Second Lore Project: Clearing out the mist in the storyline

Well we seem to be all talking about the flameseeker prophecies but who or what is the flameseeker?

The Mursaat do have a bit of backstory that is infered by some slight game details. It was discovered quite some tiem ago by that guy at GWO that the Forgotten sword and hammer and bow guys are in fact some form of lesser, or unworthy mursaat. They have the same little symbol thing on their armor as the Mursaat. Also, they both have weird spikiness on their back. I believe it is mentioned in the Lore somewhere that the Mursaat have had a city deep in the Maguuma Jungle for a long time. At some point they must have made the trip to the Crystal Desert. I think we can assume that the Mursaat who were able to successfully Ascend gained levitation powers, and became the powerful spellcasters we see in the mountains and the islands. The Mursaat who were unsuccessful in Ascension were forgotten by the Ascended Mursaat ,hence their name The Forgotten, and have lived in the desert in their original, unascended forms ever since.



Ascalon is currently at war with the Charr when we begin the game, and the Guild Wars are already over. The Charr have already made their swoop down across Tyria, but facing defeat, retreated to their homeland north of Ascalon. So, in an effort to continue their foiled war plots, they created the Searing with a huge ass cannon that appears to be made out of the same metallic purple stuff as the Mursaat monuments erected by the White Mantle that we see later on.

Actually i think i read somewhere that the searing was the first act that the Charr did. The fighting you see when first in pre searing is the Charr vanguard pushing Ascalons forces back in order for Bonfass Burntfur and the other Charr commanders to erect the cauldron device that is used to create the meteors. Then with the wall destroyed the charr sweep through, breaking what little resistance remains and heads to Orr, while another strikeforce of Charr cross the shiverpeaks by the northern pass controlled by the Charr.

The rest is History.

Could be. I'm too busy to do any real fact checking. Homework FTL.

From the descriptions given in the game manual, it seems the charr were fighting with the ascalons for a long time before, but never built up enough for a huge invasion. (northern wall was built a long time before game time).

Where did the Seer Originate from? Why was he/she fighting with the Mursaat to begin with?


As for Glint.

It was brought up that Glint was destined and created to be the Guardian of the world. I think that Her role was less of a direct role, and more of a twisting of threads to make things happen. She recieved the Prophecy, and passed the information on to people that would be instrumental in bringing it to pass. Perhaps the titans were destined to be released to begin with, regardless of the efforts of the Mantle/Murssat and the Lich. So if it was known that the Titans were going to be released, perhaps Glint saw and understood the passing of events from the perspective only an immortal being could have. She may have seen the neccesity of the Lich and Chosen alike in putting a lasting and strong seal on the Door of Komalie. The Liches supercharged soul, may have been required to charge the batteries sufficiently to keep the titans locked away. So in passing the Prophecy on to the Vizer, she would have brought that half of the equation into play. She may have seen a need for something to drive the chosen towards their destiny. The war with the char, the flight from Ascalon would have only brought them so far. Perhaps seeing the Evil of the Mantle and the Mursaat was what was needed to drive us into the path we needed to take in order to complete the flameseeker prophecies.

Another thought, a few times NPC's as they're talking to themselves can be seen mentioning the Flameseeker prophecies, such as the Villagers in the Ascalonian Settlement. It would stand to reason that the prophecy was common knowledge.

Ok, sorry for the absence, I have been working on this post (amongst other things jutting into my time).

Vizier Khilbron: "I am the Flameseeker"

He said it himself, and...it was true

Interesting. I've been thinking a lot about the role of Glint, her prophecy, and who she passed it on to (or passed some of it on to). Whoever she did tell it too, by her immortal power she must have been clever enough to think through the whole sequence of events and the involvements of different groups, as long as those groups knew the prophecy, or some of it. She wove all the threads together of the prophecy, foreseeing that it would happen and making it happen.

So... just what was her motivation to do that? Was it simply part of her being the Guardian, to prophesy something, make it happen, and so things would be better? Surely, she saw all the bad things that would happen too... like the death of those that the White Mantle thought were 'The Chosen', the fall of Ascalon in the Searing, and the Cataclysm of Orr? What kind of prophecy to make things better is that?

Here is an interesting theory from the thread Charr Lore :

This actually seems to be quite true... but for one wrong thing.

How exactly did Glint 'profit' from the whole situation? She received the prophecy, passed it on to those who would make it happen... watched the destruction of two great human nations, and so many other bad things throughout Tyria, as the Chosen made their way to free the Titans and then defeat them afterwards (along with Khilbron)... Why did she do it?

If she hadn't done it, surely things would be better? Khilbron would not have been inspired and gone to tell the Charr (and made them worship the Titans somehow), so Ascalon would not have been overrun, and... Orr would not have been destroyed...

If you think about it, those that lost the most in this were actually probably Glint's enemies. The Mursaat. Perhaps she saw the Mursaat becoming powerful in the future, and their worshippers the White Mantle overrunning Tyria... but it was not destined to be, and by making her prophecies she could change that.

I haven't actually thought about this until now. Was Glint's purpose in making the prophecies simply to prevent the Mursaat from gaining great power?

She may also have wanted to get rid of the Titans, because they were just lurking about and bound to be let loose and cause trouble eventually.

Just to shed some light on the Flameseeker Prophecies, here is some information from GuildWiki:

Evidently, Glint made her prophecies a very long time ago. She must have looked into what could be the future (the Mursaat gaining power), and decided that that could not be, so she prophesied something different with her immortal power, and made plans on how to make it happen.

Of course, this links back to the Gods, and who exactly was to blame for all the bad things. Khilbron was bad...but only because of Glint's prophecy. Glint's prophecy was bad... but, the Gods created her as the first guardian of the world! Surely the Gods had the power to prophesy too! What were they thinking?

Long post, I know. But I think this is the most in-depth examination I have ever done on Glint.

There is still plenty more for us to discuss, and all these things need to be concluded upon for the holes to be covered up and the mist driven out. Remember, we’re looking for the gaps here, to fill them in, and those could range from gaps in information in quests and missions, to gaps in the connections between characters and particular groups in their contribution to the storyline.

I have more to bring up, but I will do that later, as this post would go on for a good deal longer than it already is otherwise. Look over what we have already begun to discuss, and build upon it. Put in your own opinions so that we may all makes compromises and conclusions together.

And, I am introducing a new project tomorrow, and as it will be fairly large it will span two weeks as well before the next one after that is started, which will, of course, be related to Guild Wars: Factions.

By all means keep this project going, we still have so much to look at and conclude on.

One of the main reason the mursaat are so powerful is because of their white mantle grunts to do most there work. but if Glint wanted to weaken the mursaat she would need to tell the prophecy to the charr. then the charr would have never invaded kryta thus the white mantal would never exist and the mursaat woud be without grunts. But then agein mabey the mursaat would have somehow become more powerful in some way only glint could forsee a needed to take care of it.

We keep saying Glint is the only winner, winner of what? She sits in her pocket dimension hidden in a grain of sand, what threat were the Mursaat to her.

At one time she was more well know, there are mural and statues of her trough out Tyria.

I don't know about the relation of Seer's race and the Mursaat. The seeer's have 4 arms, and definitely a non human face, the Mursaat look almost human.

The God's to begin with aren't neccesarily Good or Evil. Let's just say all of them together balance each other out. So rather than define Guardian as 'Protector'....We should probally look at Glint as the balancing Force in the world.

As for her Motivation...again, I think she's striving towards balance. She saw things that if left uncorrected, would mean that the world would be in danger of Chaos.

Yes I think she knew what was going to happen as she pulled the strings... but look at the good things that came out of the bad. There is no longer a war between Kyrta and Ascalon. The Lion Guard and Royal Family have control of Kyrta again. The Shining Blade have established themselves in the Henge. The Civil War amongst the Dwarves is over. The Murasaat (that I suggest didn't belong here in the first place...Something of an unnatural or unwelcome squatter) are gone. The titans are locked away idenfinately. The Char are left weakened and battered (my take on the last Titan mission, is that we left them leaderless, and killed the strongest among them.) So while many bad things did happen....Things eventually balanced out, and order was restored. That is what I think is glints role. Not preventing the bad...but making sure order is preserved.

If Glint is a balancing force, and the "Seer Race" is on the verge of extinctin (due to the Mursaat wars,) is it possible that the whole Flameseeker Prophecies was a foresight prevention of any one species being completely destroyed?

Sorry if that seems wack, its 2:00 am and i just thought of that

another thing:
was the vizier behind the stone summit as well? how did rurik get from them to the lich at the end?

When you watch the lord of the rings movies you might think that the whole trip takes about a couple months but actually it takes around 30 years so we dont really know...

Is anyone else weirded out by the fact that the skeles use water magic, but the vizier doesn't? It seems like a property of skeles in general, but still, what gives?

Also, some of the story seems looted from LotR. Passage through treacherous mountains, utilizing tunnels, in which our heroic leader is smacked the RED ENGINE GO down?

Flash forward, we end up in a keep, protecting a king, when we are saved by an army of the dead.

Flash forward again, we end up taking the fight to the enemy, who live inside a big ass mountain. We destroy our foe inside the caldera of the mountain itself... at least we didn't need a goofy scene involving a ring.


If you check out the big burning widgie in front of Nolani, you can CLEARLY see that it is a titan. It even uses the same model.

Plus, titan source is inside the heart of charr territory. Nuff said.

Charr and Titans/Lich, White Mantle and Mursaat, Us (the good guys and the Deldies) and Glint. Ascalon/Kryta and the Old Gods.

Who do the Summit have as their holy man? The Iron Forgeman was not in the game originally.

And where are the other Lands of the Gods?

Just to let everyone know, I moved five posts concerning that temple in the Maguuma Jungle to the other lore project, as I feel they belong more in there.

are the seal guardians in the abbadon's mouth mission the chosen from kryta that were sacrificed?

Well, on that thought, I just went to Hell's Precipice and found the NPC that I thought would have the answer. His name is Jacob Salinger, and what he says completely proves that yes, they were the sacrified Chosen.

you should look around Tyria more, these shrines are not ONLY at the Grenditch Courthouse, but also in the cinimatics with Confesser Dorrian and also in other outposts and in the exploreable areas, I'm convinced that there is more to these shrines than just looking pretty.... -.- lol

Kduv889

They are probibly just rocks. oon earth rocks that are made of same substances can be found all over the globe not in one area. They probibly found them and said they would look good at the court house the use hammer and chissil to make them look good. Just because they are shiny dont mean they must have hidden powers or secret origens.

sorry about the dupple post but no one else decided to post.
I went to cheak out thes grendich courthouse rocks. In side they have fires burning which means they are hollow and when you get up close thay look more metalic the rock.

Hello everyone, this is KDUV889, i previously posted that i was creating a Novel for a School assignment, and i chose to use the Guild Wars game as my plot. I want to share with you all my first chapter and a VERY quick outline of the chapters after. I would love to have your feed back, especially on the proper Nouns of NPC names and outpost/town names. please feel free to Email me if you need to further share advice or comments, i will be looking on here for your comments as well. thank you again for all the posts on here that have helped me to sort out what i want to do here. let me remind you that my story does not exactly concure with the story line of Guildwars, for the sake of not using plagerism (sp). i dont know how many posts i will have to use to post the whole outline, as it took 3 pages on MS word.

kduv889 (look below for the outline)

There is a land where the heroes and the citizens live in harmony because of the help which both bestow upon each other. It is a land where evil is little known and not brought up into conversation. This land is known as Tyria and many different types of people and animals live within it. In current days, a great city, known as Ascalon has been struck with travesty. The blood thirsty ones known as the Charr have invaded this once beautiful and peaceful city and caused the whole land to become ugly and vulgar. The land of Tyria would be affected by this great travesty in Ascalon in a great way that would trigger the Flame Seeker Prophecies and thus, begin this story.
In the land of the Northern Shiverpeak dwarves, King Jalis Ironhammer rules over the ones who protect the lands from the Stone Summit Hand. A little known warrior, Yabo Shlivenberg, in a settlement near the Ice Tooth Cave, has been in route to Ascalon since the news of the Searing of Ascalon reached the area. Yabo has warned King Jalis Ironhammer of the threat that lingers within Ascalon and made sure that the King be ready for Ascalon refugees in transit. Yabo was not known to be a coward because of the lessons that his great and mighty father, Ronlivoch Shlivenberg taught him since he was a “wee” little boy. Yabo has planned to meet up with Sister Mun Tai as soon as he enters the Ascalon city. He faces a semi-long journey ahead to reach his destination but vows to overcome all hardships in order to help those he calls friends.
Yabo has reached Yaks Bend, which at the moment is cold and empty of settlers.
“ I do expect this place to be over flowing with Ascalonians soon, but I hope not to see them in distress. I hope ‘te’ find the ‘wee’ ones in good health as well. I find little time to stop and think of such ‘lil’ travesties ahead.” Yabo sighed from exhaustion of his journey to Ascalon. “Where be that ‘john’ I must relieve myself before my continuing journey. Oh to hell, I’ll use that bush.”
Soon after, Yabo returns to his journey and puts the skills that he learned from Master Togo in the days behind him, to great use.
“I tell ‘ye’, maintaining this mending against these Mergoyles uses quite a bit of my energy, oh hell.”
Once out of the travelers Vale, Yabo found himself dealing with a greater deal of Hydras and Stone Furys than he had anticipated.
“You shall not stop me oh evil Stones and hydras of Grenth, I shall over come you!” Yabo casts Mending and immediately after, shouts ‘Shields Up!’ for the win.
We Stone Furys will see your power and shake you with our earthquake, little human!” The battle rages with fire in Yabo’s eyes and determination in the Lodestones of the Furys.
Now nearing the Northern Wall, Yabo makes hast to find Ambassador Kain who would tell him of the Travesties that have taken place since post Searing. He pondered as he sprinted nearer to the Ambassador, “How sad it makes me to see such a beautiful land struck with ugliness, I can barely make out the details of my childhood here, as I visited often.” Again sighing while just around the corner from the Ambassador, Yabo catches his breath.
“Hello heroic one, I have heard far and wide of your arrival to Ascalon City, you are well known here, and many appreciate the help you bring to our aide. You will find food and shelter within the ruins of Ascalon and much wisdom from Brother Mhenlo in the Sanitarium South of me. Please take this time to rest my friend, as your journey to save Ascalon, and possibly the kingdoms of Tyria is only beginning.”
Yabo came to attention as the wisdom of the Ambassador was released unto Yabo’s ears and absorbed. Now he enters into Ascalon to await his childhood friend of Cantha, Sister Mun Tai.
n Outline of further chapters –
n Ch. 2 Yabo and sister meet and take about the journey ahead.
n Ch. 3 Yabo and sister make for the Sanitarium for wisdom of Mhenlo and speak with the locals there
n Ch. 4 Journey to Northern wall to stop the charr and meet up with Prince Rurik
n Ch. 5 Yabo and Sister meet in the Nolani Academy to get to Yaks bend
n Ch. 6 The group meets up with Myriam of Lockdale a mesmer of greatness, and talk with the Ascalon settlers who have reached yaks
n Ch 7. Group helps the deldrimor dwarves with the stone summit and travel back to Ice tooth cave with hast.
n Ch. 8. meet up with Uzumaka Yuzara a ranger of poison, in ITC.
n Ch. 9. travel south to beacons perch to help the Ascalon refugees continue passage to the Gates of Kryta.
n Ch 10. meet with the white mantle and ask for passage into Lion’s Arch, the new home of the Ascalons.
n Ch. 11. group rests in LA and talks with the town folk there. Meets up with Valoria Rivinta and discusses plan ahead of them
n Ch. 12 makes hast to Temple of Ages to look for the favor of the gods, so that their morale can maintain high.
n Ch. 13. travels to Divinity coast and goes in transit to Druid’s overlook and to pay resprect to the Avatar of Dwayna.
n Ch. 14. group rushes to Quarrel falls to deal with the White Mantle and side with the Shining Blade
n Ch. 15. group makes a stop in the Maguuma stade to recover from the maguuma spiders and their poison.
n Ch. 16. meet up with Ritualist Naga to learn of the way of Spirit calling in order to make it to riverside, talks with Old man Jones and departs from Naga there after.
n Ch. 17. group sneaks past mantle near the riverside providence in order to make it to Sanctum cay
n Ch. 18. Group learns new skills at the skills trainer in Fisherman’s Haven to help them deliver a rare item to Vizier Kilibraun
n Ch. 19. group uses the help of Assassin Troy to make safe passage to the boat with the vizier so that they may find last hope of saving Ascalon and now kindom of Tyria from destruction as told in Flame Seeker Prophices, as told by Vizier Kilibraun.
n Ch. 20. Group makes it Amnoon Oasis and travels around is major hast to ascend and find the gods favor in divine light. Assassin troy has left the group at Amnoon.
n Ch. 21 group ascends and returns to Ascalon to destroy the charr invasion.
n Ch. 22. Yabo receives horrible news of his settlement and must return. All other too, are now in danger in their home areas as the Litch as releases fire demons in their areas. Valoria Rivinta takes up the greatest task, killing the Litch, with Hired help of the henchmen.
n Ch. 23. Valoria Rivinta travels to the fire Islands with only the hope that she finds in the Gods favor.
n Ch. 24. Valoria rushs to the litch area and fights for the freedom of Tyria
n Ch. 25. Litch is dead and Valoria is killed in an explosion on Fire islands. Yabo finds news of this after a week and travels on to find out how this happened. In transit yabo is jumped by Azure Shadows and kills by the evil within the icy land. Who will save the tyrian kingdoms from the Titans who roam the lands of Tyria now, Tyria is in grave danger now.
n After math Ch. – Canthan characters sale to Lion’s Arch, as Mhenlo tells of a grave danger that Krytan area faces and asks for the help of those who were taught well my Master Togo. A second Novel would pick up here as a follow up to the first novel.

Just a note about the burning (non-titan) effigies in Old Ascalon - I thought they were likenesses of the Lich.