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wsmcasey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Right behind you.

HeRo

W/Rt

07 Apr 2006 at 01:33 - 1

Okay guys, this is a rant. I'm so sick of customers being able to report runners if they steal money and leave, but what about us poor runners that get stiffed by customers that dont pay? It's a double standard, and we all know it. It's useless for me to report the guy to Anet over 700g, but it really just pisses me off that people are like this.

There really needs to be a trade system implemented to where customers put the money in a holding account during the run so that they don't have it and neither do I. If the runner bails, then the customer keeps there gold. If the run is successful then the runner gets paid with no problems.

This is my main source of income folks, and I know it is for a lot of others, so I know I'm not alone on this issue.

You could ask for payment in advance, or at half way points, but that doesn't work in every situation.

I'll bet if all runners went on strike Guild Wars would come to a screeching halt!

Rant over

I feel better now, sorta

Inureface

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

Asian in Lousiana

The Endbringers

R/Me

07 Apr 2006 at 01:35 - 2

I know you already mentioned this in your post, but why not just take cash on the way, I don't really know a run where they can shaft you and still make it to their destination without a loss as long as you collect at the right places, just curious, which run do you get scammed out of the most? You might want to rethink where you take a part of the money.

Haggard

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

Urmston, Manchester, UK

Greener Pastures [DVDF]

W/Rt

07 Apr 2006 at 01:41 - 3

^ Leaving at camp rankor then just fighting to droks with hench/a guildie saves the scammer 1.5k.

Killmur

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Arizona - America

R/Mo

07 Apr 2006 at 01:44 - 4

Also a middle man type setup like you proposed would be very trivial in the eyes of A-Net.

Rilder

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

Mystic Shadow Soldiers (MSS)

R/

07 Apr 2006 at 02:01 - 5

Wow a system made just for runners, I know Anet isnt against runners but seriously I dont think they actually think its a good thing that you can run from the beginning of the game to 5 missions before the last mission in the game.

mint

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

NYC

07 Apr 2006 at 02:13 - 6

Quote:

Originally Posted by wsmcasey

I'll bet if all runners went on strike Guild Wars would come to a screeching halt!

Because people need runners to get between towns? Map travel...durrrr

If all the runners went on strike, there would just be more to replace them...

wsmcasey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Right behind you.

HeRo

W/Rt

07 Apr 2006 at 03:34 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by mint

Because people need runners to get between towns? Map travel...durrrr

If all the runners went on strike, there would just be more to replace them...

Dude! I wasn't serious, and I know that wouldn't work.

You can't "Map Travel" if you don't have the freakin town on you map.....durrrr

Tropan

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

07 Apr 2006 at 03:43 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by wsmcasey

Dude! I wasn't serious, and I know that wouldn't work.

You can't "Map Travel" if you don't have the freakin town on you map.....durrrr

I recall the system working perfectly before there were any runners :P

pintpointfive

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

아리랑

07 Apr 2006 at 03:44 - 9

K, but you're hurting all the people that scam runs when a system like the one you're suggesting is implemented... How am I supposed to get run now?

Phaern Majes

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2005

Anywhere but up

The Panserbjorne [ROAR]

R/Mo

07 Apr 2006 at 05:26 - 10

I've never heard of a runner getting banned for scamming. The runner could just claim they were a nice person handing out gold, and now regret doing so. I'm against running, but I realize that me not running won't make it go away. However, whenever I get scammed I just say "Well, I shouldn't be running anyways." But thats just my opinion.

Hired Blade

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

Oregon USA

Leader Of (Hired Souls)

W/

07 Apr 2006 at 06:59 - 11

Here is what i do when i run droks. Make them show money, pay half at snakes, half at rankor. is someone doesnt pay I will ask them to leave and offer to pay back. Most the time i find they will leave. So most i loose is a half. I dont think areanet is really aginst runners, after all they made it so u can. For example they could put a guy in cave at snakes that could not be ran by.

Gonzo

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Netherlands

Defenders of the Blackblade [DotB]

W/

07 Apr 2006 at 07:24 - 12

Here is what I do when I run to droks: Either I'm praticing and yell "Practice run to droks, made it before but never know if I'm wasting your time or not" wait 5 minutes and head out either alone or with some people hoping for a free ride or I'm running a guildie there.

Here's what I do when running somewhere else: "Free run to <insert place>, leaving in 5 minutes full party or not" or I'm running a guildie.

I don't believe in paying for running, since I got (and get) my share of free runs.

Riceboi

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

07 Apr 2006 at 08:09 - 13

/signed for a runner holding trade account.

Twiggy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

Smurf Village

Mo/

07 Apr 2006 at 08:15 - 14

/signed

I've been scammed so many times that I decided to stop running till a system like this is implemented.

Yanman.be

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

Belgium

[ROSE]

A/

07 Apr 2006 at 08:26 - 15

running should only be allowed for people that can proove they've already beaten the game..

like a little quiz every outpost would be nice ^^

e.g. who's Prince Rurik's girlfriend...

offcourse a large base of questions , because it'll be easy to cheat otherwise

art_

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

07 Apr 2006 at 08:31 - 16

I think i'd fail that quiz. Who is Ruriks gf? :<

Gonzo

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Netherlands

Defenders of the Blackblade [DotB]

W/

07 Apr 2006 at 08:43 - 17

Hmm, though one. Since she's dead, does she still count as his gf? Basicly Rurik is single.

I see a new way to make money, however this isn't very scamproof. A character coming allong on the run holding the money and giving it back to either the runner or the runnees depening on the outcome. He will get 5% for this. However, it must be a trustworthy person and how will you manage that?

Lady Lozza

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Oz

Angel Sharks

Me/N

07 Apr 2006 at 08:57 - 18

art_ it was Althea

Most of the time I've not had a problem with runners, either the runner/s themselves or those being run. The other 10% haven't really mattered.
Those who refuse to pay at Snake Dance can't be kicked, but that is ok because if they don't pay I've just mapped back to Beacon's with the rest of the team and run them again. If they don't pay at Rankor they generally get booted. I've seen people gloat at Snake Dance, "you can't kick me so what are you going to do", and they are usually gobsmacked when the rest of the team heads back to Beacon's. Sure it takes more time, but honestly better that running a "sith" around.

Silent Kitty

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Netherlands

[TYW] "The Young World"

A/Me

07 Apr 2006 at 09:09 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yanman.be

running should only be allowed for people that can proove they've already beaten the game..

like a little quiz every outpost would be nice ^^

e.g. who's Prince Rurik's girlfriend...

offcourse a large base of questions , because it'll be easy to cheat otherwise

For 1K I whisper you the answer. Whenever you have questions, just wire me the money and I'll whisper it to to

Divinus Stella

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Wales

Steel Phoenix

07 Apr 2006 at 10:39 - 20

I'd be happier if all running stopped, would solve many problems in this game.

One of the main ones i see is the 55hp monks that get run around this game, it takes about 3-4hrs to get a 55hp monk setup and soloing droks trolls, from there its lvl20 in no time, as i see it there would be a lot less botters in the game if all these monks had to play through the game.

Twiggy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

Smurf Village

Mo/

07 Apr 2006 at 11:58 - 21

Anet has clearly stated in one of the interviews that they have nothing against running, therefore running will not be stopped, at least in the meantime.

Again, I've already /signed it but I really doubt it will change anything...

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

07 Apr 2006 at 12:07 - 22

Runners can get scammed, fact of life.

Learn to protect yourself. Back when i used to run (i just do it for guildies, its boring as hell) i would make it clear to the person im running.

me: I will run you from _______ to _______ for _____ amount. If i get disconnected or fail, please do not quit, and wait for my message, i will continue it for free. Do you agree?
costumer: Yes
me: I have screencapped your agreement, if you fail to comply, i will report you. Screencap this also so you have a copy of the agreement.

This isnt foolproof. But telling your costumer outright that are a professional and dont kid around. Also ask to SEE the cash as soon as you ZONE OUT.

Jessyi

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mo/

07 Apr 2006 at 13:18 - 23

/cry
/waaa
/boo-hoo

I can do the Lornar's Pass run to Droks - fairly well in fact. I learned how to do it for the challenge of the gauntlet, and as a service to guildies that have completed the game a couple of times already.

However, I don't run random people for money. I still think the running business as a whole is kind of lame. Getting scammed while doing something that isn't really sanctioned by ANet anyways is really...uh...well...your damn problem.

So please, go strike. By all means. Isiah will show up with his warrior and get you to dance. It'll be fun. I'm sure ANet will come to thier senses and include a system for all you professional runners to more efficiently circumvent 70% of the PvE area for people.

Oh, by the way...^sarcasm^

-Jessyi

wsmcasey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Right behind you.

HeRo

W/Rt

07 Apr 2006 at 14:27 - 24

Well, I've gotten alot stricter on my customers since last nights incident.

It seems to be paying off.

My new rules:

Show money up front.

Pay half at a certain half way point or Cut Scene.

Skip Cut Scenes.

Do not go afk, I'll check that all party members are present a couple of times
during the run.

If you refuse payment at the half way point, we will rezone to town, you will be kicked, and the run will start over. In addition, everyone in the group will know who you are, so expect to take a beating.

Everyone must agree to the terms of our agreement.

Do not rush me when discussing these rules and terms or you will get kicked from the group.

Depending on the run, I also guarantee a fast run with no deaths or its free. This is usually added if I see other runners trying to steal my customers. I always tell them that they have the right to take their chances on another runner, but that the outcome will be uncertain and they're probably waisting more time.

I'm also advertising for serious and mature customers only.

This may sound harsh to some people, but I'm seeing some very good results.

I run mostly missions. I make more money on hard missions and find it to be very challenging. I'm really just killing time and saving money for factions.

Meo Yeong

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2005

Canada Eh!

Test

Mo/E

07 Apr 2006 at 14:41 - 25

Maybe they should make it like a taxi where if the light is off it has a passenger. It would be different though where the runner themselves hits a button on screen, (we will call it the run button lol), What this will allow is the abilty for the group leader to kick individuals in the group. Only issue I see with this is at the final destination. Which comes to my next idea. When in a quest zone have the abilty to trade dead or alive in which the trade is possible across the zone and dont need to be standing next to each other.

Thus if those two ideas are implemented which in my opinion shouldnt be that hard to code in there would be no excuse for a person not paying at the zone in and if the peson does not pay the runner can kick him.

Just would have to hope the person doesnt run to teh zone in to destination gets you all to pay then not zone in or kick you all!!!!!

Also since I started running I always ask for money upfront. Lets say I am running to sanctum from TOA for 1k. I ask for 500gp at toa and 500 at fishermans.

wsmcasey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Right behind you.

HeRo

W/Rt

07 Apr 2006 at 15:16 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meo Yeong

Just would have to hope the person doesnt run to teh zone in to destination gets you all to pay then not zone in or kick you all!

Those are some good ideas. I tell my customers that they have choices: You can farm, you can die and watch the run, but you are not allowed to follow me during the run. I can't even count how many times I've had people screw up a run because they were trying to run with me.

Rathcail

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

07 Apr 2006 at 15:16 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gonzo

Hmm, though one. Since she's dead, does she still count as his gf? Basicly Rurik is single.

Well, Rurik is also dead.

MSecorsky

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

Me/

07 Apr 2006 at 15:19 - 28

/NOT signed.

You don't need a "source of income" in this game. Waste of programming.

wsmcasey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Right behind you.

HeRo

W/Rt

07 Apr 2006 at 15:19 - 29

I heard that he's dating gwens mom

wsmcasey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Right behind you.

HeRo

W/Rt

07 Apr 2006 at 15:23 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by MSecorsky

/NOT signed.

You don't need a "source of income" in this game. Waste of programming.

Maybe not if you play PvP, but you need a source of income in PvE most definately. Unless of course you enjoy being poor. I also trade and farm, but running can be much more fun and challenging imo.

MSecorsky

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

Me/

07 Apr 2006 at 15:27 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by wsmcasey

Maybe not if you play PvP, but you need a source of income in PvE most definately. Unless of course you enjoy being poor. I also trade and farm, but running can be much more fun and challenging imo.

Absurd. I PvE pretty much only. Do some fissure runs, help people with quests/missions... just pick things up and bang, instant gold. Just for gits and shiggles I made a batch of Deldrimor steel and sold it to the merchant. Hey, I came out ahead!

Bah, just play the game, you'll make enough to compete with anyone.

As for runners... a nice landslide along the Droks path would be a thing of beauty.

wsmcasey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Right behind you.

HeRo

W/Rt

07 Apr 2006 at 15:34 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by MSecorsky

Absurd. I PvE pretty much only. Do some fissure runs, help people with quests/missions... just pick things up and bang, instant gold. Just for gits and shiggles I made a batch of Deldrimor steel and sold it to the merchant. Hey, I came out ahead!

Bah, just play the game, you'll make enough to compete with anyone.

As for runners... a nice landslide along the Droks path would be a thing of beauty.

Well, we all play the game for our own enjoyment I suppose.

I'm personally very greedy, and need all the video game gold I can get my grubby little hands on!

When factions is released I'll slow down on the running and farming and go back to completing missions and quests for enjoyment. That will soon get old, and if we don't have a new chapter after 6 months then I'm sure I'll be back to farming and running.

The Fox

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

07 Apr 2006 at 16:36 - 33

I'm against the scam reporting of runners or anyone in general, because anyone can claim that they were scammed and as a runner I've had error007. Reguardless, people know how the trade system works. If someone agrees to do a run and the runner agrees to pay up front that is there own capital that they are risking. I always agree to collect at completion, so in this case I'm taking that risk.

Reporting "scammers" is just whinning and should be removed from the game imo. Someone can simply get there guild to all report one guy as a scammer and BAM! 100's of potential fake claims against your account. Those who get scammed in the trade window are just reckless or stupid. There shouldn't be a special provision for idiots. Especially when it can cause a problems for honest traders.

note- I run people again for free if either them or me get's a log in error. They'll have to message me though, because it's not practical to write everyone's names down on a piece of paper in case of some disconnection problem. Why do i waste my time running? ...because I want skills and I have to grind my way through the gold to buy them! aka - gold sinks create grind that creates runners and farmers and speculators ect.

Reiden Argrock

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Arizona

Shadowstorm Mercenaries

07 Apr 2006 at 19:00 - 34

I think running is trash anyway.. and trust me.. if A-net put a stop to it.. I'd enjoy the game a whole lot more.. but as of now, I just avoid it, and pray that I don't end up in a group with all the idiots you keep running to endgame.

but really, running is a business, and you have to be prepared for scams, from both ends. If you think your never gonna get ripped off doing something that wasn't initially implemented by A-Net, your gonna be sorely dissapointed unless you try to prevent it yourself.

Count to Potato

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Imagination Land

I Swear She Was Eighteen [Gwen]

W/

07 Apr 2006 at 19:50 - 35

If you scam somone then your a cheat, on Anet if you hack.. cheat you get banned, so scammers should get banned, run scammers however are more to be called unskilfull because if they dont finish the run it basically means that they arent able to