Lol and they're 55 monks. An ele is sooo much more efficient at farming Elona.
/taunts n00b botters
Farm-Bot Invasion at Elona Reach International Dis1
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Matsumi
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Originally Posted by Wessels
Do you have the slightest idea who these people ( yes: people ) are ??
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jciardha
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Originally Posted by Exoudeous
they are all over the normal districts too
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There goes my charity if that goes to pot.
remmeh
haha that toa screenie (p1) is golden.
Nivryx
thats so wierd....i was just farming elonas today with my ranger and noticed that there were a bunch of monks just standing at the merchant.....i suppose its human nature to take something great and try to ruin it (not talking about elona farming specifically, but refering to guildwars as 'something great')
God Apprentice
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Originally Posted by Wessels
I'm pretty much fed up with comments like these . Do you comprehend why these pro-farmers are there???? Did you all ever stop and think
why gold is being sold on the net ??? Do you have the slightest idea who these people ( yes: people ) are ?? i suggest you read this article : http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/12/...ess/gaming.php in full. he only reason these people are there is that it is their job . They gather gold for those of us purchasing that gold from the sites . If there wasn't a demand to purchase gw-gold those folks wouldn't be there in the first place ( or at droknar , augury etc. ) . If you read that article you can also see what they themselves earn doing this : a measly US$250 /month . |
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Originally Posted by Wessels
Next question is : why do people want to purchase gold in the first place ??? I have yet to see anyone addressing this very basic question . Let's see :
- A-net introduced über-items ( greens ) and FoW armor to have some kind of "top -of- the game " rewards for dedicated players . However ( and here's the reason gold is being sold ) : there is no accomplishment involved at all in acquiring these items . The only way to get your hands on FoW-armor or on some rare green is to farm those areas pretty much constantly ( no skill involved : going in- and - out all the time using same builds all the time ) to get "lucky" . This prevents people who play the game normally from ever getting their hands on those items .People who do normal questing, helping guildies etc. will never get FoW-armor because they don't farm constantly to get the materials or gold . |
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Originally Posted by Wessels
And this regardless of how much they have played , skillpoints,xp etc.
They are being "penalized" for playing normally . Those items are available only to those who: - do nothing but farm ( the distinction between these people and bot-farmers is very hard to make , only difference is they don't get paid for it and they don't offer it on the net ) -are so disgusted in the end they decide to purchase gold of the net . |
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Originally Posted by Wessels
Check out deldrimor war camp local chat ( or TOA local chat ) , these places are filled with pro-farmers , and again: because they don't sell it for real cash on the net we accept it .Try getting someone to do an actual quest in those places !
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Originally Posted by Wessels
If I ever see someone trying to "block" exits at droknar or any other place I'll pretty much tell him/her what I think of that in local chat .Those farmers are doing their job in ensuring a supply of glod because there is a demand for it .No demand = no need for pro-farmers .
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Originally Posted by Wessels
The only way this can be remedied is to totally rethink the meaning of "accomplishment " .Would A-net care to explain to me what's so great ( in terms of skill , great playing etc. ) about going into UW/FoW time and time again , with exact same builds , not for doing quests but to harvest and farm ???
They have stated repeatedly they don't condone people soloing any area ( UW was prime example ) but at the same time they ensure the only way to amass materials or gold for FoW armor is to do exactly that. |
Its your money you bought the game. If you want to go and farm and get FoW armor good for you that is your accomplishment, if you dont want to and instead want to quest and beat the games story taht can be an accomplishment for you. Or perhaps learning a run youve never done. Please dont try to justify that the jobs of these bot farmers are a good thing. They are violating the EULA and cause ANet grief having to hunt them down
GloryFox
I found a way to spot some BOTs in TOA (many of you know this). If you invite a Monk Mo/x and walk outside they will immediately begin running their BOT program and start 55 monking the monsters outside. (No normal player will do this with a group from TOA) Also they will not respond to any chat questions whatsoever, so if you speak to them and ask questions they will not return with answers. Personally I am beginning to write down names and sending the information with screen shots to Anet. This BOT issue has to STOP. I earned my 15k armor and can’t stand it when people who farm less than me start getting fissure armor and the best items in the because they can afford it. No offense to people to make money ligit in the game.
Nater
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Originally Posted by Stockholm
They make them, anywhere on the internet today you have chines hackers trying to get in to computers. I sat one day and traced the IP's that pingd my computer and 84 % where traced to china. China has the highest % of hackers vs. users today so making a couple of bot's is no problem.
The bot's you download is full of keyloggers, yes they steal your account and resell it or trancefer your possesions to some1 else and delete your characters, and you can do nothing since you where trying to run a bot. For the chines it's big bussines to run bot's and sell the gold on ebay, it brings real dollars in to the chines economy and gives ppl a job. |
lyra_song
Why bot farming in GW isnt as bad as other games: Instanced Zones
You cant get KS, or even PK by a bot farmer. They cant camp a specific bad guy, and deny you of an item.
Imagine if Guild Wars wasnt running isntanced zones...
You cant get KS, or even PK by a bot farmer. They cant camp a specific bad guy, and deny you of an item.
Imagine if Guild Wars wasnt running isntanced zones...
eternal pho
ok first off u guys, who the Hell cares about bots( theyre not doing any of us harm ) they dont affect your drop rate
and btw not all of them r bots...
and btw not all of them r bots...
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ok first off u guys, who the Hell cares about bots( theyre not doing any of us harm ) they dont affect your drop rate
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For sure bots are everybody's friends. I always hang out with couple of them and chat in some peaceful place like Maguuma Stade. And the best is that they give free upgrade items for everyone in Droknar's Forge!
Nivryx
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ok first off u guys, who the Hell cares about bots( theyre not doing any of us harm ) they dont affect your drop rate
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uberstu
it's kinda weird so many bots moved to elona. i still cant figure out how they can continue to run so many bots without fear of having the account closed and losing the cost of the account. really, can't anet see all these obvious bots? there is NO WAY they are human-control... at least not the mass of monks i saw.
Phoenix Ex
Its probably because there ARE humans watching the bots, and ANet can't really prove anything unless they msg the bot and get no response but keep moving at the same time.
But seriously, if ANET didn't nerf every way to acquire good money in the game , there would not be a need for those bots anyways. Not to mention the TRUE filthy rich people are those created by ANet's stupid HOD sword removal(but not entirely), rune traders reset, rockmolder nerf, FFS nerf...etc etc. Those who are lucky enough to mass stock on those items before anet removed them probably have 10millions+ gold, why aren't those ppl being blamed for inflation?
No, I don't support bots, but its annoying how people keep ranting about bots but don't care about the reason for them in the first place.
But seriously, if ANET didn't nerf every way to acquire good money in the game , there would not be a need for those bots anyways. Not to mention the TRUE filthy rich people are those created by ANet's stupid HOD sword removal(but not entirely), rune traders reset, rockmolder nerf, FFS nerf...etc etc. Those who are lucky enough to mass stock on those items before anet removed them probably have 10millions+ gold, why aren't those ppl being blamed for inflation?
No, I don't support bots, but its annoying how people keep ranting about bots but don't care about the reason for them in the first place.
Fay Vert
ANet could stop it in 5 seconds without needing to nerf any area. You don't need proof it's obvious to anyone that takes the trouble to go there and look.
natuxatu
Sorry I had to create an account just to post the obvious. Bots aren't okay and a slap in the face to people who play it the right way. There is no excuse for them even if they don't effect me. That being said I'm going to go check it out for myself heh and yeah that screen shot was funny... and as the poster above said it looks extremely obvious.
Canadian Bacon
Wessels,
this thread is about BOTS not SWEATSHOPS. Yous eem to have the 2 confused.
I have no problem with "pro farmers" as long as they are real people. Sweatshops do suck though. Something could be done about that.
I speak for myself here, but i suspect there are others with me on this: as a casual gamer who doesn't enjoy farming in the least, I have absolutely 0 interest in obtaining FoW armor. None at all. The thought hardly crosse smy mind. As for greens, in my opinion green items were introduced to drive in-game prices down by introducing a max stats item that can be easily obtained. Since poeple farm them endlessly, the market becomes flooded, and that green's price drops (along with a gold or purple item of the same stats). All of a sudden, the casual non-farmer like me can pop into any populated area and offer to buy his desired green. In most cases, the green can be bought and equipped before lunchtime.
Having the best items isn't necessary to be good at GW, PvE or PvP. If people choose to by gold over the net, it is because they choose to take the lazy way (opening their wallet rather than opening up the head of a dwarf with an axe), not because they are "disgusted".
this thread is about BOTS not SWEATSHOPS. Yous eem to have the 2 confused.
I have no problem with "pro farmers" as long as they are real people. Sweatshops do suck though. Something could be done about that.
I speak for myself here, but i suspect there are others with me on this: as a casual gamer who doesn't enjoy farming in the least, I have absolutely 0 interest in obtaining FoW armor. None at all. The thought hardly crosse smy mind. As for greens, in my opinion green items were introduced to drive in-game prices down by introducing a max stats item that can be easily obtained. Since poeple farm them endlessly, the market becomes flooded, and that green's price drops (along with a gold or purple item of the same stats). All of a sudden, the casual non-farmer like me can pop into any populated area and offer to buy his desired green. In most cases, the green can be bought and equipped before lunchtime.
Having the best items isn't necessary to be good at GW, PvE or PvP. If people choose to by gold over the net, it is because they choose to take the lazy way (opening their wallet rather than opening up the head of a dwarf with an axe), not because they are "disgusted".
ArianeB
I wonder if you could hack the bots? i.e. find a way to get on a team with one of them and then leech?
Probably not. My guess though is that eventually it will get nerfed the same way griffon farming got nerfed.
Watch for a new named minotaur boss with "devastating hammer" coming to an Elona Reach district near you.
Probably not. My guess though is that eventually it will get nerfed the same way griffon farming got nerfed.
Watch for a new named minotaur boss with "devastating hammer" coming to an Elona Reach district near you.
makosi
Do the bot creators actually get a return on the capital employed? I mean do they get their money's worth from the runes/skills/armour? I checked dunes ID1 and its now a popular tourist location to point and laugh at the poorly programmed bots 
Lady Lozza
The bots in Elona really are an amazing site. If you think there are people behind them just jump to ID1 and take a look. It will not take you long to change your mind. Watchout hydras, seems like Elona will not be a safe place to be farming in the future.
twicky_kid
The more Anet nerfs farming spots the more saturation you going to see in the left over spots.
To bots it really doesn't matter if its crap drops. 2 minute run at max and just leave the bot running. Sell everything that drops.
To bots it really doesn't matter if its crap drops. 2 minute run at max and just leave the bot running. Sell everything that drops.
TheMosesPHD
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I say let them keep it, elona has incredibly low profit potential, maybe 200 gold per run at most, and anti-farm kicks in very quickly. Unless, of course, they're using as crop rotation from troll runs, in which case I say burn em all. The farmers really do seem to pick the worst places to farm. Me, I take the frost giants and tengu just past the trolls in the shiverpeaks, or just clear most of the map outside dunes of despair.
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stupenduzzman
Anet cant keep nerfing everything because soon there will be nothing to farm anymore
(please dont touch my mursaat farming spot ^^)
(please dont touch my mursaat farming spot ^^)
HawkofStorms
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I say let them keep it, elona has incredibly low profit potential, maybe 200 gold per run at most, and anti-farm kicks in very quickly. Unless, of course, they're using as crop rotation from troll runs, in which case I say burn em all. The farmers really do seem to pick the worst places to farm. Me, I take the frost giants and tengu just past the trolls in the shiverpeaks, or just clear most of the map outside dunes of despair.
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lyra_song
I love the Elona run, and its sad that its come to this.
I consider it the most efficient farming run around. Its a 3 minute run with a total of gold in drops and white items from 300-800. A good 1 hour run will net you quite a lot.
Of course...i get bored after 5-6 runs. o.o
I consider it the most efficient farming run around. Its a 3 minute run with a total of gold in drops and white items from 300-800. A good 1 hour run will net you quite a lot.
Of course...i get bored after 5-6 runs. o.o
Lady Lozza
That's the thing about Elona, you can farm for half and hour and get enough out of it to not farm for the rest of the week. Yeah the drops aren't great, but it is so quick and easy that half an hour can yield a lot of runs.
I was hoping Elona would be somewhat safe because it was a mission area. Guess I was wrong
I was hoping Elona would be somewhat safe because it was a mission area. Guess I was wrong
Age
You want to know something about those Monks in the SS is that is all they are made up for sole purpose of farming.They are giving Mo/W a bad name and build as I see lots of these standing in Draknor's Forge and Amnoon Oasis at level2 with presearing armor on.They will never make good Monks when being run through the game.This is one of the reasons the Monk superior runes are so high compared to others although Necros are catching up with the 55 Necro.
Reading futher.What is a bot program :?:
Reading futher.What is a bot program :?:
Ristaron
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Originally Posted by Wessels
I'm pretty much fed up with comments like these . Do you comprehend why these pro-farmers are there???? Did you all ever stop and think
why gold is being sold on the net ??? Do you have the slightest idea who these people ( yes: people ) are ?? i suggest you read this article : http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/12/...ess/gaming.php in full. he only reason these people are there is that it is their job . They gather gold for those of us purchasing that gold from the sites . If there wasn't a demand to purchase gw-gold those folks wouldn't be there in the first place ( or at droknar , augury etc. ) . If you read that article you can also see what they themselves earn doing this : a measly US$250 /month . Next question is : why do people want to purchase gold in the first place ??? I have yet to see anyone addressing this very basic question . Let's see : - A-net introduced über-items ( greens ) and FoW armor to have some kind of "top -of- the game " rewards for dedicated players . However ( and here's the reason gold is being sold ) : there is no accomplishment involved at all in acquiring these items . The only way to get your hands on FoW-armor or on some rare green is to farm those areas pretty much constantly ( no skill involved : going in- and - out all the time using same builds all the time ) to get "lucky" . This prevents people who play the game normally from ever getting their hands on those items .People who do normal questing, helping guildies etc. will never get FoW-armor because they don't farm constantly to get the materials or gold . And this regardless of how much they have played , skillpoints,xp etc. They are being "penalized" for playing normally . Those items are available only to those who: - do nothing but farm ( the distinction between these people and bot-farmers is very hard to make , only difference is they don't get paid for it and they don't offer it on the net ) -are so disgusted in the end they decide to purchase gold of the net . Check out deldrimor war camp local chat ( or TOA local chat ) , these places are filled with pro-farmers , and again: because they don't sell it for real cash on the net we accept it .Try getting someone to do an actual quest in those places ! If I ever see someone trying to "block" exits at droknar or any other place I'll pretty much tell him/her what I think of that in local chat .Those farmers are doing their job in ensuring a supply of glod because there is a demand for it .No demand = no need for pro-farmers . So leave them alone . The only way this can be remedied is to totally rethink the meaning of "accomplishment " .Would A-net care to explain to me what's so great ( in terms of skill , great playing etc. ) about going into UW/FoW time and time again , with exact same builds , not for doing quests but to harvest and farm ??? They have stated repeatedly they don't condone people soloing any area ( UW was prime example ) but at the same time they ensure the only way to amass materials or gold for FoW armor is to do exactly that. |
Spazztic2003
Gaile, any word on this? I've sent about 5 reports in. GROWING SICK OF THIS!
I know that Chinese farmers exist in every game, but this one is different because you guys are anti-farming and you don't want people running the same area! Ban the bots, or nerf the drops!
I know that Chinese farmers exist in every game, but this one is different because you guys are anti-farming and you don't want people running the same area! Ban the bots, or nerf the drops!
Ristaron
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Ban the bots, or nerf the drops!
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Witchblade
yeah sure bots in Elona.. i hope for their owner that Factions ll include sets crafted with Minotaur Horns 
btw i dont wanna see another nerf of drops or a change in monster spawning cauz of those jerks.. just ban em..thats all
if drops are nerfed.. bots are winning since they run 24/7
btw i dont wanna see another nerf of drops or a change in monster spawning cauz of those jerks.. just ban em..thats all
if drops are nerfed.. bots are winning since they run 24/7
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ghostlyranger
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Originally Posted by Matsumi
I don't think you're correct on this one, have you been to elona reach yet and checked it out? It's completely obvious that they're not people doing their job, so instead of making a big speech about how they're just people (which I'm sure some are, but not all), take a look. Hang out there for a while and notice the patterns and running into walls, and it will start to sink in a little.
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and then the company will sell the golds to some well known gold trader site like ige.
natuxatu
The fact is a person isn't doing all the work. Someone did the work to make the program but that's it. You can't call letting a program run while you do whatever you want work or play for that matter.
The bots need to be banned I can't see how anyone would argue otherwise. It's not allowed simple as that. Or the majority of people would have a bot running when they weren't playing the game. As for drops i think the point is that they aren't great... as it obviously is going through and selling everything in their inventory so black dye to drop would be worth 25g or 10g or whatever it goes for to merchants.
The bots need to be banned I can't see how anyone would argue otherwise. It's not allowed simple as that. Or the majority of people would have a bot running when they weren't playing the game. As for drops i think the point is that they aren't great... as it obviously is going through and selling everything in their inventory so black dye to drop would be worth 25g or 10g or whatever it goes for to merchants.
Maria The Princess
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Originally Posted by Ristaron
I was unaware that bots were paid, or even had a need for money after they've been equipped with the proper skills and equipment to farm an area they're programmed for.
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Maria The Princess
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Originally Posted by natuxatu
The fact is a person isn't doing all the work. Someone did the work to make the program but that's it. You can't call letting a program run while you do whatever you want work or play for that matter.
The bots need to be banned I can't see how anyone would argue otherwise. It's not allowed simple as that. Or the majority of people would have a bot running when they weren't playing the game. As for drops i think the point is that they aren't great... as it obviously is going through and selling everything in their inventory so black dye to drop would be worth 25g or 10g or whatever it goes for to merchants. |
Wretchman Drake
Every MMO has problems like this. I think recently WoW deleted over like 60,000 accts because of dupped items and hacking. Garbage with gold in games always happens like this. But instead of nerfing farming all together, they should just eliminate the possibilities of bots...
Maria The Princess
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Originally Posted by Wretchman Drake
Every MMO has problems like this. I think recently WoW deleted over like 60,000 accts because of dupped items and hacking. Garbage with gold in games always happens like this. But instead of nerfing farming all together, they should just eliminate the possibilities of bots...
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Miraculix B.
i dont know if this vid has already been around here. its about chinese goldfarmers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho5Yxe6UVv4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho5Yxe6UVv4
Poison Ivy
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Originally Posted by Lady Lozza
But no one would seriously buy anything in Elona ID one. Why don't they just farm in their home dist, then jump to Droks ID for selling???
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