Over the last few months, I have heard a few necromancers tell me not to use heal area on their minions (horrors, terrors, ect) there reasoning is that monk healing spells "weaken" them and a few have said that the minions get -1 health regen for every monk spell cast on them. I am quite sceptical about the latter due to the fact minion health naturally degenerates with time and before they die (assuming they die by "natural" means) their health regen is -10, but the weakness comment I am not so sure about.
Anyway, I was hoping some experienced necromancers could confirm or deny this myth with facts or numbers or something. I'm not looking for a vote on how many people think it is true and how many don't so if you are going to post, offer some form of proof please.
My theory is that this mythe came from the area "mending spells" like Melandru's Stream (or whatever it is called) that states "Undead that get too close are weakened" and I believe the mythe to be false.
Thanks for your help guys.
"Your Heal Area is killing my minions!" a mythe?
Vahn Roi
Lint
HOLY Healing makes degen more, Only Holy. For ex: Heal area-Holy
Healing Spring-Not Holy
Healing Spring-Not Holy
BohemianKeith
Complete and utter myth, dont let anyone tell you that HOLY healing spells increase degen. Search for minions in the guildwiki and you'll see it there, also i have seen numerous tests posted in other forums to disprove this rumor.
Vahn Roi
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Originally Posted by guildwiki
# Minions are subject to constant health degeneration, starting at 1 "pip" of degen at summoning, and increasing by 1 pip of degeration every 20 seconds. (One pip of degeneration is -2 health per second.) While their actual health will never experience degeneration greater than -10 pips (20 health per second), they can have hidden degeneration greater than -10, if they have been "alive" long enough, that will counteract any regeneration from such skills as Verata's Sacrifice or Healing Breeze.
# Minions can be healed not only with necromancer spells like Verata's Sacrifice or Blood of the Master, but also with Monk spells like Heal Other. Contrary to some rumors, healing a minion with a Healing Prayers skill does not increase its degeneration. BhemianKeith are any of these test results posted on public forums that I could possibly view via link? If so I would love to take a look at them if it's ok with you.
# Minions can be healed not only with necromancer spells like Verata's Sacrifice or Blood of the Master, but also with Monk spells like Heal Other. Contrary to some rumors, healing a minion with a Healing Prayers skill does not increase its degeneration. BhemianKeith are any of these test results posted on public forums that I could possibly view via link? If so I would love to take a look at them if it's ok with you.
Bel Ebih
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3017074
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3015236
These two threads on the exact same topic are on the first and second pages right here in the Necro forums. So, was this thread really necessary?
To just answer your question, no, it's just a myth that is completely false. Holy Healing has no effect on minion degen. Period. Finite. Nothing to argue here. Still, I'm sure I'm gonna see another thread asking the same thing in the next coulple of days.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3015236
These two threads on the exact same topic are on the first and second pages right here in the Necro forums. So, was this thread really necessary?
To just answer your question, no, it's just a myth that is completely false. Holy Healing has no effect on minion degen. Period. Finite. Nothing to argue here. Still, I'm sure I'm gonna see another thread asking the same thing in the next coulple of days.
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by Bel Ebih
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3017074
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3015236
These two threads on the exact same topic are on the first and second pages right here in the Necro forums. So, was this thread really necessary?
To just answer your question, no, it's just a myth that is completely false. Holy Healing has no effect on minion degen. Period. Finite. Nothing to argue here. Still, I'm sure I'm gonna see another thread asking the same thing in the next coulple of days.
I see these every 2 days
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3015236
These two threads on the exact same topic are on the first and second pages right here in the Necro forums. So, was this thread really necessary?
To just answer your question, no, it's just a myth that is completely false. Holy Healing has no effect on minion degen. Period. Finite. Nothing to argue here. Still, I'm sure I'm gonna see another thread asking the same thing in the next coulple of days.
I see these every 2 days
bobrath
Real easy to test. Get your self a necro. Have him summon a minion. Click go on your stop watch - then stop it when the minion dies.
2nd time - as soon as the minion is summoned, do a heal area that encompasses the summon. Since it was just raised you won't be undoing any degen but if there is some sort of holy healing effect it would be triggered. Start and Stop your stop watch as above.
Notice that the two times are the same. End of Test, End of Myth (we wish)
2nd time - as soon as the minion is summoned, do a heal area that encompasses the summon. Since it was just raised you won't be undoing any degen but if there is some sort of holy healing effect it would be triggered. Start and Stop your stop watch as above.
Notice that the two times are the same. End of Test, End of Myth (we wish)
kaldak
not only is it a mythe, its also a myth 
proof? spam holy at a minion and watch it not degen any faster than time would account for.
proof? spam holy at a minion and watch it not degen any faster than time would account for.
Veron
Heal Area may be more common now, considering V-Sac was nerfed to uselessness and BotM is now unspammable.
Poison Ivy
Not ture at all.
ShazBo
lol ya I tell MMs when I play as my monk to not worry cuz I'm a MM myself. I know for a fact that the degen is time based not spell based
Iori Shozu
Also note that minion degen can go way below 10 because given enough time(granted b4 veratas was nerfed); a minion with a +10 from veratas + healing breeze(yea it was a test) would still eventually degen itself which would equal out to a total of 20 regen and 30 degen granted at that it takes about an hour to reach that kind degen but it can happen. Max affectable(meaning that is noticed in movement of health bar) is 10 either way.
B Ephekt
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Originally Posted by Lint
HOLY Healing makes degen more, Only Holy. For ex: Heal area-Holy
Healing Spring-Not Holy Please don't spread false information.
Healing Spring-Not Holy Please don't spread false information.
Manic Smile
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
*beats self sensless*
enough with this already...NOT TRUE...UTTER MYTH...COMPLETE BULL...JUST WRONG...
*beats self sensless*
enough with this already...NOT TRUE...UTTER MYTH...COMPLETE BULL...JUST WRONG...
Manic Smile
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Originally Posted by Veron
Heal Area may be more common now, considering V-Sac was nerfed to uselessness and BotM is now unspammable.
? BotM spamming is the only way to go now that VS is broken...if you mean it eats your life that is very true but /mo and /rt or even some blood skills can make constant BotM spamming not a problem...Carinae Dragonblood has a invicinec MM BotM spammer that looks pretty interesting.
Skuld
are ppl so lazy they haven't even tested before spreading lies?? THEY DEGEN FASTER BECAUSE THEYARE ALIVE LONGER -> HEALING MAKES THEM LIVE LONGER FIGURE
Iori Shozu
Also note you are a necro you have a weakness to holy spells this doesnt mean that you heal for less or take damage from heal spells. Undead are weak to holy damage not healing why else would skeletons have bonders and damned clerics simple fact is only time increases their degens or spells/effects that cause degen
Carinae
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Originally Posted by Manic Smile
Carinae Dragonblood has a invicinec MM BotM spammer that looks pretty interesting.
Shhhhhhhhh.
Just kidding. I need to post the new build.
Just kidding. I need to post the new build.
Unchain
*stabs self in hand*
Heal Area...doesn't...make..minoins degen...fasteerrr...
*falls to the ground*
Heal Area...doesn't...make..minoins degen...fasteerrr...
*falls to the ground*
pork soldier
Nec/Mo is the ultimate minion master, spam sac skills to heal your minion army then follow up with a heal area to heal yourself and your minions. I've done this forever, so have most other minion masters I know.
Angel Develin
You know what this means right?
*Myth Busters*
you call them or should I do??
*Myth Busters*
you call them or should I do??
Unchain
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Originally Posted by pork soldier
Nec/Mo is the ultimate minion master
I always loved N/R and still do. N/Mo is perhaps IYO the best MM, but that doesn't make it ultimate. Serpents Quickness and Healing Spring are two of my favorite skills to bring along. Serpent's helps the recharge on Animate Vampiric Horrors and Animate Flesh Golem a lot.
And no, Heal Area does NOT make your minions degen faster.
And no, Heal Area does NOT make your minions degen faster.
Nevin
Its true from what I know. I tested it during a Thirsty River run.
Minions auto-degen stop at 10 degen, correct? And Vereta's Sacrifice gives 10 regen. Okay I waited for one of my minions to get to 10 degen, how could I tell? I put Vereta's on it and it canceled out (No degen or regen). Then I casted Heal Area, its health started going down.
Minions auto-degen stop at 10 degen, correct? And Vereta's Sacrifice gives 10 regen. Okay I waited for one of my minions to get to 10 degen, how could I tell? I put Vereta's on it and it canceled out (No degen or regen). Then I casted Heal Area, its health started going down.
Worthington
No, then Degen does not stop at 10.. but only 10 pips can be active at a time. So,after enough time your minions will be degening at -11, 12, 13, etc. Veratas cancels the first 10, leaving the minions with whatever degen is left over.
Iori Shozu
I believe I mentioned the degen thing earlier apparently people dont read the whole thread.
With only being able to raise 10 minions I rarely even use botm anymore I usually just replace old minions with new ones even if it means killing that really cool tiger or crab. Death nova suddenly became alot more fun as you are gonna sacrafice em anyways =p
With only being able to raise 10 minions I rarely even use botm anymore I usually just replace old minions with new ones even if it means killing that really cool tiger or crab. Death nova suddenly became alot more fun as you are gonna sacrafice em anyways =p