This is worse than an EBay Gold Farmer.
kdhoney44
Ah! Thats scary picture...*runs to hide*
Angelina
I personally find that an iway fame farmer is worst than an ebay gold farmer.
Kern Wolf
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Originally Posted by WoodyDotNet
Maybe a solution could be if you clicked on an item dropped for you, it appears in your inventory without your having to run up to grap it...dead or not.
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Also, it would keep some PUG members a little more honest, and easier to manage. You won't have to worry about getting scammed by a PUG member, because the items arent left there.
I was in a PUG in fow 2 days ago, and we were doing great. I had missed a shard that dropped for me. A PUG member had picked it up, and when we had a break in the action, he gave it to me (I had totally missed the drop). I thanked him numerous times for his honestly (we all know how badly we want those shards..lol). It's too bad a lot of PUG members don't have that type of integrity...
tomcruisejr
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Originally Posted by Angelina
I personally find that an iway fame farmer is worst than an ebay gold farmer.
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offtopic: i cant sell my fame whilst gold farmers can sell their gold.
Jiao Yang
Well thats mean, but it was bound to happen. If he hadn't picked them all up someone would have got one that was origionally assigned to them anyway. Its just a shame there's nothing you can do.
Greedy Gus
Wow I hope your learned your lesson. The entire reason you do tombs runs is for greens. When you kill the bosses, grab your drop.
floplag
let me get this straight.. some of you are telling this guys its HIS fault for not rushing out to get his stuff in the middle of a fight... youd be the same hypocrit that would give him grief if he did that for leaving you to fight it out alone
shouldnt happen, ever.
yes, its a game.. but thats not an excuse to throw out whatever measure of class you may have, grow up
shouldnt happen, ever.
yes, its a game.. but thats not an excuse to throw out whatever measure of class you may have, grow up
Greedy Gus
The fight was over when the greens dropped.
First of all, it's poor form to not save the darknesses till last so you can focus your attention on them. Second, the game mechanic should be known by the time you're in an end-game, high end PvE area: saved drops do not last forever, they expire and then anyone can pick them up. If you sit and gab about the drops before you even pick them up, it's your fault when someone else picks them up later.
First of all, it's poor form to not save the darknesses till last so you can focus your attention on them. Second, the game mechanic should be known by the time you're in an end-game, high end PvE area: saved drops do not last forever, they expire and then anyone can pick them up. If you sit and gab about the drops before you even pick them up, it's your fault when someone else picks them up later.
tomcruisejr
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Originally Posted by Greedy Gus
The fight was over when the greens dropped.
First of all, it's poor form to not save the darknesses till last so you can focus your attention on them. Second, the game mechanic should be known by the time you're in an end-game, high end PvE area: saved drops do not last forever, they expire and then anyone can pick them up. If you sit and gab about the drops before you even pick them up, it's your fault when someone else picks them up later. |
they were left unpicked for a reason and that is not not wanting them. someone took advantage of item assignment expiration. and i think it should be fixed so things like this wont happen again.
mrbb
Some time ago I posted a thread with a poll asking if unassigned drops were fair game to pick up and while many said it depends on whether the group was fighting etc, the result was 50/50.
So... whenever your drop gets unassigned you will have 50% chances that the player will pick it up and not care and 50% chance of another played picking it up and giving it to you later.
So... whenever your drop gets unassigned you will have 50% chances that the player will pick it up and not care and 50% chance of another played picking it up and giving it to you later.
Greedy Gus
Personally, I like the mechanic. It makes items go unwasted if someone doesn't pick them up and someone else wants them. And yes, it was your fault for not picking them up. I still don't understand why you left the items "unpicked for a reason" yet still feel that they "belong" to you once the assignment expires. If you want to play with people who abide by your made-up rules (only picking up what the logs say dropped for you), then play with guildies. But don't be a scrub and complain that someone didn't abide by your rules.
The mechanic might be at fault here if the assignments only lasted for a few seconds, but that is simply not the case. They are plenty long enough for anyone to finish what they're doing and still grab their stuff, while not being so inordinately long that no one can grab items that were left unwanted by others.
The mechanic might be at fault here if the assignments only lasted for a few seconds, but that is simply not the case. They are plenty long enough for anyone to finish what they're doing and still grab their stuff, while not being so inordinately long that no one can grab items that were left unwanted by others.
tomcruisejr
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Originally Posted by Greedy Gus
I still don't understand why you left the items "unpicked for a reason" yet still feel that they "belong" to you once the assignment expires.
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imagine this. you were still inside the instance. you have the chance to be ressed and your party mate took the item that belonged to you because the assignment expired. say Victo's Bulwark. wont you get pissed?
i wont get pissed if i got error 7/dced from that instance.
Greedy Gus
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Originally Posted by tomcruisejr
coz maybe if we rushed and picked we wont be able to and well zone to Tombs waiting area.
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Originally Posted by The Rules
8. Do Not Abuse the English Language
This is a message board, not a chat room. Secondly, Don't use "Leet-Speak" here. As such, you have all the time necessary to articulate your posts in a coherent matter. "You" is only two more letters than "u." It won't kill you to type them. Completely illegible posts are subject to moderation - and I can't guarantee their accuracy of 'translating' the author’s original message. |
tomcruisejr
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Originally Posted by Greedy Gus
Frankly, I can't understand your message. Take the time to write a real sentence.
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/time spent: 2 minute or so.
using one's faulty grammar as a counter argument is worse than iway fame farming
Greedy Gus
I already mentioned that it's poor form to go straight for the bosses without taking out the roaming mobs first; you're lucky you didn't all wipe. Anyway, I fail to see how aggroing too many enemies and killing the bosses first is anyone's fault but your group's.
If you're going to kill the bosses first, it should go without saying that, if you manage to kill them, you should grab the drops and consider yourself lucky, rather than turning to fight the other enemies for a minute with the greens sitting on the ground in front of you. Again, in an end-game situation, you should have a full grasp on the game mechanics.
It was hardly a counter argument. I couldn't understand what you meant, and was reminding you of the rules.
If you're going to kill the bosses first, it should go without saying that, if you manage to kill them, you should grab the drops and consider yourself lucky, rather than turning to fight the other enemies for a minute with the greens sitting on the ground in front of you. Again, in an end-game situation, you should have a full grasp on the game mechanics.
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Matsumi
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I already mentioned that it's poor form to go straight for the bosses without taking out the roaming mobs first; you're lucky you didn't all wipe.
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Jessyi
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Originally Posted by tomcruisejr
using one's faulty grammar as a counter argument is worse than iway fame farming
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Way off topic now:
My stance on fame farming is this: Maybe if people weren't emote-discriminating turds in America, people wouldn't be compelled to hand Europe favor every day in exchange for a few measily fame points. If you don't have r3 at LEAST, you can't do anything. So how do you get it if you're never given a chance? Keep in mind not everyone is connected enough to find a high ranking guild (or even a half-way skilled guild) to do HA with. America DESERVES IWAY.
-Jessyi
CyberNigma
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Originally Posted by Phaern Majes
wow.... that is an all time low
EDIT: Despite the lowness of that act... edit the names. Unless you have a screenshot of their consent for showing their names. Just saying don't be surprised if they get edited out until you do. 2nd EDIT: |
tomcruisejr
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Originally Posted by Greedy Gus
I already mentioned that it's poor form to go straight for the bosses without taking out the roaming mobs first; you're lucky you didn't all wipe. Anyway, I fail to see how aggroing too many enemies and killing the bosses first is anyone's fault but your group's.
If you're going to kill the bosses first, it should go without saying that, if you manage to kill them, you should grab the drops and consider yourself lucky, rather than turning to fight the other enemies for a minute with the greens sitting on the ground in front of you. Again, in an end-game situation, you should have a full grasp on the game mechanics. |
if the assignment didnt expire (that soon), there will be no pissed people and that guy wont even think about taking them greens.
Silent Kitty
Very few people know that it's bad strategy/form to grab items, while your mates are dead or still fighting.
This game is either going down the drain fast, or there must be a meeting of greedy people in this thread.
I expressed myself very mild in my former sentence.
This game is either going down the drain fast, or there must be a meeting of greedy people in this thread.
I expressed myself very mild in my former sentence.
Phaern Majes
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I was thinking about that recently. I believe GW's EULA clearly states in there that all names, characters, etc submitted to the game become the property of ArenaNet/NCSoft. I could be wrong, though. When I get home I'll check it out again. If this is the case, then you'd really only need ANet's consent to use it and not the player's consent.
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To everyone else that says its the OP's fault, please never ever ever ever ever group with me. My IGN <------- right there. I hate people who steal other peoples drops. It doesn't matter what the reason is for them not picking it up.
Seriously, if you're in the UW say with a full party, and say for some reason 2 groups of smites got pulled. And the first smite drops an ecto for the healer. You're telling me that healer should blatantly disregard healing anyone until he picks up that ecto, and die shortly after doing so? Meanwhile the rest of the party dies, due to lack of healing. So thats around 30 smites that go unkilled in that run, not to mention several quests that could of been done. All for the your greed to pick up an item? Way to ruin peoples day. If that monk would of just waited and kept people healed, then despite the fact that it may of been unassigned, its still his. Everyone in the group would know that it was his. They would also know that if he had just ran after it, they probably would of died. So I fail to see why he shouldn't still get it.
Above situation is hypothetical. But it is a common situation and has happened to my groups in other areas. As it has likely happened to several of you in one way or another.
CyberNigma
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Originally Posted by Phaern Majes
That may be the case, but I believe Guru has strict rules about using names without the owners permission. This way people don't find themselves being unanimously hated, despite whether or not they deserve it. I'd think that Anet gives up those rights by letting their gamers screenshot. Isn't that the point of taking a screenshot, so you can show people? Its not like you are stealing their names or characters. Anyways you might be right, let me know. To everyone else that says its the OP's fault, please never ever ever ever ever group with me. My IGN <------- right there. I hate people who steal other peoples drops. It doesn't matter what the reason is for them not picking it up.
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Regardless, I wouldn't start posting names because whether the players 'own' it or ANet 'owns' it and allows screenshots, it's still the forum owner's policy. I do understand the point of being wrongfully accused, and unlike in the real world they can't real get someone in the forums for slander because ANet controls all the evidence :-) It should be considered though, that it's the player's permission and not the owners. If it is to prevent someone from getting wrongfully accused, that's one thing, but if it were to protect someone's property, well that's another (character name, etc)..
Matsumi
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Seriously, if you're in the UW say with a full party, and say for some reason 2 groups of smites got pulled. And the first smite drops an ecto for the healer. You're telling me that healer should blatantly disregard healing anyone until he picks up that ecto, and die shortly after doing so? Meanwhile the rest of the party dies, due to lack of healing. So thats around 30 smites that go unkilled in that run, not to mention several quests that could of been done. All for the your greed to pick up an item? Way to ruin peoples day. If that monk would of just waited and kept people healed, then despite the fact that it may of been unassigned, its still his. Everyone in the group would know that it was his. They would also know that if he had just ran after it, they probably would of died. So I fail to see why he shouldn't still get it.
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Count to Potato
Somone else told a similiar story on these forums, i think wat happened was the monk didn't res him so he coudnt get his item wat a #@!@$
keldean rainmaker
please pm me the name of the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing guy that pick other ppls green..i do tombs frequently,and to all the people that says it was the OP fault for not getting his green ASAP,dont even dare to add me in your farming groups.this is some bullshit.It was obvious that although we cant hope for another person to have same moral value as us,but atleast they should know that they live in a society that values good over evil.
Mimi Miyagi
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Originally Posted by keldean rainmaker
please pm me the name of the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing guy that pick other ppls green..i do tombs frequently,and to all the people that says it was the OP fault for not getting his green ASAP,dont even dare to add me in your farming groups.this is some bullshit.It was obvious that although we cant hope for another person to have same moral value as us,but atleast they should know that they live in a society that values good over evil.
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And expecting honor in a PUG is hilarious. In a guild run, it's one thing (but it still happens, I'm sure), but in a PUG it's every man woman and child for themselves. Lord knows I've seen enough "bad" behavior to get jaded in all aspects of GW, not just PUGs. Kiddies sacrificing themselves during RA to screw the team, scammers, people that go AFK during a PvP game (RA/TA/HA/GvG), Necro MMs that build up a huge army, then kill themselves just to watch his army kill his teammates...list is almost endless.
Face it, it could be worse, you could be enjoying the ninja looting in WoW.
Spiteful Soul
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Excuse me? If you would have taken the time to read my post, you might have noticed that I stated two problems:
-Not getting drops that have been assigned to you -Getting wiped at places where you have to return to outpost and start over Whether it be UW, FOW, SF, Tombs or missions, those apply. Why you dragged farming into this, I'll never know. The same problems arise just as well when a group of people try to play casually and there's one idiot in the group. Does it really matter if your 15^50 fellblade gets jacked during a 5-man Oro run or while completing Thunderhead Keep? I also tried to offer a possible solution for the problem, but hey, if discussing things makes you bored, I guess throwing shit around randomly works too  |
Why I dragged farming into this? Well if you where to get
yourself out of pre searing you will know. The Tombs is a farming
area. If you don't know what you are talking about don't post.
We don't want to hear a story from you. Where you got your
ass kicked from a low lvl area cause you wanted a 50g item.
Spiteful Soul
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Originally Posted by Mimi Miyagi
The player with the drop is responsible for his drops, not anyone else. Tombs is a special case - the whole trip's purpose is to get the green items at the end. You're given more than ample opportunity to pick up the items laying on the ground, and I doubt any group would get pissed at you if a Bulwark fell for you and you dropped whatever you were doing and picking it up. If you leave it there for 2 minutes even after the darkness are all dead, that's simply stupidity. There is no point in worrying about fighting some monsters after the greens are dropped.
And expecting honor in a PUG is hilarious. In a guild run, it's one thing (but it still happens, I'm sure), but in a PUG it's every man woman and child for themselves. Lord knows I've seen enough "bad" behavior to get jaded in all aspects of GW, not just PUGs. Kiddies sacrificing themselves during RA to screw the team, scammers, people that go AFK during a PvP game (RA/TA/HA/GvG), Necro MMs that build up a huge army, then kill themselves just to watch his army kill his teammates...list is almost endless. Face it, it could be worse, you could be enjoying the ninja looting in WoW. |
Almost the same thing I posted but with more detail.
This is so True
Greedy Gus
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Originally Posted by keldean rainmaker
to all the people that says it was the OP fault for not getting his green ASAP,dont even dare to add me in your farming groups.
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Pandora's box
Its weird. When its about PvP matches where players join to harvest fast Faction points everyone agrees that its bad when players leave premature, letting down their party. But when its about PvE farming I hear several reactions [nana-na-nana (long nose) own fault, blabla] in a situation thats much worse than abandoning the party: pure robbery!
Sure, there are no rules that say you may not pick up items after the personal drop lock is lifted, just as there are no rules that say you are not allowed to leave a match when you think your team cant win. But both are simply unacceptable, so new rules have to be added. A prolongued time to reserve drops seems the best solution here.
Sure, there are no rules that say you may not pick up items after the personal drop lock is lifted, just as there are no rules that say you are not allowed to leave a match when you think your team cant win. But both are simply unacceptable, so new rules have to be added. A prolongued time to reserve drops seems the best solution here.
Greedy Gus
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Its weird. When its about PvP matches where players join to harvest fast Faction points everyone agrees that its bad when players leave premature, letting down their party. But when its about PvE farming I hear several reactions [nana-na-nana (long nose) own fault, blabla] in a situation thats much worse than abandoning the party: pure robbery!
Sure, there are no rules that say you may not pick up items after the personal drop lock is lifted, just as there are no rules that say you are not allowed to leave a match when you think your team cant win. But both are simply unacceptable, so new rules have to be added. A prolongued time to reserve drops seems the best solution here. |
, in reality they're not. That's a false analogy.Your conclusion was similarly ridiculous. Because you find two practices "unacceptable", new rules "have to" be added to prevent them? Give me a break. Do you know how long it takes for a drop to lose its assignment? Of course you don't. You were taken in by an emotional story and decided to stick up for a fellow carebear. The fact is, the assignment part of a dropped item disappears after exactly 5 minutes. If you are honestly going to sit here and argue that this needs to be extended, I'm astonished. That's more than plenty of time. I'd say it's already on the long side.
Pandora's box
This is not a political discussion where every decission has to be discussed in details before someone can accept the responsibillity to take action lol! Solutions need to be both sober and effective. It does not matter if its about 1, 5, or 10 minutes. What matters is that it only takes 2 minutes programming to set the counter from 5 minutes to 15. Problem solved! 
And it does not hurt anyone exept potentional abusers.
Farmermancer
This is nothing compared to Diablo 2 where you would need to actually cheat to have a shot at picking up an item worth anything.
Str0b0
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This is nothing compared to Diablo 2 where you would need to actually cheat to have a shot at picking up an item worth anything.
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Sha Noran
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For real. If you weren't soloing the boss runs for items then you better have Pickit otherwise you're not getting anything good. And forget an Uber D kill for the if he hits in a run game. Then every goober goes after him and you have to fight for your anni.
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Anyway, I'm sorry but if you joined a PuG group for the sole purpose of getting a green, then got one and didn't pick it up then you are simply a moron. How can you expect someone to not pick it up?
That said, you did mention that the one who ninja'd the items was the party leader... was he instructing you to NOT get your items and instead to continue the fight until the end? Because if he was then it's different... then he tricked you out of your items and its not really your fault (although, leaving it is a bad idea in any case, but at least this puts SOME blame on the dude).
If that wasn't what happened, well then... welcome to PvE. Now you know. :-/
Kool Pajamas
No matter what, what the guy did was really really bad.
But whenever a green drops for me, I grab it as soon as I possibly can.
But whenever a green drops for me, I grab it as soon as I possibly can.
J3mo
FFS (And i dont mean the fiery flame spitter) that is lame !!
But do they count it as a violation?
I mean they wont get un-assigned for nothing
But do they count it as a violation?
I mean they wont get un-assigned for nothing
Hunter Sharparrow
I once had a gold armor drop for me while doing a sorrows run however we ended up aggroing a second group leaving us with Yakslapper and a Dolyak Master side by side and varrious other enemies. It was a 5 man and 3 of us died including myself but not before dwindling the groups down to just the yakslapper, necro and cleaver. Two left the group and the remaining two (bonder and stance) rezed me (SS) but by the time they got around to it the armor (that dropped after I had died) was up for grabs and it was the bonder who took it on me. So I stood there. I was being attacked but with a Dwarf healer NPC nearby I couldn't be killed and without my ss and interupt they couldn't kill the three enemies. So the bonder started to get low on energy and was telling me to help so I told him "drop the armor and I'll drop the enemies". He started complaining calling me this and that and even said that I didn't have what it takes to take out the enemies and was just using the armor as an excuse. I just repeated the same line. So he gave in after the warrior noticed what was going on and started after him as well (I guess he had the same mentality about drops as myself, the OP of this post and a few others who replied). After picking up the item I took control and got them to pull the three enemies together where I used ss, echo and backfire to take out all three at once. The Yakslapper green dropped for me. Perfect reward for putting a thief in his place.
The assignment of drops needs a definite fix. I believe a suggestion on this topic has already been made on the forum. Take a look.
The assignment of drops needs a definite fix. I believe a suggestion on this topic has already been made on the forum. Take a look.