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koneko

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05 Apr 2006 at 18:24 - 1

Apple Announces Official Support for Installing Windows XP

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Boot Camp lets you install Windows XP without moving your Mac data, though you will need to bring your own copy to the table, as Apple Computer does not sell or support Microsoft Windows. Boot Camp will burn a CD of all the required drivers for Windows so you don't have to scrounge around the Internet looking for them.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/

That includes graphics drivers, folks. GRAPHICS DRIVERS. This means games. You know what that means - previous plans to upgrade my PC to an Opty165 are officially on hold. :D

chrislee149

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05 Apr 2006 at 19:03 - 2

This sounds revolutionary. I'd definately like a Mac, if this works well. Although, don't know how please MS will be. I'd think that the higher sales of Macs over PCs would overrule higher sales of Windows.

Ironic that this comes the day after this.

trevyn

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06 Apr 2006 at 08:00 - 3

Low-end Intel iMac, just installed XP with the Boot Camp thingy, and GW runs like butter, 30-60FPS, full res., everything on High. Life is good.

koneko

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06 Apr 2006 at 08:05 - 4

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Originally Posted by trevyn

Low-end Intel iMac, just installed XP with the Boot Camp thingy, and GW runs like butter, 30-60FPS, full res., everything on High. Life is good.

Screenshots of GW running in windowed mode with System Properties page up plz :D

Are the graphics drivers pretty much the same as normal Catalyst drivers (I'm assuming they are, with the Catalyst Control Center)? Or are they some funky mutilated piece of work that Apple put out? (Reading reports of low 3DMark0* scores)

NinjaKai

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06 Apr 2006 at 08:21 - 5

A Mac using XP. We have truly reached hell. -_-;

Vermilion Okeanos

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06 Apr 2006 at 08:47 - 6

I think it is quite a gamble. Anything is better than for Apple to just sit there and do nothing.

Numa Pompilius

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06 Apr 2006 at 09:10 - 7

Why would anyone want to run XP on a mac?
You get better hardware for cheaper if you buy a straight PC.
Although I suppose if you already have an intel-based Mac it might be useful.

koneko

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06 Apr 2006 at 09:25 - 8

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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

Why would anyone want to run XP on a mac?
You get better hardware for cheaper if you buy a straight PC.
Although I suppose if you already have an intel-based Mac it might be useful.

1. MacBooks look much better than those nasty "portable" bricks that made by Dell and HP.
2. See above.
3. "The OS X Experience" - if you don't understand this, just stop reading.
4. Applications that are "Windows-only"
5. Because we can. Having one computer to fit all my needs instead of having both a PC and Mac and flipping from one to the other = win.

Eugaet

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06 Apr 2006 at 16:10 - 9

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Originally Posted by trevyn

Low-end Intel iMac, just installed XP with the Boot Camp thingy, and GW runs like butter, 30-60FPS, full res., everything on High. Life is good.

This is the best thing I have ever read posted to these forums.

Now I just need to convince my Mac friends to get an Intel Mac. They've been wanting to play GW ever since I started raving about it after E3 for Everyone.

Hell, maybe I'll consider getting a Mac now.

trevyn

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06 Apr 2006 at 17:53 - 10

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Originally Posted by koneko

Screenshots of GW running in windowed mode with System Properties page up plz

Are the graphics drivers pretty much the same as normal Catalyst drivers (I'm assuming they are, with the Catalyst Control Center)? Or are they some funky mutilated piece of work that Apple put out? (Reading reports of low 3DMark0* scores)

Sure, here you go.

Looks like the normal ATI drivers, but I couldn't find the CCC--not that I really care. This guy seems to have installed the official ATI Catalyst successfully.

trevyn

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06 Apr 2006 at 19:35 - 11

Hey, I think I found the cause of the reports of low 3DMark scores. The X1600 was woefully underclocked, 313/300MHz for a chip that's supposed to be running at 470/470. Easily overclocked it to 440/576, and we should be able to get the core up even more after we have some proper fan drivers.

So, yeah, better FPS now, usually around 45-60+

koneko

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06 Apr 2006 at 20:36 - 12

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Originally Posted by trevyn

Sure, here you go.

Looks like the normal ATI drivers, but I couldn't find the CCC--not that I really care. This guy seems to have installed the official ATI Catalyst successfully.

*drools*

Thanks for the info and link on the CCC, I'll keep that in mind...strange how it's missing.

Serafita Kayin

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06 Apr 2006 at 20:37 - 13

CCC is junk anyway.

I need a better OC tool for my x1900 XTX...

Ghozer

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06 Apr 2006 at 23:05 - 14

why would you over clock a x1900 xtx??? its fast enough as it is..

and trevyn -- how can we be sure that screen shot is on a mac??

Seef II

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07 Apr 2006 at 02:14 - 15

Not many machines will have a Core Duo CPU and X1K graphics at the same time. Or, they could take a picture with a digicam and upload.

Serafita Kayin

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07 Apr 2006 at 02:20 - 16

Oblivion can bring an XTX to its knees.

And I still try to turn everything up.

trevyn

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07 Apr 2006 at 10:10 - 17

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Originally Posted by Ghozer

and trevyn -- how can we be sure that screen shot is on a mac??

Eh, there's plenty of reports that games work well on the Intel Macs, no reason why GW should be different.

Ghozer

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07 Apr 2006 at 10:34 - 18

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Originally Posted by Serafita Kayin

Oblivion can bring an XTX to its knees.

And I still try to turn everything up.

my m8 runs a x1900XTX, and has Oblivian alll on ultra high, and has around 58fps all the time, so i dunno whats up with yours

hell I have about 35fps all the time on my x1600pro

Xenrath

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07 Apr 2006 at 11:22 - 19

So anyway back on topic, this would have had far more impact if Apple let their OSX run on PCs instead. Mac hardware is somewhat more expensive than PC hardware so why would anyone want to buy a Mac to run Windows applications, when they can run the exact same apps on a far cheaper PC?

This seems to be targetted towards existing Mac owners more in that sense, or those who absolutely must use Mac specific apps.

Now, if Apple made their operating system available/runnable on ordinary PC hardware... that would have a far bigger impact, but it won't happen because people won't have a reason to buy overly expensive Mac hardware then.

As a side note, what's up with Mac fans being so snobby yeesh

ZennZero

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07 Apr 2006 at 13:27 - 20

Xenrath,

Apple is first and foremost a hardware OEM. OSX is great, but it is just a means to move hardware. iTunes is wonderful, but it is just a way to sell iPods. That is their current business model. Could they do better moving primarily to software-driven sales? Putting OSX and its apps on non-apple hardware would essentially kill their high margin hardware sales and they would be going toe-to-toe against MS and *nix.

It would be a risky move, at best. I am not saying it won't happen, but I don't think it will happen until Steve Jobs leaves.

EternalTempest

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07 Apr 2006 at 13:27 - 21

My Mac at work is up for replacement (as well as getting new PC's) I do hope it's going to be a Intel Mac so I can play with this.

This is a great thing for mac's. Agree that's it's riskey but Apple has always been bold.

trevyn

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07 Apr 2006 at 22:36 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZennZero

Apple is first and foremost a hardware OEM. OSX is great, but it is just a means to move hardware. iTunes is wonderful, but it is just a way to sell iPods. That is their current business model. Could they do better moving primarily to software-driven sales? Putting OSX and its apps on non-apple hardware would essentially kill their high margin hardware sales and they would be going toe-to-toe against MS and *nix.

It would be a risky move, at best. I am not saying it won't happen, but I don't think it will happen until Steve Jobs leaves.

Apple already tried this--Mac OS on non-Apple hardware--and it was a dismal failure. The clone makers cut into Apple's high-margin hardware sales, just like you said, and the somewhat lower-priced and more plentiful choices of the clone makers did virtually nothing to increase Apple's market share.

I think there are enough people willing to pay a small premium to try OS X and/or have the sexiest hardware on the block that this reverse approach (Windows on a Mac) will have an interesting impact.

As for Mac vs. other PC brands, would you rather have an iPod or a, uh, Dell DJ or whatever they're called? Macs have incredible design and quality compared to most PCs. Some people are willing to pay for that.

fex18

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08 Apr 2006 at 11:50 - 23

I have an ibook atm, I'm seriously thinking of getting a 20" Intel iMac! The fact is even as good as OSX is I still need windows to run a few applications fortunatly.

All i want to play is Guild Wars, mebbe WoW and a few other PC games mebbe CS. Do u guys reckon the imac will be able to run them comfortably?

trevyn

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08 Apr 2006 at 19:02 - 24

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All i want to play is Guild Wars, mebbe WoW and a few other PC games mebbe CS. Do u guys reckon the imac will be able to run them comfortably?

Yeah, a 20" iMac should have no trouble with those. You'll probably want to get at least 1GB for CS, though GW runs fine with 512.