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MrScaRy

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

18 Apr 2006 at 07:55 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alleji

When was the last time you've seen somebody IWAY their way to r9? 4000 fame. IWAY hardly ever wins anything past burial mounds. How many years would it take you to farm 4000 fame in chunks of 3?

I can imagine somebody very patient (and stupid) IWAYing to 1000 fame, but r9? Riiight.

you might be surprised to know there are r8/9+ iway groups forming

edit: the first thing i see when i log on to gw's HA AD1,

R5 Iway War LFG
blahblah's team has won Halls....
R8 iway war lfg

hell i'd even screenshot it for you and censor the names if you wanted

wow what a joke..

ames

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

No Opposing Party

18 Apr 2006 at 08:47 - 42

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrScaRy

you might be surprised to know there are r8/9+ iway groups forming

edit: the first thing i see when i log on to gw's HA AD1,

R5 Iway War LFG
blahblah's team has won Halls....
R8 iway war lfg

hell i'd even screenshot it for you and censor the names if you wanted

wow what a joke..

but i never see these r9+ iway'ers getting into any r9+ groups that aren't running iway... unless the whole group is a buncha of ex-iwayers that are going to lose on broken tower running balanced.

Celios

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Canada

Black Crescent [BC]

18 Apr 2006 at 10:51 - 43

Wow, spending a little too much time worrying about how everyone around us is playing their game, are we?

If someone wants to IWAY, let them. If you feel it doesn't give you anything in the way of experience, don't play. If everyone just concerned themselves for once with playing the game the way they want to rather than complaining how someone else plays theirs, the world would be a happier place.

mariano

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

18 Apr 2006 at 11:22 - 44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toxage

I am getting very frustrated with Heroes’ Ascent right now!

I was almost thinking of leaving Guild Wars because there is no chance for me anymore.
[...]
As everyone here knows Hero's Ascent is all about the rank.

Well, I do not think that Hero's Ascent is all about the rank. I think, that players make it to be all about the rank. This is a distinction which may not be signet.

Any case, in my view, the whole thing about a player's rank as it is now somewhat betrays both the spirit and the letter of the purpose that "Guild Wars is all about a player's skill, not about how long a player has been playing".

Why? Because the player's rank is decided upon Fame, and Fame depends upon one factor which is absolute number of victories. This means that a player's rank depends upon accumulated victories, and not upon the player's seasonal performance. And, by the way, this system is not proper of a tournament.

This might be fixed if Fame were not got for a lifetime, but instead Fame were i) seasonaly reseted, ii) there were negative points. For example, a player I) might earn Fame points by victories, and lose earned Fame points by defeats (to level things a player's Fame might not become negative) and II) each season of 3 months all punctuations would be reseted to zero. Players which had reach the highest rank in a season might receive 1 season time distinctive mark or emblem.

sisCo

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

18 Apr 2006 at 11:49 - 45

Look, if you want fame and rank. Form your own groups FFS.

You're rank 3 no? Rank 3 is decent enough to join groups.

I've noticed most people that spam LF 6+ Surger, most of the time they dont even check your rank. I've been in a crapload of r8/9 groups who didnt ask me to emote and I was jsut rank 5.

The idiots who ask you to emote are the ones that you that have Iwayed their fame or have no confidence in their team. When I see rX LF XXX Emote at storage, I never join those groups nor I join teams that ask me to emote. I'll emote when I want to.

Stop crying, get some self confidence and make your own groups and demand what you them to play.

Ehrenia

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

Melted Chocolate Bunnies [EaT]

18 Apr 2006 at 11:57 - 46

i agree that making your own team is the way forward if you are looking to gain some fame. its what i did all those months ago when i started pvping. then a rank 2+ pickup group that won HoH 16 times in a row + other maps under my name became my guild; Melted Chocolate Bunnies. Now we are all high rank, some higher/lower than others. Although tbh our ranks arent important, we only tomb with each other now and we win every day. key thing when pugging, if you find any good players, call them back

then eventually you will have 8 good players.

Rustjive

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

18 Apr 2006 at 13:40 - 47

To the OP: You're right, just give up. At least in HA, just give up.

I haven't heard of a single successful HA-er that goes onto forums and whines about the rank discrimination. You should be able to form your own groups. For a build, you can get one by observing a one. Sekkira is right - there are tons of people in your position, yet some of them are determined enough to get out of it. These people succeed - in game, and in real life.

Secondly, if you are a good player, you're a good player. I cannot count how many threads I've seen where the poster says they're 'oh-so-experienced in RA/TA', yet have managed to make zero connections there. What, you're too good for the people in RA and TA? Most of these people you're beating or losing to are loners or pairs of people looking for more serious PvP too. A few months ago, ALL my connections were from RA/TA. And because I was a good enough player, other good enough players in RA/TA invited me to join groups they were forming for 8v8 PvP. They were determined and so was I. If you haven't made connections, it's likely you haven't demonstrated to other skilled people that you have what it takes.

In that case, like any other competitive event, practice until you're good enough to compete. Then practice some more. But complaining on forums or ebaying your tiger isn't going to get you anywhere. For eBayed tigers, the good groups in HA eventually catch on to bad PUGs, and you'll be excluded all the same. HA is truly a place for the determined: people determined to get whatever rank emote they want, and determined enough to organize groups to do so.

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

18 Apr 2006 at 14:11 - 48

Its kinda like the rich get richer and the poor remain poor. If you have your emotes, you stand a greater chance of being accepted in to better organized groups. If you don't you're gonna slowly grind your way up. Its especially hard because of IWAY and necro spikers for less experienced players because its hard to counter and requires a lot of knowledge and co-operation. I could have easily been a good rank if i grinded with IWAY because its fame-farming but i chose to retain my self-respect and I'm quite content with r2. At least i can say i earned it rather than swinging an axe tactlessnessly. (is that even a word?)

The Fox

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

18 Apr 2006 at 15:03 - 49

I have received 196,500 balshazzar faction and have never been to HA. My fame is zero... kind of annoying really.

The Real Roy Keane

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Dublin, Ireland

18 Apr 2006 at 15:11 - 50

Quote:

Originally Posted by makosi

I could have easily been a good rank if i grinded with IWAY because its fame-farming but i chose to retain my self-respect and I'm quite content with r2. At least i can say i earned it rather than swinging an axe tactlessnessly. (is that even a word?)

Don't be ridiculous..

jackie

/retired

Join Date: Dec 2005

On the Beach

18 Apr 2006 at 15:15 - 51

PvP World isn't in trouble. Unranked people beat ranked ones and vice versa. There is more r0-6 groups in HA than r6+ and countless of groups winning Hall Of Heroes are Not r9+, so finding a good group shouldn't be a problem in the end.

Rank is more like PvP-player generation. R9's started playing PvP approx same time etc...Rank is more like "Trust/Friend factor". You know the player behind name because you have played against or with her/him. At least rank means that for me. Better results and funnier to play with whom you know already...

Only thing that might be a problem is that at least America's HA had mostly iway teams forming and if you don't like the build it might turn you off... so at least I decided to move back to EU, which has been a wonderful choice so far btw

....

Alleji

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

18 Apr 2006 at 15:20 - 52

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrScaRy

you might be surprised to know there are r8/9+ iway groups forming

No, I wouldn't. Seen that almost every day.

However, I would think that they played at least part of the way to r9 as something else. I still refuse to believe people manage to grind 4k fame by winning first two arenas.

Oh and 80% of these "r8" are actually 6. Don't know if you would be surprised to know that.

defrule

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

Volcano Insurance Salesmen [scam]

18 Apr 2006 at 15:28 - 53

The best teams are guild teams or friend teams.

baz777

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

South East England

Leader: Lady Hairy Armpits S[mell]

E/

18 Apr 2006 at 16:26 - 54

Quote:

Originally Posted by defrule

The best teams are guild teams or friend teams.

Agree.

Our guild is mainly comprised of players who have taken 2 or more characters through the game and know how to play.

We have, in heroes, tried various team builds, balanced, various spikes, etc with varying success.

However, last night we decided to go IWAY. On our third run we actually reached Halls, (lost), and beat a low 300’s ranked guild team on the way.

Kurow

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Seattle

Faces of Death [Tye]

R/W

18 Apr 2006 at 16:41 - 55

If we can all agree that fame is only really a demonstration of how much they have played HoH (and not an accurate one at that), and this only really tells us how well they know the maps, then why do people defend this system? Its like class discrimination, where all the jobs go to the upper class and the lower classes cant get well paying jobs because the upper class is prejudiced against them, when all that seperates them is a tidbit of easily learned knowledge. It may be human nature to be prejudiced to those you presume to be "worse" than you, but its a stupid thing to do.

Also I really like the version of Video Killed the Radio Star by the Presidents of the USA

Tigers Anger

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

Master Casters [MC]

R/Me

18 Apr 2006 at 16:59 - 56

You don't have to be a good rank to join a good guild, hell i'm in a rank 68 guild and most of the people here don't even have emotes (i'm the one of the three with wolves). Rank 3 is enough to form a decent group and very often rank 3 groups > rank 9 IWAY'ers-pretending-to-be-able-to-play-balanced players. In my opinion, join a good guild thats GvGs a lot, get good at GvG and who knows, you might even get well-known for it.

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

18 Apr 2006 at 17:32 - 57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tigers Anger

You don't have to be a good rank to join a good guild, hell i'm in a rank 68 guild and most of the people here don't even have emotes (i'm the one of the three with wolves). Rank 3 is enough to form a decent group and very often rank 3 groups > rank 9 IWAY'ers-pretending-to-be-able-to-play-balanced players. In my opinion, join a good guild thats GvGs a lot, get good at GvG and who knows, you might even get well-known for it.

It wasnt too long ago that some of the guys in Te helped Last of Master get his r3. so yes even some of the most well known players and better pvp players have a very low rank. Im sure that everyone that plays PVP would invite him in a second if he was in the district asking for a grp.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angelina

You want a shiny rank emote to show in pve, so you play iway to get it so you can play with your iway w/mo converted into a w/r ?
go back to pve thanks.

No, preferably i want to keep these people. These are the people that arent doing it to be a better pvp player, to learn the maps better, to learn their character and what to do under certian situations, to learn which skills to use when, to learn to try and pick targets that you know have a spike comming, or pick targets that you know are a threat to your build.

These are the people that just want something to show off, basically treating it like a weapon or shield or armor u can buy with the same thinking of ppl in fissure armor sometimes. "I got fissure nub, im better than u" or people that want an emote just because they think it looks cool. These arent the people that want an emote out of pride and want the emote for pvp purposes or wanting the emote to be able to play with other top players and see just how they stack up with them.

These are the people that WILL get the people that want to learn pvp and can do well in pvp more fame, thus getting me my tiger faster

emopunky

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2005

Cary, NC

The Stock Market

W/Mo

18 Apr 2006 at 17:37 - 58

yeah this is how i felt when i was a crappy rank i couldnt get into any pugs. But seriously those who think rank does matter are complete retards/noobs because rank doesnt mean anything it matters all about how you play and experience. This is why when i make a pug in ha i always give the lower rank guy a chance in my rspikes. and some times i end up winning halls because they arent terrible and know what to do. my suggestion to you is to make your own groups, tahts what i did, and you can always lie and say your r5 even tho your r3 kekekekekekekkekek and usually the only people that i wont accept who are lower rank are the people wanting monk positions D:

Big_L

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Spectral Agony [sA]

18 Apr 2006 at 17:37 - 59

In reaction to a common misconception:
You are not better than your unranked/low ranked peers. You do not deserve special treatment, and high ranked players do not have an obligation to worsen their group's ability to win by dragging you along. Unranked players claim rank means nothing, yet refuse to play with other unranked players because they suck. Dont cry for handouts from the experienced players. Play with similarly ranked peers. Yes, they suck, but so do you.

Although, I wouldn't bother at this point because any respected player will tell you that tombs is a joke. Its been 3 months since I actually joined a tombs group with the intention of winning using a serious build. It takes far more skill to run 3 man/3 hench teams in gvg than it does to win hoh, and I'm not kidding in the slightest.

I am getting poor though, so I might get some people together to farm the hoh chest for crystalline swords. We'll do 4-5 man to get the best drops. Anyone interrested?

Winterclaw

Wark!!!

Join Date: May 2005

Florida

W/

18 Apr 2006 at 17:37 - 60

Last of Master? Isn't that the Warrior from EviL?

Weird.

And good. If EviL ever decided to hold HoH then the rest of the world is up the creek when it comes to favor.

pigdestroyer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Los Chavos Del [ocho]

W/

18 Apr 2006 at 18:37 - 61

Last of Master r3?

thats kind of funny

lishi

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

18 Apr 2006 at 20:10 - 62

Quote:

Originally Posted by pigdestroyer

Last of Master r3?

thats kind of funny

tomb and gvg are pretty different

many good tomb player get some probrem on gvg (they dont have experience) i guess it is same otherwise

SeekerTruth

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Apr 2006

Warriors Of The Last Forsaken

R/Mo

18 Apr 2006 at 23:43 - 63

I need to know how to get to HA but everyone forgot. PLEASE help me I'm going to beat some people.

Francis Demeules

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Canada, Qc

[Holy]

Me/Mo

19 Apr 2006 at 00:55 - 64

Quote:

Originally Posted by SeekerTruth

I need to know how to get to HA but everyone forgot. PLEASE help me I'm going to beat some people.

Take the boat on your map to go to Balthazaar Temple (and your map will change when you get there). You can go by the map. If it isn't unlocked, do Random Arena and win 5x in a row to unlock Team Arena (AkA TA). Do the same thing inTA and you unlock Heroes Ascent

Cymboric Treewalker

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Imperial Palace - Cantha

[SFK] Sacred Forge Knights (founder)

Me/Mo

19 Apr 2006 at 17:52 - 65

I have a rank of 0 and am damn proud of it. I know what is required to get better... I know how to get rank... I don't want rank... I don't want to be all tense playing a game that is supposed to relax me... nope. Please keep yer rank 'cause I am happy where I am.

Now for an honet opinion from a person with nothing vested on either side.

I believe that RANK should be earned from the following:

GvG play
TA play
HA play

Certainly HA and GvG play should result in more than TA, but all of these areas help in determining how good a player is. I think it is foolish that you can only get rank/fame in HA.

tomcruisejr

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2005

19 Apr 2006 at 18:12 - 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alleji

When was the last time you've seen somebody IWAY their way to r9? 4000 fame. IWAY hardly ever wins anything past burial mounds. How many years would it take you to farm 4000 fame in chunks of 3?

I can imagine somebody very patient (and stupid) IWAYing to 1000 fame, but r9? Riiight.

where were you when a guild was winning HoH almost everyday with IWAY?

and there were lots of disbanded iway guilds too whose members got r9+ playing iway.

vaxmor

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Ascalon

R/

20 Apr 2006 at 02:54 - 67

yeah rank should be given for GvG, also to keep it balanced, every time a HA team wins in HA their guild rating+rank should go up, too. . . .

cleric

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

20 Apr 2006 at 03:14 - 68

if you IWAY all damn day you will get R9 through attrition but you still got it with IWAY

Skarjak

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

N/Mo

20 Apr 2006 at 03:38 - 69

Guys, I've played a lot of GvG but my guild never really went to the halls, so I'm still rank 0. Some of you said IWAY is a good way to get some rank. Do you think playing a monk would allow me to get my rank faster? What's a good way to get some fame?

Konrow

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

NY, New York

Warlords of Earth [WAR]

20 Apr 2006 at 04:10 - 70

lol your complaining about getting agroup with r3? try just starting and having r0. now thats when its hard to get a group. i just get a group of friedns together and if they aren't around one day i'll go get my guild-mates and make a team