Hello, this is a warning for all guilds who use public vent servers during GvG. Our guild, We Step On Puppies (rank 25 at the time) went up against edit. At 6:54, we had them heavily DPed, and were just about to push up, when we heard our leader say. "What the heck? I can't move!" Thinking it was just another server lag spike, we sit for a couple minutes waiting for the lag to pass. Then all I could hear was 'PAGE FROM *garbled* *more garble*'
We were being cheated. We were being attacked by bots spamming us with pages, and even though our leader had them off so he couldnt hear them, it still registered them and made him lag. We frantically called for vent admin via comments for assistance, and they booted the spammers who then changed their IP and re-logged.
By this time, when I put Guild Wars back up, edit had re-taken the flag stand and had our leader overextended, and he could not move. Our monks were now being paged, valiantly trying to keep our leader alive. I was also suffering a great amount of lag, and could not hear a single spike because I did not have pages turned off, nor had the time to do so. edit was able to deal an incredible blow to our Morale, and get a morale boost (I was the flag runner and was lagging so bad I couldn't even get back to the flag to pick it up), and pushed back to our keep, taking out some body guards before we were able to repel them. The vent admin had finnally seemed to have stopped the problem temporarily. However, it was now too late to take the victory.
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To give an idea on the amount of pages we recieved, the vent admin could not even open the log of the pages. It crashed the vent admin's computer.
I think its sad that someone would stoop to this level to interfere with a game.
Admin Edit: We do not allow the posting of names.
PuP has since moved to a private ventrilo server.
Warning to Ventrilo Users
The Ice Master
demon dantes
hmmmmmm u on dial up or something cause i admin for a vent server off of my own comp gets pages all the time and never lagged that bad lol i have dsl and a walmart special comp lol. and 2 if ur leader had his pages turned off he wouldn t even receive the send so anyone that had it turned off wouldn t had laged the same as e1 else would have if that is the reason.
pigdestroyer
pay a private channel?
The Ice Master
No, we don't lag when we get 1 page. We get lagged when we get one hundred thousand of them in 5 seconds.
People can page you from any channel, not just private ones. We were sponsored by the company, we had the best you could get.
People can page you from any channel, not just private ones. We were sponsored by the company, we had the best you could get.
Starsky-sama
would be an awful trend. if it ever becomes one.
are you guys investigating it more, who those ppl were?
(identify ip or something, send it to gw support. maybe it can or is tied to someone ingame...)
are you guys investigating it more, who those ppl were?
(identify ip or something, send it to gw support. maybe it can or is tied to someone ingame...)
=HT=Ingram
pitty... TS however has no such prob, so there you go... use whatever you feel comfortable with I guess...
twicky_kid
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If it was them and it was from an outside source they could just deny it and you have no proof.
This is very unfortunate to hear about. Not exactly surpised considering this is a competative game. Anything competative will have cheaters.
If it was them and it was from an outside source they could just deny it and you have no proof.
This is very unfortunate to hear about. Not exactly surpised considering this is a competative game. Anything competative will have cheaters.
Manic Smile
that's pretty sad...if you see it once we'll see it again until something is done about it
Wow I Can Use Magic
Wow, I was watching this match on observer, it kinda makes sense now.
Sucks that that guild would stoop to such a level, but it sounds like a certain member in their guild.
Sorry to hear that. =/
Sucks that that guild would stoop to such a level, but it sounds like a certain member in their guild.
Sorry to hear that. =/
Omega X
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pitty... TS however has no such prob, so there you go... use whatever you feel comfortable with I guess...
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If you have an open server, then anyone can log in and cause trouble. SO to solve this, MAKE your guildmates create an account on the VT or TS server and have the Admin of the server approve all accounts. Those that are not approved cannot log on.
Now if you can't make a Vent server private, then this would really be a Vent only problem.
LifeInfusion
One of the reasons why i think arenanet should add voice comm ingame
twicky_kid
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One of the reasons why i think arenanet should add voice comm ingame
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Str0b0
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would be an awful trend. if it ever becomes one.
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One of the reasons why i think arenanet should add voice commingame
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Phaern Majes
"I don't condone cheating" lmao
demon dantes
maybe u didn t understand me it s unfortunate if this in fact did happen but if u have pages turned off no matter the amount of pages sent to u will make u lag AT ALL. it is one of the reasons for having ur paging turned off. so i don t think the ppl were laging that had it off because of that. r they in the same community vent as u that they would know. and last u can host off ur own comp if it really becomes a problem and it costs u nothing.
Str0b0
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"I don't condone cheating" lmao
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Haggard
Theres always the chance it might not have been the guild you were playing - having a '9th member' of your GvG team to electronically knockout the opposing side sounds a little extreme. That's what mesmers are for 
{IceFire}
i know who you guys were playing and it sounds like something they would do; anyways GL in the season.
Pillz_veritas
If vent is configured so that PM blocking is Client side, then the client is instructed to ignore all messages it recieves, but they are *still* recieved, thus can *still* cause lagging.
LoKi Foxfire
This is why you do not use public Vent servers for GvG. Sure, it may have been underhanded but it's almost impossible to prove that the guild themselves did it even if they really did.
Guardian of the Light
LoKi Foxfire is right its probably some jerks who hop form server to server trying to cause trouble. OR mybe it was the spirts of puppies you stepped on 
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Don Zardeone
Like Omega said, this is a security problem and has pretty much nothing to do with TS or Ventrilo.
Years ago, clans used to have completely locked down sites, forums, chats. Back when TS was something new and weird, they were all secret too.
Hell, getting INTO a clan required a lot of backgroundchecks, interviews, interrogations, etc...
Years ago, clans used to have completely locked down sites, forums, chats. Back when TS was something new and weird, they were all secret too.
Hell, getting INTO a clan required a lot of backgroundchecks, interviews, interrogations, etc...
Dracostamer
hey! syl here. Of Pup. This was very sad. If you would like more info private message me personally. This was a very sad event, and we want to make sure it happens to no one. Thanks.
Unreal9000
its a really sad day in GW when people Do this kinda stuff, i really feel for you guys and wish this doesnt happen nemore.
rollntider
Our guild uses TS and you cant log in unless you have the password. I suggest you maybe get TS through a service and pay the 4 bucks a month to prevent spamage.
The Ice Master
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Our guild uses TS and you cant log in unless you have the password. I suggest you maybe get TS through a service and pay the 4 bucks a month to prevent spamage.
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pintpointfive
Seems the other team was just resourceful. Props to them.
Sereng Amaranth
That team will burn in hell.
Daemon Dremora
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i do believe they have stated that they do plan on it. in the near future actually. definitely before chapter 3 comes out. i hope they stay true to their word. and to whoever said expect to pay for it. i dont recall them saying anything about paying for it, but i do recall hearing something at the same time i heard about this idea in general that on of the main dev's said it would follow the guildwars is a free game concept. which pretty much means no we wont pay for it.....
Dr Strangelove
I don't see any reason why they couldn't have free ingame voice chat. Battlefield 2 already does it for no monthly fee. If greedy stinky sell-out EA games can do it for free, I'm sure freedom-loving puppy-kissing defender of righteousness Anet can pull it off.
Akhilleus
well, if any guild that is participating in the tournoments would like to use my guilds (private) vent server, feel free to PM me in-game and ask.
its a vent server paid for by yours truly, with a 25 slot capacity (not the highest, but it works).
theres no reason a high-ranking gvg guild should be forced to use a public vent server.
it is passworded, and almost always has at least 1 admin on.
its a vent server paid for by yours truly, with a 25 slot capacity (not the highest, but it works).
theres no reason a high-ranking gvg guild should be forced to use a public vent server.
it is passworded, and almost always has at least 1 admin on.
Sekkira
I could see how they could do it free, the GW client including a voice chat doesn't really put the chat down their line but actually directly connects the users to each other using the bandwidth of the players once it's set up (once you bring up the voice chat).
Dunno if I explained it properly or if it makes sense..
Dunno if I explained it properly or if it makes sense..
Daemon Dremora
i would love if they made their voice chat free. that way i could finally have a voice chat thing for my guild w/o having to pay for ts or vent master server. yay go anet...lol....i really hope they make it free.
Thallandor
This is truely a sad day to see such things happen to guild wars..
*uninstalls Ventrilo*
Thanks for the heads up anyways.
*uninstalls Ventrilo*
Thanks for the heads up anyways.
JR
Seems enough people already know the guild that it was, not that it is particularly surprising. Oh well, play dirty and expect to come out looking like shit.
CAT
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Seems the other team was just resourceful. Props to them.
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gg though last night pup
Snowman
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The public server is now more secure after the attack. It isn't public any more. Vent can do just about anything TS can, and it uses less computer resources, too. Plus I think it sounds better!
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TS uses CONSIDERABLE less resources than Ventrillo does, this is the single reason why I insist on using TS over Ventrillo!
I know ALOT of people who use 56k modems and play GW, and can no-way use ventrillo! I even know people who HOST TS servers using a crappy computer and a 56k connection lol!
Also, I know your on a public server, so both TS and VT is open for attack, but Ventrillo's does seem to be more susceptable to attack and has more backdoor loops in it.
anyway, I dont want to make it into a TS Vs VT debate, and I sympathise with your attack..but.. dude! Get a private server!
ghostlyranger
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I don't see any reason why they couldn't have free ingame voice chat. Battlefield 2 already does it for no monthly fee. If greedy stinky sell-out EA games can do it for free, I'm sure freedom-loving puppy-kissing defender of righteousness Anet can pull it off.
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Former Ruling
Fact: TS has a more clunky Interface, and poorer sound quality.
Something happened to our Ventrilo server last night.
All of a sudden we all lagged, and Ventrilo dropped all users. Then it started erroring, and almost froze my computer....
And thats a private ventrilo server.
:\ very weird it was. had to go to backup TS server.
Something happened to our Ventrilo server last night.
All of a sudden we all lagged, and Ventrilo dropped all users. Then it started erroring, and almost froze my computer....
And thats a private ventrilo server.
:\ very weird it was. had to go to backup TS server.
The Ice Master
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Very true, public vent FTL. You shouldn't be gvging in a public vent, atleast use a private channel and turn off pages.
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