'm gonna stop here before I start writing a whole report on things.
Hired Blade
Thanks for all your input, perhaps buying up some stuff now could pay off. Then again its all a gamble, not sure what I will do. Prob just hold what i got now not sell any craft material.
Gunz Blazing Smile
Because you can pull your other characters to factions, if you merge the account, people will farm probably right away. Get some good/ok stats on new skin weapons and sell them at outrageous prices. Then the market will actually "get smart" and stop paying so much on the items/weapons. Then comes the downer of all sellers dreams, they have to find some new way to make as much money as before selling these "awsome" looking skins with OK stats and thus start looking for a nice farming spot, then someone will blab about it and then it gets nerfed... Wow... things will go back to normal in a few weeks. 
lyra_song
Im betting a HUGE influx of factions weapons in the tyrian market.
Those items might be "common" skins in cantha, but would probably sell better in tyria.
There might become a "seperate" market in cantha, where rare skins in Tyria will be even MORE expensive (For non-merged players, the Tyrian rares will be more desirable) and vice versa.
Those items might be "common" skins in cantha, but would probably sell better in tyria.
There might become a "seperate" market in cantha, where rare skins in Tyria will be even MORE expensive (For non-merged players, the Tyrian rares will be more desirable) and vice versa.
Francis Crawford
For common and near-common (parchment, fur) crafting materials, I am assuming that the prices will firm up again around the traditional levels. (It's harder these days to sell iron or cloth at 10 gold than it used to be, but I'm holding firm.)
For dyes, surely the demand will skyrocket. But the supply seems to have gone up recently too, and indeed dye inventories may be so large that nothing preserves dye pricing.
For dyes, surely the demand will skyrocket. But the supply seems to have gone up recently too, and indeed dye inventories may be so large that nothing preserves dye pricing.
VitisVinifera
I generally agree with everyone here, but I just wanted to add this.......
A large segment of the Cantha population will be POOR. Whether that's ppl who only have Factions, or didn't bind their Proph/Factions accts, these ppl won't be finding the uber new stuff and won't be in the position to buy much.
A large segment of the Cantha population will be POOR. Whether that's ppl who only have Factions, or didn't bind their Proph/Factions accts, these ppl won't be finding the uber new stuff and won't be in the position to buy much.
Lord Iowerth
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Im betting a HUGE influx of factions weapons in the tyrian market.
Those items might be "common" skins in cantha, but would probably sell better in tyria. There might become a "seperate" market in cantha, where rare skins in Tyria will be even MORE expensive (For non-merged players, the Tyrian rares will be more desirable) and vice versa. |
Your first two points are the likely outcome: people who are prophecies-only (or haven't heard about Factions ... like they've been living under a rock or something) will be the ones paying outrageous prices for mediocre Factions items.
As someone above me noted though, the Factions only folks will most likely not have the capital to invest in Tyrian rares ... not at first
I do sincerely hope this won't breed a whole new race of scammers/tricksters importing Canthan goods into Tyria to rip off people who don't know any better ... but I fear that will end up being the case.
LifeInfusion
If you have taken economics:
-Increased supply of materials, dyes, runes, etc. = less price
-Decreased demand of Prophecies Armor and Weapons = less price for crafting materials for Prophecies armor (ex. Ecto, Shards)
-Increased amount of competition due to new players = less price
-Increased supply of materials, dyes, runes, etc. = less price
-Decreased demand of Prophecies Armor and Weapons = less price for crafting materials for Prophecies armor (ex. Ecto, Shards)
-Increased amount of competition due to new players = less price
Theos
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Originally Posted by LifeInfusion
If you have taken economics:
-Increased supply of materials, dyes, runes, etc. = less price -Decreased demand of Prophecies Armor and Weapons = less price for crafting materials for Prophecies armor (ex. Ecto, Shards) -Increased amount of competition due to new players = less price |
Hired Blade
Thank you all for your ideas, im looking forward to factions to see the outcome. =)
MSecorsky
However... did everyone notice one particular rare crafting item that the Canthan armor uses that hasn't any use yet in Tyria? Yep, Vials of Ink. One people realize that they need ink for many of the armors in Cantha, that's one item that the price will rise on. I'm sure there's others as well... depends on what required often that hasn't been before.
Jiao Yang
Im worried about the montorous items- Im not sure whether to risk investing money in them now or just suffer later when I find that I will need them for armour 
SirJackassIII
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However... did everyone notice one particular rare crafting item that the Canthan armor uses that hasn't any use yet in Tyria? Yep, *snip. One people realize that they need ink for many of the armors in Cantha, that's one item that the price will rise on. I'm sure there's others as well... depends on what required often that hasn't been before.
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And some other rare materials I saw being used...
Though I'm pretty sure a lot of player ar currently playing the market in a similar way.
MasterThrawn
Does this mean there will be a use for all that glittering dust I keep finding?
wsmcasey
I'm pretty sure I'll be setting up an import/export business between Prophecies and Factions. I think I'll be able to make a butt load of money in trading if I play my cards right.
The Fox
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Originally Posted by LifeInfusion
If you have taken economics:
-Increased supply of materials, dyes, runes, etc. = less price -Decreased demand of Prophecies Armor and Weapons = less price for crafting materials for Prophecies armor (ex. Ecto, Shards) -Increased amount of competition due to new players = less price |
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I'm pretty sure I'll be setting up an import/export business between Prophecies and Factions. I think I'll be able to make a butt load of money in trading if I play my cards right.
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quickmonty
One cool looking skin I noticed in Cantha ..... sickles that actually look like sickles.
mrbb
As said before... Cantha new players will be poor and won't have any money to buy expensive items. So, no one will be able to make a butt load of money selling to them.
People with money in Cantha will be players who came from Tyria. So, they are lvl 20's, they can farm themselves, they are educated about the game. So, you can't make butt loads of these either.
You can make money of "early adopters" the ones that want to be the first players to have the new things; these players will be willing to pay premium prices for rare Cantha items.
Also take into consideration the fact that information spreads very quickly with several forums dedicated to GW. So in a matters of weeks it is likely that most of Cantha will be explored and most items discovered and divulged to the population at large.
Then there is competition from your fellow import/export Tyria-Cantha who just had the same idea as you did.
Conclusion - you can make some money but unlikely that you'll be rich.
People with money in Cantha will be players who came from Tyria. So, they are lvl 20's, they can farm themselves, they are educated about the game. So, you can't make butt loads of these either.
You can make money of "early adopters" the ones that want to be the first players to have the new things; these players will be willing to pay premium prices for rare Cantha items.
Also take into consideration the fact that information spreads very quickly with several forums dedicated to GW. So in a matters of weeks it is likely that most of Cantha will be explored and most items discovered and divulged to the population at large.
Then there is competition from your fellow import/export Tyria-Cantha who just had the same idea as you did.
Conclusion - you can make some money but unlikely that you'll be rich.
Cybah
with cantha: less farmers in uw/fow -> ecto & obs will steady!
i guess there will be fow (chap1) armors for a and r -> ecto & obs will steady!
i guess there won't be a new 1.2 mio armor in cantha with other materials -> ecto & obs will steady!
i think u won't need rubies and sapphires for another highend armor -> prices will drop hard.
green prices will increase cause of less farmers. i saw dragos flatbow selling for 25k, now the price is at ~45k because there are less farmers...
i guess there will be fow (chap1) armors for a and r -> ecto & obs will steady!
i guess there won't be a new 1.2 mio armor in cantha with other materials -> ecto & obs will steady!
i think u won't need rubies and sapphires for another highend armor -> prices will drop hard.
green prices will increase cause of less farmers. i saw dragos flatbow selling for 25k, now the price is at ~45k because there are less farmers...
jamal555
OK, its like this...
since i know a few things and i wanna share them with u... dont ask me from where i cant tell u...
Runing isnt really an option anymore coz new armors have req. lvl 17 to wear...
ectos and shards will drop since new cantha armors have new categories [100 armor etc.] that will not be in the original GW...
and rubbies and sapphires will be in high demand since the new shards arent the only stuff in new 1 mil. armor in factions
and current rare skins [flesh horns, fells, etc...] arent gonna be that rare in factions.. so... u know what to do while u still can...
As u will see in a few weeks from the factions launch, perfect fell will be around 25k or 35k max...
Weapons were never ment to get that high prices... and things will be corrected... in time...
p.s. u will be able to craft good, real good weapons at weapons crafter...
thats all i'm gonna say for now...
since i know a few things and i wanna share them with u... dont ask me from where i cant tell u...
Runing isnt really an option anymore coz new armors have req. lvl 17 to wear...
ectos and shards will drop since new cantha armors have new categories [100 armor etc.] that will not be in the original GW...
and rubbies and sapphires will be in high demand since the new shards arent the only stuff in new 1 mil. armor in factions
and current rare skins [flesh horns, fells, etc...] arent gonna be that rare in factions.. so... u know what to do while u still can...
As u will see in a few weeks from the factions launch, perfect fell will be around 25k or 35k max...
Weapons were never ment to get that high prices... and things will be corrected... in time...
p.s. u will be able to craft good, real good weapons at weapons crafter...
thats all i'm gonna say for now...
Loralai
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OK, its like this...
since i know a few things and i wanna share them with u... dont ask me from where i cant tell u... Runing isnt really an option anymore coz new armors have req. lvl 17 to wear... ectos and shards will drop since new cantha armors have new categories [100 armor etc.] that will not be in the original GW... and rubbies and sapphires will be in high demand since the new shards arent the only stuff in new 1 mil. armor in factions and current rare skins [flesh horns, fells, etc...] arent gonna be that rare in factions.. so... u know what to do while u still can... As u will see in a few weeks from the factions launch, perfect fell will be around 25k or 35k max... Weapons were never ment to get that high prices... and things will be corrected... in time... p.s. u will be able to craft good, real good weapons at weapons crafter... thats all i'm gonna say for now... |
My opinion still stands firm that ectos and shards will not go unused in Factions. We have already been told that yes, there will be FoW armor for the Ritualists and Assassins, so that is one use there. For this reason, I do not see ectos/shards becoming obsolete as some suggest. Maybe cheaper, but not as cheap as some forsee. Rubies and sapphires could go either way. I have yet to make up my mind there. My initial theory was that they will be utilized for high-end armor in the same manner that Jadeite and Amber is for the 15k Factions equivalent, as a demarker between Luxon and Kurzick, but just a guess.
As is most everything, anyone here says. Please don't try to insinuate that you have inside sources or that you have knowledge that no one else does. If you do have this information, and it is legitimate, I can guarantee that you are NOT supposed to be giving it out. Unless you work for Anet, at this point your "few things to share" are the same as everyone elses...speculation, guesswork, and opinion.
floplag
the economy for prophecies gear will drop, and drop fast and hard i think.
its simple really, there will be less players in prophecies, ..which you might argue means more demand.. but i think it unlikely since you will be able to travel between the continents..so factions gear will find its way to prophecies players making the current high dollar items go bottom out as people will want those over the previously available tyrian models.
just my 2 cents.. but if i was holding onto some big ticket items, id be thinking of getting what i would for them now as the closer we get to factions, the more they are gonna drop.
could be wrong, but logic and human nature suggests im not that far off
its simple really, there will be less players in prophecies, ..which you might argue means more demand.. but i think it unlikely since you will be able to travel between the continents..so factions gear will find its way to prophecies players making the current high dollar items go bottom out as people will want those over the previously available tyrian models.
just my 2 cents.. but if i was holding onto some big ticket items, id be thinking of getting what i would for them now as the closer we get to factions, the more they are gonna drop.
could be wrong, but logic and human nature suggests im not that far off
Theos
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Originally Posted by floplag
the economy for prophecies gear will drop, and drop fast and hard i think.
its simple really, there will be less players in prophecies, ..which you might argue means more demand.. but i think it unlikely since you will be able to travel between the continents..so factions gear will find its way to prophecies players making the current high dollar items go bottom out as people will want those over the previously available tyrian models. just my 2 cents.. but if i was holding onto some big ticket items, id be thinking of getting what i would for them now as the closer we get to factions, the more they are gonna drop. could be wrong, but logic and human nature suggests im not that far off |
TheMosesPHD
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Originally Posted by Tsunami Rain
don't.....get me started....these topics make me write 10 page reports...
In Short: I'm pretty sure that the prices for ecto will continue to drop because everyone will want factions armor which most likely won't require ecto. If rubies and sapphires are useful in factions as ANet has released, prices will rise (buy now). Dyes are becomming less and less valuble (which is a good thing since I don't see why it should cost so much just to chage the color of your clothing). As for running, More people will be wanting runs and power leveling for their new characters (in prophecies) because running won't be entirely avaliable in canthra (this assumes that you have to be ascended to travel to canthra). So in other words, get your characters ascended/ran NOW before prices are raised. As for weapon and shields: Stock up on -50 cesta's, Fiery Flame Spitters, carapace shields, HoD weapons if possible. New weapons will be avaliable in Factions and over time weapons will be nerfed. And when that happens, you can sell off those weapons that you have been holding on to. If you see some new collectors items that are overpowered or could be of use to a certain build (55ing, etc) in canthra I would also suggest you stock up on those as well. well..there I go again...I'm gonna stop here before I start writing a whole report on things. |
Replying to other posts. It'd be best to stop believing that ectos and shards will have any use in Factions. Ectos and Shards drop in the two special farming places in Tyria and are only used (other than now as a type of currency for high priced items) to craft armor in one of those farming places located in Tyria. The equivalent to ectos and shards might be jadeite and amber, probably not rubies and sapphires since they're here in Tyria too, and could be some other crafting material we haven't seen yet. But most definitely, Ectos and Shards will have no use in Factions. With the prices of them going down, it might not even be possible to use Ectos as a stable currency for buying high lvl items.
TheMosesPHD
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You miss understoof horribly, there is no req 17 attribute armour, there is a LEVEL 17 armour requirement. So if you are below level 17 you cannot wear said armour, it has nothing to do with attributes.
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Ctb
I don't see how people figure prices for Prophecies items will sour. With an influx of new Factions players, you're going to have the same things going into Cantha from Prophecies that you have going into Tyria from Factions. Cantha will be full of people who don't have Prophecies and can't get Victo's Bulwark and such at all, and since they're new to the game entirely, they're not going to say "oh, old news" about it, so demand will stay up.
The only way I could see the Prophecies prices falling through the floor would be if the items from Cantha just completely overpower the Tyrian items and there's no purpose in buying them anymore. After all, who cares about a max damage Victo's Blade if the max damage on some new Canthan swords is 25-36 or something?
The only way I could see the Prophecies prices falling through the floor would be if the items from Cantha just completely overpower the Tyrian items and there's no purpose in buying them anymore. After all, who cares about a max damage Victo's Blade if the max damage on some new Canthan swords is 25-36 or something?
Count to Potato
If your patiet enough the prices should go down, my brother bought his ectos at 10k each and shards at like 6k, now prices are like 4k lower
floplag
you really think players from Factions are going to want to buy Prophecies items anytime soon ? maybe over the long haul, but i highly dou8bt that over the first few months of release there will be any demand for prophecies items in factions.
only time will tell, but there is no denying the "newness" factor in things like this.
only time will tell, but there is no denying the "newness" factor in things like this.
Ensign
Ectos and Shards should drop somewhat, but I have trouble seeing the bottom falling out of that market because the *supply* of those two is going to dry up as well. The community that's been flooding the game with ecto is going to be playing factions and finding new spots to farm there. I see the market overadjusting on a drop then coming back up quickly when people realize there aren't as many ectos coming in. If you ever wanted fissure armor the release of factions will be one of the best times to get it.
Anything that modifies the new armor or weapons should hold or gain value - weapon upgrades, runes, dyes. The supply of these isn't going to increase significantly (barring exploitive farming spots), but demand should shoot up as people have new items to upgrade.
The best place to put your money right now, though, is in gold. While items will be fluctuating, gold should remain solid and perhaps increase in value somewhat with all the new crafting going on. If you have high ticket items and a lot of room under the gold cap, I'd suggest liquidating.
Peace,
-CxE
Anything that modifies the new armor or weapons should hold or gain value - weapon upgrades, runes, dyes. The supply of these isn't going to increase significantly (barring exploitive farming spots), but demand should shoot up as people have new items to upgrade.
The best place to put your money right now, though, is in gold. While items will be fluctuating, gold should remain solid and perhaps increase in value somewhat with all the new crafting going on. If you have high ticket items and a lot of room under the gold cap, I'd suggest liquidating.
Peace,
-CxE
Mimi Miyagi
I'm going to ROFL when Factions comes out and all those people hoarding Rubies and Saphires find out they do exactly the same thing in Factions as they do in Prophecies (nothing).
Jade and Amber will be the hot commodities.
Jade and Amber will be the hot commodities.
NinjaKai
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Originally Posted by LifeInfusion
If you have taken economics:
-Increased supply of materials, dyes, runes, etc. = less price -Decreased demand of Prophecies Armor and Weapons = less price for crafting materials for Prophecies armor (ex. Ecto, Shards) -Increased amount of competition due to new players = less price |
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Originally Posted by Mimi Miyagi
I'm going to ROFL when Factions comes out and all those people hoarding Rubies and Saphires find out they do exactly the same thing in Factions as they do in Prophecies (nothing).
Jade and Amber will be the hot commodities. |