Problem With Secondary Profession Skill Quests

Coolniceronguy

Coolniceronguy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

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So after acquiring all skills for my Mesmer/Monk, I decided to go back earlier in the game and do my other secondary profession skill quests. However, I noticed a bug in the game. After completing a quest, you can go back and get your xp and skills. But if your secondary profession does not match, you only get the xp, not the skills, even after changing your secondary over to the one that does.

Regardless of whether my secondary matches or not, I strongly feel that I should be getting these skills. I would report this to ANet, but I am uncertain how to do that, hence I posted it here.

Matsumi

Matsumi

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

If I read this right, I would think it's about not being able to go back and get all your skills after changing your secondary profession. If so, I have done this a few times also.

I recently changed my secondary profession of my mesmer, and thought I could go back and do all the little quests again that offer skills for completing them. Turned out that there were only a few quests I could get out of the begining and one from yaks bend that offered me skills. The rest I'm thinking I'll have to shell out 1k a piece for, which is kind of annoying. because I don't have that many skill points or cash to get them all.

Shadow X

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Apr 2006

Mo/

i have also noticed that. I had my W/E (don't asK) throughout the entire game. After i ascend I switched to monk, then realized alot of the quests that SHOULD give you skills from both my secondary and my primary professions weren't there, sometimes not even the items, just the xp.

Coolniceronguy

Coolniceronguy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

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When the secondary profession matches, you always get the skills. You can also start another quest, upon which the one you just finished is a prerequisite, EVEN when your secondary does not match.

Coolniceronguy

Coolniceronguy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow X
i have also noticed that. I had my W/E (don't asK) throughout the entire game. After i ascend I switched to monk, then realized alot of the quests that SHOULD give you skills from both my secondary and my primary professions weren't there, sometimes not even the items, just the xp. You need to change to the matching secondary to start. Then you can do all of them.

Matsumi

Matsumi

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Coolniceronguy
You need to change to the matching secondary to start. Then you can do all of them. So, if I change back to my original secondary, then switch back again, I can do the quests?

Coolniceronguy

Coolniceronguy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

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Example:

I started as a mesmer/monk.

Acquired all skills for primary and secondary monk class. Did all secondary profession quests in desert.

Changed secondary to ranger. Talked to Master Ranger Nente to start the Char Patrol quest.

Change secondary to warrior. Complete Char Patrol quest. Receive xp but not skills for ranger. You can also start The Charr Staging Area(the prerequisite to which is The Char Patrol) even when your secondary is not ranger.

Winterclaw

Winterclaw

Wark!!!

Join Date: May 2005

Florida

W/

It would be nice if you could go back to the guy who gave you the quest to begin with and he'd just give you the skill seeing as how you completed the mission one... but alas.

Farming and XP scrolls will be your friend unless things change. :|

Coolniceronguy

Coolniceronguy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Winterclaw
It would be nice if you could go back to the guy who gave you the quest to begin with and he'd just give you the skill seeing as how you completed the mission one... but alas.

Farming and XP scrolls will be your friend unless things change. :| I think your missing my point. If I were to change my secondary from warrior to ranger, THEN talk to Nente, I would receive the skills, but not if my secondary was warrior.

The whole point to doing a skills quest is to get the skills. Hence my firmly maintaining that Secondary Profession Skills quests earlier in the game are bugged.

Matsumi

Matsumi

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

well, right, why would master ranger nente give you skills for his quest when he's a ranger and gives out ranger skills? If your secondary is warrior, then you would talk to the warrior npc hanging out outside ascalon city. It sort of goes back to the idea of the trainers in pre-searing, as a ranger, you run into these guys, and they give you skills in pre-searing. In post they still give you quests, and skills attached if they were once a trainer before the searing. As like Gazden the Protector or whatever, and the necromancer ones in sardalac. Am I still not understanding?

Coolniceronguy

Coolniceronguy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

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Just to update you guys. I went back with my warrior and acquired all the secondary skills with the quests. It can be done. But for someone who likes to change their secondary alot, you can get gipped out of the skills unless your secondary class matches with the quest reward.

frickett

frickett

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Shinigami Keys [SHIN]

R/Mo

I dont think I would expect to get ranger skills when i am a mesmer/warrior.

Coolniceronguy

Coolniceronguy

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Calgary, Alberta, Canada

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Quote:
Originally Posted by frickett
I dont think I would expect to get ranger skills when i am a mesmer/warrior. Would you expect to even be able to accept the quest reward, or start the follow up quest when your secondary does not even match?

Winterclaw

Winterclaw

Wark!!!

Join Date: May 2005

Florida

W/

*shrugs*

Until they change it, live and learn then. You finished the quest so you are due the reward. If you've changed classes since then, it's not the quest giver's fault. Contact Anet's support.

Coolniceronguy

Coolniceronguy

Frost Gate Guardian

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Calgary, Alberta, Canada

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Well, just to update you guys on my efforts, I offer the following:


Customer (Ron Meints)04/05/2006 03:36 PM

I am quite certain I have discovered a number of bugs with the Secondary Profession Skills Quests.

A post that fairly well explains my experience with this issue:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3003579

I am making this post/question with the hopes to get in contact with somebody in NC/ArenaNet to go over this issue, and hopefully rectify the problem.

Thank you for your attention.


Response (GM Zenersha)04/05/2006 05:31 PM

Hello Ron,

Thank you for contacting the Guild Wars Support team on this. I am a little unclear on what it is you are trying to report. Can you please give us a detailed summary of the issue that you would like us to look into?

If you are trying to say that when your secondary is, for example, a Ranger and you complete a quest that rewards Ranger skills, but change your profession to Warrior (or any other secondary) before turning in that quest and as a result do not receive the Ranger skills when you do turn it in, this issue is not a bug. The game is working as designed.

Please feel free to share your suggestions or feedback about any matter on the fansite forums listed at http://www.guildwars.com/community/fansites/. The game developers frequently check fansite message boards to obtain feedback and suggestions players may have concerning these types of issues.

However, if this is not what you are reporting, please respond in great detail and we will be more than happy to assist you.

Regards,
The Guild Wars Support Team


Customer (Ron Meints)04/05/2006 05:49 PM

Would you not expect to receive the skills when you change your secondary over to the other profession. That is the whole point to doing a skill quest, to get the skills, regardless if it presently your secondary or not. Additionally, the second follow-up quest(upon which the first is a pre-requisite) can be started while your secondary does not match the skill quest. This all seems quite strange to me, it would seem more natural that a person would either receive the skills(because you already have the other secondary, just not presently), or making it mandatory to having the secondary match when accepting the quest reward.


Response (GM Zenersha)04/06/2006 09:57 AM

Hello Ron,

Thank you for getting back to us with this additional information.

We appreciate you sharing your concerns with us on this potential issue. As previously stated, this issue is in fact not a bug, and that the game is working as designed. Even though you can continue and acquire any follow-up quests after the initial quest has been completed, that is, at this moment, by design.

I would again like to encourage you to please continue to share your suggestions, concerns, and/or feedback about this and any other matter on the fansite forums. The game developers frequently check fansite message boards to obtain feedback and suggestions players may have concerning these exact types of issues.

Please contact us if you need further assistance.

Thank you,
The Guild Wars Support Team


Customer (Ron Meints)04/06/2006 11:49 AM

Hmmm... well I may have incorrectly classified it as a bug. However, in my honest opinion, there is a flaw in the design. Not receiving skills in a skills quest goes against the spirit of a skill quest.

Anyways, I guess I'll just leave it at that. Thank you for responding to my inquiry, Zenersha.


Response (GM Bon)04/06/2006 12:06 PM

Hello Ron,

Thank you for contacting Guild Wars Support again. We are happy to have been of service in detailing the skills tree application for you. If however, you feel that this is a design flaw, you can always post a suggestion or feedback on fansite forum. This is one of the best ways to make sure that the developers see them.

In fact, discussing your suggestions on public message boards can often be more beneficial than directly contacting the Guild Wars team. We ask for players to share feedback or ideas on the message boards because the resulting discussions can quickly give us a broader perspective than one-on-one conversations.

Even though you may not receive a direct response to a post, the developers check the forums regularly, and this allows them to get a feel for the issues and features that are most important to the players.

Kind Regards,

The Guild Wars Support Team

]SK[

]SK[

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

Nottingham, UK

GV

W/

I can see both sides, but I think I agree more with ANET.

Asrial

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Centurion Guard

Mo/E

I agree that the game is working as intended. Take your time instead of trying to bam it all out at once.

Coolniceronguy

Coolniceronguy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

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While everyone is entitled to there opinion, I recommend to you people to do what I did, THEN you will be well qualified to have an opinion.

Asrial

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Centurion Guard

Mo/E

Why would I do it in a way that doesn't make sense and I would expect failure in doing?

Plenty of us have done the secondary change to nab the free quests.

Coolniceronguy

Coolniceronguy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

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That's my point, I did not fail at anything. A person later in the game has the option to change their secondary class, and that is exactly what I did. But doing so while completing skill quests earlier on in the game, results in a player not being granted skill rewards which they are entitled to.

ange1

ange1

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

i agree, you should get the skill regardless, it's a designe flaw

sabretalon

sabretalon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

Saints Or Sinners [SOS]

N/W

Let me get this straight!

You went to a quest giver as say Me/R and got the ranger quest? Then, when you came back to the quest giver you have changed from Me/R to Me/W?

If so then how would the quest giver know that you had used your Ranger skills etc.. to complete the quest?

It sounds simple to me, change your secondary first, see the quest giver, complete the quest and get the skills? Not, change secondary, see quest giver, change secondary, complete the quest and then expect to get skills for a character that was not using the right secondary for the right skill set!

Or am I being simple here?

Coolniceronguy

Coolniceronguy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

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Quote:
Originally Posted by sabretalon
Let me get this straight!

You went to a quest giver as say Me/R and got the ranger quest? Then, when you came back to the quest giver you have changed from Me/R to Me/W?

If so then how would the quest giver know that you had used your Ranger skills etc.. to complete the quest?

It sounds simple to me, change your secondary first, see the quest giver, complete the quest and get the skills? Not, change secondary, see quest giver, change secondary, complete the quest and then expect to get skills for a character that was not using the right secondary for the right skill set!

Or am I being simple here? Yes, you are being simple.

When given the quest, it is clearly stated that skills are granted as a reward. However, if a person is partial to changing their secondary frequently, they can be unknowingly penalized, until it is too late, for thinking outside the box.

sabretalon

sabretalon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

Saints Or Sinners [SOS]

N/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Coolniceronguy
Yes, you are being simple.

When given the quest, it is clearly stated that skills are granted as a reward. However, if a person is partial to changing their secondary frequently, they can be unknowingly penalized, until it is too late, for thinking outside the box. I don't think it is me being simple here?

You go and change your secondary then you get a quest for that secondary but then you change your secondary again! Therefore you should not have access to the previous secondary sub quests! Why would a ranger give a warrior, ranger skills?

Frankenstein_Drag_Queen

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Apr 2006

The Servants of Prometheus

R/E

when you switch your secondary proffesion, whatever skills you have unlocked before (from previous characters or from pvp) are available to you as soon as you have changed your second proffesion. I think anyway...

Badger2

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/

If you go to a ranger skill quest giver as say...a mes/war as opposed to mes/r, why would you expect to get ranger skills? After all, you aren't equiped with anything ranger.

frickett

frickett

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Shinigami Keys [SHIN]

R/Mo

You can only get skills for a profession that you are using at the moment. That is simple.

Coolniceronguy

Coolniceronguy

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Join Date: Nov 2005

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Frankenstein_Drag_Queen
when you switch your secondary proffesion, whatever skills you have unlocked before (from previous characters or from pvp) are available to you as soon as you have changed your second proffesion. I think anyway... One does not. Hence my surprise after completing the quests, changing my secondary, and noticing that I did not receive the skills.

To further clarrify, this design flaw(in my opinion), occurs on any of the skill quests. I was simply using the mesmer/ranger ----> mesmer/warrior switch as an example.

Asrial

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Centurion Guard

Mo/E

I can't believe you're still harping on this issue.

Listen, mechanically, it's most likely because you're given the ability to use the skill as you get it as a reward.

Do you think the game designers intended a M/W to have R skills at any given point in time?

Were you thinking outside the box? Who cares. We'll say yes.

Is your way the true correct way it should be done? No.

Is my way the true correct way it should be done? No.

Is it going to be changed? No.

Is it worth banging your head into a wall? No.

Coolniceronguy

Coolniceronguy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Asrial
I can't believe you're still harping on this issue.

Listen, mechanically, it's most likely because you're given the ability to use the skill as you get it as a reward.

Do you think the game designers intended a M/W to have R skills at any given point in time?

Were you thinking outside the box? Who cares. We'll say yes.

Is your way the true correct way it should be done? No.

Is my way the true correct way it should be done? No.

Is it going to be changed? No.

Is it worth banging your head into a wall? No.
Blah, blah, blah.

Spoken like a true person who has not excersized their rights to change their secondary as they see fit.

Freedom.

Please do what I did, then come back at me with the same deameanor.

Heart.

This is the important word. After completing early skill quests as I have done, then tell me how you feel.

Asrial

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Centurion Guard

Mo/E

Okay, here's EXACTLY how "I" would feel if I did it your way: "Damn, why didn't I get my skills as a reward? Well, aren't I the dumbass for switching before getting the reward. Damnit. What a pain."

Sorry for being so blunt, but.. you're just bemoaning the fact that you and the other 1% that have done it this way, are being inconvenianced. I for one would HATE to see the developers put time into fixing THIS when there are so many other things that give you the freedom and heart you want.

..but then, maybe the difference between you and I is that you put too MUCH heart into this game *shrugs*.

If you're looking for everyone to go "ZOMG, I completely agree with you! Let's start a petition and circle jerk all night!".....

Beat_Go_Stick

Beat_Go_Stick

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

Wait...so correct me if I'm wrong here but it seems to me that the only reason he didn't get his skills is because he went to a Ranger specific NPC, got a Ranger quest, completed it as a Warrior, and then didn't switch back before talking to the NPC again, correct?

If he had talked to an NPC that had a Mesmer skill and a secondary skill as the reward, he went and got the quest as a Me/R, changed to Me/W, completed the quest, and gone back to the NPC, he would have gotten the Mesmer skill AND the Warrior skill, correct?

I ask because I have a clean lvl 20 R/Me who I will change to Rt once Factions comes out and then go back to farm the Rt skills quickly. I want to make sure that will still work

It makes sense to me. If a Necro gives you a quest to teach you Necro skills and you come back but have given up being a Necro, how could he teach you anything? You can no longer learn it because it's impossible for you to have the skill.

nova-exarch

nova-exarch

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

Let me see if I have everything correct...

My example:

A Warrior/Ranger begins quest X where the reward is a Ranger skill.

The W/R then switches to Warrior/Monk.

The W/M then finishes quest X, goes to collect the PROMISED reward and gets NOTHING?

Yeah, that's wrong. The reward was promised. It should be given regardless.

--

Thanks for the heads up on the messed up system.

Lucky me, I usually go for skill quests and finish them ASAP.

They're my little mini-level/reward system/short term goals so I never let them go unfinished for long. I guess that's a good thing given that I am now thinking about switching secondaries.

Coolniceronguy

Coolniceronguy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

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Quote:
Originally Posted by nova-exarch
Let me see if I have everything correct...

My example:

A Warrior/Ranger begins quest X where the reward is a Ranger skill.

The W/R then switches to Warrior/Monk.

The W/M then finishes quest X, goes to collect the PROMISED reward and gets NOTHING?

Yeah, that's wrong. The reward was promised. It should be given regardless.

-- Correct. This will also happen on any of the profession-specific skills quest, not just the Ranger one. It was just one example.