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Old Fart Gamer

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2006

CA

W/Mo

10 Apr 2006 at 23:33 - 1

I have been having a hard time finding a group that will take a tank (W/R) into the Hall of Heroes. It's all about B/P this and Orders that

. All I want to do is find Victo's Battle axe (and no, I don't want to just buy it off someone). No one seems to want to take a tank into the HofH...why? I thought tanks were an essential part of any balanced grp. And is there any way that I can coerce people into taking me into their grp?

thanx,
OFG

Ka El Windstorm

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

R/

10 Apr 2006 at 23:36 - 2

I can give you mine, if you want it. And yes i said give.

Maria The Princess

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Aequitas Deis

10 Apr 2006 at 23:38 - 3

hey! let rangers enjoy the only High end farming place where they are welcome in a team!

why nobody takes you? cuz tanks are useless in a BP group and are the first to accumulate 60 dp
we have 5 pets and bone horrors to tank, no place for a Warior, cuz we kik ass so much better then a balanced group.

or join a BALANCED group, which includes Tank, Eles, SS, Monks and somethin else (i never go in balanced groups so im not sure of the exact build), or you can join as a healer into a BP group. use SEARCH to find THE build for Tombs tank

oh yeah....you have 4 character slots for a good reason.

ApOcAlYpSe

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2005

10 Apr 2006 at 23:38 - 4

In this case, tanks are all but useless. No Im not saying that you cant the tombs with a tank Im just saying that so far the most efficient way to clear out the area is with a B/P group. In these groups the pets and minions act like the tanks. There are a lot more little tanks and they take up room, so they body block more effectively. There are some balanced groups that go in with a tank or two, but for the most part its just easier with B/P. Hope that helped with your question.

TaMa

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Houston

Cube

Mo/

10 Apr 2006 at 23:41 - 5

join a HA active guild. It helps to have ventrilo or ts. PM me in game if you ever need help

X Firestorm

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

Gold

W/

10 Apr 2006 at 23:47 - 6

he int looking to get in a pvp guild lol. he means 'new' pve tombs

Stealthy Trapper

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Cincinnati, Ohio

Knights Assassins [Kill]

R/

10 Apr 2006 at 23:47 - 7

[QUOTE=Maria The Princess]hey! let rangers enjoy the only High end farming place where they are welcome in a team!

Amen my friend!!!!

I'm just afraid that Assassins will be neglected in Factions the same way Rangers were in prophecies.

Maria The Princess

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Aequitas Deis

11 Apr 2006 at 00:47 - 8

i'd be surprised..... assasin seemed to be very popular during the preview, in my view its a mix of a warior (60%) and ranger (40%)
the only probl;em with it is the forced chain skilles... 1 interupted and youre stuk. but i realy enjoyed using it.

SnoopJeDi

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Saved By My Pinchers of Peril

R/N

11 Apr 2006 at 00:55 - 9

If you want to coerce people, uninstall Guild Wars pronto.

As stated above, B/P is by far the most efficient way (so far) to clear ToPK, because minions and pets act like tanks, and the dead pets actually are a benefit, allowing Death Nova damage and more minions. If you really want to get in, just grab some friends and form a B/P minus one ranger, or a balanced group.

Or, you could Oro farm and use the money from that to buy the axe.

Haggard

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

Urmston, Manchester, UK

Greener Pastures [DVDF]

W/Rt

11 Apr 2006 at 02:38 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by TaMa

join a HA active guild. It helps to have ventrilo or ts. PM me in game if you ever need help

He means the Tombs of Primeval Kings, where you fight to clear out the Rift of evil fiends, and steal some cheap cheap greens at the end (except the bulwark.. and ogre knife)

Old Fart Gamer

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2006

CA

W/Mo

11 Apr 2006 at 03:13 - 11

Well, this isn't what I wanted to hear

I won't give up tho... I just fought thru ToPK/Hall of Heroes about 4 times in 'balanced' grps and got as far as the 4th tier. The reason we didn't go farther was because of lack of teamwork not lack of proper skills/professions. It was promising tho and will prolly try to lead/create my own grps in the future.
The reason why I don't go with my guildies is that no one is as far as I am yet (small start up guild). Thanx for all the replies tho, has helped me realize what I'm up against

....I won't give up!!

Ole Man Bourbon

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

Atlanta

GONG

W/E

11 Apr 2006 at 03:43 - 12

You could make a monk, necro, or ranger and farm ToPK till you're blue in the face. FWIW, I think ToPK farming is boring as hell and sucks.

Maria The Princess

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Aequitas Deis

11 Apr 2006 at 03:49 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ole Man Bourbon

You could make a monk, necro, or ranger and farm ToPK till you're blue in the face. FWIW, I think ToPK farming is boring as hell and sucks.

IDK.... i like it for the fun. its fun doin it (when youre a ranger), well only too bad prices droped so dramaticlly... even buwlrak isnt 100k anymore

and BTW, just go to ORO, and within 2 hours you will be able to buy 3 victos axes, with some shield, so if youre not BP, you got a long, hard, painful way to go.

ps- make sure your eyes dont start bleeding before you get to Darkness with balanced group...

good luck

{IceFire}

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

W/

11 Apr 2006 at 04:18 - 14

he didn't ask for sermons saying why tanks suck... nor did he ask for other farming methods... :3

~anyways it is pretty hard to find a group as a tank, i guess if youre lucky a guild group could take you... b/p groups are just really good in tombs is why no one wants them.

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

11 Apr 2006 at 04:34 - 15

B/P ranger groups just get through Tombs quicker than others (about an hour compared to 1-1/2 to 2 hours). You can do it as a stance tank with a balanced (echo nuker or 2) group -there are a few running around.

I've done it with my guildies when it first went PvE, and it wasn't a whole lot of fun, because it's been my experience as a tank that the whole purpose for being in there was to block baddies from the casters & take a beating. And don't worry about doing a lot of damage, as you're blind for most of the time!

Juicey Shake

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

CA

in it for the trimmmm

R/

11 Apr 2006 at 05:47 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maria The Princess

let rangers enjoy the only High end farming place where they are [teams.. hah! who needs 'em..]

solo FoW
solo ice imps
solo UW

rangers rock, just, you know.. by yourself, all explorer - 'I kill creatures before they know I've attacked them' types, us rangers are...

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

11 Apr 2006 at 05:54 - 17

I myself have a warrior AND a ranger.
Your mad because your tank cant find a group to get into tombs. If your mad because of this, I think you'd need anger managment if you were a ranger. I personally like rangers, but they arent accepted in so many places. Tanks are needed in many places, but tombs is one place that rangers can find a group.

Sofonisba

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Tucson, AZ

The Black Hand Gang [BHG] and The Black Helm Gang [BHeG]

11 Apr 2006 at 06:02 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Fart Gamer

I have been having a hard time finding a group that will take a tank (W/R) into the Hall of Heroes. It's all about B/P this and Orders that

. All I want to do is find Victo's Battle axe (and no, I don't want to just buy it off someone). No one seems to want to take a tank into the HofH...why? I thought tanks were an essential part of any balanced grp. And is there any way that I can coerce people into taking me into their grp?

thanx,
OFG

You are correct, tanks are part of a balanced group. However, it's fun and easy to do b/p, which is far from balanced in a traditional sense.

I have to say, when we did start doing Tombs over the first preview weekend, I was monking and we had a balanced group. It. Took. Forever. And not to mention, the warrior (yes a guildie, I like him so he'll forgive me if I say) whined the entire time because he was blind. Monk has to equip half the skill bar just for condition removal. There are no stances or enchantments which can prevent you from being blind, crippled, bleeding over and over and over again from the monsters' Fingers of Chaos. It drove him crazy, drove me crazy.

The axe is very nice. No matter what people say about Tombs nowadays, it is worth having. I'm sure you'll get there someday with a little patience. Or, you could start leveling your monk, necro, or ranger to participate in a b/p group.

xXa1

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

11 Apr 2006 at 06:43 - 19

OFG:

every farming area can be farmed quickly and efficiently with certain builds and this is true too for ToPK where the 8-man Barrage/Pet build is best and tanks are just not part of that equation, being a liability more than an asset.

in 5 man Oro and FA groups, rangers are unwelcome since they are not as efficient as the cookie-cutter stance tank + bonder + healer + ss/ss/br + mm build.

pity the mesmer farmer imho.

however, i am not saying that it cannot be done with builds outside of the box, i am saying though that it just won't be as efficient.

boxterduke

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Walking the ruins of Ascalon

DVDF

Me/

11 Apr 2006 at 13:52 - 20

Speaking of ranger barrage, pet build wow.
I always went to NUW as a mesmer, monk or necro just doing balanced teams.
My ranger has not even reached the desert at the time.
We went to NUW on Sunday and did pet barrage and wow, it was too much fun.

Maria The Princess

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Aequitas Deis

11 Apr 2006 at 14:04 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juicey Shake

solo FoW
solo ice imps
solo UW

rangers rock, just, you know.. by yourself, all explorer - 'I kill creatures before they know I've attacked them' types, us rangers are...

well i got fed up of soloing imps after 5 runs, and just dont see how a ranger can solo UW.... i know about Fow (never tried mainly cuz when we rarely have favor i get my 55 monk and leave ranger for tombs) , but UW?

how can ranger solo UW?

Havelock

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

11 Apr 2006 at 14:05 - 22

I didn't get why you insist on going there as a Tank. Is this your only Character? Even Oro-Farming is much easier without a Warrior as a Tank. And playing Ranger IS fun

. Same goes for Necro btw. And Monk.

nomed

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2006

11 Apr 2006 at 14:12 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maria The Princess

hey! let rangers enjoy the only High end farming place where they are welcome in a team!

Barrage works just as well in FoW you clown.

DoctorEvil

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

11 Apr 2006 at 14:20 - 24

Heck, I made it a priority to get a Ranger ascended just so I could go Tomb Raiding with my guildmates

I've been on a few Tombs runs now with my various characters. Taking my Warrior in as a tank with a "balanced" group is by far the slowest run I've ever done taking about 2.5- 3 hour. Taking my Mesmer in a "balanced" group usually took a little around 2-2.5 hours. But I ran with my newly ascended Ranger for the first time this weekend in a B/P group...and it took about 1.5 hours.

Maria The Princess

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Aequitas Deis

11 Apr 2006 at 14:22 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by nomed

Barrage works just as well in FoW you clown.

first of , whatch how you speak, and with no minions ranger ends up takin aggro and no barrage can save him then.

if you got nothin usefull to say dont post

Skuld

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Thousend Tigers Apund Ur Head [Ttgr]

A/

11 Apr 2006 at 14:25 - 26

Me as prot monk in balanced: 4 hours

Me as ranger/minion master in B/P: 1 1/2 hours

Why would anyone want to do #1? The only people who would do balanced are the ones without ranger, necro or monk (not many)

nomed

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2006

11 Apr 2006 at 14:29 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maria The Princess

if you got nothin usefull to say dont post

Same applies to you. There is no group that can clear FoW faster than a barrage group. The pets are enough to keep the enemies at range long enough to kill. The build has to be changed a bit, but find out about that for yourself.
As soon as you get to the forgemaster in half an hour with another group, let me know.

Maria The Princess

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Aequitas Deis

11 Apr 2006 at 14:31 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by nomed

Same applies to you. There is no group that can clear FoW faster than a barrage group. The pets are enough to keep the enemies at range long enough to kill. Just take a monk instead of the MM and you are all fine, if the people know how to play.

lol and exactly how many BP groups you find there?
in D1, didnt see a single 1 yet

boxcarracers052

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

The Cellmates

Mo/Me

11 Apr 2006 at 14:31 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sofonisba

You are correct, tanks are part of a balanced group. However, it's fun and easy to do b/p, which is far from balanced in a traditional sense.

I have to say, when we did start doing Tombs over the first preview weekend, I was monking and we had a balanced group. It. Took. Forever. And not to mention, the warrior (yes a guildie, I like him so he'll forgive me if I say) whined the entire time because he was blind. Monk has to equip half the skill bar just for condition removal. There are no stances or enchantments which can prevent you from being blind, crippled, bleeding over and over and over again from the monsters' Fingers of Chaos. It drove him crazy, drove me crazy.

The axe is very nice. No matter what people say about Tombs nowadays, it is worth having. I'm sure you'll get there someday with a little patience. Or, you could start leveling your monk, necro, or ranger to participate in a b/p group.

Restore Condition ftw.

nomed

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2006

11 Apr 2006 at 14:36 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maria The Princess

lol and exactly how many BP groups you find there?
in D1, didnt see a single 1 yet

People are just realizing it, but our clan has had tremendous success with this build for a while now. Don't even need to bother with other builds, this is just too fast. It's easier than barraging in The Underworld / Hall of Heroes.

You are very limited if you think that just because you see no barrage PuGs it doesn't work, but then again there's many limited people in GW who just go with the river and you are no exception.

Sofonisba

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Tucson, AZ

The Black Hand Gang [BHG] and The Black Helm Gang [BHeG]

11 Apr 2006 at 14:40 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skuld

Me as prot monk in balanced: 4 hours

Me as ranger/minion master in B/P: 1 1/2 hours

Why would anyone want to do #1? The only people who would do balanced are the ones without ranger, necro or monk (not many)

And, on the other end... how many times in a balanced group did you get stiffed with no greens/ectos/anything decent after FOUR hours of really hard work? That bites. With a fast-paced group like b/p, it's ok when you don't get anything because there is time enough to take another run.

@ boxcarracer

Yes, great skill

but by the time I bothered to cap RC, we had already moved on to b/p so there was no need. Even with RC, you need one dedicated monk on that tank spamming it. Bleh. No thank you.

.killjoy

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Mo/Me

11 Apr 2006 at 14:43 - 32

b/p teams don't let llv 13 pets in the group idk why

Sofonisba

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Tucson, AZ

The Black Hand Gang [BHG] and The Black Helm Gang [BHeG]

11 Apr 2006 at 14:58 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by .killjoy

b/p teams don't let llv 13 pets in the group idk why

When we are forced to take a pug, we don't care if the pet is level 5. If your team is asking you what level your pet is, rather than the level of your FW, you have found a bad team.

The pet is not there to be strong, the pet is there to be Death Nova'd and dead.

(Disclaimer: I love animals!)

Spydergst1

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Chicago

W/R

11 Apr 2006 at 15:09 - 34

Dude,
You are a warrior/ranger. Build for ranger use a bow and take your pet. Advertise you are built for ranger and you will likely get into a grp.

Big_Iron

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

The Edge

Tormented Weapons [emo]

11 Apr 2006 at 16:36 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spydergst1

Dude,
You are a warrior/ranger. Build for ranger use a bow and take your pet. Advertise you are built for ranger and you will likely get into a grp.

While that does sound like a good idea, most B/P groups will see TANK and not include him.

I know that one of the reasons you want to do this is for Victo's Axe, but there is a Barrage group that wants Tanks and that's in FoW. It's what I've been doing recently with my Ranger because I have to admit, as much fun as Tombs was, after doing it few hundred times, it gets old. The Barrage FoW team doesn't take pets. They usually consist of a Tank, 5 Rangers and 2 Monks (at least the ones I've done). It's just the Book Trick reworked. Instead of Nukers and Necros, you have Barrage Rangers that rain down death on the enemies while the Tank gets beat on. The runs I've been on have been very successful and I plan on doing more.

SirAubrey

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

Angry Dragons

W/Mo

11 Apr 2006 at 17:17 - 36

Change secondary to Ranger, bring a pet and res, and spam B/P Warrior LFG.

Then let a ranger pull, you run in and tank once the monsters are in. Also, make sure you body block stairs and choke points.

Dropping a spirit like winter can help, too.

lennymon

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Seattle

Odin's Hammer [OH] - Servant's of Fortuna [SoF]

R/

11 Apr 2006 at 18:42 - 37

*ahem* trapping in UW *cough* always we rule there

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maria The Princess

hey! let rangers enjoy the only High end farming place where they are welcome in a team!

why nobody takes you? cuz tanks are useless in a BP group and are the first to accumulate 60 dp
we have 5 pets and bone horrors to tank, no place for a Warior, cuz we kik ass so much better then a balanced group.

or join a BALANCED group, which includes Tank, Eles, SS, Monks and somethin else (i never go in balanced groups so im not sure of the exact build), or you can join as a healer into a BP group. use SEARCH to find THE build for Tombs tank

oh yeah....you have 4 character slots for a good reason.

AND this: I'll take a level 3

minion fodder IS the point... plus your pet will be level 12 after first run anyways. heh

Quote:

Originally Posted by .killjoy

b/p teams don't let llv 13 pets in the group idk why

Shattered Self

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

PvE

N/

11 Apr 2006 at 18:48 - 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirAubrey

Change secondary to Ranger, bring a pet and res, and spam B/P Warrior LFG.

Then let a ranger pull, you run in and tank once the monsters are in. Also, make sure you body block stairs and choke points.

Dropping a spirit like winter can help, too.

How is bringing winter going to do anything other than get you kicked out of a b/p group?

Big_Iron

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

The Edge

Tormented Weapons [emo]

11 Apr 2006 at 19:53 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shattered Self

How is bringing winter going to do anything other than get you kicked out of a b/p group?

He's got a point there. You don't need Winter in Tombs.

Maria The Princess

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Aequitas Deis

11 Apr 2006 at 20:03 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shattered Self

How is bringing winter going to do anything other than get you kicked out of a b/p group?

lol never tried..... but i theory might work, cuz all fire damage converts to cold, so meteor shower and burning dont do such damage. and the rangers are suposed to use piercing bows (mot elemntal damage) for Orders to work, so damage comin from us is not cancelled...
spirits you should have are Winowing and Favorable winds

1 problem: any warior, no matter what is his secondary and what he spamms has 0.000009% chance to get into a BP group.