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Xenrath

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

W/Me

26 Apr 2006 at 12:43 - 41

Nerf = when something that is overpowered or too strong is reduced in effectiveness

Fix = when something is broken and not behaving how it's supposed to.

This is a fix, not a nerf. Not checked it but about time if it has been fixed.. now to fix the broken knights/enchanters and other bits of armour where one piece is as good as an entire suit

zamial

Site Contributor

Join Date: Apr 2006

Usa

TKC

N/

26 Apr 2006 at 13:18 - 42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hockster

Here's a tip for all the out of work stance tanks that don't have any idea of what to do next. Have a monk use Spellbreaker on you, you run out of everyone agro circle and hold agro. A smart monk will also cast Healing Seed and Vigorous Spirit on you. Now you can actually swing your axe or sword, you do remember how I hope, and heal yourself. All it takes is a second or two for the mobs to concentrate their wrath on the tank. They typically don't break agro unless some idiot casts an AoE spell.

Caster types of enemies will sometimes decide to wand the other parts of the group, but that doesn't do a whole lot of damage.

if you dont have any idea what hockster is talking about go into the fow with a fow tank and get "trained".this applys to everyone,not just the tank.as a rule of thumb leave 1 FULL AGRO CIRCLE of space between the tank and the ENTIRE PARTY.let the tank run in,count to 3 slowly,and then run up to the mops and heal/nuke/curse/(insert your thing here).the day of follow the tank into battle for ANYTHING is over.
on a slightly dif note thankyou a-net.now i will be able to find out first hand if the group im in is a smart good group or another noob run,and now i can quit the noob groups even faster,like at the 1st set of mops.

Maxiemonster

There is no spoon.

Join Date: Jun 2005

Netherlands

Mo/

26 Apr 2006 at 13:25 - 43

I'm glad about this. Finally I don't have to use these stupid bugs anymore (since I used to, just because it made FoW and SF alot easier), since that's what they were in my opinion.

pegasux

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

New Mexico < PUKE >

Elite Rogues Inc. [ER]

26 Apr 2006 at 14:04 - 44

It'a about time! The book gear trick was senseless and annoying! Now casters/stances will have to learn what the heck an aggro is and how to avoid one. All to often casters are worse then warriors at drawing unwanted aggro. All that is missing now is a kick button to kick aggro monkies!

Guiken

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2006

The Hellfire Club

Mo/N

26 Apr 2006 at 14:23 - 45

The one thing that kinda irritates me about this whole thing. Warriors still dont have a way to "hold" aggro, in many mmos you'll see a system of hate, and tanks get abilities to focus the aggro on them, taunt/provoke/whatever but guildwars isnt exactly like that, MOST of the time a tank can hold aggro, but occasionally, even when everything is done right I've seen mobs spontaneously decide to break off and go for another member, and with some of the nasties in FoW and other places 1-2 hit killing party members it turns into a quick death. Now if you're careful, you go slow and aggro everything properly, odds are you will be fine. But lets face it, if you're in a full group Statistically, at -least- 1 out of those 8 PUG members arent gonna be that bright and then what? You're whole group is screwed because of one moron. You can argue that "Wars need skill, they need to learn what to do" all day long, but playing a stancer among many other profs, that isnt so much the problem as another group member pulling aggro from YOU and having no way to recover it effectivley. What this argument falls back more on is "Everyone will need to be skilled, or no one in your group, no matter how skilled will be allowed to enjoy this conent"... Seems kinda boring, like standing around HA for hours looking for your R3+ iway...

Mr_T_bot

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2006

26 Apr 2006 at 14:26 - 46

I was going to say Protector's Stance would help those with both chapters but its just a crappy Ward Against Melee.

GloryFox

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Good ol' USA, where everyone else wants to be

Now Plays World of Warcraft on Whisperwind

26 Apr 2006 at 14:36 - 47

YES! no more stupid book tick for FOW! GO ANET! GO BP FOW TEAMS!

hunter

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

26 Apr 2006 at 14:46 - 48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guiken

The one thing that kinda irritates me about this whole thing. Warriors still dont have a way to "hold" aggro, in many mmos you'll see a system of hate, and tanks get abilities to focus the aggro on them, taunt/provoke/whatever but guildwars isnt exactly like that, MOST of the time a tank can hold aggro, but occasionally, even when everything is done right I've seen mobs spontaneously decide to break off and go for another member, and with some of the nasties in FoW and other places 1-2 hit killing party members it turns into a quick death. Now if you're careful, you go slow and aggro everything properly, odds are you will be fine. But lets face it, if you're in a full group Statistically, at -least- 1 out of those 8 PUG members arent gonna be that bright and then what? You're whole group is screwed because of one moron. You can argue that "Wars need skill, they need to learn what to do" all day long, but playing a stancer among many other profs, that isnt so much the problem as another group member pulling aggro from YOU and having no way to recover it effectivley. What this argument falls back more on is "Everyone will need to be skilled, or no one in your group, no matter how skilled will be allowed to enjoy this conent"... Seems kinda boring, like standing around HA for hours looking for your R3+ iway...

Thats because most other MMOs have raiding encounters, where its usually 20+ people vs a single boss that can 1 shot every person xpt for the main tank and takes 5 min to kill. Take wow for example. 90% of your time you are gonna face mobs with 10000x the amount of HP you have who can wipe your entire 40 man in 4 secs if left lose. In that scenario you need an agro system.

In GW, opponents are much weaker and realistic. Fights dont take that long and you are almost never fighting a 1 vs 40 scenario. Therefore you don't even need a hate system.

The second point is that the hate system makes for very boring battles. All you need is a very compenent tank and everyone else can be semi afk and get the encounters done w/o breaking a sweat. In GW if you are semi afk on a balanced UW run, you are dead.

And yes, in GW it takes skill to avoid these 2 hitting mobs from chaotic battles. Agro based battles in other MMOs, WoW in particular are just....boring

Snowman

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Wales, UK

Devils Scorpions

W/E

26 Apr 2006 at 14:54 - 49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guiken

The one thing that kinda irritates me about this whole thing. Warriors still dont have a way to "hold" aggro,

in many mmos you'll see a system of hate, and tanks get abilities to focus the aggro on them, taunt/provoke/whatever but guildwars isnt exactly like that,

Your right, Guildwars ISNT like that, which makes Guildwars different from other games in that its more difficult!... so what?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guiken

MOST of the time a tank can hold aggro, but occasionally, even when everything is done right I've seen mobs spontaneously decide to break off and go for another member, and with some of the nasties in FoW and other places 1-2 hit killing party members it turns into a quick death.

Its called AI!.. games are constantly striving to make their 'AI' engine more life like.. people are fed up with playing against 'stupid' AI Bots... we need a challenge!... if your not up for the challenge then GW isnt for you and you should try an easier MMO like WoW, where the AI is stupid and grinding is easy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guiken

"Everyone will need to be skilled, or no one in your group, no matter how skilled will be allowed to enjoy this conent"... Seems kinda boring, like standing around HA for hours looking for your R3+ iway...

If you cant handle a slightly improved AI, what hope do you have of fighting against a team of 8 real people if you can handle AI that isnt 'stuck' to attacking one player? ^^

Sid Doog

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

DR (Drunkin Rangers)

E/Me

26 Apr 2006 at 14:55 - 50

I for one am curious to see what happens when people (and alot of them ) get frustrated because getting FOW armor isn't so easy any more

Ira Blinks

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2006

26 Apr 2006 at 15:03 - 51

people will find a new ways to farm, true... what im afraid of is that those ways will not include eles

Ninetail Trickster

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

A pleasant place that needs more rain. T_T

The Rose Society

26 Apr 2006 at 15:03 - 52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sid Doog

I for one am curious to see what happens when people (and alot of them ) get frustrated because getting FOW armor isn't so easy any more

Ectoplasmic inflation ftw!
Figures. I finally gather my resolve to get my monk up and seared and all, and this happens. Now I'll like... have to play.... T_T

Ozric

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Texas

Phoolz Like Us

E/Me

26 Apr 2006 at 15:30 - 53

Bravo ANET!! I'd quit SF and FoW for the bore of the book/gear tricks. Ran SF with a full party last night for the first time in months w/out the gear. Had a great time!!

Oberon Shadowking

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

A Midsummer Night (AMND)

W/Mo

26 Apr 2006 at 15:49 - 54

Ok, so I think I get from this thread that A-Net has nerfed ORO five man gear farm, book farming in FoW, etc... So I'm with Snowman here:

WHY ISN'T IT DOCUMENTED??

I looked on Guildwars.com... updates page... no mention. Guildwiki seems to be down, or at least it's not working for me. Anyway, my point is: Why did I learn this from GwGuru instead of the regular site? I mean what the heck!

Personally, I'm sort of mixed feelings about the update. PuGs are gonna be REALLY hard to find with any skill. As if us tanks weren't misunderstood already, this is going to cause a LOT of bad blood between us poor tankers and everyone else. ("YOU STUPID TANK! Don'T AGRRO THEM TO ME!!!" "I DIDN'T, you STUPID MORON SQUISHY, YOU AGGROED THEM ONTO YOU!") And stuff along those lines.

Lady Erighan

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

Defenders of Gods

E/Me

26 Apr 2006 at 15:54 - 55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ninetail Trickster

Ectoplasmic inflation ftw!
Figures. I finally gather my resolve to get my monk up and seared and all, and this happens. Now I'll like... have to play.... T_T

This patch didn't make it that much harder to get to the Forge because most groups aquired the book just before they entered the Forge anyway. So it's only going to take a little bit longer to clear the 4-5 groups that surround the outer perimeter.

Josh

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

England, UK

D/Mo

26 Apr 2006 at 16:19 - 56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon Shadowking

Ok, so I think I get from this thread that A-Net has nerfed ORO five man gear farm, book farming in FoW, etc... So I'm with Snowman here:

WHY ISN'T IT DOCUMENTED??

I looked on Guildwars.com... updates page... no mention. Guildwiki seems to be down, or at least it's not working for me. Anyway, my point is: Why did I learn this from GwGuru instead of the regular site? I mean what the heck!

Personally, I'm sort of mixed feelings about the update. PuGs are gonna be REALLY hard to find with any skill. As if us tanks weren't misunderstood already, this is going to cause a LOT of bad blood between us poor tankers and everyone else. ("YOU STUPID TANK! Don'T AGRRO THEM TO ME!!!" "I DIDN'T, you STUPID MORON SQUISHY, YOU AGGROED THEM ONTO YOU!") And stuff along those lines.

It's not a nerf, it's a fix.

Ken Dei

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

W/Mo

26 Apr 2006 at 16:20 - 57

About friggin time they nerfed that exploit.

Akhilleus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

If it aint expensive, it aint worth buyin'.

Leading/Co-leading Bretheren Of Chaos [Dark]

W/Mo

26 Apr 2006 at 16:31 - 58

what annoys me is that anet is constantly "improving" the AI of the enemies; yet henchman AI remains at a level of incompitence rivaled only by the french military. they stand idly by, scratching their heads in dismay at the onslought, while they stand helplessly in a meteor shower/maelstorm/ice storm/your AoE of choice. and then when the enemy AI breaks off from henchman AoE skills, they henchmen chase them into the farthest corners of tyria, bringing various other assorted creatures down upon your party.
i'm all for increasing the AI of monsters, but for gods sake, its like the henchmen were recruited out of a special ed class...seeing as how they lower our xp/gold/drops just as much as any other human player, they need improvements. especially since (and only god knows how its even possible) many human PuG players make henchmen look like nobel laureates.

EternalTempest

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

United States

Dark Side Ofthe Moon [DSM]

E/

26 Apr 2006 at 16:46 - 59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akhilleus

what annoys me is that anet is constantly "improving" the AI of the enemies; yet henchman AI remains at a level of incompitence rivaled only by the french military. they stand idly by, scratching their heads in dismay at the onslought, while they stand helplessly in a meteor shower/maelstorm/ice storm/your AoE of choice. and then when the enemy AI breaks off from henchman AoE skills, they henchmen chase them into the farthest corners of tyria, bringing various other assorted creatures down upon your party.
i'm all for increasing the AI of monsters, but for gods sake, its like the henchmen were recruited out of a special ed class...seeing as how they lower our xp/gold/drops just as much as any other human player, they need improvements. especially since (and only god knows how its even possible) many human PuG players make henchmen look like nobel laureates.

From the radio interview, they stated they there focus is on henchmen AI. He stated that PvE with henchie's is part of the game and they will be actively working on this even after

I disagree with Anet on this part but in the radio interview, Factions should be much better with henchmen (the goal it is doable with henchmen) but they don't have the resource's to do work with C1 at this time (and sounds like there moving on) and re-balance the zone's and missions for tweaking c1 henchmen. Aka from here on out they should be fine to bring along but C1 will have to strugle.

Stabber

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Plane of Oblivion

Sigilum Sanguis [keep]

Me/W

26 Apr 2006 at 16:47 - 60

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guiken

and with some of the nasties in FoW and other places 1-2 hit killing party members it turns into a quick death.

Hunter has already given a fine answer to your post, and I just want to respond to this one sentence -- if any mob is killing you in two hits, then you have an absolutely terrible prot monk in your team. The only ones who can do this reliably are the Abyssal/Bladed Aatxe type monsters anyway, which are very easy to prepare for as they don't just randomly sprout from the ground like many other FoW/UW mobs.

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Unrelatedly, I have always maintained that PvE mobs should be simulations of semi-skilled PvP players. The AI is still very exploitable as the mobs don't realize when they are being ineffective and have no concept of shutdowns or target prioritization. Granted, the PvE mobs often do have unfair advantages, both in numbers and levels, but at the end of the day they are still AI. Figure out the AI and develop a counter. Unlike PvP, this can be done offline.

PvE as it currently stands, even post-bundle-aggro-fix, is too easy. There is only one mission (THK), and only a few quests (LDD, DNKP, 4 horsemen), that present any real challenge. Call me old fashioned, but I like to play games where my victory is not guaranteed.

Loch

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

26 Apr 2006 at 16:50 - 61

Quote:

The one thing that kinda irritates me about this whole thing. Warriors still dont have a way to "hold" aggro, in many mmos you'll see a system of hate, and tanks get abilities to focus the aggro on them, taunt/provoke/whatever but guildwars isnt exactly like that, MOST of the time a tank can hold aggro, but occasionally, even when everything is done right I've seen mobs spontaneously decide to break off and go for another member, and with some of the nasties in FoW and other places 1-2 hit killing party members it turns into a quick death.

How do you even know that the game was designed to play like an MMO? What makes you think that a typical aggro/hate system would work in Guild Wars?

You have a great chance of succeeding if you play the game as a proactive, aggressive team. Sure you can "tank and nuke", but is it really that efficient? In Guild Wars, a well-set-up offense works wonders to prevent your team from dying. Of course, many PuG's probably don't have the skill required to pull this off.

Read this whole thread for some enlightenment:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3015367

(btw, I don't think you need to go overboard with 5 warriors either, like suggested in the thread - a balanced team has enough tricks to play aggressively too).

Str0b0

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Carolina

N/Me

26 Apr 2006 at 16:56 - 62

Quote:

Originally Posted by Energizer Deth Buni

Amazing that they waited this long to nerf... maybe they wanted to make sure people wouldnt quit playing before they bought factions? They said it was because it interferes with the ritualist urn holding. Makes sense but why did they wait til today? They knew the ritualist would have to hold items along time ago. So whats nerfed next 55ing? I ll definitely quit if thats the case. Fine that they nerfed the gear/keg/book. Now warcamp is all BP groups. Lets talk about out of balance, soon everything will be BP groups and that will have to be nerfed, where does it end?

It would be stupid to nerf BP groups. They are like PvE IWAY, able to take on most things in the game. I honestly can only think of a few areas that a B/P group couldn't own and that's only because of a lack of exploitable corpses. It's just a matter of people using the skills in synergy like the devs had to figure we would. I mean 6 arrows a pop then a necro with fiends that's like doubling your rangers. Minions to tank and orders to supplement damage. I doubt B/P would get a nerf because there is nothing else to do after they nerfed Orders. I mean honestly what else could they do to the skills used to nerf the B/P group down that wouldn't make the skills entirely useless and create another unbalanced situation.

natuxatu

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

Wisconsin

Rt/Mo

26 Apr 2006 at 17:11 - 63

what's BP and PuG?

Anyway I used to do five man oro farming for a looong time before anyone knew about the gear and before anyone knew about the book... at least all the groups I was in. So it really doesn't make a difference to me. I think they should have fixed it, in a way it's just an increase in enemy AI.

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

26 Apr 2006 at 17:14 - 64

Well the only thing they could do to B/P is increase the cost of Barrage.

Which would then make the skill useless, so they're back to stage 1 of screwing up good builds just because they out-do everything else. Besides B/P aren't invincible.

I really am glad they removed the frigging book/gear/keg trick though. Getting sick of using my warrior for nothing but a punching bag. Although judging from ToA bonders are now wanted to bond entire teams for the full trip! All i can say is, no f*cking way!

Kriel Drache

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2006

Order of the Lady Renee

Me/Mo

26 Apr 2006 at 17:15 - 65

I think I'm about to be happier with Anet than I've ever been. No more gear trick means no more staple 5-man oro group. Other classes have the chance to farm for greens. That means that Mesmers may actually have a chance to find a group! Joy!

MSecorsky

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

Me/

26 Apr 2006 at 17:21 - 66

OK, no one's metioned the real reason for the fix... it wasn't because of farming or the like. It is because Ritualist ashes had the same aggro effect, so a ritualist holding ashes would suddenly become the center of attention. The aggro-fix had to be done, else ritualists (at least a major part of them) were doomed to obscurity.

Ghull Ka

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Seattle, WA

Grenths Helpdesk

N/

26 Apr 2006 at 17:26 - 67

Thank you for removing this AI choice from the game, Arena.Net -- I'm genuinely glad that it's gone, and I believe that the PvE experience will be better for it.

I'll leave it at that.

Str0b0

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Carolina

N/Me

26 Apr 2006 at 17:28 - 68

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evilsod

Well the only thing they could do to B/P is increase the cost of Barrage.

Which would then make the skill useless, so they're back to stage 1 of screwing up good builds just because they out-do everything else. Besides B/P aren't invincible.

I really am glad they removed the frigging book/gear/keg trick though. Getting sick of using my warrior for nothing but a punching bag. Although judging from ToA bonders are now wanted to bond entire teams for the full trip! All i can say is, no f*cking way!

It wouldn't make it useless it would just make B/P ranger buy more into expertise. Expertise is the energy nerf equalizer.

KvanCetre

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

The Madison Scouts

E/Mo

26 Apr 2006 at 17:31 - 69

Quote:

Originally Posted by natuxatu

what's BP and PuG?

BP is a British energy company with headquarters in London, one of the four vertically integrated private sector oil, natural gas, and petrol (gasoline) "Super Majors" in the world, along with Royal Dutch Shell, ExxonMobil, and Total.

The Pug is a small but robust toy dog breed with a compressed, wrinkly face.

evillorderic

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2005

Maryland

Orphans of Kukai (OOK)

Me/A

26 Apr 2006 at 17:33 - 70

MSecorsky makes a very vaild point. In fact, it kinda makes me wonder what ANET's *real* stance on gear farming was to begin with. It could be they figured they could kill two birds with one stone, fixing the ashes problem, and fixing the gear/book "bug". Or they may have been pinned against a wall and had no other choice.

A big problem I have seen with many of the replies in this thread is that people tend to think that their way is the *only* way to play GW. They assume that because they (for whatever reason) didn't like the gear trick, it was an exploit, and should be removed.

Don't get me wrong, for the most part I agree with the update. If ANET is trying to improve AI, then this change just makes sense! It doesn't make sense for all the monsters in SF to attack the tank just because he is holding a gear, same goes with the book in FoW.

This change will also raise the IQ in the warcamp considerably. The players that can play well and adapt will come out strong, while all the others who just took advantage of some build they found on the internet will be left in the dust.

Another advantage of this update will be the inflation of greens once more. With all the farmers green items really began to lack their value and rarity. For "perfect" weapons, it doesn't make sense that everyone should have them so easily. The people that have the talent to farm SF and control aggro (it's really not that hard) will be the ones that reap the benefits of the increase in cost and demand of greens.

Finally, 5 man farming as we know it is NOT dead, it just requires a higher intelligence. A group with a tank, SS, MM, healer, and bonder is still a good option, if not the best right now. (I'm not saying this will be the only way, I'm just saying that it will still be a viable option)

Frank Dudenstein

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

26 Apr 2006 at 17:58 - 71

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kriel Drache

That means that Mesmers may actually have a chance to find a group! Joy!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Oh Kriel, you amuse me with your naive, yet somehow refreshingly sanguine view of the GuildWars community.

Mesmers are nuanced, subtle characters that require a skillfully crafted build and adept timing. And the GuildWars community is, well, uh, well.... put it this way, have you ever spent 5 minutes reading the all-chat in any given district?

Lord Iowerth

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Atlanta, GA (#guildwarsguru FTW!)

Biscuit Of Dewm [MEEP]

R/Mo

26 Apr 2006 at 18:35 - 72

Quote:

Originally Posted by pixel.summoner

if I sent a kid into a bank with a donut, that doesn't mean all the law enforcers are going to surround the kid while I make a dash for the vault.

This is, by far, the best quote in this entire thread ... I lol'ed

And yay for no more book trick! My ranger just keeps getting more popular/in demand ... and that's never a bad thing. I'm just waiting for someone to cry nerf on B/P groups: most likely some hateful gear-holding stance tank with the word "leet" in his name somewhere.

All in all: good update! I would hate for my squishy ritualist to get mobbed every time I conjure an urn/pot/vase whatever you'd like to call those things

The New Guy

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

Southern CALI

Eraserheads

N/Me

26 Apr 2006 at 18:47 - 73

Quote:

Originally Posted by zakaria

can we expect SF greens prices will rise ? it will be hard to get and less chance to drop to you since the gear trick has been removed ..

If you're talking about the Gordacs and Bortaks stuff, then no. If you played in Cantha when the demo was released, and if you explored a little you would've seen a very nice COLLECTORS item for Necro's.

One has Max Damage (req 9 Death Magic)
20% Faster Casting (death magic)
20% Faster Recharge (death magic)
and btw, this is a wand/truncheon!

I also saw a 20/20 Monk Healing Wand - waaaay better than brohns'.

So yea....

Sir Skullcrasher

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

15 over 50 [Rare]

W/Mo

26 Apr 2006 at 19:05 - 74

sweet, no more books or gear trick! Guess my elementlist is finally needed in SF. I would think people will come up with different builds to effectively farm SF now there isn't gear, keg to hold the aggro. And we should see more 8 men team going in there now for farming purpose since 5 men team probably won't hold the aggro that well without getting slaughter.

Growling Octopus

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2006

No Soup For You

R/

26 Apr 2006 at 19:13 - 75

correct me if I'm wrong, but isnt this good news for sanctum cay runners?

Hippocheesebarn

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

USA

Greener Pastures [DVDF]

W/

26 Apr 2006 at 19:29 - 76

Honestly, this was a long time coming. The idea of all the enemies targeting the one holding whatever "important" quest item it was, was a good idea. Monsters would want to defend thier item just as much as you would want to defend the flag if you were to play some CTF. The guildwars community simply figured out how to take advantage of this, just like they have with other things ie: corner blocking. With the Dawning of factions and the ashes the ritualist would be using, it only makes sense that this change be implemented. Leaving the Guildwars community to have the gear trick whenever and where ever they wish to, is a horrendous idea. It would branch into other things, like implementing a rediculous amount of monsters with remove enchantment spells, or necros with Well of the Profane. It would not only rend the ashes useless (or attempt to combat it anyway), but it would rend every other enchantment useless due to the amount of removals that would have to be effectively put in place. This was a good move by Anet, and needed to happen in order to continue the balance that they work so hard to maintain.

Alexi Jotun

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

New York

Official SteamPowered Guild (Valves Valiant Tyrian Fighters, [VVTF])

26 Apr 2006 at 19:34 - 77

Its amazing, there are still people in Deldrimor War Camp spamming "Stance Tank LFG oro."

Sir Skullcrasher

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

15 over 50 [Rare]

W/Mo

26 Apr 2006 at 19:39 - 78

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexi Jotun

Its amazing, there are still people in Deldrimor War Camp spamming "Stance Tank LFG oro."

lol, they still want to gear/keg tank for oro group..

Carinae

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

Inside

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

26 Apr 2006 at 19:51 - 79

Quote:

Originally Posted by evillorderic

This change will also raise the IQ in the warcamp considerably.

You have very high view of people.

I bet we'll see IWAY and BP groups in SF anytime now.

Eviance

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Eh I forget... o_O

Biscuit of Dewm [MEEP]

R/

26 Apr 2006 at 19:58 - 80

I hated playing stance tank anyways - however I am highly amused at how many people want to see it nerfed.... Just wait till something you like (like 55ing) is nerfed and then see how you deal... You all say its an exploit, but its only an exploit to you if you don't like it - otherwise you whine about it... How pitiful, that so many people refuse to see both sides of the fence.

Ah and another thought... I really don't wanna hear anymore monks whine about how they got agro on them... Yes it can be controled and thats why there are at least partial stance tanks still - but crap happens and without the tricks its going to be even more unpredictable... Good Luck! ~_^