I haven't been around the forums in a very long time and this forum seems to be flooded with people nowadays so I wanted to make a suggestion. I don't know if some form of this has been brought up before but...
I know random arena isn't taken as seriously as the others but how many of are annoyed by the numerous quitters? I feel that quitters should be penalized. I think when they try to enter a new match, their wait timer should be like 1 minute minimum before they can join a new match.
The only problem that of course could not be fixed is a person who wants to quit to begin with probably wouldn't give it their all once it begins.
But I'm sure this could help.
Random Arena Quitters
Twilight Doll
Sofonisba
This suggestion has come around a few times.
I agree, a wait timer would be extremely helpful. Would discourage impulsive leaving, yet not penalize those who got "kicked" by their ISP. Relogging into the game would always take longer than the penalty time.
I agree, a wait timer would be extremely helpful. Would discourage impulsive leaving, yet not penalize those who got "kicked" by their ISP. Relogging into the game would always take longer than the penalty time.
Living Legend
lol what for honestly no one even takes it serious, you no one should be penelized for having the right to leave there match, when you enter the random arena matches you know the possibilities of someone quitting in the match.
Kool Pajamas
Yeah I like this. The other day I had someone leave as soon as we entered. The others after seeing then left which left me to die alone quickly. I then entered the next match and the same guy that left the first one was in my new group and he left AGAIN as soon we entered the arena.
NatalieD
I play a fair amount of RA, and I only rarely see quitters. Either you and I have very different definitions of "numerous", or perhaps you see so many quitters because you're the one provoking them to quit. Try not to use Mending when your teammates are watching you. 
Seriously, though, I don't understand why people consider this such a huge problem.
Seriously, though, I don't understand why people consider this such a huge problem.
AaronSwitchblade
NatalieD, are you a monk? Because if you are, then that's the reason right there.
Winterclaw
For me it's only a problem with me in RA if the match is still winnable or you are going on a streak and someone quits after the new match begins. Still I will think a little less of someone who quits in the middle of a battle.
In HoH, if someone quits when they die in the first battle, it also irks me then too. It takes time to set up a group and modify it. Sometimes the first match or two you meet a team that has an advantage over your type. Sometimes your group needs a little tweaking or practice together.
In HoH, if someone quits when they die in the first battle, it also irks me then too. It takes time to set up a group and modify it. Sometimes the first match or two you meet a team that has an advantage over your type. Sometimes your group needs a little tweaking or practice together.
NatalieD
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NatalieD, are you a monk? Because if you are, then that's the reason right there.
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Ristaron
My situation is the same as that of NatalieD. However, for the longest time I could never get into a group that would succeed in Thunderhead Keep either, so I know what it's like to have your issues with the community/game dismissed so readily by others.
You and many other people have complained about Random Arena quitters, so enough people know it's an issue.
However, I will speak no more here in this thread because there are so many other ones on this topic.
Please, next time, use the search button.
You and many other people have complained about Random Arena quitters, so enough people know it's an issue.
However, I will speak no more here in this thread because there are so many other ones on this topic.
Please, next time, use the search button.
Zui
MM, I say just make it so when someone leaves the other team gets faction for it.
Most RAers just leave to try and grief the other team(too bad it doesn't work when you already have all unlocks :O).
Edit: that needs a clarification... They leave right before they die to grief the other team.
Most RAers just leave to try and grief the other team(too bad it doesn't work when you already have all unlocks :O).
Edit: that needs a clarification... They leave right before they die to grief the other team.
Wretchman Drake
I don't think this would work. Sometimes when others leave on my team or if it's the lava place and we're getting whooped, OR if some dumbass on our team decides to sacrifice himself because he thinks its funny, I leave. It's not worth it to waste my time, or if the battle goes on for over 6 minutes. It's Random Arenas, cmon. Not all groups get quitters. To me, the point of RA is practice and faction. Penalizing quitters is dumb because not all quitters are guilty of leaving just 'cuz...
Kai Nui
Who cares, it's not like it's a common occurance, and if someone leaves, it's just a random person out of like 1 million that you'll be playing with. :/
Wretchman Drake
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Who cares, it's not like it's a common occurance, and if someone leaves, it's just a random person out of like 1 million that you'll be playing with. :/
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mariano
Well, in my view that someone quites in Random Arenas is the typical case of a problem of a random team;(Team Arena, HA and GvG have their own problems.)
Why do some players leave in Random Arenas? I have two probable explanations.
First case two guild mates wish to play together in Random Arenas, so each one quites if the other is not in the team. I may have seen this case one time, because, I was in a team and 1 player did quite, in the next team another player did quite, and in the third team both were there both were of the same guild and they did not quite. But, we got killed again... it seemed to me that they were more interested in playing their own game than playing with all as a team.
Another case, this time I was in a team and a player of the opponents' team did quite, the same player did quite from the following opponents' team, and again the same player did quite from a third opponents' team. I did whisper him what he was playing... and he did not understand at all! So I do not know the reason.
Still, I think that some players may quite when they do not like the random build, may be they want to have a monk in the team, or something like that.
Nevertheless, this is not so often as to annoy me.
In my view, Random Arenas are undervalued, may be even more than Team Arenas, ... I see that in GvG guilds get rank, in HA players earn fame and get rank, but, in TA and RA players get experience only. I have everything unlocked so I do not earn Factions anymore.
Suggestion: offer some relevant reward for playing in RA. Think, if you like to think so
, that I do not need any other reward than the pleasure of playing; (so that this one is a free suggestion ).
And with respect Random Arenas, I see that there is not a forum for RA in GWGuru. Nevertheless, in GW:Factions there are coming some random, and half-random, team battle grounds, with this novelties, I hope that this game style may get a more prominent place.
Why do some players leave in Random Arenas? I have two probable explanations.
First case two guild mates wish to play together in Random Arenas, so each one quites if the other is not in the team. I may have seen this case one time, because, I was in a team and 1 player did quite, in the next team another player did quite, and in the third team both were there both were of the same guild and they did not quite. But, we got killed again... it seemed to me that they were more interested in playing their own game than playing with all as a team.
Another case, this time I was in a team and a player of the opponents' team did quite, the same player did quite from the following opponents' team, and again the same player did quite from a third opponents' team. I did whisper him what he was playing... and he did not understand at all! So I do not know the reason.
Still, I think that some players may quite when they do not like the random build, may be they want to have a monk in the team, or something like that.
Nevertheless, this is not so often as to annoy me.
In my view, Random Arenas are undervalued, may be even more than Team Arenas, ... I see that in GvG guilds get rank, in HA players earn fame and get rank, but, in TA and RA players get experience only. I have everything unlocked so I do not earn Factions anymore.
Suggestion: offer some relevant reward for playing in RA. Think, if you like to think so
, that I do not need any other reward than the pleasure of playing; (so that this one is a free suggestion ).And with respect Random Arenas, I see that there is not a forum for RA in GWGuru. Nevertheless, in GW:Factions there are coming some random, and half-random, team battle grounds, with this novelties, I hope that this game style may get a more prominent place.
corcesca
They should do something about the quitters in PvP. Way too many of them, I had some suggestions but who know how well that'll go.
- Lose/Decrease amout of Faction recieved
- Lose exp
- Lose gold
- Timed ban
- Lose fame
- Lose rank
Eet GnomeSmasher
Some quitters are there to "farm" faction. If they turn up on a team that they don't like they leave. Or at the first sign that the team is losing, they leave. Plenty of people try to justify this but really, you're just screwing your three other teammates. It's griefing in my book, very minor griefing but still griefing.
And for those who say "Who cares?" ...well people who play RA regularly do. So shut the hell up.
And for those who say "Who cares?" ...well people who play RA regularly do. So shut the hell up.
Wretchman Drake
But it's RA. It's random. No matter what penalties there will always be dumbasses that'll ruin it. Who cares is right, first off it's just a game. Don't get uptight about it. If someone leaves, just leave yourself, don't waste time getting pounded on and whining about it. That's what I do and it works fine for me. Just deal with it no matter what they do this will never abolish quitters.
What Anet should be looking at is rebuffing/nerfing builds/spells and improve other aspects of gameplay, not RA foolishness.
What Anet should be looking at is rebuffing/nerfing builds/spells and improve other aspects of gameplay, not RA foolishness.
Eet GnomeSmasher
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Don't get uptight about it.
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If you don't care about RA then why feel the need to come in here to throw your tantrum then? If you don't like the suggestion, then don't post...especially since this suggestion couldnt have possible affected you in any way...unless of course you're one of the quitters mentioned in this thread.
Age
I have suggested this before on other boards if someone leaves quits they get a penalty for say 30min.If they do it agian 1 hour in another game I pay if we disengage we get penalized like this.
Murder In China
What if some of those people who "leave" had suffered from a computer crash or error7? Time ban on them because of their bad luck? That's idiotic since not everyone's computer is top-notched. Also, what if you met a Griefing runner who continues to waste everyone's time because he/she enjoy seeing other suffer; I would be glad to leave at the point since wasting 45+ minutes to just kill the bastard for a measly 20 factions when I could of been in my 5th win in the row.
people, this is Random Arena for Christ's sake. You can see a Warrior/Elementalist try to use Meteor Storm or use Dolyak Signet + Armor of Earth thinking he's Pimp. Tell me you won't leave if that person was on your team.
people, this is Random Arena for Christ's sake. You can see a Warrior/Elementalist try to use Meteor Storm or use Dolyak Signet + Armor of Earth thinking he's Pimp. Tell me you won't leave if that person was on your team.
Eet GnomeSmasher
A time ban is nothing to people who only quit for legitimate reasons. I wouldnt mind having to wait 10 minutes to join another game if I have to quit for some reason or if I got disconnected.
A time ban would certainly discourage frequent quitters because it wouldnt be efficient for them to keep quitting in order to farm fast and easy faction.
If you people really dont care about RA then why would a time ban be so horrible to you? And it seems hyprocritical for people to preach on about how it's random arenas so we should tolerate quitters yet you admit that you leave because you have bad teammates.
When you think "random" one would expect varying skill levels of players NOT a bunch of quitters. You people need better arguments.
EDIT: 10 minutes is just some arbitrary number I threw out here, obviously the number could be tweaked. Even 5 minutes would be a good deterrant to frequent quitters and faction farmers.
A time ban would certainly discourage frequent quitters because it wouldnt be efficient for them to keep quitting in order to farm fast and easy faction.
If you people really dont care about RA then why would a time ban be so horrible to you? And it seems hyprocritical for people to preach on about how it's random arenas so we should tolerate quitters yet you admit that you leave because you have bad teammates.
When you think "random" one would expect varying skill levels of players NOT a bunch of quitters. You people need better arguments.
EDIT: 10 minutes is just some arbitrary number I threw out here, obviously the number could be tweaked. Even 5 minutes would be a good deterrant to frequent quitters and faction farmers.
Empirism
quitters/crashers are not only random arena issues, it happen everywhere like someone prolly mentioned and should not be punished for it. Legendary words "its only a game"
what comes to "random arena", not mock it, its not just "its only a RA", there are bunch of players who love it, really love it...im included are there quiters or not...but hey what is more cool than beat 4 with 3?
what comes to "random arena", not mock it, its not just "its only a RA", there are bunch of players who love it, really love it...im included are there quiters or not...but hey what is more cool than beat 4 with 3?
JR
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Originally Posted by Eet GnomeSmasher
Some quitters are there to "farm" faction. If they turn up on a team that they don't like they leave. Or at the first sign that the team is losing, they leave. Plenty of people try to justify this but really, you're just screwing your three other teammates. It's griefing in my book, very minor griefing but still griefing.
And for those who say "Who cares?" ...well people who play RA regularly do. So shut the hell up. |
I play monk in RA when I am bored or want to test something. Working my ass off trying to keep people up when they can't kill anything due to their retardedly stupid builds is just an annoyance I don't need.
I'm sorry, this is what you might call a competitive attitude; playing to win. I mean, what is the point of wasting the precious minutes of my life it will take for my team to all actually just get it over with and die, when that is the inevtiable result anyway?
Sofonisba
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What if some of those people who "leave" had suffered from a computer crash or error7? Time ban on them because of their bad luck? That's idiotic since not everyone's computer is top-notched. Also, what if you met a Griefing runner who continues to waste everyone's time because he/she enjoy seeing other suffer; I would be glad to leave at the point since wasting 45+ minutes to just kill the bastard for a measly 20 factions when I could of been in my 5th win in the row.
people, this is Random Arena for Christ's sake. You can see a Warrior/Elementalist try to use Meteor Storm or use Dolyak Signet + Armor of Earth thinking he's Pimp. Tell me you won't leave if that person was on your team. |
If you have wasted 45 minutes running after a runner in RA, that's 44 minutes more than you would have to wait if you left earlier and were penalized 1 minute for leaving.
Once again, a one- or two-minute wait will discourage frivolous leaving and yet not really hurt those whose connections are not "top-notched." If your comp is slow and/or kicks you out of GW, it WILL take longer than two minutes to relog.
People who say that others take RA too seriously: You leave matches because YOU take it too seriously.
NatalieD
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Originally Posted by Sofonisba
People who say that others take RA too seriously: You leave matches because YOU take it too seriously.
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Sofonisba
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Originally Posted by NatalieD
That doesn't even make sense. How is "this is going nowhere; bye y'all" taking it more seriously than spending an hour chasing some r/mo around in circles before he finally loses interests and quits?
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What I mean to say, is that some are saying "Why take RA so seriously? It means nothing!" and out of the other side of their mouths they are saying "I had to leave because I wanted back in to get more faction as soon as possible!" Does that make sense?
Kool Pajamas
What if you make the time ban only take affect if the battle has lasted for less than 4 minutes? If someone is griefing then once the 4 minute mark is up then you can leave without penalty.
GranDeWun
Stick the number of times the character has quit RA above their heads. No practical effect, but might be a badge of shame...
Kool Pajamas
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Stick the number of times the character has quit RA above their heads. No practical effect, but might be a badge of shame...
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Skuld
Ugh I don't know about anyone else but I am not waiting for my crappy team to be declared officially beaten. I appreciate that some low-lifes enter a round then quit, but I'd guess most people leave when there is no hope.
Sofonisba
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...I'd guess most people leave when there is no hope.
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Eet GnomeSmasher
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What I mean to say, is that some are saying "Why take RA so seriously? It means nothing!" and out of the other side of their mouths they are saying "I had to leave because I wanted back in to get more faction as soon as possible!" Does that make sense?
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But I do understand that sometimes people just have to leave a match. I really don't mind the occassional quitter, but from my experience I have seen people who are frequent quitters (most of these are faction farmers and some are just jerks) These are the ones ruining RA.
Seriously, a small punishment for quitting will hardly dent people who have to quit occasionally but it will discourage the habitual quitters.
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I'm sorry, this is what you might call a competitive attitude; playing to win. I mean, what is the point of wasting the precious minutes of my life it will take for my team to all actually just get it over with and die, when that is the inevtiable result anyway?
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But you know what? I dont really care if I lose in RA's. It just annoys me if we lose due to some idiot quitting in the beginning/middle of the match.
Wretchman Drake
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Originally Posted by Eet GnomeSmasher
Look at your own post and take your own advice. You're the one getting your panties in a bunch.
If you don't care about RA then why feel the need to come in here to throw your tantrum then? If you don't like the suggestion, then don't post...especially since this suggestion couldnt have possible affected you in any way...unless of course you're one of the quitters mentioned in this thread. |
I dont have a problm with ra quitters ive said this like 4 times in this thread. you must not know how to read threads well.
Eet GnomeSmasher
Thanks for proving my point. You're clearly not angry.
mariano
This is my second answer in this thread after thinking a bit more about Random Arenas quiting I have concluded that a good suggestion may be to disable map travel during battles.
So, that once a player starts a RA's battle, this player is not able to leave the arenas until Victory or Defeat.
Obviously, if a player wants to stop playing she may just log off. But, this is allright. No other "penalty" is needed, just to have to log-off if wishing to leave during a battle.
The same could be suggested for other arenas, HA and GvG.
As time to travel is closed, this meassure would allow some more concentration or seriousness when playing, else, if a player wishes to quite, then the player quites from the game as well.
So, that once a player starts a RA's battle, this player is not able to leave the arenas until Victory or Defeat.
Obviously, if a player wants to stop playing she may just log off. But, this is allright. No other "penalty" is needed, just to have to log-off if wishing to leave during a battle.
The same could be suggested for other arenas, HA and GvG.
As time to travel is closed, this meassure would allow some more concentration or seriousness when playing, else, if a player wishes to quite, then the player quites from the game as well.
Dawns Tide
Suggestion... Coming from World of Warcraft, if someone left the pvp arena, they'd be tagged as a deserter and could not return to the pvp arena for 15 minutes.
Maybe they can implement a similar feature into Guild Wars.
Maybe they can implement a similar feature into Guild Wars.
guppy
I really hope they implement something for this, I am trying to learn pvp in random arena.. it's supposed to be a fun place to try out things and to learn to work together.. which has not been my experience ever since this quitting has increased. Don't take me wrong, i have had teams which win with 3 vs 4.. it's just that it's not that easy to still have 3 players after one quits and rare that it can be done.
The problem with this quitting, is that it's too easy to do it. I mean, it ruins 3 other people's chance to win a match.. and although its a random matchup, its for fun. I think the addition of getting the gladiator title (where it specifically says for random arena), people are quitting more than ever just to get on the "perfect" team.
I mean, don't people find it strange that low level pvp in the game with random matchups is more fun with a lot less quitting?
It doesn't affect any other form of pvp, and it doesn't even hurt casual gamers. It puts a negative effect on people getting the idea that quitting and finding a perfect team is ok (which is a good thing, don't encourage people to quit in this game), and will most probably (in a general way) bring more fun back into random arena.
I hope that this suggestion gets noticed as I found recently that quitting is really increasing and very frustrating.
The problem with this quitting, is that it's too easy to do it. I mean, it ruins 3 other people's chance to win a match.. and although its a random matchup, its for fun. I think the addition of getting the gladiator title (where it specifically says for random arena), people are quitting more than ever just to get on the "perfect" team.
I mean, don't people find it strange that low level pvp in the game with random matchups is more fun with a lot less quitting?
It doesn't affect any other form of pvp, and it doesn't even hurt casual gamers. It puts a negative effect on people getting the idea that quitting and finding a perfect team is ok (which is a good thing, don't encourage people to quit in this game), and will most probably (in a general way) bring more fun back into random arena.
I hope that this suggestion gets noticed as I found recently that quitting is really increasing and very frustrating.
Verlas Ho'Esta
happens in almost every RA match I join. How about a DP? Each act of cowardice (leaving before victory/defeat is declared) imposes a -5% penalty permanently to the offending coward. This cannot be removed by entering a town or logging out. Only by earning experience or using a morale booster/DP remover (IE: Candy Canes).
shardfenix
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lol what for honestly no one even takes it serious, you no one should be penelized for having the right to leave there match, when you enter the random arena matches you know the possibilities of someone quitting in the match.
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Random arena quitting ruins the game for everyone on their team. In a 12v12 it's not that bad, because you still have most of the group. If you lose someone in randoms, you now have 3 people against 4, meaning you will probably lose.
/signed for adding a quitting penalty timer
and if someone unplugs their internet to leave, causing an error 7 message to come up...
/signed for adding a penalty timer for repeated error 7s.
guppy
Actually I don't think ppl disconnecting their internet will be such a big problem.. it's such a hassle anyways to do it, by the time they log back in.. it's almost as if they had a timer penalty anyways. Also, I do know people that get connection troubles, they shouldn't really be penalized for it.