Yes, I know it only lasts for 5 seconds. But if you're a monk, for example, it may be important to communicate to your teammates WHY you are not doing anything to help yourself or others during that time.
I would like to suggest adding a Blackout icon to the upper left when you have been blacked out.
I have Blackout on me!
Sofonisba
LightningHell
Why don't you yell in TS or Vent?
studentochaos
Considering no monsters use it on you I can't see why saying "blackout on 8" over vent is so crazy?
Sofonisba
So.... is that a /notsigned?
Why be able to call out Spiteful or Empathy or Migraine or Blind or Crippled or anything else except Blackout? Why not make people call ALL of it out on Vent or TS? I just wonder why Blackout must be different than any other effect on you (apart from the fact that it cannot be removed).
Do you get on Vent/TS with your random arena teammates? Nah, I guess folks who worry about Blackout are always in HoH.
Why be able to call out Spiteful or Empathy or Migraine or Blind or Crippled or anything else except Blackout? Why not make people call ALL of it out on Vent or TS? I just wonder why Blackout must be different than any other effect on you (apart from the fact that it cannot be removed).
Do you get on Vent/TS with your random arena teammates? Nah, I guess folks who worry about Blackout are always in HoH.
fiery
Actually this would be good, say in GVG when a monk calls blackout you have to fall back a bit and let him kite so he won't be spiked.
Zui
If your team mates can't see that you're blacked out, don't notice the mesmer running up to you and using black out, or don't know what blackout is... Will telling them that you're blacked out really help anything? :P
As for GvG/HoH, same applies, and if your team mates don't see it there, you'll be on TS/Vent anyway...
No excuse for someone missing it in RA or TA..
As for GvG/HoH, same applies, and if your team mates don't see it there, you'll be on TS/Vent anyway...
No excuse for someone missing it in RA or TA..
fiery
How can you stay looking at your monk and watching position and the battle all at the same time. Your doing your job, you alert your teammates when your handicapped with blackout.
Watch the Mesmer run up and black out you? What happens if your all in a tight ball attacking each other, and it's NOT always a Mesmer doing the black out, Rangers.
Watch the Mesmer run up and black out you? What happens if your all in a tight ball attacking each other, and it's NOT always a Mesmer doing the black out, Rangers.
Glitched
I play in the RA frequently, and think this could be helpful. /signed 
Lexar
I'll sign this. We have a monk that will tell us every little detail of what he's doing, so if he could ctrl-click it, it would be great 
/signed
/signed
calamitykell
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Why be able to call out Spiteful or Empathy or Migraine or Blind or Crippled or anything else except Blackout? Why not make people call ALL of it out on Vent or TS?
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Blind and Crippled are both conditions. Conditions can be removed. Calling the conditions out alerts allies with condition removal.
Blackout is Blackout. Blackout can not be removed. Calling the Blackout out would alert your team you are blacked out. Wait, what?
It can't be removed, so honestly, calling it out in chat is just spam. If you're in an organized PvP (TA, HA, GvG), best organization and cooperation come with teamwork. Simply saying "damn, blacked out" on TS/Vent is easier, faster, and cleaner than ctrl+spam.
If you're worried about RA, just remember it's RA, and nobody really cares.
Align
Calling the Blackout out would alert your team that you can't, say, provide any healing for a few seconds. That sounds pretty important to me, regardless of organization level.
Vilaptca
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Why be able to call out Spiteful or Empathy or Migraine or Blind or Crippled or anything else except Blackout? Why not make people call ALL of it out on Vent or TS? I just wonder why Blackout must be different than any other effect on you (apart from the fact that it cannot be removed).
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If anything, I think you should be suggesting, that skills or spells with some sort of effect on you that lasts for a period of time be able to be called just like a Hex/Condition/Enchantment. Much like when you walk through Tar in Ascalon.
Vilaptca
Sofonisba
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All those that you listed are Hexes or Conditions. With Blackout being a skill.
If anything, I think you should be suggesting, that skills or spells with some sort of effect on you that lasts for a period of time be able to be called just like a Hex/Condition/Enchantment. Much like when you walk through Tar in Ascalon. Vilaptca |
Vilaptca
Yes, but you only said Blackout. I think it'd be a silly update to see "Made it so you can call that you have Blackout on you." When there are many other spells and skills that could have been added to this as well.
I just assumed you really only meant Blackout.
Vilaptca
I just assumed you really only meant Blackout.
Vilaptca
JR
If you care enough about the effects of Blackout to make a thread about it, you should be using Vent/TS anyway.
Samueldg
/signed
not everyone can use ts/vent ( there are a LOT of deaf people who play..)
not everyone can use ts/vent ( there are a LOT of deaf people who play..)
Wretchman Drake
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I'll sign this. We have a monk that will tell us every little detail of what he's doing, so if he could ctrl-click it, it would be great
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/signed
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If you care enough about the effects of Blackout to make a thread about it, you should be using Vent/TS anyway.
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Myodato
It should be called over ts/vent, but as long as it's very clear that it's not a hex (and therefore not removalable), I don't see how it would hurt to have a clickable icon for it.
Can't see it being high up Anet's to do list though.
Can't see it being high up Anet's to do list though.
drowningfish999
/signed
There's not really a reason it SHOULDN'T be implemented, so why not? And not everyone has a mic or a ts/vent server, or chooses to use them for that matter.
There's not really a reason it SHOULDN'T be implemented, so why not? And not everyone has a mic or a ts/vent server, or chooses to use them for that matter.
Teh Mighty Warrior
/notsigned
Why? Because I don't think blackout was created for you to easily alert your teamates. It was made to disrupt a player's skills/spells, if you were able to call it out, everyone would just fall back for a second, and then blackout would have no effect.
Why? Because I don't think blackout was created for you to easily alert your teamates. It was made to disrupt a player's skills/spells, if you were able to call it out, everyone would just fall back for a second, and then blackout would have no effect.
Wacky
Spectral Agony is a skill, not a hex, condition , or enchantment, and it still shows up as an icon, but you can call it.
Sofonisba
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Yes, but you only said Blackout. I think it'd be a silly update to see "Made it so you can call that you have Blackout on you." When there are many other spells and skills that could have been added to this as well.
I just assumed you really only meant Blackout. Vilaptca |
It is not a huge deal, I agree. It doesn't happen very often. Which is why I don't think it's the huge spam-magnet some folks are making it out to be.
I also agree it is not high on the priority list, but at the same time, (ignorant non-programmer speaking) I don't think a lot of effort would have to go into it to implement.
Didn't expect there to be such huge opposition to what would be a very small yet occasionally very useful change, though.
As for it somehow causing your teammates to "hang back" - no. I don't think it would do that at all. If you are in the middle of battle, which you would be if someone got close enough to use Blackout in the first place, I don't think it would be time enough to completely change strategy to compensate.
ALL it is, is a way to quickly let your teammates know that you won't be doing a damn thing for 5 seconds.
mint
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Spectral Agony is a skill, not a hex, condition , or enchantment, and it still shows up as an icon, but you can call it.
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drowningfish999
Maybe just let players call out that "<skill> is recharging."
Ninetail Trickster
Necro: "I have Awaken the Blood on me!"
Team: "Oh heck."
But yea... it would be nice to call it, among other things. However, I agree that Blackout is supposed to have an element of surprise, and thus was probably not made callable for a reason. Maybe create your own heads-up in Team Chat? I do that, sometimes, for more complex messages than 'I'm about to die!!' (IE 'I'll keep the caster down')
Whisper to a fake or offline player: "I am Blacked Out!"
Send.
Switch to the teamchat channel.
Then, when it happens, enter->up->enter.
-shrug-
Haaaaave a nice evening.
Team: "Oh heck."
But yea... it would be nice to call it, among other things. However, I agree that Blackout is supposed to have an element of surprise, and thus was probably not made callable for a reason. Maybe create your own heads-up in Team Chat? I do that, sometimes, for more complex messages than 'I'm about to die!!' (IE 'I'll keep the caster down')
Whisper to a fake or offline player: "I am Blacked Out!"
Send.
Switch to the teamchat channel.
Then, when it happens, enter->up->enter.
-shrug-
Haaaaave a nice evening.
lyra_song
I say no for the same reason that diversion and distracting shot disables are not callable.
Elena
diversion and distracting shot only deal with 1 skill blackout deals with all 8 skills all 8 a party member can use to aid youre team in combat make blackout callable!
/signed
/signed
AeroLion
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diversion and distracting shot only deal with 1 skill blackout deals with all 8 skills all 8 a party member can use to aid youre team in combat make blackout callable!
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Seriously guys, use voice chat. It makes you a better player.
shardfenix
the icons at the top are only for things that can be removed and things you put on yourself (as well as world enchantments).
You can't do anything about blackout anyway, why make it an icon? Besides, there is no coding that says it is a condition. It adds 5 seconds of recharge to all your spells, it doesn't set them to 5. There is no way to code blackout as a callable icon.
/not signed
You can't do anything about blackout anyway, why make it an icon? Besides, there is no coding that says it is a condition. It adds 5 seconds of recharge to all your spells, it doesn't set them to 5. There is no way to code blackout as a callable icon.
/not signed
Sofonisba
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"I have Power Block on me!"
Seriously guys, use voice chat. It makes you a better player. |
Seriously, stop writing off RA like it's the ugly stepchild of GW. (I thought that was lower-level arenas.
) It's a vital part of the game, both for those who have limited time to play, and for those just learning the mechanics of PvP. One thing about RA (and I do spend some time in there, such as a few minutes before work in the morning), is that you want to avoid as much abuse, from the other team as well as your own team, as possible. Monking is hard enough as it is without some asshat warrior wondering why you are not healing him or removing his Empathy that he is able to call out while you are helpless and skill-less blacked out.
You don't have to call it if you don't want to, you know.
I will take the point that it's a skill reset, not a condition. However, I stand by the suggestion as a valid one which does not disrupt the balance of the game/match/whatever, but as one which can prevent headaches for those involved when and if the situation arises, on an interpersonal level.
Eet GnomeSmasher
I agree that you could easily call it out on Vent but what the hell is with you people that say /notsigned?!
Adding this won't hurt anyone so what's the harm? It seems like some of you just get some perverse pleasure in denying useful features for other players just because you wont have a use for it.
Adding this won't hurt anyone so what's the harm? It seems like some of you just get some perverse pleasure in denying useful features for other players just because you wont have a use for it.
Kool Pajamas
I think being able to call out a recharging skill would be a better idea.
AeroLion
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Power Block and Distracting Shot are interrupts.
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Calling out that your skills are recharging is a better solution than "I am Blacked Out" or "I have been Power Blocked!".
mariano
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Power Block and Distracting Shot are interrupts. Diversion you can call out if you have time before you do your next skill.
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Diversion may be called whilst being active, but the hardest problem may be a disable skill, what can not be called.
Being under Choking Gas you may be unable to cast a single spell, what can not be called.
I think that you may write a short message in the chat, like: "black out", "diversion", "all disable", "choking gas", ... or try start using: BO, D, AD, CG, ...
For this problem, really, I do not see the need of TS or whatever talk.
And with respect a feature to call "Black Out"... I suggest something else, a feature to call a skill of the skill bar and its relevant state. For example:
"Orison of Healing is in my skillbar"
"My Orison of Healing is disable"
"All of my skills are disable"
"Three of my skills are disable"
"All my protection skills are disable"
I think that there is still the problem of how to inform of being under Choking Gas.
Sofonisba
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And with respect a feature to call "Black Out"... I suggest something else, a feature to call a skill of the skill bar and its relevant state. For example:
"Orison of Healing is in my skillbar" "My Orison of Healing is disable" "All of my skills are disable" "Three of my skills are disable" "All my protection skills are disable" I think that there is still the problem of how to inform of being under Choking Gas. |
This would also incorporate the thread a long time ago (which I /signed) which requested some sort of call about having used up Res Sig. Again, very handy.
qwe4rty
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How can you stay looking at your monk and watching position and the battle all at the same time. Your doing your job, you alert your teammates when your handicapped with blackout.
Watch the Mesmer run up and black out you? What happens if your all in a tight ball attacking each other, and it's NOT always a Mesmer doing the black out, Rangers. |
Kais Unduli
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Originally Posted by mariano
And with respect a feature to call "Black Out"... I suggest something else, a feature to call a skill of the skill bar and its relevant state. For example:
"Orison of Healing is in my skillbar" "My Orison of Healing is disable" "All of my skills are disable" "Three of my skills are disable" "All my protection skills are disable" I think that there is still the problem of how to inform of being under Choking Gas. |
With this little provision added. Great idea.