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Avarre

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13 Apr 2006 at 15:37 - 41

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also would never bring a "Mesmer" in PvE. Booktrick + SS ftw.

Declaring the book trick better than a mesmer is a direct insult. Thats like saying IWAY is better than mesmers. That mending palas are better!

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13 Apr 2006 at 15:39 - 42

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Originally Posted by Theos

Double-post I apologize.

Why must you personally attack him? Lets see, where your flawed statement becomes flawed.

First why don't you try and kill a foe with MoP with only one skill, no matter your profession I bet you ten bucks you will fail. Now beyond that idiotic flaw in your statement lets move on, SS is not designed to interupt, why you comapre it to interupting skills is beyond me. I am sure a necro with Soul Leech and some nice Marks of Subversion can hack apart casters, and even Monks if used correctly. After all, Necro's ignore armour too and have alot more direct damage skills.

Though really I want you to do as you said, but now flip it and you go into FoW with interupts and you kill a massive mob. See how thats not really fair? Neither is saying "Use SS to kill some monk boss."

wow, are you his dad or mom, make sure that you pack his lunch also.
He is attacking mesmers and that gives me the right to attack whatever stupid profession he is playing. I think he is a warrior.

Mind you I play all professions and love them all. But I cannot stand when people say mesmers or eles are usless.

Where were you and him when no one wanted necros in there parties.
November comes and AoE nurf and opps everyone is a necro and eles are garbage.

Also I'm telling him that SS would kill but you need an iterrupt to stop that mark of pretection. Team work.

So before mouthing off go read my post and try to understand first.

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13 Apr 2006 at 15:45 - 43

Unfortunatley others casters dont like mesmers

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13 Apr 2006 at 15:55 - 44

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Originally Posted by boxterduke

wow, are you his dad or mom, make sure that you pack his lunch also.
He is attacking mesmers and that gives me the right to attack whatever stupid profession he is playing. I think he is a warrior.

Mind you I play all professions and love them all. But I cannot stand when people say mesmers or eles are usless.

Where were you and him when no one wanted necros in there parties.
November comes and AoE nurf and opps everyone is a necro and eles are garbage.

Also I'm telling him that SS would kill but you need an iterrupt to stop that mark of pretection. Team work.

So before mouthing off go read my post and try to understand first.

And eye for an eye and the world would be blind. I am sorry nothing gives you the right to attack someone no matter how stupid their comments may be.

The AoE nerf brought some life to the stale routine of Necros, MM this, Battery that. Now atleast they can use their curse line as well. Eles are garbage only to morons who can't use them, they are still quite capable its just that everyone is so ingraned in the ideas "OMGZOR FIRES TEH AWESOME!" that they can't even look at the other branches of an ele.

I have been playing the game since Beta, I was around when everyone was a WaMo and when necros were in the same boat as mesmers. I really don't remember any necro self glorification threads. Maybe a few threads about N/W and all that but that was on a different subject than, "OMGZOR EVERYZONE HATESMEH!"

Now look at your own post, you told him to use SS to kill yakslapper. You must realise skills are not designed to be godlike and kill everything imaginable. SS kills idiotic melee AI, Yakslapper is a monk... I see no corrolation and even a reason to use SS on a boss... that heals. Let's look shall we, my comments are in bold:

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Originally Posted by boxterduke

God, pfft again with the booktrick, just admit that you do not have the skill to play chalenging areas without the book trick.Personal attack, shows only immaturity. Even good players sometimes opt for the book as it makes things pointlessly easy and all they want to do is farm. It is also your opinion, only, that he cannot do it without the book. If you twist his post you can make it say "I suck at PvE" or "SS and Booktrick" is more efficient".
SS is a FINE skill but its does not interrupt monks now does it. Duh, SS is not designed to do this. If it did it might as well be called Broken, not SS.
Go to Grenth's Footprint and kill all the mobs around the Yakslapper guy and try to kill him with no interrupts and just SS.Look up, this is a horrible argument. A skill made to damage idiotic groups of Melee AI has nothing to do with a Monk Boss. Do people tell you to use a water gun to fight in Iraq?
You will be there for days.Sure you can sit there interupting all day, but I don't think you will make much headway either.

I'm sure you still have not faced an enemy with Mark of Protection (Yakslapper guy for eg)

Avare: I am sorry I overlooked his "Would never bring mesmers in PvE" though it is his opinion. It still not a reason to attack, it is his opinion and he has still not said "Mesmers are teh sux" he has just showed his own personal preference.

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13 Apr 2006 at 16:07 - 45

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Originally Posted by boxterduke

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SS is a FINE skill but its does not interrupt monks now does it.

Quoting myself here.

And asking a question, anyone else did not understand my sentence here?

For the people that did not understand it ^^^ (above post)

SS is a fine skill (meaning SS is a fine skill)

but it does not interrupt (means SS DOES NOT interrupt)

now does it (is a question, I should have put in the ? at the end but I thought its self explanatory)

As in stating a fact and then confirming it with a question.

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Originally Posted by boxterduke

Also I'm telling him that SS would kill but you need an iterrupt to stop that mark of pretection. Team work.

Again quoting myself.

Hmm I do not see why Theos has a problem. He is not understaning my whole post in saying that SS alone and an interupter alone (also rangers) won't be able to do anything to the Yakslapper guy, TEAM WORK people.

I do not know what to say more to get my point to sink here.

lol

Theos

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13 Apr 2006 at 16:10 - 46

Quote:

Originally Posted by boxterduke

Quoting myself here.

And asking a question, anyone else did not understand my sentence here?

For the people that did not understand it ^^^ (above post)

SS is a fine skill (meaning SS is a fine skill)

but it does not interrupt (means SS DOES NOT interrupt)

now does it (is a question, I should have put in the ? at the end but I thought its self explanatory)

As in stating a fact and then confirming it with a question.

I understood it fine. You context is oddly worded and confusing as you, for some odd reason, use SS as a comparison against Interupt skills. Again you don't fight a war with a water gun.

Here is how your own post should have been worded:

"SS is a good skill, it just doesn't interupt. This is why you need Mesmers to interupt things like Yakslapper who, without a lot of time dedicated, will not die to SS."

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13 Apr 2006 at 16:14 - 47

I made my mesmer awhile back and got stuck at Yaks Bend.
I went ahead and completed all 5 other classes to Hells. After realizing that I used mesmer secondary alot with the other 5 classes, I figured I might as well complete a mesmer primary. I just got my mesmer to the Southern Shiverpeaks. Mesmers are fun to play. They can dominate monks and tanks in many ways. I love my mesmer!

boxterduke

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13 Apr 2006 at 16:17 - 48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Theos

Now look at your own post, you told him to use SS to kill yakslapper. You must realise skills are not designed to be godlike and kill everything imaginable. SS kills idiotic melee AI, Yakslapper is a monk... I see no corrolation and even a reason to use SS on a boss... that heals. Let's look shall we, my comments are in bold:

My point exactly, he is going off on SS+booktrick is FTW and screw rangers and mesmers.
So I was telling him SS is not killing high end bosses.

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Originally Posted by Theos

"SS is a good skill, it just doesn't interupt. This is why you need Mesmers to interupt things like Yakslapper who, without a lot of time dedicated, will not die to SS."

Damn misunderstandings

This shows that both of us have a passion to this little game we play.

gg

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13 Apr 2006 at 17:06 - 49

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Originally Posted by boxterduke

God, pfft again with the booktrick, just admit that you do not have the skill to play chalenging areas without the book trick.
SS is a FINE skill but its does not interrupt monks now does it.
Go to Grenth's Footprint and kill all the mobs around the Yakslapper guy and try to kill him with no interrupts and just SS.
You will be there for days.

I'm sure you still have not faced an enemy with Mark of Protection (Yakslapper guy for eg)

Actually, I rarely use the booktrick on the first-time through an area. Every other time I do...because it takes 1/100th the time. Ri will just make it that much easier...

And facing enemies with MoP is quite simple...it has such a long downtime that I have soloed them with a sword warrior...

And who uses interupts in PvE? Beyond that...who would use a mesmer with interupts every ~30 seconds over a ranger with interupts being spammed constantly? The ranger would also do a ton more damage.

But really...I would rather have an orders necro...the AI isnt smart enough to require interuption.

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13 Apr 2006 at 17:30 - 50

Forgive my ignorance, but please define "Booktrick"

Is this a build? A skill? A reference to another thread/website/guide?

I honestly don't know, but I'm seeing it more and more and would like to.

Thank you.

boxterduke

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13 Apr 2006 at 17:35 - 51

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Denfer

Forgive my ignorance, but please define "Booktrick"

Is this a build? A skill? A reference to another thread/website/guide?

I honestly don't know, but I'm seeing it more and more and would like to.

Thank you.

Booktrick is when you hold an item (like a Surrows Furnace Gear, the Tourch in Thunder Head Keep mission, the book you get from a quest in Fissure)

You get a warrior that holds the book and aggros the mobs, they will attack him while 99% ignoring the others.

This way everyone can SS/Nuke/Damage the mobs while they are busy attaccking the tank. The monk has to make sure that the tank stays alive.

In Ch2 preview, it turned out that the Ritualists ashes (skills that summon ashes of dead people) act like the booktrick.

Thats why there was a thread about it during the FPE since no need for the items anymore. Any W/Rt can just summon an ashe and act as a tank in any mission/area/situation.

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Book_trick

It started in Fissure, thats why its called booktrick.

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13 Apr 2006 at 17:58 - 52

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Originally Posted by boxterduke

It started in Fissure, thats why its called booktrick.

Minor correction: It only became popular/well known in fissure. I know many people that have been doing it for as long as they have been playing. (Its always worked)

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13 Apr 2006 at 18:11 - 53

Quote:

Originally Posted by boxterduke

Booktrick is when you hold an item (like a Surrows Furnace Gear, the Tourch in Thunder Head Keep mission, the book you get from a quest in Fissure...

Thank you very much. I feel I now understand this conversation better.

To get back to topic, I had a lot of problems getting a group as a mesmer, but the groups that took me never regretted it.

I only had one group I left before the mission started over what was looking like the beginning of "shoot the mesmer not the enemy."

One of the warriors was impatient and kept insisting on a re-zone to get into a new district. They ducked into an area of the map I hadn't been in before, so it apparently took my connection longer to load me by about 5 more seconds then said warrior's patient level could stand.

I got called all kinds of names for making the group "wait" to re enter the outpost.

I left as it was obvious where this dude was going to be directing his aggression toward.

Guild Wars has been out for over a year. If people in general don't know by now how important each class is to the other, they aren't going to be convinced now. But I appreciate the kudos as a memser none the less.

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13 Apr 2006 at 18:16 - 54

i love my mesmer 2. Its so fun shuting down the mobs healers. Notice how most kill the Mesmer right after the monk in PvP, What does that tell u,

mesmers will destroy u if u dont take them out.

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13 Apr 2006 at 18:33 - 55

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Originally Posted by Mandy Memory

And who uses interupts in PvE? Beyond that...who would use a mesmer with interupts every ~30 seconds over a ranger with interupts being spammed constantly? The ranger would also do a ton more damage.

/slaps forehead

Check the skill pages... 1 every 30 sec? No damage or other effects? Sheesh.

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13 Apr 2006 at 18:38 - 56

Mandy, one small bit of advice ... stop while your behind, you clearly have no idea how a mesmer can operate.

and the "booktrick + SS' thing ... try some creative thought once in a while

im sorry, not trying to be mean, but im sick to death of the total lack of anything resembling creativity and the same old cookie cutter builds that have reduced this game to three playable classes (W / Mo / N)

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13 Apr 2006 at 19:38 - 57

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Originally Posted by floplag

Mandy, one small bit of advice ... stop while your behind, you clearly have no idea how a mesmer can operate.

and the "booktrick + SS' thing ... try some creative thought once in a while

im sorry, not trying to be mean, but im sick to death of the total lack of anything resembling creativity and the same old cookie cutter builds that have reduced this game to three playable classes (W / Mo / N)

Read his post again about the book trick. Efficiency vs creativity is an argument for another time, not for this thread.

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13 Apr 2006 at 20:04 - 58

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Originally Posted by tuperwho

/slaps forehead

Check the skill pages... 1 every 30 sec? No damage or other effects? Sheesh.

15-20 second recharges...and they only work on spells (Besides a select few...which have little to no other effects) That fireball/whatever isnt going to hurt you/heal them for much. I would much rather have a choking gas ranger...and they arent that great.

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Originally Posted by floplag

Mandy, one small bit of advice ... stop while your behind, you clearly have no idea how a mesmer can operate.

and the "booktrick + SS' thing ... try some creative thought once in a while

im sorry, not trying to be mean, but im sick to death of the total lack of anything resembling creativity and the same old cookie cutter builds that have reduced this game to three playable classes (W / Mo / N)

Creativity is IWAY and the booktrick and etc...how do you think these things came around? (Of course now they arent as creative...but modding them is) Plus they are extremely effecient.

And W/Mo/N are the only good classes in pve...but there are many threads on this. Its just like how W/Mo/Me/R/N are the only good classes in pvp.

I know it sounds mean...but in pve all a mesmer should do is double echo SS. (And SV for farming in some places...but I am talking about general missions/gameplay)

Personally...I run an IWAY-esque pve build with my friends. No downtime. No interupts. Pure damage. We clear stuff a lot faster than any other group Ive been in. (Excluding a good barrage team in tombs/SF)

Just a note: I played a mesmer for 7-8 months...They are horrid in pve. Its a completely pvp oriented class, where they are up there with the best. (The best being warriors)

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13 Apr 2006 at 20:08 - 59

Mandy, i dont understand why you would post in this thread. --you dont like mesmers-- thats fine. dont play one.

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13 Apr 2006 at 20:19 - 60

re-read what ?

the one about renagers being better interrupters ? or the one about not wanting a mesmer in a group, ever ? did i misundertand either ?

im all for efficeiancy, but the problem is that too many think that there is only one way to do things in the most efficient manner, the problem, with this game right now is that too many people take what they read on these public forums as gospel, rather than suggestions... and just assume that its always true, which in many cases in not the truth

i have played my mesmer for more hours than any other but my ranger and am well aware of what both can do, and to even hint that a ranger can interrupt better than a mesmer proves that one has no idea how a mesmer operates. it simple isnt true. and that doesnt even factor in the other things a messmer can do in denial, or damage. some people have a very narrow minded thouht about what a mesmer actualyl is, and thier perception is completely incorrect

im not knocking rangers as interrupters.. i use a build for that often myself ... but its not the primary thing im trying to do there with the ranger, its a by product

i stand by my comments

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13 Apr 2006 at 20:25 - 61

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Originally Posted by d4nowar

Hello everyone! ^^

I just gotta say... the female mesmer is the best looking character in the game. No contest... Actually, there is a contest. But everything else loses.

Gotta love them mesmer toons.

Err... Good bye.

To you its best looking, but to someone else it could be ugly.

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13 Apr 2006 at 20:33 - 62

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Originally Posted by Gargle Blaster

Mandy, i dont understand why you would post in this thread. --you dont like mesmers-- thats fine. dont play one.

You have completely misunderstood me. I love mesmers. They look, dance, and play way differently that the other classes. Different is good. I just dont think they are good in pve. I only really hate elementalists, but that is because they are completely flawed making them fairly useless. And just because I dont play a mesmer anymore, I still have a right to voice my opinion about "Mesmars." Which are completely different IMO. (lol...no really Im just playing devil's advocate in a pve dominated thread...on a pvp dominated board/thread I, along with everyone else, would be singing praises.)

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Originally Posted by floplag

re-read what ?

the one about renagers being better interrupters ? or the one about not wanting a mesmer in a group, ever ? did i misundertand either ?

im all for efficeiancy, but the problem is that too many think that there is only one way to do things in the most efficient manner, the problem, with this game right now is that too many people take what they read on these public forums as gospel, rather than suggestions... and just assume that its always true, which in many cases in not the truth

i stand by my comments

Sadly I completely agree with people playing cookie cutter builds being rather lame. I am not one of those people though. My friends and I are quite good at exploiting the AI and we use it to our advantage. We have been "Book tricking" since well before the games release. Our group often used an AOE smiter (or 4) and we were able to get by without even having a monk to heal the warrior tanking. (Mending ftw...No really....he kept himself alive with mending and healing hands [and amity before that was elite] but thats an extremely old build)

I know where and when mesmers are good...I just would rather not grind away for hours while a subpar mesmer attempts to interupt some monk boss. I dont care how big his MoP is...those 4 eviscerate/executioners are going to kill him when it wears off. (because really now...who would booktrick when only a single boss remains?)

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13 Apr 2006 at 20:36 - 63

i understand, but still think you have a fairly narrow view of what mesmers do. interrupting is one small part, far from the whole

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13 Apr 2006 at 20:50 - 64

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Originally Posted by floplag

i understand, but still think you have a fairly narrow view of what mesmers do. interrupting is one small part, far from the whole

Interupting, degening...(ooo starting to draw a blank already)...SVing?...IWing?...Blackouting?...Edenia l?...Hex/Enchant removal?...Nothing I can think of that wouldnt be a waste of a team slot. (Sorry pve mesmers...)

I really just looked through every skill for mesmers...both from proph and factions. There are no skills that would make me want to bring a mesmer, let alone a primary mesmer.

(Note: the above X posts from me all reguard pve)

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13 Apr 2006 at 21:37 - 65

well, your entitled to your opinion .. but let me suggest one thing .. try doing thirsty river with a mesmer, and without, you tell me the difference.

otherwise, i guess we agree to disagree

Theos

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13 Apr 2006 at 22:07 - 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by floplag

well, your entitled to your opinion .. but let me suggest one thing .. try doing thirsty river with a mesmer, and without, you tell me the difference.

otherwise, i guess we agree to disagree

If you have a compitent ranger there won't be a difference. Though who knows how many of those you will find.

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13 Apr 2006 at 22:10 - 67

Why are Mesmurs getting this as it is bash the Warrior and Monks week or month?When will Monks,Warrior and say eles going to gett thier appreciation?

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13 Apr 2006 at 22:54 - 68

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miraculix B.

(becaus male mesmer fissure looks way better than female mesmer fissure armor)

I think you're crazy.

I LOVE female mesmer Fissure, it looks so nice.. it's my overall favorite armor throughout the whole game. I love my mesmer.. and all mesmers.

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13 Apr 2006 at 23:35 - 69

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mandy Memory

Interupting, degening...(ooo starting to draw a blank already)...SVing?...IWing?...Blackouting?...Edenia l?...Hex/Enchant removal?...Nothing I can think of that wouldnt be a waste of a team slot. (Sorry pve mesmers...)

I really just looked through every skill for mesmers...both from proph and factions. There are no skills that would make me want to bring a mesmer, let alone a primary mesmer.

(Note: the above X posts from me all reguard pve)

I'm going to be nice and let this one pass (1:35 AM right now...wee bit tired)...doesn't mean I'm not terribly tempted to snap back at you, though. I'll let the other mesmer enthusiasts have that honor...

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13 Apr 2006 at 23:45 - 70

Quote:

Originally Posted by Naxohs Seralna

I'm going to be nice and let this one pass (1:35 AM right now...wee bit tired)...doesn't mean I'm not terribly tempted to snap back at you, though. I'll let the other mesmer enthusiasts have that honor...

He actually said most of the current metagame players. Includign alot of PvE mesmer players. Though not everyone runs cookies, which is why I don't like his post... but what can you do. To each his own.

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14 Apr 2006 at 00:07 - 71

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mandy Memory

Interupting, degening...(ooo starting to draw a blank already)...SVing?...IWing?...Blackouting?...Edenia l?...Hex/Enchant removal?...Nothing I can think of that wouldnt be a waste of a team slot. (Sorry pve mesmers...)

I really just looked through every skill for mesmers...both from proph and factions. There are no skills that would make me want to bring a mesmer, let alone a primary mesmer.

(Note: the above X posts from me all reguard pve)

You need a big hug, come here you silly pooshi wooshi booboo... *hugs Mandy Memory* There, now doesn't that feel better? *whispers* psst, I'm a pve mesmer

seriously though, it's a mesmer appreciation thread... so YAY! I love playing my mesmer more than any of the other characters I have.

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14 Apr 2006 at 03:38 - 72

I have a feeling Mesmers will gain much appreciation in Factions, especially in PvE. Just from the FPE I noticed an abundance of very annoying and difficult enemies, such as the Oni (Assassins). The Ineptitude + Clumsiness combo will be a best friend of many.

As always, the class will take more skill to efficiently play, so there will still be the frustration with Conjure Nightmare spammers.

But anyway, it's great to see so many others that do like playing Mesmers!

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14 Apr 2006 at 04:11 - 73

We've got a defogging 4 man PvE build that we use to just clear the fog from the world map. A mesmer is one of the key roles, and I just love playing a mesmer.

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14 Apr 2006 at 04:22 - 74

mezmers are great and they are essential to any team

But this forum just screams “HELP MY EGO!!!!”

And in my opinion (and only that) mezmers have the worst character models in the game. I also don’t like their dance.

But as I said before that’s only my opinion. Take of it as you will

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14 Apr 2006 at 05:05 - 75

I have nothing against Mesmers. I appreciate what they are capable of doing...I have nothing against one being on my team...WHEN the person playing the Mesmer knows what they are doing..same as any other class. Having a good Mesmer on the team is never a bad thing, and automatically shunning one from the group BECAUSE they are a Mesmer is kinda corny, but whatever...to each his own...

If a Mesmer asks to join my group, I let him. Why shouldn't I? Because he is "not as efficient as *insert class/build here*", or something like that? Big deal...whatever...

So yeah, no problem with Mesmers, here. If one wants to join my group, I let him.

One thing I will honestly say...I don't really care for their dance...Male or Female, but then again, there aren't really any class's dance that I can actually say I truly LIKE...so, that might not matter anyway. *shrug*

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14 Apr 2006 at 05:49 - 76

way to appreciate by mispelling in the sbuject title

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14 Apr 2006 at 06:13 - 77

Quote:

Originally Posted by floplag

well, your entitled to your opinion .. but let me suggest one thing .. try doing thirsty river with a mesmer, and without, you tell me the difference.

otherwise, i guess we agree to disagree

Warriors have 2 interupts, rangers have better interupts than mesmers, and ele (shudder) have KD. Personally, I beat Thirsty River with a couple hammer warriors. So yes, the difference is: With the mesmer, the damage output is lowered and the interupts must be well timed (against the 1/4-1/2 cast skills). Whereas with the warrior...the KD is constant and the damage is higher. Big difference, just probably not the way you were hoping for.

but yes, *shakes hand* Twas a good time arguing our points. Hope you had as much fun as I did.

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Originally Posted by Matsumi

You need a big hug, come here you silly pooshi wooshi booboo... *hugs Mandy Memory* There, now doesn't that feel better? *whispers* psst, I'm a pve mesmer

Aweee...I feel special.

Lol and I actually have taken pve mesmers...in pugs. (Shudders at the memories...[mainly memories of ele tanks] Ive been lucky with pve pug mesmers. AKA they didnt die quick, I dont pay much attention to what everyone is doing in a pug as long as the team is doing well overall)

/Salute to all the PVE mesmers. You have more patience than us all.

Doc Baz

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

White Mantle Legends

Mo/N

14 Apr 2006 at 07:48 - 78

Well I hate Mesmers, but being a Monk that's out of respect and fear

LifeInfusion

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

E/Mo

14 Apr 2006 at 19:34 - 79

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Originally Posted by Mandy Memory

Interupting, degening...(ooo starting to draw a blank already)...SVing?...IWing?...Blackouting?...Edenia l?...Hex/Enchant removal?...Nothing I can think of that wouldnt be a waste of a team slot. (Sorry pve mesmers...)

I really just looked through every skill for mesmers...both from proph and factions. There are no skills that would make me want to bring a mesmer, let alone a primary mesmer.

(Note: the above X posts from me all reguard pve)

Warriors and Rangers don't ignore armor. They can miss too. Blackout is useful when everything is cleared and you need to kill a boss. Power Return will mean mesmers can interrupt casters more often than rangers. Ineptitude and Clumsiness prevent those Eviscerates you love so much. Rangers cannot shutdown adrenaline attacks or signets, mesmers can.

Enchant removal is useful but necromancers have better enchant removal (to be changed when factions comes with the Shatterstorm skill).

Hex removal can be done by a monk, but mesmers have more utility, because inspired hex can gain them energy and shatter hex can do damage.

Mesmers can fast cast resurrect and spread conditions from other party members. No other class can do so.

Just because a warrior is on the front line and monks heal them doesn't mean that mesmers are less useful. There is plenty utility to a mesmer.

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Originally Posted by Age

Why are Mesmurs getting this as it is bash the Warrior and Monks week or month?When will Monks,Warrior and say eles going to gett thier appreciation?

There's too many Warriors (Paladins come to mind) and Elementalists (some that use firestorm...). Monks...they are rarely in quests...there are too many 55ers that do not do quests and only farm.

Mandy Memory

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2005

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W/

14 Apr 2006 at 20:37 - 80

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Originally Posted by LifeInfusion

Warriors and Rangers don't ignore armor. They can miss too.

Warriors and Rangers DO ignore armor. And they do it while dealing more damage anyways.

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Blackout is useful when everything is cleared and you need to kill a boss.

May I ask how? I usually think of damage as a good way of killing something...not disabling a character on your team to force the boss into attacking like he was probably going to be doing anyways...

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Power Return will mean mesmers can interrupt casters more often than rangers.

You say that like there is more that needs to be interupted...Monsters usually only have 3 skills. Those ranger interupts every ~1.5 seconds will do more than enough to stop the genious AI.

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Ineptitude and Clumsiness prevent those Eviscerates you love so much.

Actually...they will stop 1. The other warriors' eviscerates will still make it through. Of course there are only ~3 monsters that use those skills in PVE. Almost a valid point...if it existed in the game.

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Rangers cannot shutdown adrenaline attacks or signets, mesmers can.

Actually the mesmers only have 1 skill to stop either of these whereas the rangers have all but 1. The rangers are way more likely to shut them down. Mesmers are only decent at interupting spells, which are not a big enough problem in PVE to warrent bringing a mesmer and lowing your dps.

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Enchant removal is useful but necromancers have better enchant removal (to be changed when factions comes with the Shatterstorm skill).

You are removing enchants in PvE why? And Necros will still be better because of Order of the Apost.

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Hex removal can be done by a monk, but mesmers have more utility, because inspired hex can gain them energy and shatter hex can do damage.

Smite Hex maybe?

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Mesmers can fast cast resurrect and spread conditions from other party members. No other class can do so.

A mesmer doesnt even have ressurect without being a Me/Mo thus saying that mesmers are more effective at being anything other than a mesmer. And spreading conditions does nothing in pve where the monsters die every 5 seconds.

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Just because a warrior is on the front line and monks heal them doesn't mean that mesmers are less useful. There is plenty utility to a mesmer.

Utility is not needed in PvE...All you really need are heals and damage. N/W/Mo all do this nicely. If you are in an area that is overcrowded or you need interupts, bring a ranger.