prima guide out?
Branskins
Hey is the prima guide in stores yet? I havn't really seen talk about it among the forums, and I have only seen one website that said it was shipping. Primagames.com does not even acknowledge it!
refused
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/076...lance&n=283155
# Paperback: 240 pages
# Publisher: Prima Games (April 25, 2006)
# Language: English
# Paperback: 240 pages
# Publisher: Prima Games (April 25, 2006)
# Language: English
Loviatar
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Originally Posted by refused
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/076...lance&n=283155
# Paperback: 240 pages # Publisher: Prima Games (April 25, 2006) # Language: English |
Branskins
Okay I see that wal-mart has it for 12 bucks, so I am sending my mom to get one tomorrow 
Sidra
www.guildwiki.com is free. I saw my friend's Prima guide. By the time he got the game (3 months ago) it was totally useless, with almost every description skewed and most of the walkthroughs worthless due to random updates and balances XD.
beanerman_99
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Originally Posted by Sidra
www.guildwiki.com is free. I saw my friend's Prima guide. By the time he got the game (3 months ago) it was totally useless, with almost every description skewed and most of the walkthroughs worthless due to random updates and balances XD.
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Dove_Song
The maps alon in the guide will be worth the 14 dollars, do your self a favor and get it. Ever wonder where the bulk of information on the forums comes from?
The Book will be fairly viable for a few weeks.
I still use my Guide from Phrophecies Daily when doing missions.
Aside from a few moved or added NPC's, a few quest updates, and skill updates....(all of which have handy updated notes by me in my guide) it's a great tool.
Edit: so excited about factions I swapped a word in there
The Book will be fairly viable for a few weeks.
I still use my Guide from Phrophecies Daily when doing missions.
Aside from a few moved or added NPC's, a few quest updates, and skill updates....(all of which have handy updated notes by me in my guide) it's a great tool.
Edit: so excited about factions I swapped a word in there
Tobias Funke
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Originally Posted by Dove_Song
The maps alon in the guide will be worth the 14 dollars, do your self a favor and get it. Ever wonder where the bulk of information on the forums comes from?
The Book will be fairly viable for a few weeks. I still use my Guide from factions Daily when doing missions. Aside from a few moved or added NPC's, a few quest updates, and skill updates....(all of which have handy updated notes by me in my guide) it's a great tool. |
Kerrick??
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Originally Posted by Tobias Funke
Don't waste your money.
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Vusak
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the prima guide provides misleading information, defeating the purpose of paying for it.
online websites are constantly evolving to account for new changes, they are freely available.
they also provide oooooooodles of random crap to read, in excess of anything a single book could muster.
the only thing a prima guide is good for, is putting your coffee on when your up all night on that first night, and second night, and third....
and honestly, i think i might just use a coaster instead - atleast that does what its designed for.
VGJustice
Er, yeah... I've heard nothing but horror stories about the first Prima Guide, so I wouldn't bother with the new one. Just use Guild Wiki, that has the benefit of being changed when the game gets changed.
If you want it for the maps, feel free then. It's not like they're going to change those. Just, don't rely on it for anything else.
If you want it for the maps, feel free then. It's not like they're going to change those. Just, don't rely on it for anything else.
Blaster The Warrior
why use a guide for guildwars omg this game is easy as hell ?:S?
Dove_Song
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Originally Posted by Kerrick¹
many people enjoy the guide simply for something to read that's game related...
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Tetris L
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Originally Posted by Sidra
www.guildwiki.com is free. I saw my friend's Prima guide. By the time he got the game (3 months ago) it was totally useless, with almost every description skewed and most of the walkthroughs worthless due to random updates and balances XD.
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But other than that you're right. The Prima guide for Prophecies was so full of blatant errors, it was laughable.
Dove_Song
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Vusak
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i think you may be the only person that thinks the prima guide is worth anything.
i can only assume you are employed by the publisher in some way.
no biggy tho, each to their own, im just making sure this thread has plenty of the 'dont bother with the prima guide' message in it to ensure newer players dont get suckered in.
Lady Lozza
My guide is well-used, and looking rather scrappy at the moment because of that. I enjoyed the little side comments that were written in it, and the unbiased presentation of the information. Very few sites can boast that.
Guild Wiki:
Any mesmer on this site will tell you there is more to a mesmer than this, and even STRONGER points to a mesmer than interrupts.
The wiki makes necros sound like they are just degen providers, but most of us know that that isn't the case.
In terms of getting into the game, the internet is the WORST source to consult for a description of game mechanics because it is so biased. The ONLY reason I tried a mesmer was because the prima made the profession sound attractive. I played mesmer and loved it.
The factions prima might be less useful to those of us who have played a little while because we already have a fair idea about each of the classes, even the new ones. But certainly for a brand new player - mis-information and all - the prima is a very good guide to the game.
Guild Wiki:
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The wiki makes necros sound like they are just degen providers, but most of us know that that isn't the case.
In terms of getting into the game, the internet is the WORST source to consult for a description of game mechanics because it is so biased. The ONLY reason I tried a mesmer was because the prima made the profession sound attractive. I played mesmer and loved it.
The factions prima might be less useful to those of us who have played a little while because we already have a fair idea about each of the classes, even the new ones. But certainly for a brand new player - mis-information and all - the prima is a very good guide to the game.
Branskins
Well the prophecies one was not written by developers. The new one is So I expect it to be a little bit better!
So I expect it to be a little bit better!
fallot
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lol is that your response to reasoned argument when you cant defend your position? i think you may be the only person that thinks the prima guide is worth anything. i can only assume you are employed by the publisher in some way. no biggy tho, each to their own, im just making sure this thread has plenty of the 'dont bother with the prima guide' message in it to ensure newer players dont get suckered in. |
The benefit of the Prima Guide is that it offers information early. Any errors or omissions can be corrected by the community. That makes it worth something. Would I buy it ? Never. But I also wouldnt discourage others from purchasing it, or make blanket statements about a product that I have no idea about.
Arduin
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Originally Posted by VGJustice
If you want it for the maps, feel free then. It's not like they're going to change those. Just, don't rely on it for anything else.
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Starsky-sama
It's really. you want to buy it or you dont.
**I for one have already ordered it. cant wait.
No one really relies soley on forums/websites, or guides, or even discovering things ingame for themselves.
everyone has their reasons in using what resources they are comfortable with using to find info.
I for one enjoy checking for info in all forms.
/g'day.
**I for one have already ordered it. cant wait.
No one really relies soley on forums/websites, or guides, or even discovering things ingame for themselves.
everyone has their reasons in using what resources they are comfortable with using to find info.
I for one enjoy checking for info in all forms.
/g'day.
Vusak
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Originally Posted by fallot
...The benefit of the Prima Guide is that it offers information early...
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if the information is incorrect, then it is useless - no matter that you receive it before others. EARLY wrong information != right information.
as to my assumption of its dubious nature.
that stems from the only sole example i have regarding a prima guide for this game.
simply put, on what basis should i estimate its worth?
from the promotional material on the publishers website?
from the promotional material on the guild wars website?
from the promotional material on any website???
if im a user looking for some kind of indication for the usefulness of the prima guide - i have 3 big choices:
A-be the publisher or someone else 'in the know'
B-read the promotional material
C-look at another example of the same product
A means i dont have to buy it
B means im only gonna hear the good things
C means it must be crap coz of what everyone has said about its previous incarnation
indeed the fact that the developers 'may' have made some kind of contribution (details are sketchy), does give it a certain sense of worth beyond some clueless cross selling gimmick.
however im still inclined to think that any REALLY useful info from the guide will be gleaned by good players and posted, or be directly copied from the guide and posted.
in any case, a new user wont be able to determine which information is particularly useful or not, it will be all new and hence all potentially useful, but at the same time, all potentially redundant when compared to other free sources.
and only after consulting with online commentary will they necessarily be able to deduce which information is worth paying attention to. which then begs the question - why not use those online info sources for the info itself in the first place?
or maybe after the recent UAX arguement, im just bored and need something to debate?
Kern Wolf
From what I've read and heard, ANET has written the Prima Guide for Factions; they did NOT write the guide for Prophecies. So maybe the information will be a little more relevant this time around.
I didn't have a real problem with the 1st guide, but after I found out about the web sites, I really just useed the guide for the maps....
I didn't have a real problem with the 1st guide, but after I found out about the web sites, I really just useed the guide for the maps....
Tetris L
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Originally Posted by Lady Lozza
The wiki makes necros sound like they are just degen providers, but most of us know that that isn't the case.
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Thargor
I think we are being a little harsh on the first guide here people. It has lots of good uses, I will list some for you lest you all forget.
1. Perfect Coaster (much nicer to look at than any plain old coaster)
2. Nice big map that is too large to hang anywhere
3. Great for smacking that annoying fly that is buzzing around
4. Equally great for smacking the dog that wont quit barking in your ear
5. comes in very handy when you have run out of other things to get that fire going
I bought the first and Ill buy the new one too, It does have its uses for me but Im not sharing that info here lest you all figure out my secrets
1. Perfect Coaster (much nicer to look at than any plain old coaster)
2. Nice big map that is too large to hang anywhere
3. Great for smacking that annoying fly that is buzzing around
4. Equally great for smacking the dog that wont quit barking in your ear
5. comes in very handy when you have run out of other things to get that fire going
I bought the first and Ill buy the new one too, It does have its uses for me but Im not sharing that info here lest you all figure out my secrets
Lady Lozza
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Originally Posted by Tetris L
The whole point about a wiki is that anybody can edit and correct it. If "most of us" consider something written in the wiki as wrong, then why don't we go and correct it?
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Why bother changing things if they are merely going to be changed back? I'm more than happy to provide armour pictures, etc but I've stopped trying to "change" things because I'm sick of them being changed back when someone simply doesn't agree with the light you've chosen to present the subject in.
As incorrect and out-of-date as the prima might be, it does present all the professions in a positive light. It states outright what the strengths and weaknesses of each class are, while constantly reminding you that there is no right way to do things. The wiki and online forums are full of people and information trying to force you to take a very cookie cutter approach.
"Squeeshies can't tank" is one of the largest falicies around but so very few people bother to correct it.
For a new player, the prima is precisely what is needed. The fact that it is out-of-date and incorrect isn't an issue because what they are after is a little bit of information without insults or the word "noob" being thrown around.
As an experienced player, I will be looking at the prima and only buying it if there is something there that particularly interests me.
Tetris L
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Originally Posted by Lady Lozza
I was an active member of a wiki community 2 years ago. I put a lot of hard work into writing and coding to make sure the information was NOT ONLY accurate, but also unbiased and relatively unopinionated. 3 weeks after I finished the majority of the changes I wanted to make, someone else came along and changed it again because they thought that the "unbiased, unemotive" approach was not the right one to take. I'm not the only one to have had such an experience with the wiki either. Why bother changing things if they are merely going to be changed back?
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Originally Posted by Lady Lozza
"Squeeshies can't tank" is one of the largest falicies around but so very few people bother to correct it.
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Anyway, this isn't the place to advertise for GuildWiki, so I'll shut up now.
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Dove_Song
You can always thumb through it at your local game shop before you buy it to see if it's something you will like.
Since this lil' disscussion started I've been going through my guide looking for "mis-information". I can find alot of things that have been changed, but can't seem to find any outright lies. But hey I've never seen a guide that didn't have a few errors.
If you spend as much time lost as I do, or getting all the Kryta issions confused: (they all look the same after 50050509509684576 times) It's pretty helpful to me.
As for the missing maps UW FoW SF.....I just printed out some, and stuck them in the book.
And....no, I am not fortunate enough to work for Prima. Too bad, it'd be fun to play video games all day.
I never liked guildwiki because it seems that it's more about who has more time to edit , and less about who has the best information. But each to there own I guess.
Since this lil' disscussion started I've been going through my guide looking for "mis-information". I can find alot of things that have been changed, but can't seem to find any outright lies. But hey I've never seen a guide that didn't have a few errors.
If you spend as much time lost as I do, or getting all the Kryta issions confused: (they all look the same after 50050509509684576 times) It's pretty helpful to me.
As for the missing maps UW FoW SF.....I just printed out some, and stuck them in the book.
And....no, I am not fortunate enough to work for Prima. Too bad, it'd be fun to play video games all day.
I never liked guildwiki because it seems that it's more about who has more time to edit , and less about who has the best information. But each to there own I guess.
Kern Wolf
I wonder how many people are going to try and buy the guide, because I just picked one up at BB; the store had a grand total of 8 guides shipped to them...
Starsky-sama
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I wonder how many people are going to try and buy the guide, because I just picked one up at BB; the store had a grand total of 8 guides shipped to them...
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if you wont mind. giviing us opinions about it. maybe even small interesting details.
/waiting for mine.
Dougal Kronik
I'll be buying it as soon as I find one!
I enjoyed the maps, some of the comments and the listings for the skills - not the descriptions because they changed with all the updates.
Also - when I'm not at home or able to listen to the Guild Wars soundtrack, I can read the guide. It's my little piece of Guild Wars that I can take with me on the road.
Therefore - it is not crap. It has assisted me in my complete exploration and charting of Tyria.
I enjoyed the maps, some of the comments and the listings for the skills - not the descriptions because they changed with all the updates.
Also - when I'm not at home or able to listen to the Guild Wars soundtrack, I can read the guide. It's my little piece of Guild Wars that I can take with me on the road.
Therefore - it is not crap. It has assisted me in my complete exploration and charting of Tyria.
wwwgeek7
I picked up a copy of the Factions guide from CompUSA on my lunch break today. It contains several pages of lore and background information, and a pull-out map of Cantha. There are mission and quest walkthoughs, which I refuse to look at until I need them. There are skill lists for all eight professions, which contain only the skills available in Factions. There are build suggestions which are attributed to Isaiah Cartwright. There are charts for all kinds of things. There are a few things in the guide that I haven't seen mentioned before, but nothing earth-shattering. There's a comment in the guide that it's intended to go along with the manuscript that comes with the game, so I guess some of the juicier details will be in that manuscript. The funniest thing I read was that guild capes would cost 100 gold. That was also a mistake in the Prophesies guide and I can't believe they made the same mistake with this guide. If I remember correctly, capes were 100 gold for about a week when Prophesies came out, but were soon changed to the current 2000 gold. Maybe the price of capes is going down...
Starsky-sama
/thx for the info wwwgeek7. that is amusing about the capes. unless they do intend to do that for the players with factions only. start cheap for them for a week or so.
Vahn Roi
I'm cheap, and I already spend at least an hour in quick visits on GuildWiki a day anyway...so yeah.
mm00re
just got the guide today, not horrible at all, at the very least the map looks very nice and shows me all 48 outposts/cities
along with a pet that no-one found in the fpe event
along with a pet that no-one found in the fpe event
Starsky-sama
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along with a pet that no-one found in the fpe event
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