To run people from place to place cheaper than the usual price?
Because the other day I went to Amnoon Oasis, and I haven't ran the entire desert too often. Usually only for Guild Members I would run it.
I remembered how much I would have to pay just for 7 towns, which was 3500g for all them together.
I didn't want people to be paying that much, and since I didn't run it to often I brought the price down to 200g for a town. 1400g for all of it.
The next thing I know I'm about to leave with the group that I just formed, and someone PMs me...(I want to give away his name just in case people want to complain at him, but I may get in trouble)
and he is complaining at me about how cheap I am running the entire desert. Saying I shouldn't go any cheaper than 250 - 300 per town that I would kill the running community.
I was responded saying something like Dude...leave me alone...I don't want to fight with you, because how cheap I made it.
and he kept going on untill he called me a idiot and blocked me.
Then just an hour ago, I just came into Amnoon and to piss him off I saw him and he was running the desert for 400g a town, and I yelled out Running Entire Desert FREE! Invite Self Now! I don't know if people left his group...but I hope they did....
but really...is it really that bad of a thing if I just brought down the price that much!?
PS: I'm sorry if this is in the wrong fourm, but I thought this was kind of a general topic in a way since it doesn't really consider builds and stuff.
Is it really a bad thing?
Edgecrusher
LordMahal
Boss, you charge what you want, when you want... I run too, and tend not to advertise when I see other runners. I let them do their thing, then I do mine. But thats me. Dont take crap off somebody just cause you charge less. Do it your way.
Raif Bahlaan
It's up to you what you charge, but market dynamics still work. If you undercut the competitors by too much, it probably isn't worthwhile doing. You're just missing out on profit for yourself. But if that's not an issue, and you just run for fun, then charge whatever you want.
Edgecrusher
Well, I wont advertise when I see other runners, unless like the guy I saw who was annoying me.
Even when I yell out i'm running cause I just warped in, and I notice that someone else was there before me, i'll apologize to the person and say that I'm not running till they leave and wont accept invites till they do leave.
and yeah...i'm just running for fun just trying to get a small profit out of it...i'm not trying to make a killing...^_^
Even when I yell out i'm running cause I just warped in, and I notice that someone else was there before me, i'll apologize to the person and say that I'm not running till they leave and wont accept invites till they do leave.
and yeah...i'm just running for fun just trying to get a small profit out of it...i'm not trying to make a killing...^_^
Silent Kitty
I don't care what runners think. I bring every 18+ character through the Sanctum Cay mission for free. Mind you, I just heal. They have to do the fighting.
Runners charge up to 1.5K for that. When they join me, every party member, who bothers to pick up stuff, gains exp and an aditional 500G. They have to be lvl 18 and up, because that mission requires heavy fighting at the end.
If I was able to run, I would do it for free. All runner are free to hate me. I am not really a runner. Joining me requires them to be good fighters, or at least hold their own.
If a player already did the whole game, and can't be bothered to do it again, they should move on. They don't belong in this game, unless they are here just to laugh at newbies.
I have been ran to Droks myself, but I still play the game. I am not so good in playing this game, so I thought Droks armour would help. Boy, was I wrong
Runners charge up to 1.5K for that. When they join me, every party member, who bothers to pick up stuff, gains exp and an aditional 500G. They have to be lvl 18 and up, because that mission requires heavy fighting at the end.
If I was able to run, I would do it for free. All runner are free to hate me. I am not really a runner. Joining me requires them to be good fighters, or at least hold their own.
If a player already did the whole game, and can't be bothered to do it again, they should move on. They don't belong in this game, unless they are here just to laugh at newbies.
I have been ran to Droks myself, but I still play the game. I am not so good in playing this game, so I thought Droks armour would help. Boy, was I wrong
LordMahal
I do free runs, my first and last run of each day. I tend not to charge the oddball lvl 20 who needs its... quite frankly, a 20 could fight through some places I run. But I know the feeling... its your 50000th time through the game, and want to get some things done fast.
mega_jamie
Ive seen people in Ascalon charging XXX for a Yaks run, and one day I decided to see how hard it was, and did it with my lvl 12 Warrior/Ranger, so went to Ascalon myself to offer Free runs just so people could see how easy it was.
If i was ever able to run Drok's id charge, but smaller runs like that shudnt be charged imo since at a pinch you could rush the first few missions and get to Yaks yourself.
me and these guys in pre- the other day had a bidding war with Spider Legs
"wts Spider legs 10 gld each"
"wts spider legs 9 gold each"
etc etc
no buyers around, really late at night, so we ended up giving them all away for free.
Also I was exp hunting and found myself with bear pelts, didnt see the point in charging so i just handed them out, a couple of people were charging and wernt happy, but who cares, somebody got a good service for better value, economics man
If i was ever able to run Drok's id charge, but smaller runs like that shudnt be charged imo since at a pinch you could rush the first few missions and get to Yaks yourself.
me and these guys in pre- the other day had a bidding war with Spider Legs
"wts Spider legs 10 gld each"
"wts spider legs 9 gold each"
etc etc
no buyers around, really late at night, so we ended up giving them all away for free.
Also I was exp hunting and found myself with bear pelts, didnt see the point in charging so i just handed them out, a couple of people were charging and wernt happy, but who cares, somebody got a good service for better value, economics man
Big_Iron
It's a free market and competition is good for the economy. Charge whatever you want.
Gonzo
Silent Kitty: Level doesnt really say anything, I would have an experienced lvl 15 over a unexerienced lvl 20 any time. (With experienced I mean people who know what they're doing, not people who've played for X hours 
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If I run, I give free runs (and I don't do mission runs, missions are there to be played imo). Running is a way to kill time for me so I see no harm done in cheaper runs.
)If I run, I give free runs (and I don't do mission runs, missions are there to be played imo). Running is a way to kill time for me
so I see no harm done in cheaper runs.
fenix
You have the right to charge anywhere between 1g per person, up to 1 million per person. You may not get customers at the second rate, but it's still your right. There is no body looking over running, deciding how much they are worth. You should charge in proportion to the quality/speed of your run, and how much you value your time.
Edit: Level is regardless, I ran a group from Beacon's to Dreadnaughts Drift at level 10. I wasn't the runner, so I left (didn't want a crap runner to charge me), but I still did it.
Edit: Level is regardless, I ran a group from Beacon's to Dreadnaughts Drift at level 10. I wasn't the runner, so I left (didn't want a crap runner to charge me), but I still did it.
Vusak
im more a runnee, its very time efficient to spend maybe 20k to get a character from ascalon to emberlight (via the desert).
i dont mind paying that price, but at the same time i tend to favor those who take tips, my main reasons are:
-seem less gold aggressive - lot less chance of scamming
-theyre either very rich from running - in which case im happy to tip a veteran runner
-or theyre just starting out - and im happy to support the new guys
-theyre offering a chance to the peeps with less money
infact with factions coming up, its useful to know ill be able to get my skill pts spent and new pve characters to replace them uber fast. its like buying skills with gold almost.
in reference to the cost shakeup, i think its nice for a poor player to be able to get a run now and then, and indeed the freeruns help dissuade scammers from bothering.
i think if someone wants to hassle you for offering free runs, they are lacking patience, all it takes is a few mins for you to fill up and be on your way, meanwhile they can go grab a snack or whatever and be back when youre gone to resume advertising.
on the other hand, if youre worried about pissing people off or whatever, just offer to run for tips, that way those peeps whom need a run and have little money pay little, and the guys with uber money pay standard. meanwhile the other runner gets customers by virtue of their perception of what a tip is.
i dont mind paying that price, but at the same time i tend to favor those who take tips, my main reasons are:
-seem less gold aggressive - lot less chance of scamming
-theyre either very rich from running - in which case im happy to tip a veteran runner
-or theyre just starting out - and im happy to support the new guys
-theyre offering a chance to the peeps with less money
infact with factions coming up, its useful to know ill be able to get my skill pts spent and new pve characters to replace them uber fast. its like buying skills with gold almost.
in reference to the cost shakeup, i think its nice for a poor player to be able to get a run now and then, and indeed the freeruns help dissuade scammers from bothering.
i think if someone wants to hassle you for offering free runs, they are lacking patience, all it takes is a few mins for you to fill up and be on your way, meanwhile they can go grab a snack or whatever and be back when youre gone to resume advertising.
on the other hand, if youre worried about pissing people off or whatever, just offer to run for tips, that way those peeps whom need a run and have little money pay little, and the guys with uber money pay standard. meanwhile the other runner gets customers by virtue of their perception of what a tip is.
Snowman
I dont personally see any problem with runners, as for the price.. well charge what you like.
I just think its sad that people rush through the game so quick, what possible advantage could there be?
I just think its sad that people rush through the game so quick, what possible advantage could there be?
Vusak
well in my case, im more a pvp player, however ive gone through the game with a ranger, monk, warrior. im currently putting my second ranger through and a necro, and once ive expended skill pts from that necro, ill remake him. and the monk ive put through will be replaced with a mesmer i suppose.
my goal and fun in this game comes from pvp, so i want to have a character for each of the main roles i like to play, thereby freeing up time from constantly remaking characters for pvp, and providing some pve storyline playtime too. plus access to farming runs, unique pve items, more areas etc.
so because of this, im kinda sick of doing the missions over and over again, id much rather skip to the skill collecting and item buying to kit out my characters. i feel i gain nothing more from repeating the storylines, despite the play differences for each character type - i get that play difference from pvp anyhow. and ultimately, being run is sooooo much faster, which means less time planning/waiting/working and more time playing.
my goal and fun in this game comes from pvp, so i want to have a character for each of the main roles i like to play, thereby freeing up time from constantly remaking characters for pvp, and providing some pve storyline playtime too. plus access to farming runs, unique pve items, more areas etc.
so because of this, im kinda sick of doing the missions over and over again, id much rather skip to the skill collecting and item buying to kit out my characters. i feel i gain nothing more from repeating the storylines, despite the play differences for each character type - i get that play difference from pvp anyhow. and ultimately, being run is sooooo much faster, which means less time planning/waiting/working and more time playing.
Megla Zero
I charge 2k total for it... I have no clue what the entire cost per town is, but I trust the people I run (and surprisingly, never been scammed ^^) and just get half at Thirsty and the other half at Seeker's. TBH, if I saw you at 1.4k I'd think you were insane for going 600k under what I charge... since I'm usually one of the cheapest runners in the desert (which surprises me... other than the first portal none of the desert is really that hard) but as others have said its your own perogative with what you wanna do. I probably would have whispered you and told you that you were seriously undercharging what you could get, but I wouldn't have hassled you like that. I hate idiots who seem to know 100% what you should be doing. I'd rather just give you a helpful hint and let you do whatever you want
LordMahal
If I see a runner charging more than me... I whisper and ask if he/she actually gets that. If they say yes, fine, I might jack my price up. Or like Megla said, if somebody is running for less, I might suggest raising it so they can make money but I dont hassle. Just yesterday I saw a guy running Ascalon to Yaks, 3k... 3k!!! But he had customers, so more power to him.
Wheeler
I would rather run at a lower price and do an extra run to make the same amount of money as the higher priced runners.. I'm like Wal-Mart. I'd rather sell more at a lower price.
ExDeity
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Originally Posted by Edgecrusher
To run people from place to place cheaper than the usual price?
Because the other day I went to Amnoon Oasis, and I haven't ran the entire desert too often. Usually only for Guild Members I would run it. I remembered how much I would have to pay just for 7 towns, which was 3500g for all them together. I didn't want people to be paying that much, and since I didn't run it to often I brought the price down to 200g for a town. 1400g for all of it. The next thing I know I'm about to leave with the group that I just formed, and someone PMs me...(I want to give away his name just in case people want to complain at him, but I may get in trouble) and he is complaining at me about how cheap I am running the entire desert. Saying I shouldn't go any cheaper than 250 - 300 per town that I would kill the running community. I was responded saying something like Dude...leave me alone...I don't want to fight with you, because how cheap I made it. and he kept going on untill he called me a idiot and blocked me. Then just an hour ago, I just came into Amnoon and to piss him off I saw him and he was running the desert for 400g a town, and I yelled out Running Entire Desert FREE! Invite Self Now! I don't know if people left his group...but I hope they did.... but really...is it really that bad of a thing if I just brought down the price that much!? PS: I'm sorry if this is in the wrong fourm, but I thought this was kind of a general topic in a way since it doesn't really consider builds and stuff. |
If you expect me to sympathize with you, or CONGRATULATE you, for stiffing some other runners just to justify your personal vendetta against that guy, I won't.
KvanCetre
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So, in spite, you decided to offer a free run, basically ruining it for any runners, whether they were that one person who you didn't get along with, or not.
If you expect me to sympathize with you, or CONGRATULATE you, for stiffing some other runners just to justify your personal vendetta against that guy, I won't. |
Way to miss the entire point of the post.
Lint
The drok run was once 7k, some one avertised 6.5k, he wanted to beat him so he said 6k.... get my point?
XvArchonvX
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Boo-Hoo, he did something nice.
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Anyways, charge what you want. As for other runners, if you can't make a good profit off a run, then do something else. There are unlimited ways to make money in GW, if something isn't profitable, move on.
ghostlyranger
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Originally Posted by Edgecrusher
To run people from place to place cheaper than the usual price?
Because the other day I went to Amnoon Oasis, and I haven't ran the entire desert too often. Usually only for Guild Members I would run it. I remembered how much I would have to pay just for 7 towns, which was 3500g for all them together. I didn't want people to be paying that much, and since I didn't run it to often I brought the price down to 200g for a town. 1400g for all of it. The next thing I know I'm about to leave with the group that I just formed, and someone PMs me...(I want to give away his name just in case people want to complain at him, but I may get in trouble) and he is complaining at me about how cheap I am running the entire desert. Saying I shouldn't go any cheaper than 250 - 300 per town that I would kill the running community. I was responded saying something like Dude...leave me alone...I don't want to fight with you, because how cheap I made it. and he kept going on untill he called me a idiot and blocked me. Then just an hour ago, I just came into Amnoon and to piss him off I saw him and he was running the desert for 400g a town, and I yelled out Running Entire Desert FREE! Invite Self Now! I don't know if people left his group...but I hope they did.... but really...is it really that bad of a thing if I just brought down the price that much!? PS: I'm sorry if this is in the wrong fourm, but I thought this was kind of a general topic in a way since it doesn't really consider builds and stuff. |
Arkantos
Some runners get mad that some people run places cheaper then normal, because then they wont get as much money as usual.
SilentAssassin
offcourse its not wrong
when I am in desert I see lots of ppl running for free or for a so called "fee", I don't think this guy will have lots of customers.
when I am in desert I see lots of ppl running for free or for a so called "fee", I don't think this guy will have lots of customers.
Fantus
It's a free world (well, at least the part we're living in, is). So it's totally up to you whether and how much you charge for your services. Sometimes you see posts here telling people how much to charge for Ecto or running or whatever but they don't seem to have gotten the concept of a free market.
Tufty
I aplaud all the geniuine runners of this game and think they offer a valuable service to players bringing up there 2nd+ chars. Problem is people pay for runs and dont learn the game which leads to some awfull players. However I love runners and do a little myself (although free as I cant guarantee anything). I recently saw two great runs and learnt alot! Did you know you can solo the sanctum cay mission? I do now. More amazingly if a little expensive I payed 5k to have one of the desert missions solo'd! (the one with all the rez shrines) I was convinced this couldnt be done easily at all. But low and behold thid guy did it! A fantastic display by runners/solo's which everyone should see
eudas
Most runs are easy enough that, after I've played my Wa/Mo and run myself to and fro all over the place I have to wonder why anybody pays for runs anywhere except maybe Drok's.
The ease of most runs, combined with the continual undercutting of run price by competition due to an influx of runners lately, has resulted in most runs being worth almost nothing anyway.
Even Drok's is devalued down to 2-3k.
The problem with running is similar to the problem in Diablo2 with Rushing. You get old players who do it all the time because they've been through the game 3,582 times, and they help out new players who haven't. Then the new players think that that is the only way to play, so when someone comes in and actually tries to, oh, i dunno, play through the game, they get called a n00b because they're not running to droks, purchasing the few skills for their cookie cutter build, and then powerleveling in max armor off trolls.
eudas
p.s. edgecrusher: are you the same edgecrusher from the d&d story hour boards?
eudas
The ease of most runs, combined with the continual undercutting of run price by competition due to an influx of runners lately, has resulted in most runs being worth almost nothing anyway.
Even Drok's is devalued down to 2-3k.
The problem with running is similar to the problem in Diablo2 with Rushing. You get old players who do it all the time because they've been through the game 3,582 times, and they help out new players who haven't. Then the new players think that that is the only way to play, so when someone comes in and actually tries to, oh, i dunno, play through the game, they get called a n00b because they're not running to droks, purchasing the few skills for their cookie cutter build, and then powerleveling in max armor off trolls.
eudas
p.s. edgecrusher: are you the same edgecrusher from the d&d story hour boards?
eudas
Count to Potato
It depends on which side your going at
Tufty
My point indeed! I dont think its a bad thing if its your second character maybe but not your first! People never learn how to obtain small aggro groups rather than the whole map. They dont learn anything about the skills they have. But mainly they dont learn how to operate as a team. Recently Ive been out with a few rangers who havent played the game properly and they are some kinda liability. Although I dont use a ranger I think they have the flexibility to be one of the most usefull chars to play. Id just like to see some more educated players online (pipe dream)
axe
You wont hurt the running market at all, its all supply and demand anyways. I offer free runs to Droks from Beacons all the time and everytime I visit Beacons I still see 2-3K prices so there really is no harm done. And I dont waste any of the pro runners time either because the people that sign up for the free runs cant afford the 2-3k price so Im not even digging into their customers. I usually only get offered a tip from 1 of the 5 ppl I run and its usually 500 gold LOL I tell them to save it for their armor.
The dude that said you were hurting the running community is just wrong. There are far more ppl needing runs than runners. And anyone who thinks that their market is being dwindled needs to learn more runs so that they will always be needed somewhere.
Anytime I get harassed by a pro-runner I tell them Im doing it free so I dont get scammed. That usually shuts them up imediately.
The dude that said you were hurting the running community is just wrong. There are far more ppl needing runs than runners. And anyone who thinks that their market is being dwindled needs to learn more runs so that they will always be needed somewhere.
Anytime I get harassed by a pro-runner I tell them Im doing it free so I dont get scammed. That usually shuts them up imediately.
Magnus_1
If we were to compare this to an economy, we could call runners "firms" and consider each runner an individual business. For the sake of argument, lets assume that the market for runners is a perfectly competitve market. This means, among other things, that what one "firm" does has virtually no impact on the market as a whole. The number of "firms" is so large that the actions of one "firm" will not affect the market.
Basically, the argument that running for less than a certain amount will somehow ruin the game's economy is a weak one. The actions of a small percantage of runners will have no impact on the economy. Now, it is true that when large numbers of people begin lowering prices the market can change, i.e. Droks runs for 2k instead of 3k. But I don't think this could really be considered a bad thing. And there are still plenty of people paying 3k for runs to Droks.
It's interesting to see how the economics of Guild Wars follow the economic laws of the real world.
Basically, the argument that running for less than a certain amount will somehow ruin the game's economy is a weak one. The actions of a small percantage of runners will have no impact on the economy. Now, it is true that when large numbers of people begin lowering prices the market can change, i.e. Droks runs for 2k instead of 3k. But I don't think this could really be considered a bad thing. And there are still plenty of people paying 3k for runs to Droks.
It's interesting to see how the economics of Guild Wars follow the economic laws of the real world.
Tufty
Personally If I get a good run and the runner is friendly and proffesional I tip 1000g anyway. Its fictional money I dont reall own so I might as well give the stuff away
eudas
99% of info is found on guildwiki; that leaves only 1% of info to be gleaned through forums. not a lot to work with here...
frankly, it is statistically likely that everything that needs to be discussed probably already has been discussed, so that leaves rehashing old shit and socializing as the order of the day...
eudas
frankly, it is statistically likely that everything that needs to be discussed probably already has been discussed, so that leaves rehashing old shit and socializing as the order of the day...
eudas
Diablo???
to OP: Welcome to Capitalism, USA.
Edgecrusher
Okay...now I don't feel so alone on this topic... and I know what to say if I run into something like this again...
But was it really necessary for him to call me an idiot?
I mean I wasn't thinking it was a bad thing untill he said something...and once he did I was going to quit running altogether and change my running armor to either to another type of fighting armor, or salvaging it for the runes. Now I know differently...
Now, if I could just figure out the build for Citadel to Grotto run with my 55...
and I know what to say if I run into something like this again...But was it really necessary for him to call me an idiot?
I mean I wasn't thinking it was a bad thing untill he said something...and once he did I was going to quit running altogether and change my running armor to either to another type of fighting armor, or salvaging it for the runes. Now I know differently...
Now, if I could just figure out the build for Citadel to Grotto run with my 55...
Diablo???
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But was it really necessary for him to call me an idiot?
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Hadoken13
n00bs as we call then dominate all online forums/games/web sites because they feel safe. there is nothing you can do to stop them so why would they be kind? it is unavoidable and wherever you go they will follow.
but you aren't doing anything wrong. a competitive market is just that, competitive. if you get enough people for a discounted price then you will eventually make more then him anyway. just because he doesn't care about all us poor people (i have maybe 10k at the most) it doesn't mean you can't.
but you aren't doing anything wrong. a competitive market is just that, competitive. if you get enough people for a discounted price then you will eventually make more then him anyway. just because he doesn't care about all us poor people (i have maybe 10k at the most) it doesn't mean you can't.
Ninetail Trickster
People like that make me want to develop a monk running build.
And give half-price/tips/free runs.
And give half-price/tips/free runs.
Trin Storm
Good for you. There is no right to make profit off running. Charge what you want. Its game - you're supposed to have fun - if thats what you find fun - more power to you.
Snowman
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Some runners get mad that some people run places cheaper then normal, because then they wont get as much money as usual.
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My competitors get mad at me all the time, but my customers love me
now.. who do I care about the most ?
