Water Ele: Are they pointless?
Pi_Numurian
I have a question for those who are water. In my opinion water spells just slow down people, they don't do high damage like fire, the don't do good damage with some effects like Air, they don't support like earth, so what is the point? I am sorry if I offend any of you
Avarre
Snares are very useful in PvP 
In PvE, their use is somewhat less... Deep freeze + Maelstrom can force mobs to spend quite some time to scatter, interrupting them as well. Ward v Harm isn't bad... nor is blurred vision.
Water is a good running skill too. It's kind of a support element like earth, only more focused towards snaring and running.
In PvE, their use is somewhat less... Deep freeze + Maelstrom can force mobs to spend quite some time to scatter, interrupting them as well. Ward v Harm isn't bad... nor is blurred vision.
Water is a good running skill too. It's kind of a support element like earth, only more focused towards snaring and running.
Poison Ivy
Slow em down, AoE them.
So Water is just to reduce the enemy's speed, interupting the enemy's intented movement.
So Water is just to reduce the enemy's speed, interupting the enemy's intented movement.
Silent Kitty
In places with lots of aggro, I rather see a good water ele than a nuker 
d3kst3r
Shard Storm, Water Trident, Blurred Vision... lots of warrior hate there. Sometimes it feels as though water eles are custom designed just to counter warriors.
thelessa
I switched from fire to water when I made it to the Fire Islands, helped alot.
Fred Kiwi
there was a water ele used in the te vs evil game, possibly the new crip rangers
Thock
Water eles are very useful in GvG. Deep Freeze is amazing to the point of almost being broken, Water Trident can cause crazy knockdowns, and Blured Vision helps mitigate War damage. Water Eles are great for catching kiters, helping your team kite, assisting with retreats, when pushing the enemy into base, or pushing for morale. They have an an unbeatable amount of utility on both offense and defense.
LifeInfusion
Like most of the elementalist lines, only a few skills are really good.
-Ward Aginst Harm (my favorite skill form Water Magic, +63 armor against Fire and +25 armor against everything else at 16 water)
-Deep Freeze (10 second snare)
-Water Trident (knockdown if moving)
-Maelstrom (only after they are slowed, 10 seconds interrupting spells)
-Blurred Vision (works on all attacks, 50% miss)
-Armor of Mist (+armor AND increased speed, the perfect running away from monsters skill)
-Mist Form (only good for farming, but take no damage from attacks)
-Rust (the only way to ensure ressurection signet takes 9 seconds. Healing signet takes 6. Better than ignorance for killing warriors, since they have -40Armor while using healing signet.)
-Mind Freeze (Why do you think runners have a hard time...90% slower)
Factions
-Mirror of Ice (good for preventing damage, while also killing the things attacking you)
-Icy Prism (Interrupt signets)
As you can see, Water is all about utility not damage. All the slowdowns work as GREAT cover hexes for your mesmers and necromancers, by the way . Rust is a good example of this.
-Ward Aginst Harm (my favorite skill form Water Magic, +63 armor against Fire and +25 armor against everything else at 16 water)
-Deep Freeze (10 second snare)
-Water Trident (knockdown if moving)
-Maelstrom (only after they are slowed, 10 seconds interrupting spells)
-Blurred Vision (works on all attacks, 50% miss)
-Armor of Mist (+armor AND increased speed, the perfect running away from monsters skill)
-Mist Form (only good for farming, but take no damage from attacks)
-Rust (the only way to ensure ressurection signet takes 9 seconds. Healing signet takes 6. Better than ignorance for killing warriors, since they have -40Armor while using healing signet.)
-Mind Freeze (Why do you think runners have a hard time...90% slower)
Factions
-Mirror of Ice (good for preventing damage, while also killing the things attacking you)
-Icy Prism (Interrupt signets)
As you can see, Water is all about utility not damage. All the slowdowns work as GREAT cover hexes for your mesmers and necromancers, by the way . Rust is a good example of this.
Fred Kiwi
everythig good has been summed up about water eles in this thread...were definately gonna see more of them in gvg i think
lyra_song
If you think water eles are pointless, you obviously have never been snared by an ice imp, and then maelstromed and then finished off by mursaat. XD
Ira Blinks
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Originally Posted by lyra_song
If you think water eles are pointless, you obviously have never been snared by an ice imp, and then maelstromed and then finished off by mursaat. XD
thats because ice imps come in packs of like 10. Thats the only thing that makes maelstorm useful... its aoe range is way too low. I tried it a few times in PvE - one step and mobs out of it, and snares make almost no difference
jackie
I use Water/Earth Hybrid to farm Titans in Hell's. Water - a must have for me 
Str0b0
Water magic has some impressive hexes too. A E/N with water and curses can put some massive debuffs on the enemy. Water makes for a good support character but not a very good damager.
Count to Potato
In GvG use it to slow them down, very useful to spiking to if u have mind freeze(90% slower) u cant run away from a spike, Maelstrom for necros tainter?
SnoopJeDi
Deep Freeze is one of the best AoE spells in the game, imo. I hate it.
Bleidd
Like Earth, its more of a finesse line. Until PvE is changed so that you can no longer brute-force your way through everything, Water and to a degree Earth are never going to be in much demand. And Elementalists aren't in much demand for PvE to begin with. Here's hoping PvE gets smarter in Factions.
Dawgboy
Hybrids work okay-I've never even tried a pure water ele. With the other elements that's possible, but there's not enough good water spells to fill up you skill bar. (PvE-wise).
It's hard enough to find a group when your'e a nuker-I'd hate to be trying to do a mission and spamming "water ele lfg" ! You'd be laughed out of town.
It's hard enough to find a group when your'e a nuker-I'd hate to be trying to do a mission and spamming "water ele lfg" ! You'd be laughed out of town.
fiery
Ele/Necro with deathly chill talk about permenant interruption.
M I D G E T S
Ward Vs Harm makes Ring of Fire much easier =)
LifeInfusion
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Originally Posted by M I D G E T S
Ward Vs Harm makes Ring of Fire much easier =)
I do concur. Ward against Elements helps too.
Note:Not only in Ring of Fire, but in Titan quests also.
Note:Not only in Ring of Fire, but in Titan quests also.
Ensign
Water elementalists are very strong in PvP, because movement becomes so valuable there. They aren't very useful in PvE, as movement really isn't an important part of the game there.
Peace,
-CxE
Peace,
-CxE
muelon
WE use a water ele as our flag runner in GVG.
With armor of frost and mist form you are unstoppable.
With ice prison you can slow down the enemy flag runner.
Actualy its allmost like cheating.
With armor of frost and mist form you are unstoppable.
With ice prison you can slow down the enemy flag runner.
Actualy its allmost like cheating.
9th Requiem
I run a water ele in PvE as well as PvP. I use curses from my necro secondary. The fact that almost all skills deal damage as well as applying a hex means that you can get some nice damage off soul barbs, and cover up any hex to the extent that even a full party of monks couldn't pull them all off in time. Also, Blurred Vision is bad enough against warriors, but when you drop Price of Failure too, they may as well not attack at all.
The main problem with Water is that it requires a sound team who know how to react to snares. Annoucing to your monk that you are casting ice spikes isn't going to help unless he/she knows that's the cue to move away from that warrior.
The main problem with Water is that it requires a sound team who know how to react to snares. Annoucing to your monk that you are casting ice spikes isn't going to help unless he/she knows that's the cue to move away from that warrior.
The Chimpster
And of course theres the classic mist form farming build :P
Pi_Numurian
Thanks for the replies now I know your not uselss