ok i was wandering if any1 has bin able to come up with a team build to farm the greens in tombswith 4ppl or less, i say 4 cus its half of a group and better drops ^^ .
me and a few frends have rouphly come up with a 4 man build, im not saying the skills or even the classes used for this
on the account that it is a high chance the green drops will get nerfd even more
so just post of u have indeed come up with a build or not cus im interested to see if ppl have actualy tried to come up with a build for farm tombs with 4ppl or less and is more or a little less effective than b/p
note: im not asking to post ur build or any info at on about the build u have come up with thnx
tombs green farming
kooldude
lambda the great
I would imagine Warrior, Monk, Necro, Ranger or Extra monk.
Sofonisba
Unfortunately, occasionally people get booted by their ISP (or if they're a random, they might leave intentionally) and we end up having 4 out of the 8-person b/p group at the end...
It can be a challenge.
It can be a challenge.
tuperwho
Wow, people still do Ruins of Tombs? Shocking. Anyway, from my past experience, I would think 2 or 3 skilled trappers could do it. I cleared the first 2 levels with just me (trapper) and a healer and fighter henchie (who were all in all, more of a hindrance than they were a help). I know it gets a bit more messy in levels 3 and 4, but I gotta think that with some planning, it would be doable.
Worthington
same here as Sofonisba. I've been in groups that finished the last 2 levels of tombs with only 4 (2 rgrs, orders and MM). Takes longer though. Got to be extra careful.
Haggard
The only problem is the Chaos Fingers issue, as it is literally designed to be a counter for everything - otherwise something like a normal FoW 4 man thing (but altered) could work
kooldude
-lambda u got a good idea of it,considering that its peety basic team build class wise
-Sofonisba.... i dont think it realy counts if ppl leev... cus wat if the MM leevs... ur preety screwd if he leevs, the MM is the dmg base of the b/p build
-tuperwho i do know the fact that 4 trappers can easily clear tombs BUT!!! it is a hell of alot slower than b/p cus u gotta take a shite load of time seting them for them to do any real dmg
-haggard, me and my frend have found a way for 1 person can tank every single agro in any of the lvls in tombs and live.....cept for healing, i sugested self heal but he thought it would be too much for the tank to handle :P
-Sofonisba.... i dont think it realy counts if ppl leev... cus wat if the MM leevs... ur preety screwd if he leevs, the MM is the dmg base of the b/p build
-tuperwho i do know the fact that 4 trappers can easily clear tombs BUT!!! it is a hell of alot slower than b/p cus u gotta take a shite load of time seting them for them to do any real dmg
-haggard, me and my frend have found a way for 1 person can tank every single agro in any of the lvls in tombs and live.....cept for healing, i sugested self heal but he thought it would be too much for the tank to handle :P
Sofonisba
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Originally Posted by kooldude
-Sofonisba.... i dont think it realy counts if ppl leev... cus wat if the MM leevs... ur preety screwd if he leevs, the MM is the dmg base of the b/p build
Well, unfortunately it WAS the mm who got booted on the 4th level one time. 
The rangers who were still with us had to suddenly be trained to keep their pets alive! It was quite a hairy situation, but we finally got through it somehow.
(All I'm saying is, if you can get through that last bit with no mm, you could potentially do the entire thing without one, in a long, long, long, and stressful time... But it can be done.)
EDIT: Once we lost our monk fairly early on but decided to continue... I joked that I could keep everyone healed with Order of the Vampire.
(All I'm saying is, if you can get through that last bit with no mm, you could potentially do the entire thing without one, in a long, long, long, and stressful time... But it can be done.)
EDIT: Once we lost our monk fairly early on but decided to continue... I joked that I could keep everyone healed with Order of the Vampire.
dansamy
2 B/P ranger, 1 MM with Spiteful, 1 Monk
mattjones527
hmm here a thought a 55 ele/mes or mes/ele that brings anti-interupt stances and cover enchants, have a monk cast the neccesary 55 enchants (including a few cover enchants just in case). A SS necro and a maybe backup monk. (read up on fingers of chaos different effects on classes otherwise you may not understand)
no, this build has not been tested, im just throwing it out there.
I have done a 5 man build that was similar to this with friends and it had to be extremely well coordinated.
Oh and kooldude I think your being a little rude by not sharing a build but at the same time asking for one.
no, this build has not been tested, im just throwing it out there.
I have done a 5 man build that was similar to this with friends and it had to be extremely well coordinated.
Oh and kooldude I think your being a little rude by not sharing a build but at the same time asking for one.
kooldude
mattjones ur theory of haveing aan ele 55 tank with the monk useing ps and cover enchants..... the fact is weres the monks nrg for casting cover enchants and if u have the nrg there always the those huge groups of the finger that will have more than 8 of them useing there skill to remove enchants so if they use that all at once *poof* eles dead they rush u and u die..
and i dont think i am rude by not posting my build cus to be honest my frend r asking, and we all agreed to this, that we r not to post or say anything of the build until we nolonger have a use for it... and to be even more honest were thinking of scraping r current build and remaking it entierly
o and Sofonisba with ur situation yes its posible if they do leev but it will go a hel of alot slower without ur MM and/or healer tho it is ver posible to go without a healer in a b/p group,just have the orders necro spam order of vamp and maybe the rangers with a 5/1 vamp mod.. just a thought
and dansamy if u have the MM with SS too minions will drop like flys and for the minions not to drop like flys u need to take points from curse leeving SS skill not very usefull
and i dont think i am rude by not posting my build cus to be honest my frend r asking, and we all agreed to this, that we r not to post or say anything of the build until we nolonger have a use for it... and to be even more honest were thinking of scraping r current build and remaking it entierly
o and Sofonisba with ur situation yes its posible if they do leev but it will go a hel of alot slower without ur MM and/or healer tho it is ver posible to go without a healer in a b/p group,just have the orders necro spam order of vamp and maybe the rangers with a 5/1 vamp mod.. just a thought
and dansamy if u have the MM with SS too minions will drop like flys and for the minions not to drop like flys u need to take points from curse leeving SS skill not very usefull
Bu7ch
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Originally Posted by kooldude
mattjones ur theory of haveing aan ele 55 tank with the monk useing ps and cover enchants..... the fact is weres the monks nrg for casting cover enchants and if u have the nrg there always the those huge groups of the finger that will have more than 8 of them useing there skill to remove enchants so if they use that all at once *poof* eles dead they rush u and u die..
and i dont think i am rude by not posting my build cus to be honest my frend r asking, and we all agreed to this, that we r not to post or say anything of the build until we nolonger have a use for it... and to be even more honest were thinking of scraping r current build and remaking it entierly
o and Sofonisba with ur situation yes its posible if they do leev but it will go a hel of alot slower without ur MM and/or healer tho it is ver posible to go without a healer in a b/p group,just have the orders necro spam order of vamp and maybe the rangers with a 5/1 vamp mod.. just a thought
and dansamy if u have the MM with SS too minions will drop like flys and for the minions not to drop like flys u need to take points from curse leeving SS skill not very usefull Are you high? I can barely read anything you just tried to say.
and i dont think i am rude by not posting my build cus to be honest my frend r asking, and we all agreed to this, that we r not to post or say anything of the build until we nolonger have a use for it... and to be even more honest were thinking of scraping r current build and remaking it entierly
o and Sofonisba with ur situation yes its posible if they do leev but it will go a hel of alot slower without ur MM and/or healer tho it is ver posible to go without a healer in a b/p group,just have the orders necro spam order of vamp and maybe the rangers with a 5/1 vamp mod.. just a thought
and dansamy if u have the MM with SS too minions will drop like flys and for the minions not to drop like flys u need to take points from curse leeving SS skill not very usefull Are you high? I can barely read anything you just tried to say.
kooldude
i no my spelling is bad but its not that hard to read so the real question is r u high???!!! 0.o
but if ur refering to my random swich in topic its cus im replying to a different post
but if ur refering to my random swich in topic its cus im replying to a different post
Bu7ch
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Originally Posted by kooldude
i no my spelling is bad but its not that hard to read so the real question is r u high???!!! 0.o
but if ur refering to my random swich in topic its cus im replying to a different post i r n0t hi. o.O
Honestly, it's not a chat room. It's ok to spell things out so that everyone can read what you're attempting to say.
but if ur refering to my random swich in topic its cus im replying to a different post i r n0t hi. o.O
Honestly, it's not a chat room. It's ok to spell things out so that everyone can read what you're attempting to say.
kooldude
i must honestly say that if u realy dont have anything to contribute or just plain talk about the topic theres no real point on posting anything. thats all im saying
Bu7ch
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Originally Posted by kooldude
i must honestly say that if u realy dont have anything to contribute or just plain talk about the topic theres no real point on posting anything. thats all im saying
Ok here:
A guildie did tell me he ran in a 4man trapping group down there and did well; not sure about the drops because I didn't ask (I already had my fair share of greens).
A guildie did tell me he ran in a 4man trapping group down there and did well; not sure about the drops because I didn't ask (I already had my fair share of greens).
kooldude
thnx for posting sumthing on topic and not flaming my spelling >_<
but ya trapper group i honsetly would say that they should cound...............first of all u gotta wait for like 2 minutes each fight setting traps...personaly for me thats too long.
but ya trapper group i honsetly would say that they should cound...............first of all u gotta wait for like 2 minutes each fight setting traps...personaly for me thats too long.
kooldude
uh havnt asked my guildy if hes up for this but me and him r lacking the ppl to test the build so if any of u think ur up to the challange and willing to be amazed 
post or send me a private msg but note if u r selected i will post whom will be selected and they will not be allowed to post the build or anything about the build without me or my guildys permission
NOTE: this all depends on wether or not my guildys agrees to this. if it does go thru i will only be needing 2 volunteers
post or send me a private msg but note if u r selected i will post whom will be selected and they will not be allowed to post the build or anything about the build without me or my guildys permissionNOTE: this all depends on wether or not my guildys agrees to this. if it does go thru i will only be needing 2 volunteers
Sofonisba
I’m not trying to flame you, I’m just seeking clarification.
My first understanding was that you were asking whether 4 people could complete Tombs. The answer is obviously “yes,” but every time someone said they completed Tombs with 4, you said it would take too long and “doesn’t count.”
Are you asking people if they have found a 4-person build as quick and efficient as a full 8-person b/p team?
And, are you asking just out of curiosity, or just to see whether your mysterious build idea has been thought of before?
So, perhaps you can rephrase your original question? Thanks.
My first understanding was that you were asking whether 4 people could complete Tombs. The answer is obviously “yes,” but every time someone said they completed Tombs with 4, you said it would take too long and “doesn’t count.”
Are you asking people if they have found a 4-person build as quick and efficient as a full 8-person b/p team?
And, are you asking just out of curiosity, or just to see whether your mysterious build idea has been thought of before?
So, perhaps you can rephrase your original question? Thanks.
kooldude
as it says in my original post i said has any1 thought of a build that is 4 man and is just as fast or even faster than b/p group
i say that a 4 man trapper doesnt count b/c of the time u gotta take to set the traps,like dont get me wrong it can get the job dun for any1 new to tombs but face it, its slow. and 4 man group made from ppl leeving..... c'mon u start with 8 ppl and get thru lvl 1 maybe 2 with a full group..... then ppl leev thats not realy 4 man farming tombs,u still get sum proggress with 8 ppl befor u get down to 4 + theres the fact that if ur MM or monk leevs
i say that a 4 man trapper doesnt count b/c of the time u gotta take to set the traps,like dont get me wrong it can get the job dun for any1 new to tombs but face it, its slow. and 4 man group made from ppl leeving..... c'mon u start with 8 ppl and get thru lvl 1 maybe 2 with a full group..... then ppl leev thats not realy 4 man farming tombs,u still get sum proggress with 8 ppl befor u get down to 4 + theres the fact that if ur MM or monk leevs
Sofonisba
I am a stickler for my own spelling, but I usually don’t criticize other people’s.
I will, however, recommend everyone give their own posts a once-over to make sure it’s saying what you think it’s saying, before hitting “Submit.”
If your original post had been a tad more coherent, I would never have contributed to this thread now that it is a little more clear what it’s about. Sorry to waste your time.
I will, however, recommend everyone give their own posts a once-over to make sure it’s saying what you think it’s saying, before hitting “Submit.”
If your original post had been a tad more coherent, I would never have contributed to this thread now that it is a little more clear what it’s about. Sorry to waste your time.
tuperwho
I don't think it's realistic to be asking for a 4 man build that's just as efficient as the (arguably) fastest 8 man build out there. Of course it will take longer -- there's only half as many people. But the point is that though it's longer, the # of drops will be higher per person... just a tradeoff you have to weigh for yourself.
And as far as trapping, I don't think it's as slow as many of you do. First off, traps expire after 90 sec., not 2 min. Thus, you set traps, pull 4, 8, 20, or whatever (depending on your level of skill) and all of a sudden, 90 sec. after you started, they're all instantaneously dead. Yes, it requires you to know what you're doing, and no, it's probably not as fast as an 8 man b/p team, but it's most certainly not 2+ minutes for a kill or two, as the tone of the above posts indicate.
And as far as trapping, I don't think it's as slow as many of you do. First off, traps expire after 90 sec., not 2 min. Thus, you set traps, pull 4, 8, 20, or whatever (depending on your level of skill) and all of a sudden, 90 sec. after you started, they're all instantaneously dead. Yes, it requires you to know what you're doing, and no, it's probably not as fast as an 8 man b/p team, but it's most certainly not 2+ minutes for a kill or two, as the tone of the above posts indicate.
SiLeNt EuPhOrIa
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Originally Posted by kooldude
-Sofonisba.... i dont think it realy counts if ppl leev... cus wat if the MM leevs... ur preety screwd if he leevs, the MM is the dmg base of the b/p build
I personally feel that you are a little mistaken on this point of a B/P team.
- The B/P Rangers should be providing 70%-80% of the damage in a B/P team.
- The MM's minions should be "Meat Shields" and "Body Blockers", and basically serve as disposable tanks, but should still be providing 20%-30% of the team damage output.
The reason it becomes so dificult when the MM leaves is that it leaves the damage dealers and "Softies" (i.e. - Monk, Necro(s), etc.) open to annihilation.
When the MM leaves, which honestly sucks, pets become the only tanks, and therefore become priority #1 if you wish to have any chance of success.
I too have found a way to do 3 or 4 man runs in ToPK, but for nerf's sake, will not reveal the specifics. (Hint: The team consists of 1 tank, 1 monk, and 1-2 necros)
- The B/P Rangers should be providing 70%-80% of the damage in a B/P team.
- The MM's minions should be "Meat Shields" and "Body Blockers", and basically serve as disposable tanks, but should still be providing 20%-30% of the team damage output.
The reason it becomes so dificult when the MM leaves is that it leaves the damage dealers and "Softies" (i.e. - Monk, Necro(s), etc.) open to annihilation.
When the MM leaves, which honestly sucks, pets become the only tanks, and therefore become priority #1 if you wish to have any chance of success.
I too have found a way to do 3 or 4 man runs in ToPK, but for nerf's sake, will not reveal the specifics. (Hint: The team consists of 1 tank, 1 monk, and 1-2 necros)
kooldude
i no that it doesnt take exactly 2 minutes to set traps but it does take around 2 minutes cus 90 seconds is like 1 minute and 40 seconds, thats 20 seconds away from being 2 full minutes.
well thnx silent for the dmg info on the b/p cus personaly i never ever playd the b/p ranger just the MM,orders and monk and from wat i say once the necro leevs ur preety screwd to be honest.anf its nice to see sum feels the same way about not revealing the build..... cus sum1 repllyd "i think its rude asking for a 4 man build when u dont want to reveal ur own" c'mon if the knawledge of a 4 man build that was infact better and faster(doughtfull) than a b/p group its goina be nerf central, be realistic ppl
well thnx silent for the dmg info on the b/p cus personaly i never ever playd the b/p ranger just the MM,orders and monk and from wat i say once the necro leevs ur preety screwd to be honest.anf its nice to see sum feels the same way about not revealing the build..... cus sum1 repllyd "i think its rude asking for a 4 man build when u dont want to reveal ur own" c'mon if the knawledge of a 4 man build that was infact better and faster(doughtfull) than a b/p group its goina be nerf central, be realistic ppl
tuperwho
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Originally Posted by kooldude
90 seconds is like 1 minute and 40 seconds
/smile
/nod head
/nod head
Bu7ch
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Originally Posted by tuperwho
/smile
/nod head
lol...I was thinking the same thing
/nod head
lol...I was thinking the same thing
Crazyvietguy
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Originally Posted by kooldude
cus 90 seconds is like 1 minute and 40 seconds, thats 20 seconds away from being 2 full minutes.
LOL, im sorry i did just really laugh out loud, kooldude, no joke man, check your work sometime. At least you got the 60-40=20 right
Transluecent51
I made a whole post about this. Me and 2 guildies 3 manned this with mearly 5-6 deaths. Not too hard just answers your question. My bad, no searching the thread is here http://guildwarsguru.com/forum/showt...ighlight=Tombs .
kooldude
k so i messed up on th 1 minute 40 seconds gimme a break i was tierd as hell and i was a a school comp in the library... the librarian watches us like a dam hawk........meaning i wasnt suposed to be on guru so i had to type fast so i wasnt thinking alright
kooldude
o and trans i dont know if youv noticed but the screens rnt there
Transluecent51
They should be, I looked at it before I put the URL in and the pictures came up fine. There kinda big so it might take a lil longer on different connections.
Yeah they still work for me, just make sure the page is done loading so you know the pictures are gonna show or not.
Yeah they still work for me, just make sure the page is done loading so you know the pictures are gonna show or not.
mattjones527
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.First off as I said in the first post please read up on "Fingers of chaos" before throwing out my idea.
Fingers of chaos is a stance, it removes enchantments each hit IF "monk" is either the primary or secondary class of what it is attacking.
Against the ele class it interupts and against the mesmer class it has no added effect. That is why I said to go ele/me or me/ele WITH an anti interupt stance.
The point of the cover enchants is simply for the rare occasion in which you get hit with a shatter enchant or some other form of enchant removeal, for cover enchants the ele/mes could bring the differnt attunments.
The monk should not be having energy problems, if he was to cast essence bond on the ele/mes thats one way to gain energy, then he casts life bond(simply so damage is redirected to the monk to trigger balts spirit) and cast balts spirit on himself. In addition to that the monk can use blessed signet and if mo/mes mantra of inscriptions.
Also in my last post I noted that if energy was a problem another monk, possibly with SoJ(shield not sig), could also cast needed enchantments
So anyway kooldude now that you see idea behind the build I hope it seems like a more feasible idea to you
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kooldude
ya i see but theres still the fact that they can remove enchants..... so u gotta put alot of cover enchants... that would take up ur entire skill bar just to over 1 or 2 enchants u gotta remember the big mobs, cus from way iv herd they monster only skill they have only takes like 5 seconds to recharge or sumthin i might be thinking of duration tho...
lol and i think this thread is changin the subject from ,"post if u have a 4 man build" to wat u can do to make it posible,basicly thinking of ways to make it posible. tho im not saying its a bad thing tho
and trans i cheked the link to ur thread... still no screenies, got any ideas y i cant see them??!! 0.o
lol and i think this thread is changin the subject from ,"post if u have a 4 man build" to wat u can do to make it posible,basicly thinking of ways to make it posible. tho im not saying its a bad thing tho
and trans i cheked the link to ur thread... still no screenies, got any ideas y i cant see them??!! 0.o
dansamy
It can indeed be done with just 2 b/p rangers, 1 MM who brings spiteful spirit and 1 monk. It does take a little longer to do, but it's not that bad.
SirShadowrunner
My report :
Well, yesterday started with 8 ppl, by the time we got to the Darkness's at the end,
we lost 2 rangers, and the orders necro to lag drop-off and the mm quit when someone
insulted him in HOH, we were able clear everything out with 3 B/P rangers and the monk,
but we could not take out the darknesses, tried for a 1/2 hour, they just hit to hard,
must have a mm necro and the meat shields or is not gonna work.
Anybody else notice alot lag in this area ?????
Well, yesterday started with 8 ppl, by the time we got to the Darkness's at the end,
we lost 2 rangers, and the orders necro to lag drop-off and the mm quit when someone
insulted him in HOH, we were able clear everything out with 3 B/P rangers and the monk,
but we could not take out the darknesses, tried for a 1/2 hour, they just hit to hard,
must have a mm necro and the meat shields or is not gonna work.
Anybody else notice alot lag in this area ?????
kooldude
shadow did u lose the 4 of them on the last lvl near the bosses or did u lose over time thru the lvls of tombs??????? cus i dunno if it should be called an actual 4 man if u get to the end with all 8 and THEN lose 4 of them, but if u lost them over the lvls then good on you but the fact is u didnt even kill the bosses which if u havnt noticed.. is the whole point 
SirShadowrunner
Kooldude,
I know I was off the point, but I just wanted to add a liitle bit to the topic, since I am
really interested in Tombs atm, and I was wondering if anybody else has lag problems
in there.
We lost one ranger after the first area, then lost the 2nd ranger zoning into HoH, then
lost the orders necro after the first big fight in the beginning of HoH, and then MM quit
after clearing the first chamber in HoH. Then us 3 rangers and the monk cleared the
small second chamber and the third chamber, but could not take down any of the
darknesses, we had one almost dead, but no cigar.
very fun area, just a blast to see so many arrows flying around and the monsters
getting interrupted like crazy.....
I know I was off the point, but I just wanted to add a liitle bit to the topic, since I am
really interested in Tombs atm, and I was wondering if anybody else has lag problems
in there.
We lost one ranger after the first area, then lost the 2nd ranger zoning into HoH, then
lost the orders necro after the first big fight in the beginning of HoH, and then MM quit
after clearing the first chamber in HoH. Then us 3 rangers and the monk cleared the
small second chamber and the third chamber, but could not take down any of the
darknesses, we had one almost dead, but no cigar.
very fun area, just a blast to see so many arrows flying around and the monsters
getting interrupted like crazy.....
kooldude
lol i have no lag problems in tombs but its was funny as hell... one time my guild was on ts, and 2 of the guildys on ts went on a tombs run ..... 1 fell asleep in the middle of a tombs run and we wer yelling at him on ts..wouldnt wake LMAO!!! fell asleep at his comp so dam funny... pissed of the group so much
Transluecent51
Im gonna correct you SirShadow you dont have to have a MM to kill the Darknesses. Can be done with 1 main damage dealer, meaning non-minion man too, quite easily. We did it with no rangers also. As for lag problems...always it seems I'll get bad lag at somepoint even when theres no big mobs.