why dont people like wammo's i dont se th piont is it because there are loads of them?
also why do people say a FDS is the noobs weapon of chioce has it got some fatal flaw with it or is it just not very rare?
A leprechaun
wammo's and FDS
A Leprechaun
Silent Kitty
Wammo is a good first character. You can learn allot from playing a Wammo.
A Leprechaun
i have just started using a wammo (2nd character)
and my bro played it first character he is lvl 20 and pretty good he weilds an FDS and some peoiple say it is the noobs weapon of chioce why?
and my bro played it first character he is lvl 20 and pretty good he weilds an FDS and some peoiple say it is the noobs weapon of chioce why?
Urias Skult
People tend to dislike Wammo's because they are arguably the most common type of character. Usually this means a higher rate of bad players that do stupid things in missions.
FDS isnt a terribly bad sword, but its now considered newbish with all the superior gold, green and other rare weapons with better stats. Newbs usually use a FDS as its cheap and it looks cool.
I remember them selling for 100k+ when they first started dropping, now, ~$500.
FDS isnt a terribly bad sword, but its now considered newbish with all the superior gold, green and other rare weapons with better stats. Newbs usually use a FDS as its cheap and it looks cool.
I remember them selling for 100k+ when they first started dropping, now, ~$500.
Silent Kitty
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i have just started using a wammo (2nd character)
and my bro played it first character he is lvl 20 and pretty good he weilds an FDS and some peoiple say it is the noobs weapon of chioce why? |
What other people say should never influence your gaming experience. If your Wammo is strong, than it must be good.
Urias Skult
FDS= Fiery dragon Sword.
Evilsod
FDS = Noob weapon of choice because Rurik has one. Anyone who starts the game or has little money wants 1 cos it looks cool. Later players realise that you can get much cooler weapons (also that swords are pretty crap compared to axes) and the first upgrade is much better when its not 'Fiery'. Although it can be a good base for a Mark of Rodgort build.
As Urias said the W/Mo is the most common class around and its hated purely because some think they're godly and do an incredibly large amount of stupid things. Hence why i never accept invites from W/Mo since they're almost always random.
I began the game as a R/W, been a noob i used a sword for some reason (i still have no idea why, think its cos my bow was crap). I learnt alot about the game simply from the fact i got my ass kicked in melee often. Tbh i wouldn't say W/Mo is the best char to learn the game on as many of them don't seem to have a clue about this thing called 'energy' that Elementalists and Monks have problems with between fights is and this is on levels like Abaddons Mouth and Thunderkeep.
As Urias said the W/Mo is the most common class around and its hated purely because some think they're godly and do an incredibly large amount of stupid things. Hence why i never accept invites from W/Mo since they're almost always random.
I began the game as a R/W, been a noob i used a sword for some reason (i still have no idea why, think its cos my bow was crap). I learnt alot about the game simply from the fact i got my ass kicked in melee often. Tbh i wouldn't say W/Mo is the best char to learn the game on as many of them don't seem to have a clue about this thing called 'energy' that Elementalists and Monks have problems with between fights is and this is on levels like Abaddons Mouth and Thunderkeep.
Rilder
If you hear any body call you a noob because you use a FDS just ignore them or call them an elitest moron cause the FDS is not a bad sword, I personaly think its one of the greatest looking swords in the game, my warrior has had one since almost the entire time i've had him. its my "lucky sword" as i like to say. I have both a IDS and a FDS and I love my FDS more cause it looks cooler, so what that it dont have a "damage mod" (15^50 or whatever) thats why I love this game you dont need elite equip to be competitive
Replicant
I actually started the game as a W/Mo just becaue i love the ability to tank damage, do damage and heal myself. making me pretty much completly self-sustained. I always make Melee with Healing on all games i play.
The reason why people dislike W/Mo's is cause its used excessively, so more people to screw up and make the build look bad.
I mean.. how often do you see a Me/E get called a newb build... not often because of the fact that not many people use it.. Fast Casting + Damage + Glyph's + Wards can be very effective. however, if more people got it and all you ever saw was Me/E people would start calling them newbs since others may have made mistakes in the past...
Discrimination FTL....
As for the FDS, most people starting the game see rurik with one, so they want one too cause of the look. would you rather use a sword that looks like a sword, or a sword of fire that animates?..
The reason why people dislike W/Mo's is cause its used excessively, so more people to screw up and make the build look bad.
I mean.. how often do you see a Me/E get called a newb build... not often because of the fact that not many people use it.. Fast Casting + Damage + Glyph's + Wards can be very effective. however, if more people got it and all you ever saw was Me/E people would start calling them newbs since others may have made mistakes in the past...
Discrimination FTL....
As for the FDS, most people starting the game see rurik with one, so they want one too cause of the look. would you rather use a sword that looks like a sword, or a sword of fire that animates?..
ophidian409
For those who don't understand why FDS is a noob weapon let me explain clearly to you.
Fiery dragon sword has an inherent "fiery sword hilt" that you cannot replace with another hilt. There are many useful sword hilt such as zealous, barbed, crippling, poisoning, sundering etc. Fiery hilt doesn't do any bonus except that it can do extra damage to icy mobs. People say you are noob becasue they see you are using FDS against normal mobs, but people don't say that when you kill icy mobs, they just think you are smart unless they don't know that.
Fiery dragon sword has an inherent "fiery sword hilt" that you cannot replace with another hilt. There are many useful sword hilt such as zealous, barbed, crippling, poisoning, sundering etc. Fiery hilt doesn't do any bonus except that it can do extra damage to icy mobs. People say you are noob becasue they see you are using FDS against normal mobs, but people don't say that when you kill icy mobs, they just think you are smart unless they don't know that.
Haggard
It is possible to have noobs of other profession;
In FoW yesterday I had a mesmer who claimed to be domination, but was in fact Illusion with Grenths balance as his elite, and regularly charged in. As the battery, I was spamming BiP far more than I would have to with a good team, and he died repeatedly (mesmers dont make good leeroys).
Or the Barrager/Pet ranger in tombs yesterday, who brought neither Barrage.. or a Pet (instead he spammed savage shot on things that werent casting, used apply poison, a 7 second Aegis, and Vital blessing on himself).
But having said that, the majority of new players are W/Mos, and the FDS appeals to them because its cheap and (for a new player) looks frickin' awesome.
Well, I think Fire is powerful against bugs and Charr too, which is most of ascalon, and after that theres the icy shiverpeaks, so at the start of the game you really can't go wrong with an IDS.
In FoW yesterday I had a mesmer who claimed to be domination, but was in fact Illusion with Grenths balance as his elite, and regularly charged in. As the battery, I was spamming BiP far more than I would have to with a good team, and he died repeatedly (mesmers dont make good leeroys).
Or the Barrager/Pet ranger in tombs yesterday, who brought neither Barrage.. or a Pet (instead he spammed savage shot on things that werent casting, used apply poison, a 7 second Aegis, and Vital blessing on himself).
But having said that, the majority of new players are W/Mos, and the FDS appeals to them because its cheap and (for a new player) looks frickin' awesome.
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People say you are noob becasue they see you are using FDS against normal mobs, but people don't say that when you kill icy mobs, they just think you are smart unless they don't know that.
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Worthington
it's not just about Icy mobs (when using a FDS) it's about mob profession. Elemental hilts bypass warrior's advanced resistence to physical damage. Take and Icy sword and a 3/1 Vamp sword and go beat on some warrior mobs.. The Icy swords will do far more damage, unless of course it's some kind of ice creature.
Nothing all at wrong with a FDS at all, as long as you understand it's place. My warriors primary weapon is an IDS, cause it looks damn cool. That doesn't mean I don't switch to a different sword when taking on ranger\ele mobs. Sometimes it's just the right tool for the job. The samn people calling you a newb are probably the same people who will Frenzy\Healsig.
Nothing all at wrong with a FDS at all, as long as you understand it's place. My warriors primary weapon is an IDS, cause it looks damn cool. That doesn't mean I don't switch to a different sword when taking on ranger\ele mobs. Sometimes it's just the right tool for the job. The samn people calling you a newb are probably the same people who will Frenzy\Healsig.
MisterB
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The samn people calling you a newb are probably the same people who will Frenzy\Healsig.
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On topic, my W/Mo is my first and favorite character, but I have never used an FDS, as a Zealous mod is always more useful to me, and I use axes anyway. I like my IDS for the less than 1% of the time I use a riposte/deadly riposte build.
Fred Kiwi
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Or the Barrager/Pet ranger in tombs yesterday, who brought neither Barrage.. or a Pet (instead he spammed savage shot on things that werent casting, used apply poison, a 7 second Aegis, and Vital blessing on himself).
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noice1
True, lots of players play W/Mo, but I really haven't seen too many "noob" Warriors. Maybe I just don't notice it as I, myself, am holding my own in every fight. Maybe if I was a another caster or playing on my elementalist I'd notice the noob warrior of the party? Guess I've been fortunate, and there seems to be an exploded population of warriors in general in the game, while monks are still hard to come by. I don't have a FDS or IDS and I get by just fine.
Don Zardeone
Opinions are crap, math and facts are all that matters.
Wammos... whatever
Fiery Dragon Swords?
An FDS does fire elemental damage by default. Lets compare a perfect FDS of of fortitude with a perfect sundering longsword of fortitude.
Imagine you're a warrior and you have both these weapons. You're fighting another warrior. The other warrior uses full gladiator armour which has:
- 80 armour
- +20 armour vs physical
You use your sundering longsword to fight this guy. One in every 10 hits (I think it's even less than 1 in every 10), you will have a hit that has 10% armor penetration.
Your longsword does slashing damage which is physical.
Your enemy has 100 armour vs physical.
(correct me if I'm wrong because I'm not sure here...)
If you do that 1/10 hit, you'll hit him as if he has 90 armour. You will probably do a little more damage.
As I said before, it only happens once in every ten or more hits. Chances are, you hit a guy 100 times and you only get the sundering hit in once but whatever...
Now lets do the same with a fiery dragon sword.
The guy has 80 armour vs everything and +20 vs physical.
You do elemental damage so your FDS will bypass the "vs physical damage" with every hit you do.
You don't care about the extra +20 AL and you'll be fighting the guys 80 armour.
This should theoretically mean that your FDS has a 20% armour penetration on this guy on every hit (compared to the other sword) and is therefore at least 200 times better than a sundering longsword of anything.
I don't see why an FDS should be considered noob.
Maybe it's because so many wars use it on the fire islands =P
(I am an idiot, my calculations may be incorrect O.o)
Wammos... whatever
Fiery Dragon Swords?
An FDS does fire elemental damage by default. Lets compare a perfect FDS of of fortitude with a perfect sundering longsword of fortitude.
Imagine you're a warrior and you have both these weapons. You're fighting another warrior. The other warrior uses full gladiator armour which has:
- 80 armour
- +20 armour vs physical
You use your sundering longsword to fight this guy. One in every 10 hits (I think it's even less than 1 in every 10), you will have a hit that has 10% armor penetration.
Your longsword does slashing damage which is physical.
Your enemy has 100 armour vs physical.
(correct me if I'm wrong because I'm not sure here...)
If you do that 1/10 hit, you'll hit him as if he has 90 armour. You will probably do a little more damage.
As I said before, it only happens once in every ten or more hits. Chances are, you hit a guy 100 times and you only get the sundering hit in once but whatever...
Now lets do the same with a fiery dragon sword.
The guy has 80 armour vs everything and +20 vs physical.
You do elemental damage so your FDS will bypass the "vs physical damage" with every hit you do.
You don't care about the extra +20 AL and you'll be fighting the guys 80 armour.
This should theoretically mean that your FDS has a 20% armour penetration on this guy on every hit (compared to the other sword) and is therefore at least 200 times better than a sundering longsword of anything.
I don't see why an FDS should be considered noob.
Maybe it's because so many wars use it on the fire islands =P
(I am an idiot, my calculations may be incorrect O.o)
Avarre
Who uses sundering?
In PvE, you want a Zealous sword. In PvP, generally vamp is liked more I'd think?
In PvE, you want a Zealous sword. In PvP, generally vamp is liked more I'd think?
Str0b0
Zealous FTW! I love my zealous fellblade. I didn't think it would make that much of a difference with only one point per hit and stripping one pip of regen. In fact I thought it would actually hurt my relatively energy heavy W/E build. In fact it saved it from being completely useless. Zealous and enchanting mods are a Warrior's best friend with an energy dependent secondary. Particularly Wammos who tend to use at least one enchantment.
Caelus The Fallen
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Opinions are crap, math and facts are all that matters.
Wammos... whatever Fiery Dragon Swords? An FDS does fire elemental damage by default. Lets compare a perfect FDS of of fortitude with a perfect sundering longsword of fortitude. Imagine you're a warrior and you have both these weapons. You're fighting another warrior. The other warrior uses full gladiator armour which has: - 80 armour - +20 armour vs physical You use your sundering longsword to fight this guy. One in every 10 hits (I think it's even less than 1 in every 10), you will have a hit that has 10% armor penetration. Your longsword does slashing damage which is physical. Your enemy has 100 armour vs physical. (correct me if I'm wrong because I'm not sure here...) If you do that 1/10 hit, you'll hit him as if he has 90 armour. You will probably do a little more damage. As I said before, it only happens once in every ten or more hits. Chances are, you hit a guy 100 times and you only get the sundering hit in once but whatever... Now lets do the same with a fiery dragon sword. The guy has 80 armour vs everything and +20 vs physical. You do elemental damage so your FDS will bypass the "vs physical damage" with every hit you do. You don't care about the extra +20 AL and you'll be fighting the guys 80 armour. This should theoretically mean that your FDS has a 20% armour penetration on this guy on every hit (compared to the other sword) and is therefore at least 200 times better than a sundering longsword of anything. I don't see why an FDS should be considered noob. Maybe it's because so many wars use it on the fire islands =P (I am an idiot, my calculations may be incorrect O.o) |
The expectation value would be to hit with sundering 10 times in 100, not once (thats why they call it 10% - ten per cent[hundred]).
And as such the fiery hilt is 20 times more useful, not 200.
Nonetheless a vampiric hilt does comparable extra damage - even more so if a Warrior adds more armour boosts like Watch Yourself.
Against 100 armour, your sword is basically 7-11, 80 armour is 10-15 [on the basis that you are hitting for 15-22 against 60 armour targets] approximately a gain of 3-4 damage, cf vampiric which is +3 for a sword.
Additional armour on the warrior will scale down the damage boost of the RFiery mod, but not that of the life stealing, moreover a vampiric mod is a very slight net heal, and with a speed boost becomes even moreso.
Finally, a vampiric will *also* add damage to every type of enemy, not just other warriors.
lennymon
Ever tried to monk for 3 wamos in a PuG? its enlightening, every once in awhile but rarely, all 3 are skilled. More typical however between 1 and 3 of every 3 has no clue (meaning - won't do and says bad things when asked politely about it) about positioning, called targets, caster energy (a good caster will not have significant downtime, but occaisionally may need to wait for the right spell the recharge). Basically I attempt to help them learn how to tank/aggro/position nicely in mission if they are new. When they are unreceptive towards constructive advice out they go, or out I go.
This is not to say that Wa/Mos are the only offenders in this line of reasoning, just the most often encountered. I really like the mesmer in FoW story, Illusion??? heh.
FDS, whatever... bash em all you like while you wield a fellblade. Who cares it'll get the job done, and if someone prefers to use all the time, and has fun... I'll play with em (unless they are one of those wamos from above
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This is not to say that Wa/Mos are the only offenders in this line of reasoning, just the most often encountered. I really like the mesmer in FoW story, Illusion??? heh.
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True, lots of players play W/Mo, but I really haven't seen too many "noob" Warriors. Maybe I just don't notice it as I, myself, am holding my own in every fight. Maybe if I was a another caster or playing on my elementalist I'd notice the noob warrior of the party? Guess I've been fortunate, and there seems to be an exploded population of warriors in general in the game, while monks are still hard to come by. I don't have a FDS or IDS and I get by just fine.
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FDS, whatever... bash em all you like while you wield a fellblade. Who cares it'll get the job done, and if someone prefers to use all the time, and has fun... I'll play with em (unless they are one of those wamos from above
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LittleBull
Here's some of the problems I see with W/Mo. I know it's a generalization, but given
the sheer number of them in the game, it covers quite a few of people
First of all... they join teams, but are not team players. They "think" they're self
sustaining, but they're not.
As warriors, they're mediocre because they usually waste half of their skill slots on
non damage based skills. Healing breeze, Mending, Ressurect, and of course sprint,
so they can run away and save themselves when everyone starts dying.
As tanks they are just as bad if not worse. They always run straight through all the
heavy hitters like Carvers and Herders and go for the casters in the back, leaving
the casters in their "team" to tank. Since they still have no damage based skills
equipped, it takes them forever to kill anything even thought they're "tanking"
casters. Another problem with this is that because they go for the casters in the
back, the other people in the "team" are forced to come into aggro range to support
their "team mate" making a bad situation worse. A lot of times a monk is forced to
run straight through aggro to try and get to him before the "self sustaining" fool
spamming HEAL HEAL HEAL is dead. I've been playing long enough to know that
it's best to just let him / her die, but most others will die trying to help them.
Anyway, that's a few things that come to mind real quick, and I'm mainly talking
about PvE PUGs. I'm sure it's different in PvP and guild groups, but I don't do them
much.
As far as I can tell the FDS is as good as any other sword in the game, all else being
equal.
the sheer number of them in the game, it covers quite a few of people
First of all... they join teams, but are not team players. They "think" they're self
sustaining, but they're not.
As warriors, they're mediocre because they usually waste half of their skill slots on
non damage based skills. Healing breeze, Mending, Ressurect, and of course sprint,
so they can run away and save themselves when everyone starts dying.
As tanks they are just as bad if not worse. They always run straight through all the
heavy hitters like Carvers and Herders and go for the casters in the back, leaving
the casters in their "team" to tank. Since they still have no damage based skills
equipped, it takes them forever to kill anything even thought they're "tanking"
casters. Another problem with this is that because they go for the casters in the
back, the other people in the "team" are forced to come into aggro range to support
their "team mate" making a bad situation worse. A lot of times a monk is forced to
run straight through aggro to try and get to him before the "self sustaining" fool
spamming HEAL HEAL HEAL is dead. I've been playing long enough to know that
it's best to just let him / her die, but most others will die trying to help them.
Anyway, that's a few things that come to mind real quick, and I'm mainly talking
about PvE PUGs. I'm sure it's different in PvP and guild groups, but I don't do them
much.
As far as I can tell the FDS is as good as any other sword in the game, all else being
equal.
Wretchman Drake
Can't Mark of Rodgort + FDS work? I'm not saying a W/E use this because this would destroy your energy pool but have an ele in your party do this? It probably wouldn't be that bad, maybe the Warrior run Battle Rage {E} with Sever Artery + Gash + Final Thrust.
Maria The Princess
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True, lots of players play W/Mo, but I really haven't seen too many "noob" Warriors. Maybe I just don't notice it as I, myself, am holding my own in every fight. Maybe if I was a another caster or playing on my elementalist I'd notice the noob warrior of the party? Guess I've been fortunate, and there seems to be an exploded population of warriors in general in the game, while monks are still hard to come by. I don't have a FDS or IDS and I get by just fine.
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1-is a swordmaship warrior who tries to replace a stance tank
2-dies evry 2 minutes
3-seems to be more excited then anyone
4-dosnt really know whats the mission/team objective
5-when joined didnt inquire of party build, didnt share his own (as: Hi! im Stance tank, who is the bonder? etc)
6-and a classic: even if has Spitful Spirit on him, he stands next to team mate stance tank and keeps doin cyclone axe
Overlord07
Hahaha Why is there all this fuss over freakin swords???!!! Why use a lame sword when you can use an awsome HAMMER!!! As Don Zardeone said, look at the stats... 15-22dmg (sword) v. 28-35dmg (hammer). Sure theres a difference in attack times, 1.22sec (sword) v. 1.75sec (hammer). But whats a lousy .53 sec between attacks when theres such a difference in dmg done? Come on! Look at the FACTS!!! 
Savio
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Hahaha Why is there all this fuss over freakin swords???!!! Why use a lame sword when you can use an awsome HAMMER!!! As Don Zardeone said, look at the stats... 15-22dmg (sword) v. 28-35dmg (hammer). Sure theres a difference in attack times, 1.22sec (sword) v. 1.75sec (hammer). But whats a lousy .53 sec between attacks when theres such a difference in dmg done? Come on! Look at the FACTS!!!
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Why people don't like Wammos and FDSes in PvP:
Avarre
Yeah, because with hammer you can tank SO well. -16 armor and +2/+4 damage isn't worth the extra damage in PvE.
In PvP, hammers are cool but both them and swords have their place.
In PvP, hammers are cool but both them and swords have their place.
Maria The Princess
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Yeah, because with hammer you can tank SO well. -16 armor and +2/+4 damage isn't worth the extra damage in PvE.
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Cherno
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FDS isnt a terribly bad sword, but its now considered newbish with all the superior gold, green and other rare weapons with better stats. Newbs usually use a FDS as its cheap and it looks cool.
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People just like to feel like they are better than others. Because that is the first really unique skin that is seen in presearing people want to get one. "Experienced" players like to pick on those people.
If you need a Fiery sword for some reason, there is nothing wrong with it being an FDS as long as it has good stats. It all comes down to a matter of skin preference.
Same thing with "Wammos" Just about every guide or site I have seen indicate that a Warrior/Monk is a good way for brand new players to start. You can do simple play with some self heals. It is the unfortunate wammos that have an inflated since of invincibility and lack of understanding of team dynamics that give warrior/monks a bad name without having even seeing the person play.
Cherno
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As warriors, they're mediocre because they usually waste half of their skill slots on non damage based skills.
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It all depends on the role you are playing. In many areas a true tank can have 0 dmg skills on the bar and serve his role to a t.
Also, some warriors (as well as many other classes) use monk secondary just for a reusable res, while the rest of the bar is filled with their primary skills.
Fluffyx
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why dont people like wammo's i dont se th piont is it because there are loads of them?
also why do people say a FDS is the noobs weapon of chioce has it got some fatal flaw with it or is it just not very rare? A leprechaun |
FDS was a very popular weapon. Most likely they assume they jumped on the bandwagon and use it because everyone else thinks its cool.
Cottage Pie
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For those who don't understand why FDS is a noob weapon let me explain clearly to you.
Fiery dragon sword has an inherent "fiery sword hilt" that you cannot replace with another hilt. There are many useful sword hilt such as zealous, barbed, crippling, poisoning, sundering etc. Fiery hilt doesn't do any bonus except that it can do extra damage to icy mobs. People say you are noob becasue they see you are using FDS against normal mobs, but people don't say that when you kill icy mobs, they just think you are smart unless they don't know that. |
Wrong, firey is a very useful mod type. It negates +xx ar Vs physical resistances and does more damage to undead and icy, also triggers conjour flame. it's 100 times more useful than sundering, but personally I tend to use Zealous mods on a paladin-esk build.
xiv
ok yeah its true wammo isa great first charit happened to be my firstchar. there very well balanced n the means they can use self heal etc the real advantages of wammos is how cheap and easy itis to make money by urself with them and also how easy it is to run to certain places. i ran myself to quite a few places with him. i don't play on him very much memore but hes a great char.
on the fds. it has one major flaw. u can't add a new prefix. you can't remove the firery mod for a new one like sundering which is what most people want on there weapons. ect this drawback akes it unwanted not tomention the skin is way to common.
on the fds. it has one major flaw. u can't add a new prefix. you can't remove the firery mod for a new one like sundering which is what most people want on there weapons. ect this drawback akes it unwanted not tomention the skin is way to common.
Don Zardeone
Someone mentioned that many fansites say that wammo is a good idea for a first character or first warrior or whatever.
Imo, it should say that wammo is an "easier" profession combo.
I think it is a bit more complicated to play an effective W/Me or W/E in PvE (when you're new to to GW) but that doesn't mean it's worse than W/Mo. It just requires a little bit more thinking.
Wammo is like this:
"I smash the mean things and then I heal my owie."
Other secondaries think like this:
"We will probably be fighting these and those, we have these guys in our team so I better bring this and that. Oh wait, I don't have a skill that does this, better ask team if they can bring it instead. Oops almost forgot to bring res."
Etc...
EDIT/ but not all wammos are like that!
Imo, it should say that wammo is an "easier" profession combo.
I think it is a bit more complicated to play an effective W/Me or W/E in PvE (when you're new to to GW) but that doesn't mean it's worse than W/Mo. It just requires a little bit more thinking.
Wammo is like this:
"I smash the mean things and then I heal my owie."
Other secondaries think like this:
"We will probably be fighting these and those, we have these guys in our team so I better bring this and that. Oh wait, I don't have a skill that does this, better ask team if they can bring it instead. Oops almost forgot to bring res."
Etc...
EDIT/ but not all wammos are like that!
LittleBull
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So all those defense/stance based tanks are mediocre?
It all depends on the role you are playing. In many areas a true tank can have 0 dmg skills on the bar and serve his role to a t. Also, some warriors (as well as many other classes) use monk secondary just for a reusable res, while the rest of the bar is filled with their primary skills. |
And I also stated why they make poor tanks too... because they usually go after the casters
rather than drawing the aggro of the heavy hitters like they should.
It's not that thay can't be good tanks... it's that they "aren't" good tanks.
Oh... and the last thing I would want from a warrior in PvE is the ability
to rez.
There is a differance between a "warrior" and a "tank" right?
Maybe that's part of the problem. When I say I'm looking for
a tank, I'm looking for something different than when I say I'm
looking for a warrior. I guess that not everyone sees a them
as two kinds of builds.
Be that as it may... W/Mo's still aren't very good as either.
Maria The Princess
look at Sorows Furnace 5 man build. Wammo is pure stance, maby 1 or 2 damage skills, and we need that so miions and ss necro can just kill the bad guys without dealing with aggro. i actually prefer having stance tank in team then damage warior, cuz they just die waaaay to much and waist my energy.
but its really how YOU play+what team needs from you.
but its really how YOU play+what team needs from you.
Evilsod
Stance tanks don't HAVE to be pure damage reduction/evasion
I have a Victos Axe (customise) req 9 and a Chaos Axe req 8 (same stats not customised).
I use the chaos for stance tanking, victos for everything else (least till i decide to customise it) purely because i'm not there to do damage, i'm there to assist the rest of em so all i take it Dismember (nothing beats a deep wound) and Power Attack so i stick with the lowest req i can get (using a sup of course to help).
Since when did Fiery do more to undead? Isn't it just Holy that does extra damage there?
Zardeone, Wammo is definatly the easier profession to play first, not the best to start with.
Imo ranger is the best. It lets you know your still a priority squishy so casters are gonna be screwed even more and you can paly many different styles.
I have no problem bringing an FDS if it might be useful, but the real question is, is it customised? Using a green weapon because you think it looks good (or anything for that matter) then not customising is the nooby thing to do. 20% extra damage is somet you can't turn down.
I have a Victos Axe (customise) req 9 and a Chaos Axe req 8 (same stats not customised).
I use the chaos for stance tanking, victos for everything else (least till i decide to customise it) purely because i'm not there to do damage, i'm there to assist the rest of em so all i take it Dismember (nothing beats a deep wound) and Power Attack so i stick with the lowest req i can get (using a sup of course to help).
Since when did Fiery do more to undead? Isn't it just Holy that does extra damage there?
Zardeone, Wammo is definatly the easier profession to play first, not the best to start with.
Imo ranger is the best. It lets you know your still a priority squishy so casters are gonna be screwed even more and you can paly many different styles.
I have no problem bringing an FDS if it might be useful, but the real question is, is it customised? Using a green weapon because you think it looks good (or anything for that matter) then not customising is the nooby thing to do. 20% extra damage is somet you can't turn down.
Da Cebuano
To simply answer your question, its all about Mentality. W/mo and FDS are MAINSTREAM, as we all know that Mainstream = bad and being different =good and rarity = godly. Thus, it doesn't matter if its bad or good, as people are already set on it being bad cause every other guy has one.
Also, w/mos can be good as long as warrior don't forget the fact that they are warriors and not healer monks. I find it incredibly stupid for w/mos to bring mending/healbreeze in pvp, in pve it might be essential in solos but c'mon. A w/mo w/ FDS w/ 20% enchant pommel can use a judges ensight build to ignore other warr's 20% vs physical w/ another 20% armor penetration. In fact, alot of top players go w/ w/mo even though they only use warr skills because you normally wont find w/mos in anywhere but noob arenas, its "different".
Also, w/mos can be good as long as warrior don't forget the fact that they are warriors and not healer monks. I find it incredibly stupid for w/mos to bring mending/healbreeze in pvp, in pve it might be essential in solos but c'mon. A w/mo w/ FDS w/ 20% enchant pommel can use a judges ensight build to ignore other warr's 20% vs physical w/ another 20% armor penetration. In fact, alot of top players go w/ w/mo even though they only use warr skills because you normally wont find w/mos in anywhere but noob arenas, its "different".
Evilsod
W/Mos using healing prayers in PvP? You've gotta be talking about RA/TA in that case.
Out of interest, why the FDS? Judges Insight makes damage into Holy, so surely that would bypass the warriors vs physical anyway?
Unless i intend to use my 2ndary professions its always set to /Mo anyway just for the res. Think i have 5 chars as x/Mo and my W/N (Plague Touch ftw in PvE). Seriously why Mend Ailment yourself when you might aswell just give them blind right back? Makes Thirsty River fun to do after you've just blinded the 4th Avenger.
How often do you find yourself up against another Warrior anyway? Solo trips vs ettins obviously, solo FoW only the snarling. PvP, seriously how often do warriors go after warriors there? I'm not big with PvP but as far as i know its not often.
In reality really you may be doing that little extra to warriors w/ your FDS but your still doing much less to everything else. Hell that FDS could practically halve your damage vs a ranger.
Out of interest, why the FDS? Judges Insight makes damage into Holy, so surely that would bypass the warriors vs physical anyway?
Unless i intend to use my 2ndary professions its always set to /Mo anyway just for the res. Think i have 5 chars as x/Mo and my W/N (Plague Touch ftw in PvE). Seriously why Mend Ailment yourself when you might aswell just give them blind right back? Makes Thirsty River fun to do after you've just blinded the 4th Avenger.
How often do you find yourself up against another Warrior anyway? Solo trips vs ettins obviously, solo FoW only the snarling. PvP, seriously how often do warriors go after warriors there? I'm not big with PvP but as far as i know its not often.
In reality really you may be doing that little extra to warriors w/ your FDS but your still doing much less to everything else. Hell that FDS could practically halve your damage vs a ranger.
Permasiel
Only one reason to be a w/mo in pve : rebirth.
Of course you always end up in groups where people think it's the monk's job to rez.
Of course you always end up in groups where people think it's the monk's job to rez.
The Renegade Healer
Fiery mods may get past physical armor, but are we forgetting about elemental resistance? Sure it'll do extra damage to icy mobs, but it'll do even less damage to fiery mobs. And rangers.