Why...?
Their are plenty of ways to get around the double damage drawback. I actually use the 2x damage to my advantage, I see the top guilds using it alot though only against casters.
I use this build for Random Arenas and went on several winning sprees.
Swords-12
Tactics-12
Strength-11
Severe Artery
Gash
Galrath Slash
Riposte
Frenzy
Flurry
Grenths Balance (E)
W/Mo's die pretty fast, but then again they're usually idiots...(absolutely no offense to W/Mo's who may be viewing this)
But anyhow this topic is about frenzy not my build, so...anyone else like frenzy?
Why do people hate Frenzy?
Llednar
TurinPT
I love frenzy.. makes killing a warrior so easy. Ineptitude + Clumsiness when he has frenzy on = instant death.
Vermilion
People hate frenzy? News to me..
Seeing as its in about every warrior build Ive ever seen while observing GvGs, I can't say people hate it that much. (I don't gvg much myself though)
From what Ive seen it works great against fleeing targets and NPCs as well.
And for the record, the only W/Mos that are idiots are the ones in RA, etc that take the Paladin template and/or don't really know what they're doing. Also, more people have/use a W/mo than other classes = more stupid people. And just saying "No offense" doesn't really change anything, for future reference.
Seeing as its in about every warrior build Ive ever seen while observing GvGs, I can't say people hate it that much. (I don't gvg much myself though)
From what Ive seen it works great against fleeing targets and NPCs as well.
And for the record, the only W/Mos that are idiots are the ones in RA, etc that take the Paladin template and/or don't really know what they're doing. Also, more people have/use a W/mo than other classes = more stupid people. And just saying "No offense" doesn't really change anything, for future reference.
Shadow-Hunter
I love Frenzy.. Its just a really nice dmg boost.. Then ofc you take a little more dmg, But Sprint or rush would break the Frenzy..And the Warriors are mainly low prio targets... So the times that you get punished for the double dmg is worth it as you get a bigger dmg Machine 
~Shadow
~Shadow
Savio
People hate Frenzy for the following reasons:
1. They play PvE and think Warriors are just supposed to absorb damage and not deal any.
2. They play Random Arenas and think that's the height of PvP strategy.
3. They think Warriors taking double damage is significant.
4. They don't understand how to cancel a stance by switching to another stance.
1. They play PvE and think Warriors are just supposed to absorb damage and not deal any.
2. They play Random Arenas and think that's the height of PvP strategy.
3. They think Warriors taking double damage is significant.
4. They don't understand how to cancel a stance by switching to another stance.
Poison Ivy
Because their brainless, they don't think, and they never will.
Terra Xin
People hate frenzy cuz they see people who dont know how to properly use frenzy... use it.
It's been this way, cuz noobs use frenzy JUST as they are charging into a fight.... I think that's a big nono
I dont know much about wars (mesmer ftw^^) but wouldnt frenzy be best used when the target is low on life? or as someone pointed out, when they're running? as long as you're not taking any serious damage, frenzy is a good damage amplifier.
Anyway. I just happen to really like frenzy, it gives me a chance to spike them more easily. It prolly wont kill them, but it will freak them out a lot!
It's been this way, cuz noobs use frenzy JUST as they are charging into a fight.... I think that's a big nono
I dont know much about wars (mesmer ftw^^) but wouldnt frenzy be best used when the target is low on life? or as someone pointed out, when they're running? as long as you're not taking any serious damage, frenzy is a good damage amplifier.
Anyway. I just happen to really like frenzy, it gives me a chance to spike them more easily. It prolly wont kill them, but it will freak them out a lot!
Wrath Of Dragons
people hate frenzy because there are so many stupid warriors in RA and even TA
have any of you ineptitude/clumsyness mesmers w/ 16 illusion ever cast that on a dumb frenzy warrior? almost instant kill. almost 500 damage in like 1.77 secs or whatever.
have any of you ineptitude/clumsyness mesmers w/ 16 illusion ever cast that on a dumb frenzy warrior? almost instant kill. almost 500 damage in like 1.77 secs or whatever.
Llednar
Well I loves frenzy, I also found Warriors Endurance can make a good switch out stance for it, but i prefer Defy Pain or Grenths Balance when i play W/N.
Frost_
i usually use it in my builds with a bonder so it cancles out
Haggard
its not bad - but in some situations it can kill you, which is why most people generally assume that anyone using it is doomed and will die whatever theyre fighting.
JR
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Originally Posted by Savio
People hate Frenzy for the following reasons:
1. They play PvE and think Warriors are just supposed to absorb damage and not deal any.
2. They play Random Arenas and think that's the height of PvP strategy.
3. They think Warriors taking double damage is significant.
4. They don't understand how to cancel a stance by switching to another stance. Quoted for accuracy.
1. They play PvE and think Warriors are just supposed to absorb damage and not deal any.
2. They play Random Arenas and think that's the height of PvP strategy.
3. They think Warriors taking double damage is significant.
4. They don't understand how to cancel a stance by switching to another stance. Quoted for accuracy.
Lord Oranos
Quote:
Originally Posted by Savio
People hate Frenzy for the following reasons:
1. They play PvE and think Warriors are just supposed to absorb damage and not deal any.
2. They play Random Arenas and think that's the height of PvP strategy.
3. They think Warriors taking double damage is significant.
4. They don't understand how to cancel a stance by switching to another stance. Allow me to add another reason.
5. They play pve and dont understand that the mobs dont just attack the monks there... and dont know how to switch stances...
Ok thats really six but I think you get my point.
1. They play PvE and think Warriors are just supposed to absorb damage and not deal any.
2. They play Random Arenas and think that's the height of PvP strategy.
3. They think Warriors taking double damage is significant.
4. They don't understand how to cancel a stance by switching to another stance. Allow me to add another reason.
5. They play pve and dont understand that the mobs dont just attack the monks there... and dont know how to switch stances...
Ok thats really six but I think you get my point.
BeowulfKamdas
why bring frenzy if all your gonna do is hold a gear?
:S
:S
Lord Oranos
Im talking about real pve, not the sf farmers...and not every warrior "holds the gear" my first charactor was a warrior and I have never lowered myself to be someones stance bitch.
Oh and they nerfed the "book trick" =D
Oh and they nerfed the "book trick" =D
d3kst3r
My designated HA group always calls as soon as they see a warrior use frenzy and everyone stops what they're doing and does a spike countdown using Lightning Orb, Clumsiness and Energy Burn or whatever other dmg skills they can muster. To me the second a warrior casts Frenzy I see it as an opportunity to get an instant kill.
Raziel665
Most Warriors I run into in the Arena's use it, and then just flee when I attack them with my Warrior.
It can be used in a good way, but most peopel who use just use it wrong.
It can be used in a good way, but most peopel who use just use it wrong.
Winterclaw
Without frenzy
Sword warrior, assuming 17 DPH, will average 63 damage giving in 5 seconds and takes normal damage
With Frenzy
Sword warrior, assuming 17 DPH, will average 95 damage giving in 5 seconds and takes double damage
So assuming the other guy will hold still for 5 seconds to let you use the skill to it's fullest, you will do 32 extra damage for 5 energy. The plus is you don't need a ton of skill points to use it, the minus is that you will take double damage (meaning a good cleave or penetrating blow will ruin your day), you need to wait longer to get in the extra damage, and your weapon primary should already give you a skill for +32 damage for 5 energy.
The best time to use it is you are a warrior with a vampiric or zealous mod on your weapon or if you've got something like conjure frost on you. What you get out of it is the chance to make two extra attacks basically.
There are good times and bad times to use it and it is a gambling skill. You take the risk of taking extra damage to do extra damage.
However, frenzy is a great skill to take along to beat the doppelgagner, just don't use it yourself.
Sword warrior, assuming 17 DPH, will average 63 damage giving in 5 seconds and takes normal damage
With Frenzy
Sword warrior, assuming 17 DPH, will average 95 damage giving in 5 seconds and takes double damage
So assuming the other guy will hold still for 5 seconds to let you use the skill to it's fullest, you will do 32 extra damage for 5 energy. The plus is you don't need a ton of skill points to use it, the minus is that you will take double damage (meaning a good cleave or penetrating blow will ruin your day), you need to wait longer to get in the extra damage, and your weapon primary should already give you a skill for +32 damage for 5 energy.
The best time to use it is you are a warrior with a vampiric or zealous mod on your weapon or if you've got something like conjure frost on you. What you get out of it is the chance to make two extra attacks basically.
There are good times and bad times to use it and it is a gambling skill. You take the risk of taking extra damage to do extra damage.
However, frenzy is a great skill to take along to beat the doppelgagner, just don't use it yourself.
d3kst3r
33% extra attack speed for 200% damage multiplier on yourself. Hardly seems like a fair trade.
NatalieD
Do you ever play a monk? And try to survive under warrior pressure? I can't even describe how much more deadly a warrior is to me if he uses frenzy. It's like a whole order of magnitude more threatening.
50% more DPS, 50% more frequent spikes, and the spikes are substantially spikier when they come. It's even nastier when they bring a knockdown - even a single extra hit while I'm on my ass can easily make the difference.
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Originally Posted by d3kst3r
50% more DPS, 50% more frequent spikes, and the spikes are substantially spikier when they come. It's even nastier when they bring a knockdown - even a single extra hit while I'm on my ass can easily make the difference.
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33% extra attack speed for 200% damage multiplier on yourself. Hardly seems like a fair trade.
Uh, that's why you have to know when to use it and when to cancel it. The whole point is to maximize the extra damage to your target and avoid the extra damage to yourself.
JR
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Originally Posted by d3kst3r
My designated HA group always calls as soon as they see a warrior use frenzy and everyone stops what they're doing and does a spike countdown using Lightning Orb, Clumsiness and Energy Burn or whatever other dmg skills they can muster. To me the second a warrior casts Frenzy I see it as an opportunity to get an instant kill.
If that warrior is so retarded as to not notice a load of casters raising their arms and turning towards him, then quite frankly he deserves to die.
d3kst3r
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Originally Posted by JR-
If that warrior is so retarded as to not notice a load of casters raising their arms and turning towards him, then quite frankly he deserves to die.
Either that or they've been butchered by a fast cast mesmer.
JR
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Originally Posted by d3kst3r
Either that or they've been butchered by a fast cast mesmer.
A single Fast Cast Mesmer could probably sneak an Orb on a frenzied warrior if they were lucky. You couldn't pull off a full spike though, as soon as multiple people started casting it would be called on vent and the Warrior would cancel. There is the opportunity to Frenzy-Lock the warrior with Blackout, which is effective but very hard to pull off regularly.
d3kst3r
I was actually thinking of Ineptitude or Clumsiness. Ineptitude by itself takes off almost half the warriors HP using frenzy and can be sneaked in between attacks to be unavoidable.
I remember watching the world championships and watching War Machine play. Their warrior would be attacking and at 1/2 health using Frenzy and I'd used to laugh that nobody in the enemy team thought of bringing Ineptitude to counter him. But then again, that was before the update almost doubled Inepts dmg.
I remember watching the world championships and watching War Machine play. Their warrior would be attacking and at 1/2 health using Frenzy and I'd used to laugh that nobody in the enemy team thought of bringing Ineptitude to counter him. But then again, that was before the update almost doubled Inepts dmg.
ayanaftw
frenzy is a pvp skill b/c ppl dont usually go for warriors first
so basically u only use it when there arent ppl attacking u. which is very common in ha and gvg's.
dont really see ineptitude and clumsiness in gvg and ha.
but the thing i hate most is tat when i ask 'inexperienced' ppl why they bring frenzy they say its b/c the top players use it. they dont even think about what their skillbar does, only tat the top players use the same thing.
and yes if the warrior is so stupid tat he keeps frenzying when he is targeted then he does deserve to die. ^^
so basically u only use it when there arent ppl attacking u. which is very common in ha and gvg's.
dont really see ineptitude and clumsiness in gvg and ha.
but the thing i hate most is tat when i ask 'inexperienced' ppl why they bring frenzy they say its b/c the top players use it. they dont even think about what their skillbar does, only tat the top players use the same thing.
and yes if the warrior is so stupid tat he keeps frenzying when he is targeted then he does deserve to die. ^^
Senator Tom
they're dumb. now that racthoh uses it, everyone will.
d3kst3r
actually if people bothered to watch the players in the top korean guilds use Frenzy, they're almost always backed up with Protective Spirit from a monk.
kram_73
its incredibly useful right b4 i hit you with punishing shot and hunters shot and watch you die in a pile of your own stupidity.
BeowulfKamdas
man frenzy is THE attack speed boost to use, I even prefer it over tiger's fury.
audioaxes
well there are a ton of misconceptions around about skills and general pvp strategy created from a pretty large group of psuedo pros who are really noobs who think they are masterminds of gw pvp from playing CA
Shred Dread
As an elementalist,if I ever do random arenas with a group that is less than expert, then I'm screwed if a warrior comes after me, becuase usually my group is too inexperienced to know how to support me. If that warrior comes after me with frenzy, then I might be able to get some decent damage in, but I am 10x more screwed.
I hate Frenzy (only when it is used against me, i guess) but I acknowledge that it is not nearly as bad as noobish PvP wanabes think it is.
I hate Frenzy (only when it is used against me, i guess) but I acknowledge that it is not nearly as bad as noobish PvP wanabes think it is.