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SCARLETTHORN

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Mar 2006

HELLFIRE BROTHERHOOD

W/E

31 Mar 2006 at 21:57 - 1

Well, I have discussed some ideas in regard to level capping (currently at 20) with some friends of mine (all owners of Guild Wars) and we have all came to the same conclusion: Capping at level 20 just doesn't do it for us. Not that we are against game imbalances by any means, but the idea of character progression is what keeps us going on, trying to reach further new goals. The idea that when you reach level 20 that all you get is more skills and new armor, isn't that thrilling. Not that we dislike getting new skills and such, but it takes away that sense of attainement. We would really love to see the level cap at 40 perhaps. This would show that you have been around the block a time or two and give you a sense of being one of the old timers, who have been with the game since it's inception. I know, I know, everyone is pretty uptight with the level capping issue and it has been tossed around more times than people can say, but it seems to be an issue that most of the players that I've spoken with, would love to see go away. The idea that everyone and their Mom has reached level 20 around you, doesn't show that you are a true hero among just the average game player. Maybe this is just ego or simply aesthetics, but the whole reason that anyone ever played Dungeons & Dragons for instance, was to get their character to that point that they were very high level and a hero in their own right. I.E. look at me the big bad warrior with the +2000 Sword Of Worldcrushing ... or the wizard with the 11th lvl spell of Power of Demigod or some such nonsense. It was awesome indeed!

Well, I am sure that not everyone would agree with this set of arguments, but we for one (and there are many of us), would like to turn the heads of the Devs at ArenaNet to say, "Hey, we your fans, would love to see some higher level attainements for our characters". Thanks to all for reading this.

Scarletthorn .............

Killmur

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Arizona - America

R/Mo

31 Mar 2006 at 22:02 - 2

Moot point. A-Net has a 100% firm stance on L20 being max. It will never change. It might several years\packs down the road but for the time being it will stay this way.

Lampshade

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

USA

Xen of Onslaught

31 Mar 2006 at 22:03 - 3

Level cap will not increase. Lvl 20 would be the same as lvl 90. Theres no
reason to raise the cap.

Silent Kitty

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Netherlands

[TYW] "The Young World"

A/Me

31 Mar 2006 at 22:06 - 4

And eventually, you'll see a whole lot of lvl 99 farmbots. No thank you. I like this game, because people can't brag with their lvls. It is quite easy to become lvl 20, and you still have to earn respect after that. There are way to many powerlevelers in this game. If you think lvl 20 is nothing, you will not change your mind when you see lvls 99 all around you.

/not signed

Banin Galori

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

R/Mo

31 Mar 2006 at 22:10 - 5

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCARLETTHORN

Maybe this is just ego or simply aesthetics, but the whole reason that anyone ever played Dungeons & Dragons for instance, was to get their character to that point that they were very high level and a hero in their own right.

If you'll recall, most standard DnD games have people's levels capped at 20 too.

But that's all besides the point. The point is, we don't want people to grind to reach max. In other words, we are sacrificing your prized traditional measure of "achievement" for fair and skill-based play. This game isn't about who has the best character because they spent the most time. It's about who has more skill. You will never see your level cap change.

Perhaps you'd like a different form to measure progress and that sense of attainment. Well, that's fine... as long as it doesn't give you an advantage over someone else who hasn't played as long. (15k armor, for example?)

Avatar of Melandru

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

31 Mar 2006 at 22:13 - 6

Sorry, but if the low level cap bothers you, you're missing the point of the game entirely. It's about SKILL, not time invested into mindlessly grinding levels. Sure, you need time and practise to become skilled, but I don't see what raising the cap would achieve other than making PvE a lot more boring than it already is.

KvanCetre

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

The Madison Scouts

E/Mo

31 Mar 2006 at 22:24 - 7

I Want To See My Level At 40 So That I Feel More Accomplished As A Player And Person Than Someone Who Hasnt Reached It Because Ive Been Farming Longer And I Have Missed The Entire Point Of Guild Wars

(edit: Oh wow, theres an "anti-all caps" filter now)

SCARLETTHORN

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Mar 2006

HELLFIRE BROTHERHOOD

W/E

31 Mar 2006 at 22:25 - 8

Yes, I do agree that it is a game of skill, but rewards are rewards. I would still love to see the progression of your character beyond 20. But of course each to his own. Even if they made mission badges or such, that would even be cool. Yeah, yeah, ego talking again. Thanks anyway, for your input.

Banin Galori

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

R/Mo

31 Mar 2006 at 22:33 - 9

Mission badges would be interesting. Little tidbits like that, or like the PvP rank? emotes, serve to give people a sense of accomplishment, without actually providing them a competitive advantage. I'm all in favor of little things like that, I suppose.

Kool Pajamas

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Maryland

Mage Elites [MAGE]

31 Mar 2006 at 22:33 - 10

If anything, they should just get rid of levels. Start everyone with max attributes. The only "leveling" would be for skill points.

I'm not actually for this, but I wouldnt be against it either.

The best part of the game is the high level stuff. i.e. Tombs, SF, UW, FoW, Missions after Droks, etc...

Cottage Pie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

Birmingham, England

Taking Aegis

Mo/Me

01 Apr 2006 at 01:22 - 11

raising the level cap would only favour the lesser skilled players and teenage kids with time to burn.

so a bit fat /NOT SIGNED.

Lampshade

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

USA

Xen of Onslaught

01 Apr 2006 at 02:07 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCARLETTHORN

the whole reason that anyone ever played Dungeons & Dragons for instance, was to get their character to that point that they were very high level

People played to role-play with their friends and have fun. I don't remember and PnP sessions where we ran around the country-side grinding
for XP.

S H I N O B I

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

PSC

R/W

01 Apr 2006 at 02:22 - 13

Part of the appeal of Guildwars is the idea that "Skill" and not "Time spent" determines your success in the game (it even says so on the back of their game covers)... If the level cap was increased to something similar to most MMORPGs, "Time spent" becomes more of an issue than "Skill". Take Lineage ][ for instance. That game is HARDCORE grinding at its finest.... Your weapons, armor, and level determine your success in the game. World of Warcraft might have a lesser level cap and is easier to max out, but weapons and level still take premise over skill. Anet has made a nice but delicate balance of Time spent vs. Skill, and modifying one might severly hinder the other.

Though increasing lvl cap sounds like a good idea, I'd like to stay safe and keep things the way they are...

/not signed

Maybe increasing the amount of gold sinks (i.e. different armor looks, weps, accessories, areas, monsters, etc...) might give you and your friends that sense of accomplishment you all seek...

Minus Sign

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Mo/N

01 Apr 2006 at 05:17 - 14

no backlash SCARLETTHORN; most here are just stating what Anet already has time and again. That they also agree with Anet just shows how much the company understood the desires of those they appealed to when they marketed it.

Fact is, part of the appeal of GWP was in its level 20 cap. Opene ended grind does work in some games, but not all. take Silkroad; I enjoyed it...until i got to level 20. then--when the game is supposed to start getting interesting, you find yourself under attack from level 40 to level 60 players, eagar to tear you to shreads.

Not so in GW. You reach your full potential quickly, and then its down to just casual tweeks and skills to build yourself into the best player you can be. what works for onedoes not work for all, but at the end of the day, anyone you meet in the arenas is going to be about the same strength as you. And in PvE.

I'm sorry you feel that GW needs its cap increased. /not signed. I, personally, love it.

Cade

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2006

Knights of The Scorched Earth

W/

01 Apr 2006 at 05:35 - 15

I believe that they should raise the max level now that factions is coming... missions wont be as fun because new characters wont get allowed in them, because party leaders will choose those who carried their level 20s over, and we are all going to be level 20 throughout the whole game. I admit that is a good way to play, but i dont think its a good idea to play a game and never progress.

Minus Sign

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Mo/N

01 Apr 2006 at 05:47 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cade

I believe that they should raise the max level now that factions is coming... missions wont be as fun because new characters wont get allowed in them, because party leaders will choose those who carried their level 20s over, and we are all going to be level 20 throughout the whole game. I admit that is a good way to play, but i dont think its a good idea to play a game and never progress.

how am i going to bring my level 20 Assassin or Ritualist over? And how would raising the level cap help new players in the first place? If i "need" a level 20 healer now, what will happen to your level 15 when I "need" a level 30?

Your logic is flawed. Old players make new characters all the time. Personally, I'm on my second mesmer (soon to be third; I'm deleting it.) and intend to remake my ele with factions: I like the new skins better. While there will be an abundance of level 20s at teh start fo Factions, that does not mean that all elder players will not be making new toons.

Personally, I intend to tbeat the game from level 1 first, so I can see factions version of Pre-Sear. I want all the story this time through. And I feel more accomplishment when I don't twink myself.

Guardian of the Light

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Radicals Against Tyrants

W/

01 Apr 2006 at 06:51 - 17

/not signed

If you want to be a hero find the way to solo that titan bose. Destoying a big monster should be good enough

.

I'd meantion more but I think everyone else has already said it.

Makkert

Black Beast of Aarrrrgghh

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

The Biggyverse [PLEB] // Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

01 Apr 2006 at 07:27 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCARLETTHORN

Well, I have discussed some ideas in regard to level capping (currently at 20) with some friends of mine (all owners of Guild Wars) and we have all came to the same conclusion: Capping at level 20 just doesn't do it for us. Not that we are against game imbalances by any means, but the idea of character progression is what keeps us going on, trying to reach further new goals. The idea that when you reach level 20 that all you get is more skills and new armor, isn't that thrilling. Not that we dislike getting new skills and such, but it takes away that sense of attainement. We would really love to see the level cap at 40 perhaps. This would show that you have been around the block a time or two and give you a sense of being one of the old timers, who have been with the game since it's inception. I know, I know, everyone is pretty uptight with the level capping issue and it has been tossed around more times than people can say, but it seems to be an issue that most of the players that I've spoken with, would love to see go away. The idea that everyone and their Mom has reached level 20 around you, doesn't show that you are a true hero among just the average game player. Maybe this is just ego or simply aesthetics, but the whole reason that anyone ever played Dungeons & Dragons for instance, was to get their character to that point that they were very high level and a hero in their own right. I.E. look at me the big bad warrior with the +2000 Sword Of Worldcrushing ... or the wizard with the 11th lvl spell of Power of Demigod or some such nonsense. It was awesome indeed!

Well, I am sure that not everyone would agree with this set of arguments, but we for one (and there are many of us), would like to turn the heads of the Devs at ArenaNet to say, "Hey, we your fans, would love to see some higher level attainements for our characters". Thanks to all for reading this.

Scarletthorn .............

So you want to make a point?

Use paragraphs. I'm not even going to read this.

Tuoba Hturt Eht

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

Deimos Tel Arin [CCTV]

W/

01 Apr 2006 at 11:03 - 19

/not signed
Level cap stays at level 20.

led-zep

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

01 Apr 2006 at 12:55 - 20

i kind of agree since reaching level 20 means there nothing left to work towards. there is no sense of achievement at all in gw where currency seems to be more important than character development, and why shouldnt someone whos played for a year have a little more to show than someone who has played for a month?

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

01 Apr 2006 at 13:10 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCARLETTHORN

We would really love to see the level cap at 40 perhaps. This would show that you have been around the block a time or two and give you a sense of being one of the old timers, who have been with the game since it's inception.

Level 20 is 140,000 xp. I can, with scrolls, gain 400k+ a day if I wanted, and wars/monks can go faster. Do you really think level 40 would be anything special for long? Not to mention that almost every PvE'er has the xp for that level already

/notsigned, if you want recognition you need to earn it through mastery of character play, not xpfarming.

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

01 Apr 2006 at 15:23 - 22

All of you who agree with raising the level cap: in short, you are playing the wrong game.

Vhayr

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

UK

Malice Nights [MN]

A/Me

01 Apr 2006 at 15:33 - 23

/not signed

Like Avarre said, if the cap was raised to 40, I'd be level 40 as soon as it was raised. Plus I just think it'd be stupid.

Warcheif_Jonval

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2006

Defending the gates of the Ascalon Settlement

E/Me

01 Apr 2006 at 15:49 - 24

If you want to be a hero, let your blade speak for you, not some numerical value determining your CHARICTER's abilities. I dont see how grinding to some obserdly high level is an acheivement. I did that in FF11 and it was nothing to be excited about.

Your actions speak louder than what number you have tagged onto your charicter. Get out there and prove your self soldier! O_o

Yarrick

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

Serbia

We Never Sleep [ZzzZ]

01 Apr 2006 at 18:42 - 25

Just read the Factions FAQ on guildwars.com. There is a question related to the level cap. I personally think WoW and Lineage2 suck just because you dont need any active brain cells to play it...

/not signed

Snograt

rattus rattus

Join Date: Jan 2006

London, UK GMT??0 ??1hr DST

[GURU]GW [wiki]GW2

R/

01 Apr 2006 at 18:53 - 26

Look at it this way: while you are levelling up, you are still in the learning stage of the game. Once you reach level 20 (the proper way) you should have learned enough about game mechanics to be able to play the game with skill.

Mandy Memory

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2005

USA

Xen of Sigils [XoO]

W/

01 Apr 2006 at 19:14 - 27

You fail because:
1. You dont have paragraphs.
2. Your friends share your IQ level.
3. You want to ruin the game.
4. You arent playing WoW.
5. You have one huge chunk of text.
6. You didnt search these forums, let alone Guildwars.com where you would have found out that the level cap will never be raised.
7. What fun is a game when you have a +2000 sword of "No social life"
8. One. Huge. Paragraph.

Ristaron

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2005

Canada, eh?

Legion Of Valhalla

E/

01 Apr 2006 at 19:32 - 28

When I first started Guild Wars, I too looked at the level cap and scoffed. Why would we bother with levels at all if there is a cap?

As I continued to play, though, and the advantages of being able to continue levelling remained, I also came to realize that the concept behind Guild Wars would be moot if there was no level cap.

The game is about "personal skill, not time played".
The level cap also provides a seemingly mortal feel to the game. While your character is better than the average human being, there is only so far that a humanoid body can take you, even when you're ascended.
Whether or not ANet intended it that way, the level cap makes it clear that despite how you may be ascended, you are not a god.

Now, I assume the reason you want a higher level cap is mainly because you want to be able to solo powerful monsters. This is also at odds with the concept behind the game. Guild Wars is a CORPG (Cooperative Online RPG), not a fantasy +2000 Sword of World of Warcraft.
If you want a game like that, then go play WOW. Otherwise deal with what you have.

And as for standard DnD campaigns being limited to level 20: never did my campaigns stop at level 20. Granted that after a while we got bored of our characters, we never played where level governed anything more than what enemies we faced.

tryptamine_xxp

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

Desolation Lords

A/

01 Apr 2006 at 20:04 - 29

raise level cap for monsters only

id like to fight a n/me boss level 60 with 16 skills

Taurus

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Mexico

Go for the eyes [jizz]

W/Mo

01 Apr 2006 at 21:41 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mandy Memory

You fail because:
1. You dont have paragraphs.
2. Your friends share your IQ level.
3. You want to ruin the game.
4. You arent playing WoW.
5. You have one huge chunk of text.
6. You didnt search these forums, let alone Guildwars.com where you would have found out that the level cap will never be raised.
7. What fun is a game when you have a +2000 sword of "No social life"
8. One. Huge. Paragraph.

perfectly said.

Trylo

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

[Here] | CKOD

E/R

01 Apr 2006 at 23:34 - 31

the whole point of this game is for people (like me and others) who dont play GW 24/7 dont get left behind in lvls and it actually takes SKILL to win and succeed in tough situations and not time to get lvl X.

(yes this is just saying what many others said im just to lazy to find something new to say)

Minus Sign

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Mo/N

02 Apr 2006 at 05:52 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avarre

Level 20 is 140,000 xp. I can, with scrolls, gain 400k+ a day if I wanted, and wars/monks can go faster. Do you really think level 40 would be anything special for long? Not to mention that almost every PvE'er has the xp for that level already

/notsigned, if you want recognition you need to earn it through mastery of character play, not xpfarming.

good point. 3 of my characters are already in the millions.

PieXags

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

The Infinite Representation Of Pie And Its Many Brilliances

02 Apr 2006 at 07:20 - 33

...I missed this topic.

Please, read the guidelines for this section and follow them. This has been addressed by the public...and by Anet, the level cap will not change. Posting the idea even after it's been denied by the devs, is useless.

-Closed-