Unlocking all skills: a new challenge!

sakura75

sakura75

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Netherlands

Intensive Care Unit [ICU]

Unlocking all skills for playing pvp is no challenge anymore. Let's say you play pvp only and want want to unlock 6x75 skills = 450 skills = 450k factions (actually a little bit more, since some skills are already available and elite skills cost 3k factions to unlock). This took me like one month playing guild wars.

But how about unlocking all the skills by a single PvE character, with all secondary profession skills unlocked. So let's say you are a primary mesmer who want to unlock all mesmer skills and all other skills from the other 5 secondary professions (in this case: monk, necromancer, elementalist, ranger and warrior).

My suggestion would be:
- Doing all missions (to get skillpoints)
- Doing all quests that gives you skills as a reward (only for your primary and one secondary profession, as you cannot do the same quests more than once to get the skills)
- Doing the high XP reward quests (Glint's quest = 20k, fast Ascension = 50k bonus, etc)
- Doing quest in UW and FoW (limited since your region does not always have the favor and you need to play 1k for entrance)

Let's say you wanted unlock all the 450 skills (actually less, since some skills are only available for primary professions only) and 1 skillpoint = 20k XP.
Then you will need 450 x 20k = 90 million XP to unlock all skills.

In my opinion: 90 million XP is impossible to reach! My character has only 1.4 Million XP and the highest XP player I know in GW has 27 Million XP.

My challenge is as follows > How can you get 90 Million asap? Please, give me suggestion!
A greater challenge would be when the GW: Factions comes out and you wanted to unlock the skills for A and Rt as a secondary profession too!

Valerius

Valerius

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Canada

R/

Mountain Trolls... UW/FoW Quests... Missions/Bonuses... playing the game?

art_

art_

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Who has 27 mill xp?

Angel Develin

Angel Develin

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Lions Arch

Minions of Kronos

N/Me

I think it cost a littel less (unlocking the skills) then that, you get new quests with each new 2nd pro you get so the most of it you get from the quests.
Getting 90 mil xp hmmm thats is imposible IMO, maybe If you dont have a life or you are a bot (lmao), but let me know if you find out how

Theus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

W/Mo

I've unlocked all of the Mesmer, Monk and Warrior, Two of which I unlocked on my one Warrior/Monk, all of which through PvE,Also I'm about to unlock the last few elites for Necromancer, which is on my PvE Mesmer/Necromancer.

I plan on unlocking all of the ranger skills in pve as well, except for elementalist..I plan on unlocking his skills through pvp, since I want to keep my R/E a pure beastmaster.

All in all, I plan on unlocking all skills before Factions(I hope anyway).

tobash

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/

You don't need 90 million exp to unlock all skills on a PvE character, more like 5 million which is about 350 skill points.

Many people have already unlocked all skills on a single PvE character.

Savio

Savio

Teenager with attitude

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

A few notes to the OP:

1. At level 20, you get skill points every 15k now as opposed to 20k. This was changed a while ago (which itself was even changed from before, when you had to get an increasing number of xp each time you got another skill point. At any rate, using your calculations at 20k it's only 9 million xp to get 450 skill points, not 90 million.)

2. You can get the skills of a secondary in that primary attribute; for example, an R/W can get Strength-based skills. They won't be very effective though.

3. When you switch secondaries, you can do the profession-specific quests back in Ascalon and Yak's Bend. You can get an additional 12-13 skills for each secondary this way.

4. Switching secondaries itself unlocks a few starter skills; I don't remember which exact ones you unlock.

5. You get one skill point from the Pre-Searing quest Tithe for Ashford Abbey, 1 skill point for each level up, and 1 skill point for each of the 24 PvE missions. That's 44 free skill points.

After all that, you should have around 280 skill points you have to earn. That's 4.2 million exp, or 4,340,600 experience including the experience it takes to get to level 20.

walder

walder

Elite Guru

Join Date: Feb 2005

Probly not the fastest, but if your going to start a new character try to make a build using professions that you havn't ever had before. Do all quests and missions again gives you a lot of skills and skill points without the farming.

Grais

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Tools

Quote:
At any rate, using your calculations at 20k it's only 9 million xp to get 450 skill points, not 90 million.
I can't believe it took that many people too notice this glaring error in math.

Coolniceronguy

Coolniceronguy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

Amidst A Sea Of Darkness[Star]

I have all skills for my monk. She is at 4.3 million xp.

Raptox

Raptox

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

Huntington Station, NY

Une Annee Sans Lumiere [UASL]

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Savio
After all that, you should have around 280 skill points you have to earn. That's 4.2 million exp, or 4,340,600 experience including the experience it takes to get to level 20.
Here's an old post by Racthoh that applies to this thread:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...5&postcount=62

Mind boggling.

ghostlyranger

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

haha racthoh a hardcore gw players. salute

Makkert

Makkert

Black Beast of Aarrrrgghh

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

The Biggyverse [PLEB] // Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ghostlyranger
haha racthoh a hardcore gw players. salute
Actually, the name Racthoh is an anagram for hardcore:

Hartcoh (shame spelling isn't Racthoh's greatest asset)

The Noble Savage

The Noble Savage

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2006

Chicago, IL

I'm Following You [Mush]

R/N

Do the new GW:F quests :P

Mandy Memory

Mandy Memory

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2005

USA

Xen of Sigils [XoO]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Makkert
Actually, the name Racthoh is an anagram for hardcore:

Hartcoh (shame spelling isn't Racthoh's greatest asset)
This is the funniest thing I have seen so far in 2006...you should in an award

(and since i would feel bad making an off topic post)

Its been done by many people already...

Woutsie

Woutsie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Belgium

For some people, unlocking all skills (not on their PvE character) is a challange. Just for me. I have played GW for over 1000 hours and still have like 200 skills to unlock. I'm trying to unlock a skill once a day now.

Ghalheon

Ghalheon

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

France

The Broken Arms

N/Mo

450 * 20.000 = 9M not 90M

period

BTW to get 1 skill point you need 15.000xp not 20.000

Tarkin

Tarkin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

W/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Savio
A few notes to the OP:

2. You can get the skills of a secondary in that primary attribute; for example, an R/W can get Strength-based skills. They won't be very effective though.

3. When you switch secondaries, you can do the profession-specific quests back in Ascalon and Yak's Bend. You can get an additional 12-13 skills for each secondary this way.
2 Dont mather if the skills will be less effective... are mine and i want it...

3 tip: some npcs give the skills when you take the quest (like Grand Mason Stonecleaver) take the quest, abandon the quest and the skills will remain, change secondary and return you will take another free skill... repeat for all classes...

Kakumei

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

Done. Next challenge please.

SisterMercy

SisterMercy

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2005

Sisters of Mercy

Quote:
Originally Posted by sakura75
My suggestion would be:
- Doing all missions (to get skillpoints)
- Doing all quests that gives you skills as a reward (only for your primary and one secondary profession, as you cannot do the same quests more than once to get the skills)
- Doing the high XP reward quests (Glint's quest = 20k, fast Ascension = 50k bonus, etc)
- Doing quest in UW and FoW (limited since your region does not always have the favor and you need to play 1k for entrance)
Do #2 especially. I find that saves a lot of the required XP. And I've unlocked all N, Me & Mo skills so far (& over 3/4 of Ele before the nerf made me decide to delete her.)

Pevil Lihatuh

Pevil Lihatuh

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Yorkshire, UK

R/Me

Call me insane but I actually intend to unlock all 8 professions skills on all 8 of my chars... yeah, I know, lol. It's gonna take me ages though, especially as I don't bother farming too much anymore... but it'll keep me interested in the game, whether I finally do it or not

Avarre

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

Quote:
Originally Posted by Makkert
(shame spelling isn't Racthoh's greatest asset)
Don't we know it



Anyways, I'm UAS on mesmer, one of the few... currently saving up points for factions.

GraceAlone

GraceAlone

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Phoenix, AZ

Semper Reformanda [SeRe]

The way I have done it is this: select three primaries that I enjoy (w/e, r/me, mo/n) and play through the game three times. With this setup you're able to do all the skill reward quests, plus get all the skill points through normal play through. This of course only works for unlocking on one account, but not for one individual character. A lot faster this way and also leaves one slot open for PvP

I've got all the warrior skills (except elites) unlocked and almost all the ranger skills (my first character was actually a W/R).

darkMishkin

darkMishkin

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

UK

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by sakura75
Let's say you wanted unlock all the 450 skills (actually less, since some skills are only available for primary professions only)
For example....

wheel

wheel

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

Topeka, Kansas

Tyrian Fo Lyfe [word]

Quote:
Originally Posted by sakura75
Let's say you wanted unlock all the 450 skills (actually less, since some skills are only available for primary professions only)
You can unlock primary attribute only skills on a character that only has a profession as their secondary. IE a Mo/W unlocking Strength.

gabrial heart

gabrial heart

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Las Vegas

Beautiful Peoples Club [LIPO]

Mo/Me

First of all, if you only used one character (say a pvp character) then yes, but since pvp only characters can BUY all there skills talking about exprience and skill points is silly. Also, doing the skills quests pre and post searing would give you almost all you basic skills without gaining exp, without spending skill points... the amount of exp/skill points needed is drastically reduced!

Secondly, most people have at least 2 characters. I'm not going to do the math, but basically you can unlock all your skills (elites as well) using only 2 characters and changing their secondaries. My monk alone has all the necro and monk skills unlocked, most all the warrior ones, ele and a few memer skills as well, and he's only got about 2.5 million exp!

Racthoh

Racthoh

Did I hear 7 heroes?

Join Date: May 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Avarre
Don't we know it



Anyways, I'm UAS on mesmer, one of the few... currently saving up points for factions.
Clearly you know I have to stay up till into the wee hours of the night, and sleep gets the best of me when we play.

Unlocking all the new skills for factions is probably the only other thing you can do next... on a toon who already has the 450 current ones.

sakura75

sakura75

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Netherlands

Intensive Care Unit [ICU]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Savio
A few notes to the OP:

1. At level 20, you get skill points every 15k now as opposed to 20k. This was changed a while ago (which itself was even changed from before, when you had to get an increasing number of xp each time you got another skill point. At any rate, using your calculations at 20k it's only 9 million xp to get 450 skill points, not 90 million.)
My bad > you are right. It is 9 Million.... Hmm ... 9 Million is doable...
And 15000x450= 6.75 Million XP... That is a very reasonable figure!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Savio
2. You can get the skills of a secondary in that primary attribute; for example, an R/W can get Strength-based skills. They won't be very effective though.
That's why we should unlocke them either ;-)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Savio
3. When you switch secondaries, you can do the profession-specific quests back in Ascalon and Yak's Bend. You can get an additional 12-13 skills for each secondary this way.
Really? I did not know this... thanx for the hint

Quote:
Originally Posted by Savio
4. Switching secondaries itself unlocks a few starter skills; I don't remember which exact ones you unlock.
That s true

Quote:
Originally Posted by Savio
5. You get one skill point from the Pre-Searing quest Tithe for Ashford Abbey, 1 skill point for each level up, and 1 skill point for each of the 24 PvE missions. That's 44 free skill points.
450-44=406

Quote:
Originally Posted by Savio
After all that, you should have around 280 skill points you have to earn. That's 4.2 million exp, or 4,340,600 experience including the experience it takes to get to level 20.
Let s say 15000x406=6.09 Million XP... still a few millions to go

Ghozer

Ghozer

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Sheffield, England, UK

Super Cute And Fluffy [scF]

E/

I have EVERYTHING Unlocked Except about 9 Warrior skills, and about 15 elites (useless ones that are never used)..

this isnt including the new Assassin/Ritualist skills, or the new skills for the current professions....

I unlocked the larger majority of them with faction from PvPing i think i only have like 400k XP on my main character, and about 120k on my other...

MadOnion

MadOnion

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

But Ghozer, that's not on one character, that's the true challenge.

I have every single skill unlocked, but they're spread across characters.

Hired Blade

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

Oregon USA

Leader Of (Hired Souls)

W/

I havent had any problem with skill points for my RolePlay, but i may run into some. I want to unlock the skills for W/anything so that i can switch builds at will. So far I got W/Mo and W/R pretty much done. lookin into W/E next. The money is more of a pain 1k a skill wether u cap it or not. =)

Racthoh

Racthoh

Did I hear 7 heroes?

Join Date: May 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hired Blade
The money is more of a pain 1k a skill wether u cap it or not. =)
Trust me, you'll be thankful later that the price was reduced.

Savio

Savio

Teenager with attitude

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

Quote:
Originally Posted by sakura75
450-44=406



Let s say 15000x406=6.09 Million XP... still a few millions to go
I didn't mention the skills you get for your primary and first secondary playing the quests the first time through. Also, there are still the other sources of free skills, which reduces it to about 280 or so that you must buy. Of course, you could simply choose to forgo those quests and unlock them all via skillpoints, but why do that when as a level 20 you can go back and solo all these quests?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Racthoh
Trust me, you'll be thankful later that the price was reduced.
Tell me about it; I'd be broke right now trying to unlock all skills if it was that way.

cuevas

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

i just unlocked all the elites (capped em all) good enough for me

sakura75

sakura75

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Netherlands

Intensive Care Unit [ICU]

Wow

I think I need to hire someone to power level me. I still need 5 Mil XP to go.

'Looking for Powerleveler 10k per skill point'

Tainek

Tainek

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

[Rage]

Now a REAL challange (which probably isnt possible) would be to get every skill in the game via cap sigs only.........

lg5000

lg5000

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Australia

Quote:
Originally Posted by cuevas
i just unlocked all the elites (capped em all) good enough for me
Congrats

KamikazeChicken

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

My ranger and warrior have every skill for their primary profession; that's just one of the more anal requirements of making a character PvP ready. :X

Savio

Savio

Teenager with attitude

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tainek
Now a REAL challange (which probably isnt possible) would be to get every skill in the game via cap sigs only.........
You couldn't technically get *all* skills via capping, as you must complete the primary and secondary profession quests in Pre-Searing, which will give you a few skills. Throwing out those though, I think there are a few skills not available from any boss, like Res Signet. I'm not entirely sure on that though, but it'd be a huge waste of time to check every single boss for every single skill. Grinding for a few hundred extra skill points doesn't sound like a challenge anyway, just a borefest. Unless it was the *old* way of capping skills - which would then be a total nightmare.

Racthoh

Racthoh

Did I hear 7 heroes?

Join Date: May 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Savio
Unless it was the *old* way of capping skills - which would then be a total nightmare.
Anyone who had to cap Ferocious Strike under the old system is most thankful they made that change.