- 10k BE - Last sign of the Giants
- 1769 BE - Serpents arrive in Tyria (Forgottens)
- 205 BE - Humans arrive in Tyria
- 100 BE - Ascalon is founded
- 1 BE - Gods gives magic to races in Tyria
- 0 - Exodus
- 2 AE - Independance of Orr
- 174 AE - Serpents leave the world of men (retreat in Crystals desert)
- 221 AE - Cantha begins to trade with Tyria (YAY
) - 300 AE - Kryta becomes a colony
- 358 AE - Independance of Kryta
- 851 AE - Lord Ordan enter the Rift (Discovery of Hall of Heroes)
- 898 AE - Great Wall is Erected
- 1013 AE - Guild Wars begins
- 1070 AE - Charr Invaded the Humans Kingdoms (Destruction of Orr known as Cataclysm, Foundation of White Mantle by Saul D'Alessio)
- 1070 AE - Guilds Wars ends
- 1071 AE - Bay of Siren becomes Sea of Sorrow
- 1072 AE - Present day... in Pre-searing.
Third Lore Project - A final study of Tyria
Francis Demeules
Just to give some informations from the book.
The undead Mesmer
What happened between 358 and 851 because the timelane has a big skip there so something must have been happening during that time?
Something that never came to light something horrible something terrible!!!
(just a theory) But worth investigating annyway.
Something that never came to light something horrible something terrible!!!
(just a theory) But worth investigating annyway.
Gmr Leon
I guess nothing happened of great importance to the timeline inbetween 358 and 851. That or the people who made the timeline got lazy..
Richmuel
I would assume it was the 'Golden Age' where all colonies thrived, built up traded. The time of the Grand Alliances of Old with the dwarves that are spoken about during Borlis pass or the Frost Gate I believe. However towards the end of this period corruption, paranoia, break down in relations, greed, evil and want of power cause the alliances to break down, I'm guessing Ascalon seeing a threat builds the great wall just in time for the Guild Wars to break out.
treserious
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tyria is a continent, much like north america, and the shiverpeaks are a mountain chain that passes through it.
we are not seeing the north and south poles.
Canadian Bacon
Lol, was it necessary to quote the entire post just for that?
Ya, some people have mentioned that elevation causes the coldness already, stuff like that is most likely correct.
Ya, some people have mentioned that elevation causes the coldness already, stuff like that is most likely correct.
Canadian Bacon
Another wild but yet very plausible explanation for salty lakes in Kryta:
Kryta as a whole was once submerged under ocean waters. The more I look at the Krytan terrain, the more obvious it seems that water once covered the entire area. From the top-down view of the map we can see all of the high points, and snaking valleys that once served as islands, and the channels between them. Over time, or by some other event the water level receded, and the Krytan landscape emergened as we know it today. Giant's Basin is just a naturally lower area, so as land was uncovered all around it, that area still remains covered in salty ocean water.
Assuming that the above is true, how does this affect other aspects of Tyria/unsolved Tyrian Mysteries/things that are fun to speculate about?
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In response to myself, where were the people who decided that Giant's disappeared in 10k BE? Because if Kryta was once flooded, then these scientists/historians or whatever would have been located in eastern Tyria. *When Kryta became a tolerable living space, the last remaining Giant's may have staged a mass exodus out of eastern Tyria, and made an escape into Kryta. Fearing the Human migration that would no doubt be hot on their heels into the new lands, they retreated to the north, along the new land bridge seperating the 2 Giant's Basins.
OR, what if the Giant's didn't go East into Kryta, but rather they came in from the North, near the lakes? If you look at the map, there exists a gap in the mountain range surrounding Ascalon at the very norther-eastern most part. I always thought that gap was where the Charr first entered Ascalon, and immediately taking up residence in the Northlands. Now, I've got to thinking that if the Charr came in that way, then obviously it leads somewhere. We have proof that Giant's existed in Ascalon (see screenshot of bones in previous posts), so what if rather than make their exodus to Kryta, they left through that gap, (warning: extreme speculation follows) hooked left around the Shiverpeaks (we can see they seem to round off, as if coming to an end, on the Krytan side) and entered the freshly drained Kryta from the north, just above Giant's Basin?
In either of the above situations, I'd gues that the lakes were named for the Gaint's because many thousands of years later when humans made the trek over the Shiverpeaks into Kryta and began exploring, the bones of Tyria's last Gaint herd were found around the lakes.
Kryta as a whole was once submerged under ocean waters. The more I look at the Krytan terrain, the more obvious it seems that water once covered the entire area. From the top-down view of the map we can see all of the high points, and snaking valleys that once served as islands, and the channels between them. Over time, or by some other event the water level receded, and the Krytan landscape emergened as we know it today. Giant's Basin is just a naturally lower area, so as land was uncovered all around it, that area still remains covered in salty ocean water.
Assuming that the above is true, how does this affect other aspects of Tyria/unsolved Tyrian Mysteries/things that are fun to speculate about?
Edit:
In response to myself, where were the people who decided that Giant's disappeared in 10k BE? Because if Kryta was once flooded, then these scientists/historians or whatever would have been located in eastern Tyria. *When Kryta became a tolerable living space, the last remaining Giant's may have staged a mass exodus out of eastern Tyria, and made an escape into Kryta. Fearing the Human migration that would no doubt be hot on their heels into the new lands, they retreated to the north, along the new land bridge seperating the 2 Giant's Basins.
OR, what if the Giant's didn't go East into Kryta, but rather they came in from the North, near the lakes? If you look at the map, there exists a gap in the mountain range surrounding Ascalon at the very norther-eastern most part. I always thought that gap was where the Charr first entered Ascalon, and immediately taking up residence in the Northlands. Now, I've got to thinking that if the Charr came in that way, then obviously it leads somewhere. We have proof that Giant's existed in Ascalon (see screenshot of bones in previous posts), so what if rather than make their exodus to Kryta, they left through that gap, (warning: extreme speculation follows) hooked left around the Shiverpeaks (we can see they seem to round off, as if coming to an end, on the Krytan side) and entered the freshly drained Kryta from the north, just above Giant's Basin?
In either of the above situations, I'd gues that the lakes were named for the Gaint's because many thousands of years later when humans made the trek over the Shiverpeaks into Kryta and began exploring, the bones of Tyria's last Gaint herd were found around the lakes.
Canadian Bacon
Here's another bit of awkward geography:
In pre-sear, the cliffy thing overlooking Devona and Pitney in Ashford has water running down in sort of a trying-to-be-a-waterfall-but-can't-quite-do-it sort of way. As far as I can tell, this water has no source other than straight up from the ground. It isn't connect to that river as far as I can tell, and even if it was, how ould it flow uphill? Anyone have thoughts on this?
In pre-sear, the cliffy thing overlooking Devona and Pitney in Ashford has water running down in sort of a trying-to-be-a-waterfall-but-can't-quite-do-it sort of way. As far as I can tell, this water has no source other than straight up from the ground. It isn't connect to that river as far as I can tell, and even if it was, how ould it flow uphill? Anyone have thoughts on this?
kryshnysh
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What happened between 358 and 851 because the timelane has a big skip there so something must have been happening during that time?
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http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Beacon's_Perch
"Named for the legendary Dwarven warrior who single-handedly held off the great Hill Giant invasion of 534 A.E., Beacon's Perch runs north and south through the Shiverpeak Mountains. Today, this treacherous pass is patrolled by the Stone Summit, and as such is considered hostile to human travelers."
Pass = Lornar's (I presume)
Lord Runner I
Ok ok, now i have a question about what happened to what towns... I know that Ashford Abbey(Presearing) became Sardelec Sanitarium, Fort Ranik stayed the same, but whatever happened to Barradin's Estate and Fobile's Fair?
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Ok ok, now i have a question about what happened to what towns... I know that Ashford Abbey(Presearing) became Sardelec Sanitarium, Fort Ranik stayed the same, but whatever happened to Barradin's Estate and Fobile's Fair?
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Very simple,you know that area south of the entrance of the Breach? There are signs of ruins from what used to what seemed to be Barradin's estate's irrigation system. You mentioned Foible's Fair,good question,but you must also wonder this. What happened to that small mountain near it?
I would post a pic,but no one has told me of the host that allows me to post a nearly full pic. >_>
anubis_master
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As for barriden estate probibly rubble by a direct hit from the searing. mabey not but im to lazy to go find out for my self.
Moon-Gel
this is kind of a way of theory, but what if the cataclysm of orr sent off shock waves (as u said), suck the islands and caused the water lvl to rise.
what i am getting at here, if possibly this game has the same atmosphere as we do here on earth, this would have caused an ice age, thus causing the shiver peaks to be covered in snow. also a change like this in the water currents would also change the air currents? (not too sure bout that)
this topic is completely random, just hope maybe you can build off this :/
what i am getting at here, if possibly this game has the same atmosphere as we do here on earth, this would have caused an ice age, thus causing the shiver peaks to be covered in snow. also a change like this in the water currents would also change the air currents? (not too sure bout that)
this topic is completely random, just hope maybe you can build off this :/
Gmr Leon
Interesting concept Moon,I had forgotten the fact that an explosion's ash and etc. blocking out the sun could have set forth an Ice Age of sorts.
saneo
i had gotten the feeling that the shiverpeaks were always snowy
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Ok ok, now i have a question about what happened to what towns... I know that Ashford Abbey(Presearing) became Sardelec Sanitarium, Fort Ranik stayed the same, but whatever happened to Barradin's Estate and Fobile's Fair?
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Francis Demeules
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well towns might have been renamed after becomeing ghost towns after the seering.
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Another thing I thought: Is Hall of Heroes the heart of the world? I mean, HoH have doors to go to many place linked with others continents. I dont want to say if HoH is destroyed, the world will complety disappear.
In all, a Core to link with the worlds.
Canadian Bacon
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Renamed or totally destroyed and forgot the name after that.
Another thing I thought: Is Hall of Heroes the heart of the world? I mean, HoH have doors to go to many place linked with others continents. I dont want to say if HoH is destroyed, the world will complety disappear. In all, a Core to link with the worlds. |
Think of it like a spider's web. The outer parts of the web are the continents, and the middle, where the threads are densely packed, is the central hub like HoH. Now imagine you throw a rock at the web, and score a bull's eye. Although the centre is gone, the outer pieces of the web remain standing.
However, it may be connected to all of the world, and be like a "since we own the halls, we own the whole world" thing or sumething. But, what was it before Ordan opened it up? There wouldn't have been combat going on, so what was it's purpose?
anubis_master
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Think of it like a spider's web. The outer parts of the web are the continents, and the middle, where the threads are densely packed, is the central hub like HoH. Now imagine you throw a rock at the web, and score a bull's eye. Although the centre is gone, the outer pieces of the web remain standing
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Gmr Leon
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But, what was it before Odran opened it up? There wouldn't have been combat going on, so what was it's purpose?
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Francis Demeules
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Think of it like a spider's web. The outer parts of the web are the continents, and the middle, where the threads are densely packed, is the central hub like HoH. Now imagine you throw a rock at the web, and score a bull's eye. Although the centre is gone, the outer pieces of the web remain standing.
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anubis_master
Earlyer somone asked about the stones at grenditch courthouse. well there not stones at all. If you look closely at them there made of metal. now befor you say "stfu there stones, iv thought they were stones ever scince i was a little nooblet and thats the way they are.". Look at the top. inside there id fire buring in them whitch means they are holow. if it was stonr it woulnt be able to holowed out that perfetly by ancent craftsmen have a fire burn insde and have it still standing.
Warcheif_Jonval
Ive got an idea on how the boats in Scoundrels rise, the tarnished state of the tarnished coast, and the current activity in the Ring of Fire....
Orr, as we know, was an equal in might to the other 2 kingdoms, and the cataclysim obliterated the entire kingdom. How could an explosion so large and powerful that it turned a peninsula into a sea have so little visual effect on everything else? simple, were looking on too small of a scale.
The explosion did a number on the turrain directly east of the crater, it has very visual ripples in it still, one year after the fact. The explosion could have been so violent that it not only scorched the southern edge of Magguma but tilted the entire Krytan plate so that kryta its self had more land revieled.
Now, onto the utter ruination of Ascalon by a few crytaline missles!
Look at the Impact Crater in Pockmark flats. stand in it. It looks like a nuke was dropped in that area, the landscape is smooth, the buildings in it leveled compleately, and the soil directly near it was liquified (as seen by the tar pit the missle still sits in. It cant rain there anymore, there is no water to drop on it.) The explosion from the impact of that probobly set most of Ascalon on fire. That combined with the Charr's worshop of fire, probobly gave the Searing its name.
Now, the rocky ridges, cliffs and overhangs orrigionaly not there were probobly casued by the missle in Impact Crater. The best example of these cliffs is where Barradin's old estate was. Its smoothed a bit since the searing, but the land still was quite a bit flatter back then. (the point im reffering too is south of where you do the first warrior quest in presear)
Orr, as we know, was an equal in might to the other 2 kingdoms, and the cataclysim obliterated the entire kingdom. How could an explosion so large and powerful that it turned a peninsula into a sea have so little visual effect on everything else? simple, were looking on too small of a scale.
The explosion did a number on the turrain directly east of the crater, it has very visual ripples in it still, one year after the fact. The explosion could have been so violent that it not only scorched the southern edge of Magguma but tilted the entire Krytan plate so that kryta its self had more land revieled.
Now, onto the utter ruination of Ascalon by a few crytaline missles!
Look at the Impact Crater in Pockmark flats. stand in it. It looks like a nuke was dropped in that area, the landscape is smooth, the buildings in it leveled compleately, and the soil directly near it was liquified (as seen by the tar pit the missle still sits in. It cant rain there anymore, there is no water to drop on it.) The explosion from the impact of that probobly set most of Ascalon on fire. That combined with the Charr's worshop of fire, probobly gave the Searing its name.
Now, the rocky ridges, cliffs and overhangs orrigionaly not there were probobly casued by the missle in Impact Crater. The best example of these cliffs is where Barradin's old estate was. Its smoothed a bit since the searing, but the land still was quite a bit flatter back then. (the point im reffering too is south of where you do the first warrior quest in presear)
Canadian Bacon
Warchief, I think those sound good. I had always imagined the Ascalon crystals to be bombs that make one explosion and thats it, but you could be right with the theory that they were rather more like nukes: huge inital blast radius, plus tremedous heat radiating from the blast site. That explains why all of Ascalon in burnt and not just the impact zones.
Gmr Leon
Not able to rain there. That seems a bit incorrect because as long as there is water in an area it can evaporate,condense,and rain. We see that there is water still around Fort Ranik so it can go through the whole water cycle and rain.
Though the fact that most of the water became tar kind of puts that down because there has to be water for there to be rain. Then again we have to remember Stormcaller,what if in fact,it's like a double-edged sword. It can be used as a weapon against the Charr and to make the land fertile once more.
Also,I don't quite understand why they don't just take the crystal meteorites and forge them into powerful weapons. You know,mine them like they mine the metals that created the weapons and armor they use today. After 2 years you would think they might have thought of that. Use your enemies weapon against them in the form of stronger armor and weapons.
Though the fact that most of the water became tar kind of puts that down because there has to be water for there to be rain. Then again we have to remember Stormcaller,what if in fact,it's like a double-edged sword. It can be used as a weapon against the Charr and to make the land fertile once more.
Also,I don't quite understand why they don't just take the crystal meteorites and forge them into powerful weapons. You know,mine them like they mine the metals that created the weapons and armor they use today. After 2 years you would think they might have thought of that. Use your enemies weapon against them in the form of stronger armor and weapons.
Francis Demeules
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Also,I don't quite understand why they don't just take the crystal meteorites and forge them into powerful weapons. You know,mine them like they mine the metals that created the weapons and armor they use today. After 2 years you would think they might have thought of that. Use your enemies weapon against them in the form of stronger armor and weapons.
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Gmr Leon
How can you be so sure they hold energy though? We see only some of them have lightning coming out from them and the rest seem to be just letting out light that causes plants to start growing again.
Francis Demeules
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How can you be so sure they hold energy though? We see only some of them have lightning coming out from them and the rest seem to be just letting out light that causes plants to start growing again.
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2nd) You answered by yourself about lightning that show Crystals have an energy potential in it. those which they show lightning mean they're at a high energy intensity. Majority of them cant show it. But I still say these crystals emerge an energy, maybe not stronger than others, which it can be deadly.
And for plants. I dont like these plants growing in a wasteland anyway. Dark and small..... maybe good thing, maybe not. We can say easly:"plants grow at Ascalon and the ground is fertile". I can say, it likes high reach in Maguuma Jungle: Only hardy plants can survive. Same thing here. It will take a long time before the ground becomes fertile again.
Like I said before, I just a thought. We can say other things which its relative about this crystals and more but this is what I thought for now.
I was thinking about reason during the Searing (Kinder stupid but anyway), but I will tell it later, in the morning perhaps or afternoon.
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How can you be so sure they hold energy though? We see only some of them have lightning coming out from them and the rest seem to be just letting out light that causes plants to start growing again.
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Son of Urza
His point was that the lightning was coming FROM the crystals, not simply striking them. The energy needed to create a static arc is large indeed.
Gmr Leon
Yes,I do know that lightning strikes the tallest object in an area. Though,you don't see any lightning strike them like Urza pointed out. In my opinion the Ascalonians should study those crystals more intently than just what brought their kingdom down. I would still like to see them use Stormcaller to make the land fertile once more,but like Francis pointed out,maybe only the hardy plants would survive.
Ok,thanks to wikipedia I now know a bit more about tar. Tar is a viscous black liquid derived from the destructive distillation of organic matter. Now what's interesting is,the Ascalonians could use the tar that replaces they're rivers and lakes to fix up some of their buildings. Tar was a vital component of the first sealed, or "tarmac", roads. It was also used as seal for roofing shingles and to seal the hulls of ships and boats.
Though why they haven't tried to rebuild still confounds me.
Ok,thanks to wikipedia I now know a bit more about tar. Tar is a viscous black liquid derived from the destructive distillation of organic matter. Now what's interesting is,the Ascalonians could use the tar that replaces they're rivers and lakes to fix up some of their buildings. Tar was a vital component of the first sealed, or "tarmac", roads. It was also used as seal for roofing shingles and to seal the hulls of ships and boats.
Though why they haven't tried to rebuild still confounds me.
Francis Demeules
Someone pointed the Crystals looks the same in Crystal Desert. If so, is it the Charr who created this falling crystals in the sky? Everybody can thinking about the Charr did this. Rather stupid on this one but, I think..... The Cataclysm happened at the same time with Pre-searing. I mean, it wont take a day to go to Orr from Ascalon. Maybe they got a war in Crystal desert and for the final decision, Khilbron destroyed Orr and Crystals fell apart in the world of Tyria at the impact of the explosion and shockwave: Pre-Searing at Ascalon, the magical water of Maguuma Jungle, etc.
anubis_master
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Someone pointed the Crystals looks the same in Crystal Desert. If so, is it the Charr who created this falling crystals in the sky? Everybody can thinking about the Charr did this. Rather stupid on this one but, I think..... The Cataclysm happened at the same time with Pre-searing. I mean, it wont take a day to go to Orr from Ascalon. Maybe they got a war in Crystal desert and for the final decision, Khilbron destroyed Orr and Crystals fell apart in the world of Tyria at the impact of the explosion and shockwave: Pre-Searing at Ascalon, the magical water of Maguuma Jungle, etc.
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In this thread might explane it. read about how posibly the lich may have givin the charr the magic to creat the searing. http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3003327.
Moon-Gel
i was walking round the world when i ran into these 2 peculiar "thingies"
-i found the tree house while walking around in silver wood
-the pic of bal ( i suppose) i found while exploring the pockmark Flats.
these struck me as odd, and just wanted to see if anyone had some insight.
-i found the tree house while walking around in silver wood
-the pic of bal ( i suppose) i found while exploring the pockmark Flats.
these struck me as odd, and just wanted to see if anyone had some insight.
Gmr Leon
1st,those treehouses are all over the place in the Maguuma Jungle. 2nd,that was once a temple to those who praise Balthazar.
Moon-Gel
i know that, my point is, why are the tree houses there?
and what temple was that? (town, city...)
and what temple was that? (town, city...)
Gmr Leon
They seem to be the druids homes either that or the Shining Blades' homes. Not really sure what town that may have been,but remember it doesn't tell us every town that existed in Pre-Searing.
anubis_master
the druids are long gone, just some of there spirits are left romming tyria so if they were druid homes they would be covered in growth by now.