Where are the Koreans?
Big_Iron
I looked at the new Guild Ladder and saw only one, maybe two, Korean teams in the top 40. I was shocked. There were more Japnasese teams than Korean.
sh4ft3d
I noticed that,and also the lck of koreans controlling favor... Mabe they've movedon to a new game.Ormaybe theyare busy studying factions skills and thinking of builds.
Lexar
I think most of them are in Korea.
Ok lame but it's so lame it's almost funny, right?
Ok lame but it's so lame it's almost funny, right?
fiery
Um most of the high ranked korean guilds move to america and europe and got picked up into those regions high guilds.
Yanman.be
um...
whenever there is a new MMO released, all koreans sell their ingame items and cash on ebay or something, and then buy the new MMO game with that.
So only die-hard PvP'ers are leftover..WM e.g.
whenever there is a new MMO released, all koreans sell their ingame items and cash on ebay or something, and then buy the new MMO game with that.
So only die-hard PvP'ers are leftover..WM e.g.
hellprowler
There weren't many Koreans to begin with. Guild Wars didn't take off well in Korea, I heard the reports were like 28,000 copies sold (granted, some people bought GW before it was released in Korea, and others elected to pay for a time based account, so those numbers are a little off, but it still won't be that high). Of course those numbers keep dwindling, and we only have a few hardcore Korean guilds left. NCSoft has been doing EVERYTHING possible to get more people to join Guild Wars, like they are doing a new event where Korean people can try Guild Wars prophecies and Factions (when it comes out in NA/EU) free of charge till Factions releases for Korea (it releases for them later).
Huntmaster
Yeah, last time i checked, there were only like 23 korean guilds..
Misa
Ladder resetted around midnight last night O_o
ghostlyranger
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um...
whenever there is a new MMO released, all koreans sell their ingame items and cash on ebay or something, and then buy the new MMO game with that. So only die-hard PvP'ers are leftover..WM e.g. |
Chilly Ress
I think its partly due to the fact that the ladder was JUSt reset and also because, as said, GW didnt too well in Korea. However, give it a few weeks and there will be man more top korean guilds, ~12+ in top 40.
Kerrick??
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Originally Posted by ghostlyranger
can ppl like u pls stop this "all koreans" and "ebay" shit
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Haggard
Its not just us.. ever seen that Bugs Bunny cartoon the US government financed in WW2 to raise support for the war in japan? I've never seen such officially-supported racism..
Griff Mon
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Its not just us.. ever seen that Bugs Bunny cartoon the US government financed in WW2 to raise support for the war in japan? I've never seen such officially-supported racism..
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Aejorii
Because they're not dumb. They're waiting for all the sucky teams to get up in the low ranks so when they come and beat them, they'll get more rating points.
Edit: also, letting the ladder settle would be good too. can't have a really high ranked, but good team beat them right off the bat now could we?
Edit: also, letting the ladder settle would be good too. can't have a really high ranked, but good team beat them right off the bat now could we?
Yanman.be
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Originally Posted by ghostlyranger
can ppl like u pls stop this "all koreans" and "ebay" shit
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...I'm always sarcastic....but trust me, there are people who do that.
twicky_kid
The server switch is the reason you don't see many korean guilds.
They have jumped to the american and euro servers. Why fight a 3 way battle when you can join the other side to make it a 2 way. Instead of a 1/3 chance you have favor there is a 50/50.
The favor system was completely underminded by the server switches. I made a post about this when it was introduced warning this would happen. 10 months later looks like I was right.
They have jumped to the american and euro servers. Why fight a 3 way battle when you can join the other side to make it a 2 way. Instead of a 1/3 chance you have favor there is a 50/50.
The favor system was completely underminded by the server switches. I made a post about this when it was introduced warning this would happen. 10 months later looks like I was right.
banishd
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Originally Posted by twicky_kid
The server switch is the reason you don't see many korean guilds.
They have jumped to the american and euro servers. Why fight a 3 way battle when you can join the other side to make it a 2 way. Instead of a 1/3 chance you have favor there is a 50/50. The favor system was completely underminded by the server switches. I made a post about this when it was introduced warning this would happen. 10 months later looks like I was right. |
So that proves your Theory Wrong.
So the only way for a korean to play on the american/euro servers is to buy a copy from outside of korea,
the main thing is
Guild wars is dead in korea . theres probably 2 people in Lions arch during prime time, around 20 in hoh, and a few more gvging.
Mustache Mayhem
it's oblivion.. the game owns and there's tons of people playing it right now- it'll pick back up in factions- I already beat the game so I'll be comming back soon =]
hellprowler
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it's oblivion.. the game owns and there's tons of people playing it right now- it'll pick back up in factions- I already beat the game so I'll be comming back soon =]
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Ensign
The reason, according to the War Machine guys, is that the game was atrociously advertised over there. The 'no monthly fee' part didn't apply because the game was pay to play over there, and it was largely sold as a PvE game, not a PvP game. South Korea is saturated in pay to play, PvE MMOs and Lineage 2 is already the game of choice, so most people really weren't interested. The players who already recognized it as a good PvP game got in, obviously, but the mass market was never told why it was different so the game flopped.
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awesome sauce
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/.../2119rank.html
Theres why GW didn't sell too well in Korea... it's not that big of a country. Most European countries are larger than that, and their all united under one server. That's why I say they should unite all Asian territories to form 1 server.
Of course, this is assuming GW wasn't sold in north Korea:
Hehe
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21 Thailand 64,631,595 July 2006 est. 22 Congo, Democratic Republic of the 62,660,551 July 2006 est. 23 France 60,876,136 July 2006 est. 24 United Kingdom 60,609,153 July 2006 est. 25 Italy 58,133,509 July 2006 est. 26 Korea, South 48,846,823 July 2006 est. 27 Burma 47,382,633 July 2006 est. |
Of course, this is assuming GW wasn't sold in north Korea:
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jackie
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Originally Posted by hellprowler
There weren't many Koreans to begin with. Guild Wars didn't take off well in Korea, I heard the reports were like 28,000 copies sold (granted, some people bought GW before it was released in Korea, and others elected to pay for a time based account, so those numbers are a little off, but it still won't be that high). Of course those numbers keep dwindling, and we only have a few hardcore Korean guilds left. NCSoft has been doing EVERYTHING possible to get more people to join Guild Wars, like they are doing a new event where Korean people can try Guild Wars prophecies and Factions (when it comes out in NA/EU) free of charge till Factions releases for Korea (it releases for them later).
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I don't know where these figures come from but I've heard quite opposite from some of my best Korean friends. At least they say Guild Wars is hanging pretty good considering Lineage 2 and couple other MMO's (some not released outside Asia) have 'conquered' that land
..It's true yeah that Korea hasn't got a lot of Favour lately but it's more like a Seasonal thing. First Korea held favour like no other, then it was America's turn and finally EU, next Japan&Taiwan players want to go UW/FoW even more and that will have impact to their PvP side. Players take break from PvP and move to some other game or get back their long lost social life and come back later to start fresh or continue with old chars. I mean that's the best thing in Guild Wars. You can put it back on the bookshelf and pick it up later.
Concept of subscription free game is behaving like this. You don't have a feeling that omg i have to play 10 more hours so that I use that Subs Fee totally. So you're free to move on to next game and come back when next chapter comes. And I think this "Where are the Koreans" has a lot to do with this.
I just can't believe this game hasn't sold well in Korea. Look just how much Korean players have achieved in the past year.
SAQ
I agree, I don't think GW Asia in general has done a good job in their advertisement of GW.. for Taiwan, a lot of things were done really bad.
Off topic... GW advertising in was appalling in Taiwan, we had the no-monthly fee option but instead the pay-to-play was advertised heavily!! That's just bad advertising.. and right now, you can easily pick up pay-to-play GW boxes off convinient store shelves, whereas the no-monthly fee packages are only available off internet (pay over internet).
Luckily with Factions coming out, you can soon buy no-monthly fee package at the stores again.. but it will soon move over to pay over internet AGAIN.
No advertising on Factions, and it's 1 week prior release.. gg GW:Taiwan..
Off topic... GW advertising in was appalling in Taiwan, we had the no-monthly fee option but instead the pay-to-play was advertised heavily!! That's just bad advertising.. and right now, you can easily pick up pay-to-play GW boxes off convinient store shelves, whereas the no-monthly fee packages are only available off internet (pay over internet).
Luckily with Factions coming out, you can soon buy no-monthly fee package at the stores again.. but it will soon move over to pay over internet AGAIN.
No advertising on Factions, and it's 1 week prior release.. gg GW:Taiwan..
heist23
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Originally Posted by awesome sauce
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/.../2119rank.html
Theres why GW didn't sell too well in Korea... it's not that big of a country. Most European countries are larger than that, and their all united under one server. That's why I say they should unite all Asian territories to form 1 server. |
but, making an "Asian" language-based server would probably be a good idea. one section for Korean speakers, one section for Japanese speakers, and different sections for the different versions of Chinese out there.
probably wishful thinking.
Laibeus Lord
1) GW didn't do well in Korea.
2) Also, Asians are known to try every new "free" game in the market which westerners call "free loaders".
3) Casual games are the "in" thing here in Asia now.
4) Korean-specific, they're beginning to enjoy RPG type Online Games (read Richard Garriott interviews since he left Origins to present).
5) GW isn't in the Top 5 online games and Top 10 (general/all) games in Korea (for the past 6 months) in 'most' game ranking services and sites in the country.
Finally, Koreans are, being Asians, are into Korean made products than "Western", yes, nationalism is very high here in Asia-Pacific. ^_^
2) Also, Asians are known to try every new "free" game in the market which westerners call "free loaders".
3) Casual games are the "in" thing here in Asia now.
4) Korean-specific, they're beginning to enjoy RPG type Online Games (read Richard Garriott interviews since he left Origins to present).
5) GW isn't in the Top 5 online games and Top 10 (general/all) games in Korea (for the past 6 months) in 'most' game ranking services and sites in the country.
Finally, Koreans are, being Asians, are into Korean made products than "Western", yes, nationalism is very high here in Asia-Pacific. ^_^
Phaern Majes
I think what happened was all the Japanese and Taiwan players were put into Korea. Then when they got their own districts they moved out.
Thallandor
Most of them (south Koreans)probably went back to Lineage 2, i heard a new chronicle was release not too long ago... there you have it.
SAQ
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I think what happened was all the Japanese and Taiwan players were put into Korea. Then when they got their own districts they moved out.
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d4nowar
Same thing happened with the last ladder reset. Evil and WM weren't on it for maybe the first week, then they decided to dominate... Oh yeah... Look where they are now...
Start worrying in a week.
Start worrying in a week.
Former Ruling
Not just WM and Last Prides rank, Its the general craziness of the first week of the ladder.
te is rank 90.2 korean guilds in there. and like 12 japanese guilds in there. theres even one chi/tai guild in top 100
te is rank 90.2 korean guilds in there. and like 12 japanese guilds in there. theres even one chi/tai guild in top 100
JiggyFly
Well even here the only thigns advertised about Guild Wars was "FREE TO PLAY, No grinding, mpking, will revolutionize MMORPGS" and taking into account what Ensign added, it's pretty clear why there's not alot of Korean players.
Add a monthly fee, and advertise it as an MMORPG and not a PvP heavy game and what do you have? A very weak PvE experience compared to games like FFXI, Lineage II, WoW, EQII etc.
Mind you not all of those are big in Korea, but if Guilds Wars was pay to play I can think of probably 10 other MMORPGS I'd rather be playing, especially if I had no clue there was even any PvP in Guild Wars. Not to mention that without a continuous stream fo expansions and new content, many players will simply leave and go on to something else Koreans/Americans/Europeans alike.
Add a monthly fee, and advertise it as an MMORPG and not a PvP heavy game and what do you have? A very weak PvE experience compared to games like FFXI, Lineage II, WoW, EQII etc.
Mind you not all of those are big in Korea, but if Guilds Wars was pay to play I can think of probably 10 other MMORPGS I'd rather be playing, especially if I had no clue there was even any PvP in Guild Wars. Not to mention that without a continuous stream fo expansions and new content, many players will simply leave and go on to something else Koreans/Americans/Europeans alike.
Count to Potato
Its alaways liike that, thye wait like one week, two weeks, and then BAM they hit you and get into the top ten in two days