It has 4 Nazi symbols in it. Is this tolerated by A.Net? I would like to hear your opinions about this.
*Edit, sorry guys. I mistook it as the Nazi symbol.
Added by Dralspire: ref. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
Is this even allowed/tolerated?
Sagaris
When I was selling some of my stuff this morning I saw a Taiwanese Guild win the HoH. I don't really mind them winning it, but do check the name.
It has 4 Nazi symbols in it. Is this tolerated by A.Net? I would like to hear your opinions about this.
*Edit, sorry guys. I mistook it as the Nazi symbol.
Added by Dralspire: ref. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
It has 4 Nazi symbols in it. Is this tolerated by A.Net? I would like to hear your opinions about this.
*Edit, sorry guys. I mistook it as the Nazi symbol.
Added by Dralspire: ref. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
Dzan
Those arent swasticas. Go buy an education.
Ulivious The Reaper
its not nazi, it's a version of it first use by Bhuddists you can tell because the nazi sign is thepoints going different ways, power (just coonfirmed), i beleive gaile said somthing about it recently
Murder In China
http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/swastica2.gif
THIS is a Swastika. The one your refering to is different. The Nazis took the symbol you're concerned about and flipped it to be their Symbol.
THIS is a Swastika. The one your refering to is different. The Nazis took the symbol you're concerned about and flipped it to be their Symbol.
Sagaris
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Originally Posted by Dzan
Those arent swasticas. Go buy an education.
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And thank you Ulivious, I didn't know this.
Ulivious The Reaper
Anytime sagaris, i had to do a page report for my teacher because i told her that the swastika wasn't originally used by the nazis and it was just a replica, she didn't beleive me but i proved her wrong 
Yanman.be
It's not nazi, it's indeed a Bhuddist symbol.
koneko
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manji
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| Manji is a Buddhist and Hindu symbol, usually representative of admirable qualities such as peace or intelligence or strength, depending on clockwise or counter-clockwise direction of the arms. As a result of World War II and Nazism, this hooked cross (hakenkreuz) is usually perceived as the Nazi "hooked cross" swastika, which is usually differentiated from the Manji by a 45 degree rotation and hooked arms facing clockwise. |
Ulivious The Reaper
that should get it through his head a bit better thanks for the quick reference's koneko
Sagaris
Thanks Koneko! I never knew this! Weeee! That shows I can learn something at 9.30 in the morning!
LordMahal
Even if somebody put a Nazi symbol on there, does it really matter? I mean, if you see it will you turn into a Nazi? Will seeing the symbol blind you, or hurt you in some way? You know its people like this that hide from history, that would rather tuck it away somewhere and pretend it didnt happen. And those same people, tend to repeat history. Besides that symbol was used 60 years ago now, who cares. And of course many of you, Im sure, dont even know or understand the purpose behind the Nazi movement anyway.
@sagaris... I live in germany, they dont teach anything about the Nazi era where Im at. That whole part of history just vanished.
@sagaris... I live in germany, they dont teach anything about the Nazi era where Im at. That whole part of history just vanished.
Ulivious The Reaper
Lord mahal, this is the truth, and lets hope it doesn't come to reckoning in our generation, but anyways, i learned allot at 3 43 am too, like that the taiwanese are actually trying and an actual country to pick lol ( i find it so hilarous)
Gonzo
Trying to sell stuff in all chat! Not tolerated whatsoever!
O wait, it's about the name. Well, that issue has been handeled by above posters.
O wait, it's about the name. Well, that issue has been handeled by above posters.
LordMahal
Lol... thats the first thing I thought of too Gonzo....
koneko
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@sagaris... I live in germany, they dont teach anything about the Nazi era where Im at. That whole part of history just vanished.
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German Tour Guide: You vill find more on Germany's contributions to ze arts in ze pamphlets ve have provided. Brian : Yeah, about your pamphlet... uh, I'm not seeing anything about German history between 1939 and 1945. There's just a big gap. Tour guide: Everyone vas on vacation. On your left is Munich's first city hall, erected in 15... Brian : Wait, what are you talking about? Germany invaded Poland in 1939 and... Tour Guide: We were invited. Punch vas served. Check vit Poland. Brian : You can't just ignore those years. Thomas Mann fled to America because of Nazism's stranglehold on Germany. Tour guide: Nope, nope. He left to manage a Dairy Queen. Brian : A Dairy Queen? That's preposterous. Tour guide: I vill hear no more insinuations about the German people. Nothing bad happened. Sie werden sich hinsetzen. Sie werden ruhig sein. Sie werden nicht beleidigen Deutschland. You will sit down. You will shut up. You will not insult Germany. (Throws his hand up in a Hitler salute.) Brian : Uh, is that a beer hall? Tour guide: (Snapping out of it) Oh yes, Munich is renowned for its historic beer halls. |
lyra_song
Back when GW allowed foreign characters in local chat, i had a coversation discussing this symbol.
I got a 24 hour ban for that (at least thats the only thing i think that i ever did that would remotely cause a banning...)
Whats also kind of interesting is even though the manji is allowed, the reverse was NOT allowed in game, even those the manji can be written both ways.
some extensive stuff:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
I got a 24 hour ban for that (at least thats the only thing i think that i ever did that would remotely cause a banning...)
Whats also kind of interesting is even though the manji is allowed, the reverse was NOT allowed in game, even those the manji can be written both ways.
some extensive stuff:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
LordMahal
You are simply killing me Koneko... funny stuff. Its too bad thats pretty much how it is... without the punch of course. Odd thing is, you can still visit camps and the "showers" that were used during the time. I mean, dont people wonder what the hell these places were for?
Murder In China
Unless they destroyed them.
Ulivious The Reaper
Destroying, thats so finalizing sounding, i like "whipe clean" better
leprekan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
(from above website)
The swastika (from Sanskrit स्वस्तिक svastika) is an equilateral cross with its arms bent at right angles in either left-facing (卍) or right-facing (卐) direction. The swastika is a holy symbol in Hinduism, Jainism and Buddhism. In the West, it is most widely known and used as a symbol of Nazism. It is traditionally oriented so that a main line is horizontal, though it is occasionally rotated at forty-five degrees. The Hindu version is often decorated with a dot in each quadrant.
They really are begging for trouble (it clearly states it doesnt matter which way it points). With more than 1 million players their legal department should consider the fact that to half their player base that symbol stands for something best left in the past.
(from above website)
The swastika (from Sanskrit स्वस्तिक svastika) is an equilateral cross with its arms bent at right angles in either left-facing (卍) or right-facing (卐) direction. The swastika is a holy symbol in Hinduism, Jainism and Buddhism. In the West, it is most widely known and used as a symbol of Nazism. It is traditionally oriented so that a main line is horizontal, though it is occasionally rotated at forty-five degrees. The Hindu version is often decorated with a dot in each quadrant.
They really are begging for trouble (it clearly states it doesnt matter which way it points). With more than 1 million players their legal department should consider the fact that to half their player base that symbol stands for something best left in the past.
LordMahal
Ummm....if this wasnt in a game Id have to say... bill of rights. But again, who the hell cares? Its a symbol for gods sake. It wont hurt you, it wont cause your PC to meltdown, and if its part of a certain nations language/heritage, there is nothing you can do about it. If it were to be used improperly, how that could be is beyond me, then reporting is the right step. I mean, doesnt Castle Wolfenstein have soldiers with the "bad" symbol on them?
myword
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They really are begging for trouble (it clearly states it doesnt matter which way it points). With more than 1 million players their legal department should consider the fact that to half their player base that symbol stands for something best left in the past.
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leprekan
Personally I don't pay attention to half the morons in guild wars so it won't be an issue for me. If you think out of 1 million players that a "sensitive" parent is not going to come across it and have a melt down. Then you really are out of touch with the volume of lawsuits brought daily over rather dumb things.
LordMahal
No doubt people get mad about small things, and go to court. But you cant stop a nation of people or a group of a certain religeon, whatever from using a symbol that they use in everyday life. Anet isnt going to tell americans to stop typing OK, just because in another language maybe that means I just slept with your mom or something.
Lady Lozza
With all due respect Leprekan, did you read any of the above posts, or look at the section on wiki of Nazi Germany? The "swastika" which we've all come to associate with the Nazis has the base of: x and the tails pointed in a clockwise direction. Manji, however has the base of + and the tails can be pointed in EITHER direction but they only ALLOW the version that points counter-clockwise.
Personally when people started talked about this I had no idea what they were going on about. IMHO the manji looks nothing like the Nazi flag, so I didn't even pick up on the vague similarity.
If you want to ban the manji why don't we ban the letter "x" while we're at it, after all it too is very similar to the swastika.
Personally when people started talked about this I had no idea what they were going on about. IMHO the manji looks nothing like the Nazi flag, so I didn't even pick up on the vague similarity.
If you want to ban the manji why don't we ban the letter "x" while we're at it, after all it too is very similar to the swastika.
mega_jamie
Its also used in paganism as a symbol of protection, it can be confusing to some people, and id guess that becuase of that you may find it offensive, but id be more offended if they removed the use of that image
leprekan
With all due respect Lozza ... did YOU happen to read the definition? If Wiki fails you Google is a great alternative. I will cut and paste for you again
The swastika (from Sanskrit स्वस्तिक svastika) is an equilateral cross with its arms bent at right angles in either left-facing (卍) or right-facing (卐) direction. The swastika is a holy symbol in Hinduism, Jainism and Buddhism. In the West, it is most widely known and used as a symbol of Nazism. It is traditionally oriented so that a main line is horizontal, though it is occasionally rotated at forty-five degrees. The Hindu version is often decorated with a dot in each quadrant.
Your + x argument just went out the window.
The swastika (from Sanskrit स्वस्तिक svastika) is an equilateral cross with its arms bent at right angles in either left-facing (卍) or right-facing (卐) direction. The swastika is a holy symbol in Hinduism, Jainism and Buddhism. In the West, it is most widely known and used as a symbol of Nazism. It is traditionally oriented so that a main line is horizontal, though it is occasionally rotated at forty-five degrees. The Hindu version is often decorated with a dot in each quadrant.
Your + x argument just went out the window.
LordMahal
Was thinking about the parental issue. I wouldnt have a meltdown if my kid said, hey dad, whats that symbol? Id explain it the best way I could, using sources of unbias information. I mean there are much harder things to talk to kids about than a symbol.
leprekan
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Was thinking about the parental issue. I wouldnt have a meltdown if my kid said, hey dad, whats that symbol? Id explain it the best way I could, using sources of unbias information. I mean there are much harder things to talk to kids about than a symbol.
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Lady Lozza
Firstly Leprekan, wiki is not necessarily correct. Assuming, however, that it is, I would very much like to see a version of the Nazi flag where the swastika was written on the base of a "+".
It may very well be that sometimes the Asians use it as a "x" however I imagine that since WWII that has been resticted BECAUSE of the association with the Nazis.
Google works just fine btw, and about.com is also a useful source for information.
http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/34/3413.html
NOTE: the "this form of the swastika" part.
It may very well be that sometimes the Asians use it as a "x" however I imagine that since WWII that has been resticted BECAUSE of the association with the Nazis.
Google works just fine btw, and about.com is also a useful source for information.
http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/34/3413.html
NOTE: the "this form of the swastika" part.
Numa Pompilius
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Originally Posted by Dzan
Those arent swasticas. Go buy an education.
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But the origin doesn't really matter. What does matter is that that will be seen as a nazi symbol by pretty much every westerner who sees it, will be USED as a nazi symbol in the game by asshats who think nazism is "cool and evol". You don't think these guys are using it in their names/guild tags as a symbol of their Hindu faith, do you?
It should not be a legal character of the game.
leprekan
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Originally Posted by Lady Lozza
Firstly Leprekan, wiki is not necessarily correct. Assuming, however, that it is, I would very much like to see a version of the Nazi flag where the swastika was written on the base of a "+".
It may very well be that sometimes the Asians use it as a "x" however I imagine that since WWII that has been resticted BECAUSE of the association with the Nazis. Google works just fine btw, and about.com is also a useful source for information. http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/34/3413.html NOTE: the "this form of the swastika" part. |
Scroll down to dear Adolf's symbol of choice. You are missing the point on purpose it seems.
Yichi
Personally i know the guild in question, yes i was even in that guild grp that held halls during the picture, and no they arent doing it to be offensive, they did it basically just because they could. everyone that has ever run across that guild either laffs at the name, says like wow u guys are cool, or ignores it and continues play.
They arent out to offend anyone with it, just out to have fun playing the game. gl to them
They arent out to offend anyone with it, just out to have fun playing the game. gl to them
Numa Pompilius
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LOL, I just noticed your location. Is that correct? I have a friend from Germany that goes nuts if someone brings up nazis "it is poor taste" is his reason.
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In europe nazis aren't movie villains in cool uniforms, but the deluded bastards who murdered my parents, or my grandparents.
True, even in europe the stigma of the nazis is fading, and young people today are probably little more offended than young americans or asians, but in parts of europe, e.g. Germany and Sweden, it is still illegal to merely display a swastika.
myword
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BS. They are both swastikas, they even mean the same thing originally (sun symbol), it's just not identical in looks to the one adopted by the nazis. Both types go waaaaay back, to pre-buddhist pre-christian probably even pre-hindu roots. That's why the nazis used it, it was seen as a symbol of the original "aryan" people they believed they were the pure descendants of.
But the origin doesn't really matter. What does matter is that that will be seen as a nazi symbol by pretty much every westerner who sees it, will be USED as a nazi symbol in the game by asshats who think nazism is "cool and evol". You don't think these guys are using it in their names/guild tags as a symbol of their Hindu faith, do you? It should not be a legal character of the game. |
no, i don't think they use it as a symbol of their Hindu faith, their Buddhist one maybe.
but what's obvious is, you don't read Mandarin, do you?
Numa Pompilius
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so because of a demented man who perverted the meaning of a holy symbol, we should shun another's religous symbol?
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It doesn't matter, does it.
LordMahal
Oh yeah its illegal, but many things are illegal in germany. And yes... I do actually live here. Maybe in poland would going around dressed up like a SS trooper be bad, but not in germany. Granted you would go to jail, but here the concept the Nazi's were trying to establish, is still very much part of life here. AND NO it was not trying to kill millions for no reason, there was more to it than that. Todays Nazi organizations seek something along the same lines, just without the killing. There was even a government group who tried to get a member elected to presidency, just a couple years back. The idea of what the Nazis wanted is still very much alive, its the methods that have changed... thank god.
Numa Pompilius
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Maybe in poland would going around dressed up like a SS trooper be bad, but not in germany.
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UndeadRoadkill
They're Taiwanese, I really wouldn't be surprised if they were Buddhists. Did you look at the picture? It's not exactly a guild called *swastika*siegheil14/88*swasitka* or anything.
Wouldn't banning it be like banning use of the cross, just because the Ku Klux Klan liked them?
Wouldn't banning it be like banning use of the cross, just because the Ku Klux Klan liked them?
UndeadRoadkill
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They just don't understand what that actually means, they just think they're cool and evil.
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