This guide is not for the faint of heart. This guide won't hold your hand, tell you that every build out there works, or be easy to execute efficiently. That said, this build is very good at what it does. If you need skill points for your warrior quickly and smoothly, look to this build. I use this build because I despise PvE in Guild Wars, and I need skill points on my PvE warrior so that I can PvP with him. Whatever you may want to kill the trolls with, you can be assured that this build does it extremely well.
Warrior/Monk
Strength: 5 (2+3)
Axe Mastery: 13 (10+3)
Tactics: 16 (12+4)
Healing Prayers: 1
Smiting Prayers: 8
- Cyclone Axe (Axe Mastery)
- Bonetti's Defense (Tactics)
- Gladiator's Defense [Elite] (Tactics)
- Sprint (Strength)
- Executioner's Strike (Axe Mastery)
- Shield Stance (Tactics)
- Live Vicariously (Healing Prayers)
- Strength of Honor (Smiting Prayers)
Here's optimal equipment for executing the build:
Full Gladiator's Armor, except Knight's/Ascalon Boots OR Gloves (not both)
Superior Absorbtion, Vigor, Strength, Tactics, Axe Mastery (yes, 3 superior runes)
Vampiric (3:1) Axe of Shelter (+7 AL vs Physical)
Crimson Carapace Shield (+45 HP/-2 Dmg while in Stance)
You should have 305 (350 in stance) HP and 27 Energy.
Now, for the execution. The boring and repetitive part. To begin, make sure that you have a non vamp weapon out along with your shield so that you don't degen half to death before you get to the cave. You start off sprinting towards the cave, watching out for Avicara and timing your Sprints so that if the Avicara are close to the cave, you can break aggro quickly so that they don't follow you inside the caves. The reason for this is because it's easier if you have a small space to prep up and get Strength of Honor and Live Vicariously up. When you get up to the cave, you should be sitting at max, 27 energy. Cast Strength of Honor, and then let your energy regen slowly while you move closer to the trolls. You should be right outside of the aggro range of the trolls, and your energy should be sitting at roughly 20-23.
Cast Live Vicariously at this point, and then start aggroing the trolls. Don't just take on the main group in the first part of the cave. Keep going to get the 2-8 trolls beyond the main group. Don't, however, try to get either the right or left groups in most situations. They'll usually be too far away for you to aggro without losing the aggro of the main group in the process. The main group will break aggro, go back to the middle, and be a pain to reaggro, which is very annoying.
Once you have all the trolls rounded up, they'll start collapse on you. Just before most of them are about to hit you, hit Gladiator's Defense. Switch off of your non-vamp weapon set to your Axe and hit Cyclone Axe immediately. Then, C-Space one of the trolls and hit him with Executioners. You should be able to Cyclone-Executioners 2-3 times before Gladiator's Defense wears off. When Gladiator's Defense starts blinking, be ready to hit Bonetti's Defense. You have to be in Glad's Defense or Bonetti's (or Shield Stance) at all times or else you'll start dying very quickly. Anyway, at this point, it's very easy. All you have to do is Cyclone Axe while Bonetti's is up, and when Cyclone Axe is just about done in its animation, you start spamming your Bonetti's key so that when Cyclone is complete, Bonetti's is immediately active. When Gladiator's Defense is recharged, you start doing the Cyclone-Executioners on various trolls. It doesn't matter which ones. I usually just C-Space the first ones and then just click randomly in the mob for the others. Just don't try to kill one troll way before the others. Share the love. As the trolls start to die in bursts and then one by one, there might not be enough trolls to recharge Bonetti's defense after one Cyclone Axe. In those situations, you put up Shield Stance, and continue Cyclone/Executioners/Normal attacks until everything is dead.
It's pretty basic, minimal healing, maximum damage. If you have problems staying alive with the build, post here and we'll try to sort through the issues you're having.
Here's the video! It's my first GW-video making endeavor, so post your critiques on my editing skills (or lackthereof) as well.
http://media.putfile.com/Efficient-Troll-Farming
EDIT: Sorry about the FileFactory link before. FileFront was down, and I didn't think about PutFile.
Efficient Troll Farming (With Video)
wheel
Knido
gotta say, i love it 
kills twice as fast and i never really saw your hp dip to dangerous levels
awesome twist on the classic build, gotta get my vamp haft first before i try it out though
-couldnt afford a vamp haft but if you take tactics to 15 and put healing to 5 its pretty much the same-
kills twice as fast and i never really saw your hp dip to dangerous levels
awesome twist on the classic build, gotta get my vamp haft first before i try it out though
-couldnt afford a vamp haft but if you take tactics to 15 and put healing to 5 its pretty much the same-
wheel
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Originally Posted by Knido
gotta say, i love it
kills twice as fast and i never really saw your hp dip to dangerous levels
awesome twist on the classic build, gotta get my vamp haft first before i try it out though
-couldnt afford a vamp haft but if you take tactics to 15 and put healing to 5 its pretty much the same- Except it kills slower =/
kills twice as fast and i never really saw your hp dip to dangerous levels
awesome twist on the classic build, gotta get my vamp haft first before i try it out though
-couldnt afford a vamp haft but if you take tactics to 15 and put healing to 5 its pretty much the same- Except it kills slower =/
Shadow-Hunter
Sry to ask, But how the hell do you get 32 energy!? 20 warrior base energy + 6 from Glads = 26.. where does the last 7 energy come from? cant come from weapon set as thats an axe + CCS... havent watched the video 
but gonna try it out tomorrow ...
~Shadow
but gonna try it out tomorrow ... ~Shadow
wheel
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Originally Posted by Shadow-Hunter
Sry to ask, But how the hell do you get 32 energy!? 20 warrior base energy + 6 from Glads = 26.. where does the last 7 energy come from? cant come from weapon set as thats an axe + CCS... havent watched the video but gonna try it out tomorrow ...
~Shadow sorry, that was an oversight. it's from the ias wand. it give +5e. instead of 32, read 27.
but gonna try it out tomorrow ... ~Shadow sorry, that was an oversight. it's from the ias wand. it give +5e. instead of 32, read 27.
Guillaume De Sonoma
Wheel does PvE? Nice build and guide.
wheel
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Wheel does PvE? Nice build and guide.
-.- Only enough to get me by. I needed skill points on my warrior to ready him for PvP, so I thought, why use an inefficient build that would make me take longer to grind in PvE than I have to?
By the way, what did you think of the video? I didn't zoom in as much as I should have, which I realized afterwards, but what else could I improve on?
By the way, what did you think of the video? I didn't zoom in as much as I should have, which I realized afterwards, but what else could I improve on?
Knido
video was fine for me, and the way you got the music to fit was brilliant 
last run was exhilerating - had >100 hp for the last 5 or 6 trolls, was down to 23 or something at my lowest
last run was exhilerating - had >100 hp for the last 5 or 6 trolls, was down to 23 or something at my lowest
Guillaume De Sonoma
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Originally Posted by wheel
By the way, what did you think of the video? I didn't zoom in as much as I should have, which I realized afterwards, but what else could I improve on?
Well as far as the video I would zoom in on the two enchantments just to clearly show, it doesn't matter much though. I would zoom in during the fight to see the cyclone axes with strength of honor because most people would just look at the numbers and say something like," well I'm doing the same now with cyclone so I'll just take points out of smiting and into tactics for a longer Glad's Defense. And I can take another heal!." Good music, and it looks a lot cooler when you're zoomed into to see those trolls.
Edit: when I said another heal I had Vigorous Spirit in mind.
Edit: when I said another heal I had Vigorous Spirit in mind.
wheel
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Originally Posted by Guillaume De Sonoma
Well as far as the video I would zoom in on the two enchantments just to clearly show, it doesn't matter much though. I would zoom in during the fight to see the cyclone axes with strength of honor because most people would just look at the numbers and say something like," well I'm doing the same now with cyclone so I'll just take points out of smiting and into tactics for a longer Glad's Defense. And I can take another heal!." Good music, and it looks a lot cooler when you're zoomed into to see those trolls.
Edit: when I said another heal I had Vigorous Spirit in mind. Funny thing is, there's no reason to add more heals into the build because you survive just fine. The entire reason you're even in Talus Chute is to kill trolls. You aren't there to see how long you can sit there with your HP on full with the trolls pounding on you. Tactics is maxed, Axe is one damage on Cyclone Axe away from being max without a +1 Axe Helmet, Strength of Honor is balanced with its breakpoints to give a high damage to every hit, and Strength gets the leftover points, and Healing gets the leftover leftover points. Vigorous Spirit means that you're wasting time that you should be using Executioner's Strike. If you were to use it only ONCE in a run, you'd be less efficient, no questions asked. Same thing if you were to up the Healing Prayers level. You'd have to sacrifice Smiting, Strength, Axe, or Tactics. No matter which you take points out of, you're losing damage and wasting your time. I'm crazy, I know, but I like to get the most out of my time as possible.
Edit: when I said another heal I had Vigorous Spirit in mind. Funny thing is, there's no reason to add more heals into the build because you survive just fine. The entire reason you're even in Talus Chute is to kill trolls. You aren't there to see how long you can sit there with your HP on full with the trolls pounding on you. Tactics is maxed, Axe is one damage on Cyclone Axe away from being max without a +1 Axe Helmet, Strength of Honor is balanced with its breakpoints to give a high damage to every hit, and Strength gets the leftover points, and Healing gets the leftover leftover points. Vigorous Spirit means that you're wasting time that you should be using Executioner's Strike. If you were to use it only ONCE in a run, you'd be less efficient, no questions asked. Same thing if you were to up the Healing Prayers level. You'd have to sacrifice Smiting, Strength, Axe, or Tactics. No matter which you take points out of, you're losing damage and wasting your time. I'm crazy, I know, but I like to get the most out of my time as possible.
lambda the great
What Video recorder did you use?
wheel
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What Video recorder did you use?
Game Cam
Gigamaster89
Looks familiar
wheel
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Looks familiar
Not really. There aren't any builds that have been posted on Guro so far that are even close to as efficient for farming trolls on Warrior. The general idea is the same, but this build far outpaces your average inefficient troll farming build.
Not really. There aren't any builds that have been posted on Guro so far that are even close to as efficient for farming trolls on Warrior. The general idea is the same, but this build far outpaces your average inefficient troll farming build.
Gigamaster89
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Originally Posted by wheel
Not really. There aren't any builds that have been posted on Guro so far that are even close to as efficient for farming trolls on Warrior. The general idea is the same, but this build far outpaces your average inefficient troll farming build.
I meant familiar to my guide, same skill setup save one skill, near identical strategy, and used the same recording program.
wheel
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I meant familiar to my guide, same skill setup save one skill, near identical strategy, and used the same recording program.
except for the fact that your attributes are grossly inefficient and you use subpar equipment.
Gigamaster89
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except for the fact that your attributes are grossly inefficient and you use subpar equipment.
I don't know if you took offense or something, your equip is EXACTLY the same save the runes, which, if you read, I said that if your rich, you'd use sup. My attributes being inefficient is an opinion considering others don't think so.
Based on your "optimal equips", if people had that kind of stuff, they wouldn't be farming in the first place.
I'm going to take a wild guess that whatever your about to post next in regard to this post will be along the lines "it's not an opinion, it's a fact, blah blah blah", fact this then,
YOUR attributes are grossly inefficient.
Based on your "optimal equips", if people had that kind of stuff, they wouldn't be farming in the first place.
I'm going to take a wild guess that whatever your about to post next in regard to this post will be along the lines "it's not an opinion, it's a fact, blah blah blah", fact this then,
YOUR attributes are grossly inefficient.
JR
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Originally Posted by Gigamaster89
I don't know if you took offense or something, your equip is EXACTLY the same save the runes, which, if you read, I said that if your rich, you'd use sup. My attributes being inefficient is an opinion considering others don't think so. Based on your "optimal equips", if people had that kind of stuff, they wouldn't be farming in the first place. I'm going to take a wild guess that whatever your about to post next in regard to this post will be along the lines "it's not an opinion, it's a fact, blah blah blah", fact this then, YOUR attributes are grossly inefficient.
I'm sorry, but you simply ARE wrong. If you had any kind of in depth knowledge of this game you might possibly understand why. But you don't, and will not. It is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of simple statistics. Next time instead of taking things personally and getting your panties in a bunch, maybe try and understand exactly why you are wrong. It may actually make you a better player.
You could of course keep arguing that the world is flat, however.
You could of course keep arguing that the world is flat, however.
Despondency
I was fooling around with this last night... It's a great build... But I'm gonna make a few suggestions... Strength- A superior rune here isn't nescessary. 10 seconds of running is fine with 1 minor rune, and 1 point in it. After that, put one more point into healing prayers, for more survivability. My axe is a 15^50 Zealous of fort, so I don't kill quite as fast, but I don't want to switch hafts.
wheel
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I was fooling around with this last night... It's a great build... But I'm gonna make a few suggestions... Strength- A superior rune here isn't nescessary. 10 seconds of running is fine with 1 minor rune, and 1 point in it. After that, put one more point into healing prayers, for more survivability. My axe is a 15^50 Zealous of fort, so I don't kill quite as fast, but I don't want to switch hafts.
Thanks! The superior rune of Strength doesn't add that much damage to the build since Strength is largely worthless, but since I never have any situations where I'm close to dying, there's no reason not to put the superior rune in. The reason you might have problems with dying is because you're using a Zealous and not a Vampiric. The Vamp haft adds damage and heals you, so it's very important. Without the Vamp, I could see that you might have to bump up Healing to 2, maybe. But with it, you shouldn't ever die. Plus, you should have a Vamp Axe anyway. It's far and away the best damage mod for pretty much all weapons.
Gigamaster89
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Originally Posted by JR-
I'm sorry, but you simply ARE wrong. If you had any kind of in depth knowledge of this game you might possibly understand why. But you don't, and will not. It is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of simple statistics. Next time instead of taking things personally and getting your panties in a bunch, maybe try and understand exactly why you are wrong. It may actually make you a better player.
You could of course keep arguing that the world is flat, however. Instead of telling me I'm wrong, why don't you expand on that?
You could of course keep arguing that the world is flat, however. Instead of telling me I'm wrong, why don't you expand on that?
boxcarracers052
Similar to my build, except mine does more damage, gives more healing, and you don't need 3 sups.
wheel
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Similar to my build, except mine does more damage, gives more healing, and you don't need 3 sups.
I'd love to see it. Post the build.
holden
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Originally Posted by boxcarracers052
Similar to my build, except mine does more damage, gives more healing, and you don't need 3 sups.
hell yeah. i'd like to see it too.
wheel
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Originally Posted by Gigamaster89
Based on your "optimal equips", if people had that kind of stuff, they wouldn't be farming in the first place.
I'm going to take a wild guess that whatever your about to post next in regard to this post will be along the lines "it's not an opinion, it's a fact, blah blah blah", fact this then,
YOUR attributes are grossly inefficient.
You could of course keep arguing that the world is flat, however.
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even when cyclone axe is distracted, i still stay alive. unless it's distracted twice in a row, i'll be fine. that's a statistical risk (a very very small one) that i'm glad to take with the vastly increased performance that i get with the build.|
Originally Posted by Gigamaster89
Instead of telling me I'm wrong, why don't you expand on that?
I'll elaborate. Your attributes are completely out of whack. You have only 9 axe, 8 Strength, and 8 Healing. The biggest issue that I have with your build is the huge amount of healing that you have. Think about it. Why would you need 8 points of healing if you don't come close to dying on 8 Healing, so you should start scaling down Healing until you can't stay up live every time. When you do that, you can bring Healing down to like 3 or 4 without Vamp. With vamp, you can bring healing down to 1. Those points can be put into Axe and Strength. The points you've put into healing are DEAD. They do nothing for you. They're wasted attribute points; it's inefficient. Add that to the fact that Vigorous Spirit is unnecessary, and you start to see why your build isn't as efficient as it can be. I chose to put Strength of Honor into the build, which adds a lot of damage to Cyclone Axe. At any rate, overhealing is bad, and you should consider the impacts of it in every farming build that you design.
Gigamaster89
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I'll elaborate. Your attributes are completely out of whack. You have only 9 axe, 8 Strength, and 8 Healing. The biggest issue that I have with your build is the huge amount of healing that you have. Think about it. Why would you need 8 points of healing if you don't come close to dying on 8 Healing, so you should start scaling down Healing until you can't stay up live every time. When you do that, you can bring Healing down to like 3 or 4 without Vamp. With vamp, you can bring healing down to 1. Those points can be put into Axe and Strength. The points you've put into healing are DEAD. They do nothing for you. They're wasted attribute points; it's inefficient. Add that to the fact that Vigorous Spirit is unnecessary, and you start to see why your build isn't as efficient as it can be. I chose to put Strength of Honor into the build, which adds a lot of damage to Cyclone Axe. At any rate, overhealing is bad, and you should consider the impacts of it in every farming build that you design.
My updated build that I edited not too long ago used Balthazar's Spirit instead of Vig.
1. Balt does not require any attrib points. 2. Vig gets interupted. 3. You get energy back FAST so Bonetti is only used when your others are recharging. Your build works, but only with vamp, mines didn't use vamp because, well...I didn't have one, but really, for farming trolls, anything will work. Without vamp, keep in mind that your still getting hit 25% of the time, even with live vic at 8 or 9 or whatever, my health still dips quite low sometime. Of course if I used vamp, I definately would of agreed that less healing was necessary. P.S. I use Victo's, so yeah, now it's 20/20
wheel
You can run 4 healing without Vamp and still be just fine. I ran it just to test how much healing I would need with Vamp.
Don Zardeone
The video won't load for me so I hope someone can tell me:
Is this build able to kill off the entire cave (excluding the ranger boss, but including the warrior for now) in under 60 seconds? I could try it myself but I've never used the build so I'd probably do it too slow or even fail on the first few tries and I don't have much time now =/ From the looks of it, this build may be fast but the successrate may not be very high. What happens when cyclone gets disabled?
wheel
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The video won't load for me so I hope someone can tell me:
Is this build able to kill off the entire cave (excluding the ranger boss, but including the warrior for now) in under 60 seconds? I could try it myself but I've never used the build so I'd probably do it too slow or even fail on the first few tries and I don't have much time now =/ From the looks of it, this build may be fast but the successrate may not be very high. What happens when cyclone gets disabled? From start to finish, it takes 2 minutes from the time you exit Droknar's Forge to the time that the last troll drops. I only aggro the main group in the middle and the group ahead of them. The side groups and bosses slow you down because they're smaller mob sizes, and you can't aggro everything at once most of the time. When cyclone gets disabled, you swing normally, rely on Shield Stance until Gladiator's Defense is recharged. It's never been an issue when Cyclone Axe gets disabled. I always have at least a 100 HP buffer. Not even close to dying. XxXDrCrazyXxX
How do you edit ur movie and put music with it. I use gamecam but i cant figure out how to edit it. O and i thought u did a nice drop with ur build
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Gigamaster89
use Windows Movie Maker.
karunpav
Wow, this build is VERY nice. It works very fast, and a lot of times I was on the edge of my seat, just waiting for Cyclone to recharge half the time. All skills bought on my warrior, here I come.
brother derez
it didnt work for me, im using the same armor, the same runes, the same exact wepons as you too. and im having trouble doing it, i die when i have them to around half hp. tell me what im doing wrong.
XxXDrCrazyXxX
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use Windows Movie Maker.
I cant figure out how to put it in movie maker.
So what do i do? Solberg the Exiled
I tried this build out and I have to say, it's very effecient and fast. However, out of the 20 runs that I took. 2 times I had my cyclone axe disrupting chopped and as soon as that happens, you might as well be dead since you lost your method of gaining adrenaline as well as your method of healing. While swinging normally can recover some health, I find that it's usually not enough to keep you alive for too long even under a stance.
Other than that, it's quite good. But such is the case with relying too heavily on 1 skill.
Blaarg
I haven't tried this yet.. but how needed is the shelter axe grip? Could you switch it out for a 20% trollslaying grip and still be as, or more efficient?
Gigamaster89
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I cant figure out how to put it in movie maker.
So what do i do? Just drag it over =) Everything is self explanatory. XxXDrCrazyXxX
I finally figured out how to do thnx giga now i can start maiking my video
PHoenix is cool
The video doesnt seem to work for me, it says its been loading for ages but i dont trust it..
There are plenty of troll farming builds out there, I personaly use a build that some guy used for griffon farming. But it works perfectly! I can usually kill all the trolls in the cave including krogg in less than 5 mins.
wheel
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I haven't tried this yet.. but how needed is the shelter axe grip? Could you switch it out for a 20% trollslaying grip and still be as, or more efficient?
20% trollslaying would take the place of the 3/1 vampiric, which might be an ok switch, except you'd have to increase healing up to like 4 or 5 most likely, which means you'll have to take down your strength or something. the shelter mod isn't that important, to be honest, it's just the most efficient.
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