Problem With Merging Two Prophecy Accounts

TheOneAndOnlyX

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2005

The Last Sacrens

N/Me

I was thinking about the merging with all the purchasing more character slots controversy and all the people who have like 3 accounts and want to merge them all together.Here is a problem that just might happen and I hope one of you can find a solution! Well lets say a friend scams another friend and he links that account to his so the friend loses everything including all the items,chars,unlocks ect.Hes just gained every benefeit and the other cannot retrieve his account because the email is gone, the password and if there is one a secret question!

Is there a solution to linking accounts?

Bahumhat

Bahumhat

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Somewhere

C A K E[YuM]

I only think you can only Merge 1 GW:P account, with 1 GW:F account, once and only once.

Kerrick??

Kerrick??

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

Mo/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bahumhat
...once and only once
I enjoyed the irony in what bahumhat said and the Op's name...

(/nerd.)

Sekkira

Sekkira

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Canberra, AU

Well if you're going on about that, a 'friend' can scam another friend and take his account anyway.

Jagflame

Jagflame

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Illinois

Yours, maybe? Drop me a line.

N/Me

Put bluntly, if you allow yourself to be scammed like that you deserve to be scammed. Honestly.

Dauntless

Dauntless

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

Mo/

You can't merge accounts that are already established. You can only add a new key, you cannot add someone elses existing account to your own.

Kerrick??

Kerrick??

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

Mo/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dauntless
You can't merge accounts that are already established. You can only add a new key, you cannot add someone elses existing account to your own.
Yet.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3016784

SisterMercy

SisterMercy

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2005

Sisters of Mercy

The potential for stolen accounts would be one of the bigger problems with any possible process of merging GW:P accounts. There are 2 things I can see needing to be done in order for it to happen:

1) The merge process would require email verification from the original email address(es) used to create both accounts, and

2) The merge process would have to be done during a certain grace period, before the price of GW:P drops to $20 at your local Best Buy, or only be applicable with accounts created before a certain date.

TheOneAndOnlyX

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2005

The Last Sacrens

N/Me

I think I found it out, you would have to have the original cd key in order to merge it.

makosi

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

I'd dye my hair green to merge my two Prophecies accounts together and add Factions. This would please a lot of consumers but from a marketing perspective, there is a chance that people with two Prophecies accounts might buy two Factions accounts. Do£$ that mak£ $£n$£?

dgb

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

Mo/Me

Easy way to avoid people losing their accounts.

Merge screen looks like this.

Email Address of account 1:______________________
Password of account 1:_________________________
Email Address of account 2:______________________
Password of account 2:_________________________

Type "I want to merge the above two accounts" here:_____________________________

If someone knows your password who would steal your account then it's your fault. They'll steal it with or without a merge.

Of course this would mean that A-net makes less money...

Dawnspire

Dawnspire

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

E/N

How would they make less money if you were allowed to merge two EXISTING accounts together? You/someone has already paid for them, now they are going to be one account..?

And now it is 40 dollars to add 4 characters, the default number, so theres not a big loss there either.

TruePlayer

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

well... i vote for the "gimme your key"-solution. maybe someone gets your logins for your account, but having the key for your account is likely impossible...

but after anet discovered the possibility of selling seperate charslots, why should they care any longer about some dumba55es like me, that bought a second account for prophecies.
i'm sure they hope i'll fill their pockets with another copy of factions for my second account somewhen in the future...

anet charslot-policy starts to dissapoint me more and more, but i guess they can't handle it differently, it's just their roots from blizzard...

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawnspire
How would they make less money if you were allowed to merge two EXISTING accounts together? You/someone has already paid for them, now they are going to be one account..?

And now it is 40 dollars to add 4 characters, the default number, so theres not a big loss there either.
lets make it more obvious for you.

a family has 5 accounts but actually play at different times.

they need 5 more Factions to continue olaying the way it is.

merge all of them and only one copy of each chapter will be needed from then on.

chapter 2 loss 4 sales
chapter 3 loss 8 sales
chapter 4 loss 12 sales

times all the other merged accounts that do the same on a smaller scale.

clear now?

guffey

guffey

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

in front of my computer

uLn

E/Mo

also if u have 2 GW:P then u would have to buy 2 GW:F. or if u could merge, it wouold be 1 merged GW:P and only need to buy 1 GW:F.. Anet just lost 50 bux

allience

allience

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

Mo/Me

to merge 2 prophecies account i think it should require the account cd-key and email confirmation. so i doubt any scaming could be done with that unless the person is a real idiot who gives out his cd-key and email password.
i really hope anet will allow merging accounts since it's really unfair to the many ppl who have more than 1 copy of the game.

i think the merge account option should make both account 1 single account.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by allience
i really hope anet will allow merging accounts since it's really unfair to the many ppl who have more than 1 copy of the game.

i think the merge account option should make both account 1 single account.
WHERE DO YOU GET UNFAIR?.........DID THEY MAKE YOU BUY IT?

REASONS NOT TO.....A FEW

1. there will always be idiots
note that Gaile said they are really going to nag you at the merging process so they can say later that whichever way you choose you were warned that it could not be changed
in spite of this idiots who want to play with each other at the same time will merge to save money and then yell to separate the accounts again..........too bad.

2. when 2 accounts like that are merged one of the emails will vanish. good luck months later when the owner of the stolen account tries to recover it.

3. and most important to a business

WHY SHOULD THEY GO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO CUT SALES BY GIVING FREE CHAPTERS FOR THE REST OF THE GAMES LIFE?

2 games equals 2 upgrades

a merged 2 games equals 1 upgrade

forget security look at the bottom line to see why they are saying flat no.

Jagflame

Jagflame

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Illinois

Yours, maybe? Drop me a line.

N/Me

Well, a merged two games doesn't really equal one upgrade. It kinda does, because you get the factions features, but you still don't get all the slots that you would get with two.

But really if there's someone with two accounts merged, both played by a single person, it would make sense that they would only need one factions account because it's only one player.

And the family situation doesn't work either because if they merged five then they could only get on at one time and sharing GW with four other people would suck for any active player. And actually if they wanted to share accounts all they would have to do now would buy extra slots for one account, even though that wouldn't work if they already bought the five accounts.

twicky_kid

twicky_kid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quite Vulgar [FUN]

If a hacker can hack your GW account they can hack your email so email verification is no good.

Cd-keys you have entered can be seen in full from the edit account, manage keys screen.

Merging same chapter accounts is too much of a security risk to be viable its nothing to with money. Once the account is merged it is lost FOREVER. This would give hackers even more of a reason to steal your account. Steal multiple accounts merge them and sell it on ebay for lots of $$$.

Merging is simply not a good idea from a security stand point.

Mordakai

Mordakai

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Kyhlo

W/

Honestly, people with multiple account should cut their losses, buy one version of Factions, and spend the savings on Multiple slots.

Yeah, it sucks you wasted the money on multiple copies, but that's no reason to throw more money at the problem by buying multiple copies of each chapter after this one. I think that's why Anet announced the slots-for-sale before Factions was released, to try and stop people from complaining about all the money they spent on multiple accounts!

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jagflame

And the family situation doesn't work either because if they merged five then they could only get on at one time and sharing GW with four other people would suck for any active player. .
hi.

next time read it.

here is what i made clear.

Quote:
a family has 5 accounts but actually play at different times.

Lord Iowerth

Lord Iowerth

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Atlanta, GA (#guildwarsguru FTW!)

Biscuit Of Dewm [MEEP]

R/Mo

I think a huge assumption is being made here (partly by Lovi, and sorry man I usually agree with you ):

They leaked the info about purchasable character slots BEFORE the release of factions, just as Mordakai mentioned, to prevent people griping about having to buy >1 copy to use on each account they have. ANet is not stupid, they know people have multiple accounts ...

Is ANet taking a potential monetary hit to offer slots? Most likely, even at $10 a pop, they would have definitely made more money without this offer and i'm sure lots of people would own multiple copies of Factions as well.

Which reminds me: the other assumption here is that people with >1 copy of GW:P are going to buy GW:F for each account. I have 2 accounts, and I wasn't planning on getting factions for both, and know several who feel the same way. And yes, I know that the group of myself and 3 or 4 of my friends does not necessarily constitute the majority of Guild Wars players

Bottom line? Merging is feasable while limiting abuse, desired by alot of players, and can be done with minimal projected future sales losses by ANet.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Iowerth

Bottom line? Merging is feasable while limiting abuse, desired by alot of players, and can be done with minimal projected future sales losses by ANet.
assumption from posts here and there.

people with more than 1 account fall into mostly 2 catagories.

family playing together who will upgrade all chapters purchased

hardcore players who will upgrade to avoid grinding the same character on an added slot.

a lot of the family ones will upgrade as long as they keep having fun playing together.

pokesoul

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Apr 2006

Albino Black Sheep

N/Me

I posted a long topic in the main channel for the char slots. I said there that a password would be required to merge the accounts and so on. If you are dumb enough to hand out your password than sorry bout your luck you got screwed. People stealing accounts would be much easier to handle...if they stole it and merged it than there would be no way to deny stealing the account.

Muse of Shadows

Muse of Shadows

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by twicky_kid
Cd-keys you have entered can be seen in full from the edit account, manage keys screen.
Rong. The CD-Keys associated with an account are NOT listed anywhere in the account information - only the effects they give are listed, as in, this account has a collectors eddition key, so your hands glow.
My guess is it would take a DAMN GOOD hacker to access the CD-Keys for accounts without acualy having the owner give them the key.

As far as security is concerned, there isnt a problem. How merging accounts should work is:

You have the option of merging existing accounts by, or accounts created by a certain date as a ONE-TIME effect. Once merged, they cannot be seperated.

You must know the email, password, and CD-Key for each account you wish to merge, and once an account has been merged, you can no longer merge it with another account - other than future chapters. All account merging (for those with more than two accounts) needs to be done at the same time.

When merging, you fill in the email, password, and CD-Key for each account you are merging, and designate one of the emails as the one the merged account will be linked to.

Email confermation should be given, not for security reasons, but to make shure the person realy wants to merge the accounts.

Give a 1-week period, or whatever is required for ArenaNet to complete the merge, and then you will have one account. During this time, I am unshure whether you will be able to play any of the accounts or not, as I dont know exactly what proccess ArenaNet will use to merge the accounts, although I would hope at least one of them remains accessable. I for one, am willing to wait a week or two to play again if merging accounts becomes available.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Muse of Shadows

As for you that are talking about merging accounts being increadably difficult - I am only a mediocor programer, and if their database was setup correctly to begin with, this would not be that difficult. Several ideas come to mind right away - I may be incorrect as I have never done game programing

.
look.

you are a so-so programmer with no game experience but you know how to tell the experts in that field how wrong they are and how easy it really should be to do?

they say it is extreamly hard and i think i will believe them

Muse of Shadows

Muse of Shadows

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Loviatar
look.

you are a so-so programmer with no game experience but you know how to tell the experts in that field how wrong they are and how easy it really should be to do?
I have not seen anything that ArenaNet cannot do it, only that they wont. I was responding to someone else's post on another thread, who gives the impression of knowing what he's talking about - however I dont trust that as in my experiance, most people like that are simply retarded - no offince intended if you do indeed know what you are talking about.

Slightly curious as to why you posted your responce on this thread, instead of the one with my post on it.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Muse of Shadows
Slightly curious as to why you posted your responce on this thread, instead of the one with my post on it.
easy

it was simply the latest merge rant.

you admit you havent a clue to what the proven track record gaming experts are doing but still say it is either easy to do or they botched it.