Best way to utilize a rangers expertise skill?
Echo Ecko x
Well.. I think being a primary ranger is kinda stupid. Because, you have this useless expertise. I understnad what it supposed to do, but it doesnt seem to work well with what i do. Im an R/M. So any suggests on what to do, or just kinda ignore that skill?
S!carius
Did you look at this?
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/content...sts-id1154.php
If you don't have enough points into expertise, it won't do much at all for you.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/content...sts-id1154.php
If you don't have enough points into expertise, it won't do much at all for you.
arohk
What skills are you using? Perhaps the problem lies in those.
IMO expertise is the best primary attribute in the game
IMO expertise is the best primary attribute in the game
LordMahal
Expertise is useless?!?!?! OMG, what type of ranger do you play? I mean if you have energy issues, be a ele first, but it wont help, trust me. Expertise is the strength behind being a ranger. I mean, touch rangers rely on expertise, hell all rangers should use it. Trappers, interupters, and the like. Granted, after about 10 in expertise, you dont need to put more, but that 40% cost reduction is priceless.
moriz
expertise also features some of the best defensive skills in the game, as well as my favourite elite: oath shot. it's impossible to ignore expertise. if any other class has access to it, they will pump it up too.
Huntmaster
I take expertise for granted.. :x
Evilsod
Expertise is possibly the most useful primary stat there is.
As Moriz said, Expertise has the best defensive skills the game has to offer. There isnt a single defensive stance that can beat Whirling Defences w/ the optional Oath Shot. However it does also have the worst stance. Practiced Stance sucks so much it doesn't deserve to be elite.
As Moriz said, Expertise has the best defensive skills the game has to offer. There isnt a single defensive stance that can beat Whirling Defences w/ the optional Oath Shot. However it does also have the worst stance. Practiced Stance sucks so much it doesn't deserve to be elite.
arohk
I think it is elite because of choking gas. Or maybe i'm mistaken...
Evilsod
Yeah choking gas is the only skill you can possibly use with Practiced Stance and not waste your elite slot completely. Seriously i hate that elite almost as much as i do Unyielding Aura. I can't even bring myself to recap that elite on my monk.
Huntmaster
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Practiced Stance sucks so much it doesn't deserve to be elite.
Dedicated Practice/Choking inturupter is deadly as hell.. Although very conditional, it's also a lot of fun to play. Works better in PvE though. 
SnipiousMax
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Practiced Stance sucks so much it doesn't deserve to be elite.
It really needs to be reworked. If it added armor while using an preperation, or some kind of bonus to your preps (ie...damage), then it'd be worth an elite.
But as it is, in that it only works with one skill...period. It's not worth an elite. But I guess it could be argued that Incendiary Arrows + Practiced Stance would be too powerful....
But as it is, in that it only works with one skill...period. It's not worth an elite. But I guess it could be argued that Incendiary Arrows + Practiced Stance would be too powerful....
ArianeB
I shift attributes points in my R/Mo all the time. Half the fun of playing ranger is the versatility they offer, so I like to shift points and try new builds all the time.
Even marksmanship gets lowered occasionally, to play a trapper role or have fun with an uber pet.
But Expertise never gets lowered below 8, and most of the time it is 10-12.
Even marksmanship gets lowered occasionally, to play a trapper role or have fun with an uber pet.
But Expertise never gets lowered below 8, and most of the time it is 10-12.
Echo Ecko x
Actaully, my profile lies, and I changed my primary to a me.
Anyways.. This is what is it shaping up to be for my build..
sig of capture
res sig
apply posion
imagioned burden
clumsieness
troll unguent
epidemic
conjure phantasim
I know its not looking too good, but i slowly learning to play as an innturupter. And when I do FoW or, whatever in the hell those things are, ill put in some traps.
And the points go like this..
11illusion
5expertise (unused points)
11wilderness survival
11marksmanship
Anyways.. This is what is it shaping up to be for my build..
sig of capture
res sig
apply posion
imagioned burden
clumsieness
troll unguent
epidemic
conjure phantasim
I know its not looking too good, but i slowly learning to play as an innturupter. And when I do FoW or, whatever in the hell those things are, ill put in some traps.
And the points go like this..
11illusion
5expertise (unused points)
11wilderness survival
11marksmanship
tuperwho
There's the problem. Expertise does not affect spells. If you want to be a mesmer, be a mes. primary, with mes. runes and a good + energy staff. You're right that with what you have, expertise is worthless. But I don't think it's expertise that needs the overhaul...
To be constructive: the degen and epidemic idea is a pretty good one. Unfortunately, it won't spread conjure phantasm (hex, not condition). Also, with 11 in marks (I assume because you weild a bow), you need to be using more bow attacks, which will cost less energy because of expertise. Hunter's shot would do nicely. You'd get poison and bleeding to spread with epidemic. I would prob. trade out Clumsiness for this. You will be better off energy wise, and since you can use it more often, I think it will do more damage, too. Immagined burdon isn't really doing much for you in PvE. If you really want that role, try storm chaser. Again, it will be reduced by expertise. The other option is crippling shot, which will work well with epidemic. The sig. of cap shouldn't be a permanent in your bar either. Use it to get an elite, then keep that in your bar, except when you know you want to cap a new one. IMO, can't go wrong with barrage (again, reduced by expertise).
I hope you're using druids armor for the extra energy. My only other idea is if you want to stick with what you got, carry a staff with +15 energy and faster cast/recharge. Switch to the bow when you want to poison (poison arrow might do better than apply poison), but otherwise, use the caster weapon if you have a mostly caster build.
To be constructive: the degen and epidemic idea is a pretty good one. Unfortunately, it won't spread conjure phantasm (hex, not condition). Also, with 11 in marks (I assume because you weild a bow), you need to be using more bow attacks, which will cost less energy because of expertise. Hunter's shot would do nicely. You'd get poison and bleeding to spread with epidemic. I would prob. trade out Clumsiness for this. You will be better off energy wise, and since you can use it more often, I think it will do more damage, too. Immagined burdon isn't really doing much for you in PvE. If you really want that role, try storm chaser. Again, it will be reduced by expertise. The other option is crippling shot, which will work well with epidemic. The sig. of cap shouldn't be a permanent in your bar either. Use it to get an elite, then keep that in your bar, except when you know you want to cap a new one. IMO, can't go wrong with barrage (again, reduced by expertise).
I hope you're using druids armor for the extra energy. My only other idea is if you want to stick with what you got, carry a staff with +15 energy and faster cast/recharge. Switch to the bow when you want to poison (poison arrow might do better than apply poison), but otherwise, use the caster weapon if you have a mostly caster build.
Bloodied Blade
1st thing: Remove your capture signet.
Only bring a cap signet if you are actually going skill capping, otherwise it's pointless.
You should pull 1-2 points out of Wilderness Survival so that you deal max damage with your bow...
But seriously, no bow skills? If you're an interrupter, I would have thought something like:
Punishing Shot {e}
Distracting Shot
Savage Shot
Apply Poison (if you really want to have it, otherwise Read the Wind will serve you better)
Arcane Conundrum
Whirling Defense
Troll Unguent
Res Signet
Only bring a cap signet if you are actually going skill capping, otherwise it's pointless.
You should pull 1-2 points out of Wilderness Survival so that you deal max damage with your bow...
But seriously, no bow skills? If you're an interrupter, I would have thought something like:
Punishing Shot {e}
Distracting Shot
Savage Shot
Apply Poison (if you really want to have it, otherwise Read the Wind will serve you better)
Arcane Conundrum
Whirling Defense
Troll Unguent
Res Signet
Echo Ecko x
Well what do you suggest I do with the build?
Echo Ecko x
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Originally Posted by Bloodied Blade
Only bring a cap signet if you are actually going skill capping, otherwise it's pointless.
You should pull 1-2 points out of Wilderness Survival so that you deal max damage with your bow...
But seriously, no bow skills? If you're an interrupter, I would have thought something like:
Punishing Shot {e}
Distracting Shot
Savage Shot
Apply Poison (if you really want to have it, otherwise Read the Wind will serve you better)
Arcane Conundrum
Whirling Defense
Troll Unguent
Res Signet
Anyways.. I just bought the Me skills yesterday, so im just playing around with what i have. Well thanks tho, ill have to check that out
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Originally Posted by tuperwho
There's the problem. Expertise does not affect spells. If you want to be a mesmer, be a mes. primary, with mes. runes and a good + energy staff. You're right that with what you have, expertise is worthless. But I don't think it's expertise that needs the overhaul...
To be constructive: the degen and epidemic idea is a pretty good one. Unfortunately, it won't spread conjure phantasm (hex, not condition). Also, with 11 in marks (I assume because you weild a bow), you need to be using more bow attacks, which will cost less energy because of expertise. Hunter's shot would do nicely. You'd get poison and bleeding to spread with epidemic. I would prob. trade out Clumsiness for this. You will be better off energy wise, and since you can use it more often, I think it will do more damage, too. Immagined burdon isn't really doing much for you in PvE. If you really want that role, try storm chaser. Again, it will be reduced by expertise. The other option is crippling shot, which will work well with epidemic. The sig. of cap shouldn't be a permanent in your bar either. Use it to get an elite, then keep that in your bar, except when you know you want to cap a new one. IMO, can't go wrong with barrage (again, reduced by expertise). I hope you're using druids armor for the extra energy. My only other idea is if you want to stick with what you got, carry a staff with +15 energy and faster cast/recharge. Switch to the bow when you want to poison (poison arrow might do better than apply poison), but otherwise, use the caster weapon if you have a mostly caster build. Thats also a very good idea. Wow, I dont know what to do now!! Lol, ill just have to experiment. Anything else you think should be added? Or any other specific changes? Any idea with runes and such? Weapon upgrades? Hmm, maybe later ill just make a thread on my build and see what people say. oh well, thanks! tuperwho
Haven't put quite enough time into this, but think I got a pretty solid build. May have to change to a mesmer secondary to try it out
Marksmanship: 11+1+3=15 Wilderness survival: 11+1= 12 Expertise: 8+1 Favorable winds - so everything else hits, and gets more damage (see barrage) apply poison pin down hunters shot epidemic barrage {E} troll ungent res sig. Of course, this is an ideal, assuming you have or can get barrage. I would use druids armor, and a collectors (15^50) bow. Zealous and 5/1 vampiric will both do very nicely with barrage. Personally, I like defensive bow grips.
Megla Zero
My personal opinion... if you have Barrage, you really shouldn't have any other bow skills except for maybe an interrupt... and most definitely not a prep. Pull out barrage for something else... and stick with the degen type of damage... it'll probably help out your team more in the long run than having to keep reapplying Apply Poison after a Barrage.
Also, the problem you run into when using FW (if you're not using a poison or Barrage build) is that the enemy archers gain the +6 damage and faster arrow speed as well, so although you're helping out your entire team from 1 spirit, you could also (potentially) be helping out multiple enemy forces. Not a big deal so long as you pay attention, but don't always be dropping spirits when you're getting ready to fight. tuperwho
Like I said, never tried anything like that before, and I was just throwing it together in a hurry. I did concider the prep with barrage, but I don't think it's too bad. Unlike kindle, ignite, etc., which rely on the prep being active for each hit, apply poison goes on autopilot. You use it, then pin down, then hunters, then epidemic. Normally, the benefit of apply poison is that you can hit multiple targets while it's still active. However, with epidemic, this is not needed. Thus, you have a mob all poisoned, and have littel use for apply poison until the poison duration ends. Thus, to me, it's not too terrible to use barrage. Yes, I'll admit that apply poison is expensive to only use for 2-3 arrows per mob, but I personally feel that you can get a better elite than poison arrow. Thus, I still hold that barrage is ok (aestheticlaly, I like the idea of AoE arrow attacks to go with the AoE degen from conditions + epidemic), but I would also assert that punishing shot would work well. How can you go wrong with big damage and interrupt?
And yes, FW is a bit of a gamble, but not so much so that it prevents its use.
Echo Ecko x
So if I use a ranger skill, such as point arrows, could i spread that with the mesmer skill, epidemic?
tuperwho
Uhh, "point arrows"??? If you mean "point blank shot", no. Epidemic will only spread conditions. Some examples are bleeding, poison, disease, dazed, deep wound, etc. More can be found here: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/conditions-id23.php
So the ranger (or other class) skill would have to cause one of these conditions, in ordrer to be spread by epidemic. Pillz_veritas
I think he ment Poison arrows... Right? if so then yes.
Megla Zero
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Originally Posted by tuperwho
Like I said, never tried anything like that before, and I was just throwing it together in a hurry. I did concider the prep with barrage, but I don't think it's too bad. Unlike kindle, ignite, etc., which rely on the prep being active for each hit, apply poison goes on autopilot. You use it, then pin down, then hunters, then epidemic. Normally, the benefit of apply poison is that you can hit multiple targets while it's still active. However, with epidemic, this is not needed. Thus, you have a mob all poisoned, and have littel use for apply poison until the poison duration ends. Thus, to me, it's not too terrible to use barrage. Yes, I'll admit that apply poison is expensive to only use for 2-3 arrows per mob, but I personally feel that you can get a better elite than poison arrow. Thus, I still hold that barrage is ok (aestheticlaly, I like the idea of AoE arrow attacks to go with the AoE degen from conditions + epidemic), but I would also assert that punishing shot would work well. How can you go wrong with big damage and interrupt?
And yes, FW is a bit of a gamble, but not so much so that it prevents its use. Yea, I guess that works pretty good... but you could be a lot more useful just being an AoE or a degen/condition Ranger... since if you try to use both you lose out on a few good utility skills, such as Troll or Whirling. I also prefer to use Tiger's Fury when I'm Barraging... either that or Lightning Reflexes depending on doing. I just have to make sure I go Barrage, regular, Barrage, regular... etc until its done. To each their own though, lemme know how the build works
Echo Ecko x
Lol yes, posion arrows. Hmm.. Well this is interesting. so many ideas!
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