Pre Sear Degen (Charr Hunting)

I know Pre Sear was a long time ago and such but for those who at least want to unlock alot of minor runes, I think this build will help for charr farming.

If you don't know how to charr hunt in pre sear, ask someone in town to get you to the gate for charr hunting and then tell 'em to leave or give 'em a tip, w/e.

Skills:
1.) Life Siphon
2.) Conjure Phantasm
3.) Faintheartedness
4.) Blood Renewal
5.) Imagined Burden
6.) Vampiric Gaze
7.) Backfire
8.) Soul Barbs

Illusion: 4
Blood: 4
Curses: 4

Just start degening. Soul Barbs, then Conjure, Life Siphon, Faintheartedness, and Vampiric Gaze. Maybe Backfire in the mix. Of course before all that cast Blood Renewal because those Charr Hunter/Axeblades will eat you alive. The point is to just kill off something before you die. If you have a monk on your side you should live, though.

I'm not 100% sure... but I believe that you don't have Empathy, Soul Barbs, or Faintheartedness in pre...

Yes you do. Empathy you get right away to defeat the bull as far as I remember. Another person told me he used these skills to do it so I know you can do this build.

No... you get Conjure Phantasm, Illusioned Burden, and Ether Feast to beat the bull... I know those much. Then you get that one that takes off a Mesmer Hex and does damage, and Backfire when you go to Foibles Fair.

Edit:

Mesmer Quest - http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Mesmer_Test (Empathy, Ether Feast)
Althea Quest - http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/A_Mesmer%27s_Burden (Conjure Phantasm, Illusioned Burden)
Foibles Quest - http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Dominat...ic_%28Quest%29 (Shatter Delusions, Backfire)

Necro Quest - http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Necromancer_Test (Deathly Swarm, Vamp Gaze)
Kasha Quest - http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/The_Power_of_Blood (Vamp Touch, Blood Renewal)
Munne Quest - http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/The_Necromancer%27s_Novice (Bone Horror, Life Siphon)
Oberan Quest - http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/The_Accursed_Path (Faintheartedness, Soul Barbs)

Okies... I'm gonna admit I was partially wrong. You can't have Vamp Gaze and Empathy on the same character though, and theres no Parasitic Bond either Other than that, your build works though

TY, I thought Parasitic was in there, whoops. Guess I'll just use Blood Ren. instead.

No probs

Thats actually a pretty good build for pre... I just never really thought about all the Necro/Mesmer skills you get there... but they should work reasonably well. The biggest problem you'll probably run into is the Chaots spamming Shatter on your Blood Renewal.

Wouldn't it be easier just to go as an MM? Build up a few minions on easy targets, rush and beat one of the mobs of 4, rush to the next one, and so on?

I don't know whether it's realistic to kill the big mob, however. More precisely, I don't know what level the MM has to be before it becomes possible.

No it's not. Those charr will destroy your minions and they won't do anything to them. My W/Mo was lvl 13 before he left pre sear and he still had trouble taking on 4 at a time. Degen is nice because it ignored their armor.

This is a great build for farming dyes and minor runes.

why bother farming pre?

Quote: Originally Posted by Wretchman Drake

Don't forget dyes.

Quote: Originally Posted by Murder In China

why stay in pre to charr farm..

for unlocking minor runes.... ettin farm or titan farm...

its fun to be lvl 18 in pre also

Quote: Originally Posted by Lateralus

At level 10 (as a N/R with a lvl 16 pet) it becomes possible to clear the temple but it is stupid hard.

At level 11 it is still hard to clear the temple but I have done it three more times. One more clearing and I will be 12 and I'll let you know.

The tactic I found that works best as a MM at lvl 10 and 11 is to send in the pet and minions and then find some terrain to hide behind (and cast a few spells to hurry the killing along).

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There are only two groups I haven't managed to clear at level 11 and it was because they are so far away from anything you can kill that it's hard to get a minion up and get to them before it's dead.

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As to the main topic of this thread... I may have to try out the degen thing once I get more skill points. I have been pumping everything into Death to keep the minions high so all the blood and curse based degen skills haven't been doing so well.

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The pet leveling "trick" is covered in a few places on here (look in the community works section).

Another thing to make the northlands easier is to take the "across the wall" quest. It has two benifits:

1. It makes some extra grawl spawn near the ranger guy. This helps with having horrors for that group of charr.

2. The ranger guy will follow you all over the map and shoot at any bad guys that come in his range. If he dies, woo hoo another minion. I may try leaving him until the end to see if I can get those last two groups with his assistance.

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Good stuff.

Quote: Originally Posted by nova-exarch

Here's a few clues...

- Players, pets AND MONSTERS gain exp off of things as much as 6 levels lower. You don't usually notice this with monsters as they usually don't get to kill that many players.

- Most monsters will loiter around after they kill you. It really depends on their natural run speed. Striders run fairly fast all the time. Wolves and kitties kind of slowly pace if they're not aggroed.

- You respawn at a res shrine after 10 secs.

- There is no death penalty in pre-searing. You could do the pet trick even with DP but it would be a lot harder to charm the monster after letting it level.

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That should be enough.

Anyway... a high lvl pet will not make you a god or anything. You still have to learn how to keep stuff agroed on the pet and not you.

Quote: Originally Posted by aigleborgne

My old level 18 W/R sliced all non-boss Charrs in 2 hits. Beat that!

In my opinion, you should always get a Pet. On low level, you can't afford to put points in many different types of attributes, and a Pet gives you an incredible advantage without you having to waste any attributes.