The Best Player at each Profession?
Eden2k5
Let me play the same exact build for half a year and i'll be the best too.
Smurf_Default
Lulu owns
warrior- Im A Paladin
mesmer- Heavy Tengu Armor
monk- Soul Wedding, |i also very much like Kuntz.
ranger- hutto
i always like Kuntz
n Krieger is too koo
warrior- Im A Paladin
mesmer- Heavy Tengu Armor
monk- Soul Wedding, |i also very much like Kuntz.
ranger- hutto
i always like Kuntz
n Krieger is too koo
UltimaXtreme
ranger: me
monk: soul wedding
war: last of master
mesmer: n/a
ele: n/a
necro: n/a
hmmm... i dunno, i feel that the caster classes just don't require as much "skill" to play. most builds with those classes revolve around knowing which targets and when to shutdown or attack instead of interrupting, healing, or melee.
basically i would like to say that ranger, monk, and warrior needs skill to actually make a difference in battles, while the other 3 classes are just a display of knowledge within the game with a few minor exeptions (ie: power block mesmer etc.)
monk: soul wedding
war: last of master
mesmer: n/a
ele: n/a
necro: n/a
hmmm... i dunno, i feel that the caster classes just don't require as much "skill" to play. most builds with those classes revolve around knowing which targets and when to shutdown or attack instead of interrupting, healing, or melee.
basically i would like to say that ranger, monk, and warrior needs skill to actually make a difference in battles, while the other 3 classes are just a display of knowledge within the game with a few minor exeptions (ie: power block mesmer etc.)
Eet GnomeSmasher
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Originally Posted by Arcanis the Omnipotent
No, people who are in the observer mode have nothing to do with individual talent. Its all about how well your guild performs as a team. There could be much better people in much lower ranked guilds who just arent seen because of that fact.
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Of course there are people who are better, but since they arent in the spotlight, how can we name them or talk about them?
That's like telling people to stop talking about sports celebrities and stop admiring them because there are better athletes somewhere that are unknown. Well no kidding, Sherlock, but who cares about them if we dont know who they are?
So instead of ranting about how these people arent the best, why dont you post who YOU think is the best player and educate us? It's better than some idiotic reply of "Well, there are better players but I dont know who..."
Angelina
gw doesn't required enough skill to call a player better then another.
you are good, or you are not good. there is no "ultimate player".
you are good, or you are not good. there is no "ultimate player".
Shen Xi
right, so what makes evil/te/iB/whoever so much better than all the other teams? cos you're either good, or not, they aren't any better than other "good" layers *rolleyes*
Mimi Miyagi
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Originally Posted by Shen Xi
right, so what makes evil/te/iB/whoever so much better than all the other teams? cos you're either good, or not, they aren't any better than other "good" layers *rolleyes*
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Better builds
Better map play
Better situational awareness
Better ability to adapt to changing circumstances
Better leadership
Doesn't matter how good the player is, it's all about the leadership and teamwork. Mashing keys on a keyboard doesn't mean squat for skill in this game.
Eet GnomeSmasher
And yet more pointless "There are no best players" posts...
How many of these idiotic posts do we need? Buncha broken records...
How many of these idiotic posts do we need? Buncha broken records...
Vanquisher
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Originally Posted by Mimi Miyagi
Better Teamwork.
Better builds Better map play Better situational awareness Better ability to adapt to changing circumstances Better leadership Doesn't matter how good the player is, it's all about the leadership and teamwork. Mashing keys on a keyboard doesn't mean squat for skill in this game. |
Mimi Miyagi
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Originally Posted by Vanquisher
Actually, all those factors are ones in which someone becomes a better player.
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Go here, do this, take that, run back, split, cap, rez, press, attack this target - all of this is missing from observer mode. For all anyone knows, the players mentioned could simply be trained monkeys.
So judging people in this game based on observing a match doesn't provide anyone with any real insight into who is "better" than another.
People thought Brett Farve was the best QB currently playing - until his offensive line became a joke. Suddenly Brett Farve looks like some deer in the headlights rookie, losing 85% of their games in a season. Does that mean Brett Farve is any less better than he was when he won the SB? How would you know? Or, was he great because his supporting cast around him 8 years ago that much better and masked his poor play?
jules
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Originally Posted by Mimi Miyagi
People thought Brett Farve was the best QB currently playing - until his offensive line became a joke. Suddenly Brett Farve looks like some deer in the headlights rookie, losing 85% of their games in a season. Does that mean Brett Farve is any less better than he was when he won the SB? How would you know? Or, was he great because his supporting cast around him 8 years ago that much better and masked his poor play?
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Since it's way OT I'm going to stop myself from jumping to defend Favre and the Packers.Being a good team player is very much a skill in itself. You can be a great solo player but you won't survive long in a great team (like a GvG top 8) unless you have good teamwork too.
Mimi Miyagi
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Originally Posted by jules
Ouch that 4-12 season still hurts.
Since it's way OT I'm going to stop myself from jumping to defend Favre and the Packers.Being a good team player is very much a skill in itself. You can be a great solo player but you won't survive long in a great team (like a GvG top 8) unless you have good teamwork too. |
And we don't need to establish the best "teams".
Iskrah
Do you play sports Mimi Miyagi? Because if you do, based on what I read from your ideas of what's good/who's best, then... i'm sure you're crappy. No experience at all.
When you play ball, and you find yourself in different situations, you'll be able to know who has game and who doesn't. Plain and simple, not many brain cells required. You can hide your argument behind parts of what makes a good individual player (teamwork for instance), it doesn't help your case. Brett Favre, tens years after 1996, is not the same player and has a less good supporting-cast. And you extrapolate as to saying "hey see how relative it is!". No. An experience goes along with the ability to understand the causes and reasons. You'd make a bad scientist too.
When you play ball, and you find yourself in different situations, you'll be able to know who has game and who doesn't. Plain and simple, not many brain cells required. You can hide your argument behind parts of what makes a good individual player (teamwork for instance), it doesn't help your case. Brett Favre, tens years after 1996, is not the same player and has a less good supporting-cast. And you extrapolate as to saying "hey see how relative it is!". No. An experience goes along with the ability to understand the causes and reasons. You'd make a bad scientist too.
Cygnus_Zero
No one person can be the best. That's a fact. There is too many different things to do and builds that can be run. One warrior might be good at tanking in GvG or whatever, another one might be far superior at soloing in PvE. No single person can be the best at every aspect of a specific profession.
Eet GnomeSmasher
I think we need more "There are no best players" posts in this thread because we sure didnt get enough the first dozen times:
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Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood
This is a silly thread IMHO. "Best" players indeed, as if there is some metric for "Best Overall Player". The game is much too situational to break things down to that point.
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Originally Posted by Mimi Miyagi
These lists are nothing more than popularity contests. There are plenty of people on lesser "known" guilds that are far better players than any of these listed.
...this thread is a shameless effort to smooch some butt, or promote friends. |
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Originally Posted by Inureface
There is no real best because 1v1 does not demonstrate true skil, just your luck in putting the skills on your bar, and being in a good guild doesn't make them the best player or anything, its teamwork that makes them and everyone else look good.
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Originally Posted by SilentAssassin
imo there aren't really "best players", because GuildWars is and hopefully will stay a teambased game
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Originally Posted by byteme!
As far as I am concerned there is no BEST player. For every situation there is ALWAYS someone better.
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Originally Posted by Brutaniu Mason
Heh, this thread is kinda funny. I don't see how anyone can truly claim to be or claim to have found "thee best" player at something.
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Originally Posted by Angelina
gw doesn't required enough skill to call a player better then another.
you are good, or you are not good. there is no "ultimate player". |
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Originally Posted by Cygnus_Zero
No one person can be the best. That's a fact. There is too many different things to do and builds that can be run.
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ExDeity
All these people saying that one player cannot be the best at his profession are blatantly covering-up an insecurity they obviously have in their own skill, which seems rather counter-intuitive to me because these posters are here to bash egos, not to display their own.
"Well, no one player can be the best." Really? So if nobody can be the best, then every PvP guild should win by chance every once in awhile, right?
Oh, you mean that teamwork is the reason they're winning?
Is teamwork no longer a factor in skill? There is a reason that players from guilds with great teamwork are being named as the better players in this game: THEIR TEAM IS WINNING, AND THEY ARE VERY MUCH A PART OF THAT TEAM'S SUCCESS.
It is completely ignorant to say that one player cannot be the best at what he does. Out of all the Mesmers out there, ONE of them is the BEST. That is the point of this thread. Seeing who the gamers choose as the best at their professions.
Shame on all of you who had to ruin the parade. Perhaps if your own egos were concealed a bit better, this thread wouldn't require such hostility in reprimanding your ridiculous responses.
"Well, no one player can be the best." Really? So if nobody can be the best, then every PvP guild should win by chance every once in awhile, right?
Oh, you mean that teamwork is the reason they're winning?
Is teamwork no longer a factor in skill? There is a reason that players from guilds with great teamwork are being named as the better players in this game: THEIR TEAM IS WINNING, AND THEY ARE VERY MUCH A PART OF THAT TEAM'S SUCCESS.
It is completely ignorant to say that one player cannot be the best at what he does. Out of all the Mesmers out there, ONE of them is the BEST. That is the point of this thread. Seeing who the gamers choose as the best at their professions.
Shame on all of you who had to ruin the parade. Perhaps if your own egos were concealed a bit better, this thread wouldn't require such hostility in reprimanding your ridiculous responses.
Arcanis the Omnipotent
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Originally Posted by ExDeity
All these people saying that one player cannot be the best at his profession are blatantly covering-up an insecurity they obviously have in their own skill, which seems rather counter-intuitive to me because these posters are here to bash egos, not to display their own.
"Well, no one player can be the best." Really? So if nobody can be the best, then every PvP guild should win by chance every once in awhile, right? Oh, you mean that teamwork is the reason they're winning? Is teamwork no longer a factor in skill? There is a reason that players from guilds with great teamwork are being named as the better players in this game: THEIR TEAM IS WINNING, AND THEY ARE VERY MUCH A PART OF THAT TEAM'S SUCCESS. It is completely ignorant to say that one player cannot be the best at what he does. Out of all the Mesmers out there, ONE of them is the BEST. That is the point of this thread. Seeing who the gamers choose as the best at their professions. Shame on all of you who had to ruin the parade. Perhaps if your own egos were concealed a bit better, this thread wouldn't require such hostility in reprimanding your ridiculous responses. |
Yes, there is probably a best of the best out there? Does he/she have to be on the guilds winning the most? Hell no. There can be great players on piss poor Guilds. Or even the best who really dont like to PVP very much so they dont. Does not PVPing much make them any less great? Not a damn bit.
These names that keep popping up on the thread are the best out of a small group of guilds that people see alot. Are they the best in the game. Probably not. They are the best amoung the guilds that are the best, right now.
Not the best total. And you will never know who is the best period because its impossible to ever see everyone in the game and compare them all.
Aries asede
warrior:mr biertank
ranger:arrow of doom
mesmer:eye gamer
elementalist:?
monk:?
necro:coffee maker
ranger:arrow of doom
mesmer:eye gamer
elementalist:?
monk:?
necro:coffee maker
Iskrah
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Originally Posted by Arcanis the Omnipotent
These names that keep popping up on the thread are the best out of a small group of guilds that people see alot. Are they the best in the game. Probably not. They are the best amoung the guilds that are the best, right now.
Not the best total. And you will never know who is the best period because its impossible to ever see everyone in the game and compare them all. |
Look at the NBA. Kobe is phenomenal. Yet it could be Dirk Nowitzki or Steve Nash because their teams are so much better. Same last year with Iverson who was not voted.
Eet GnomeSmasher
How about we rename the thread title to:
"Best Player At Each Profession That's Pretty Well Known But Not Necessarily The Best In The Entire Guild Wars Game Because There Really Isnt A Best And There Could Be Others That Are Better"
Then maybe these people will stop picking at this thread already.
"Best Player At Each Profession That's Pretty Well Known But Not Necessarily The Best In The Entire Guild Wars Game Because There Really Isnt A Best And There Could Be Others That Are Better"
Then maybe these people will stop picking at this thread already.
Mimi Miyagi
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Originally Posted by Iskrah
Do you play sports Mimi Miyagi? Because if you do, based on what I read from your ideas of what's good/who's best, then... i'm sure you're crappy. No experience at all.
When you play ball, and you find yourself in different situations, you'll be able to know who has game and who doesn't. Plain and simple, not many brain cells required. You can hide your argument behind parts of what makes a good individual player (teamwork for instance), it doesn't help your case. Brett Favre, tens years after 1996, is not the same player and has a less good supporting-cast. And you extrapolate as to saying "hey see how relative it is!". No. An experience goes along with the ability to understand the causes and reasons. You'd make a bad scientist too. |
You're quibbling over scemantics, and missing the forest for the trees.
And anyone saying people disagreeing with this thread has security issues - I can also be childish and say all you fawning fanbois are simply projecting.
ChildeOfMalkav
Mimi Miyagi, if you dont like the concept of this thread why can't you just leave it alone and STFU?
You have already derailed this thread with your childishness. If people want to believe that certain people are the best then let them. Why the F-- should you care?
Your stupid ego won't let you leave this thread alone that's what. Now stop trolling.
You have already derailed this thread with your childishness. If people want to believe that certain people are the best then let them. Why the F-- should you care?
Your stupid ego won't let you leave this thread alone that's what. Now stop trolling.
pigdestroyer
yeah mimi just leave the thread already, we got your point 3 pages ago... mods?
Ensign
The funniest thing about this thread is that the players being named aren't even the strongest players on their own teams. Ah, the gap between those earning the glory, and those actually getting it.
Peace,
-CxE
Peace,
-CxE
Rebelde
Monk - One star
Warrior - Axe-Bob angry Sword-Last of master Hammer-Bloodlight, only because he is the only person I have seen run hammer.
Ranger - Who knows? But who is Woonori?
Mesmer - Tengu, by far
Elementalist - It's hard being a flashbot?
Necro - ?
Warrior - Axe-Bob angry Sword-Last of master Hammer-Bloodlight, only because he is the only person I have seen run hammer.
Ranger - Who knows? But who is Woonori?
Mesmer - Tengu, by far
Elementalist - It's hard being a flashbot?
Necro - ?
jackie
Ranger: Ganymede Jazz
Mesmer: Strawberry M
Warrior: Mertine Punatuuli
Elementalist: Edwin Bretoner
There... said.
I'm looking forward to meet these chaps in TA.
Mesmer: Strawberry M
Warrior: Mertine Punatuuli
Elementalist: Edwin Bretoner
There... said.
I'm looking forward to meet these chaps in TA.
Brett Kuntz
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Originally Posted by Ensign
The funniest thing about this thread is that the players being named aren't even the strongest players on their own teams. Ah, the gap between those earning the glory, and those actually getting it.
Peace, -CxE |
And to the people who think there are no best players...you're obviously clueless when it comes to PvP in this game. If there were no best then everyone must be equal, and if that were the case how come every guild is different? It's the difference in individual skill as well as team based skill that differeciate guilds and players. Learning to work as a team is an individual skill everyone must learn. So people like Mimi can now take their jealousy to another topic. Thanks.
Str0b0
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Originally Posted by kunt0r
Well take soccer for example, all the soccer fans in the world will never agree on who's the best centre or who's the best goalie. There's going to be at least a thousand people on this planet that think their own goalie/player is the absolute best, even if they're on the last place team. It's all based on perception, everyone has their own internal score card of what makes someone the best, which is why other peoples results will often vary from your own.
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Manchester United! Best club in the world and therefore the best players in the world. Man United FTW!!! Sorry had to.
Iskrah
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Originally Posted by Mimi Miyagi
Then use Dante Culpepper if you want. I don't care. Tom Brady hasn't won a SB lately either. And to top it off, the QB that DID win the SB sucks, yet he was the winning QB. Does that make him the BEST QB ever?
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Just say it's hard to recognize the best, but not there are only "good players". That's crap.
Shai-hulud
I do see many people mentioning the same people, tbh I don't know many of them as I don't watch high ranked battles often.
What I do know is that it is hard or even impossible to call someone 'the best player' for some class. I think u can say a certain team is the best, because of adaptability and things, u may as well be abled to call someone the most 'adabtable' monk, but maybe someone is a very good WoH healer and a very bad boon-prot monk and someone else is a very good SB/infuser while this person is bad at WoH healing. Therefor I think u can't really call someone 'the best <character>'.
I do however think that some1 could be 'the best WoH healer' or 'the best flag runner' but as I said, being very good in a few things or just one aspect of the characters potential doesn't make someone 'the best player on that character'...
What I do know is that it is hard or even impossible to call someone 'the best player' for some class. I think u can say a certain team is the best, because of adaptability and things, u may as well be abled to call someone the most 'adabtable' monk, but maybe someone is a very good WoH healer and a very bad boon-prot monk and someone else is a very good SB/infuser while this person is bad at WoH healing. Therefor I think u can't really call someone 'the best <character>'.
I do however think that some1 could be 'the best WoH healer' or 'the best flag runner' but as I said, being very good in a few things or just one aspect of the characters potential doesn't make someone 'the best player on that character'...