Damage Comparison: Assassin vs. Warrior

Assassin's damage output and warrior doesn't have much different, but they have their own style.

Assassin's damage is stable, every attack's damage is about the same.
Warrior's damage starts low until adrenalines are charged.

Assassin require at least 7 attack skills (as in times you use an attack skill) to kill, Warrior only need 4

So my conclusion is that Warriors are capable of sudden burst of damage, while assassins are not capable of surprises. Also, Assassins are more vulnurable to SS like skills, but less vulnurable to Sympathetic Visage and Soothing Image.


Reply 1: Nope, assassin's attack skill take 12 seconds to recharge on average, just about time adrenaline charges. Your analysis is half-assed. This thread shouldn't even be allowed to continue, because you're just basing your point on conjecture, rather than field-testing and number-crunching. Check the number-crunching. You'll find that Assassins are very capable of surprises. This thread really should be locked. It serves no benefit whatsoever.

Your analysis is half-assed. This thread shouldn't even be allowed to continue, because you're just basing your point on conjecture, rather than field-testing and number-crunching. Check the number-crunching. You'll find that Assassins are very capable of surprises. This thread really should be locked. It serves no benefit whatsoever. Warriors are predictable, Assassins are even more predictable.

One major difference bwteen the two.

Warrior: Your Eviscerate gets blocked...damn, well at least you can follow in with your Executioner's Strike and Penetrating Blow.

Assassin: Your lead attack gets blocked...damn have fun waiting on the recharge. From what I've seen, the best assassins don't even use Lead attacks. And the good ones I've seen that do have a secondary lead.

Also, an assassin that's playing in a predictable way is an assassin that's screwed/useless. You have to be able to keep your opponent on their toes, warping in and out of battle seemingly at random and jumping the targets that have been left undefended in the chaos.

Warriors are predictable, Assassins are even more predictable. No, you're a fool who's barely played Assassins at all but yet think you know enough to go making asinine conclusions and comparisons between Assassins and Warriors. Your entire point in this thread is entirely contradicted by actual number-crunching.

You don't know what you're talking about. Stop posting until you do.

However, if the enemy has a defense, you're outta luck This is the key to the Assassin - selecting your targets very carefully. The Assassin's role is to pick out the weakest link (i.e. the one with the least defense) and then spike it to death in, IMO, less than 10 seconds.

I've been tinkering with an A/W build that carries Wild Blow to help eliminate any stances being used by the target to help reduce this risk (and gives you a critical strike from the getgo to boot). Using Frenzy as well is an interesting thought, sacrificing all defense for the quick kill.

I find once i've dropped 3/4 conditions on my target who cares what dmg i'm doing (well i do but not as much as a warrior). Unfortunatly yes the assasin can stand and deal a constant lvl of dmg but but it CANT stand and tank the dmg back like a warrior making it logical to be hit and run condition stacker. I'll tell you who cares, the RC/Prot standing in the background that you gave a free 300 health heal to. In a PvP environment all those conditions really won't help you. It just gives Prots a reason to stand and laugh at you stacking conditions on 1 person while they reduce everything you just did to 0 in a single Mend/Restore Condition spell.

Also how doesn't SV affect an Assassin as much as a Warrior? Warriors lose there energy and adren completely but can still hurt you more (8-18 for daggers isn't it?). Assassins lose there energy removing all there damaging combos. Doesn't help if you start spamming an attack chain and run out of energy after the 2nd move.

Edit: If you think bringing Frenzy on a A/W just for a 'quick' kill is smart i think you may need your head examined. Your armour is sub-warrior as it is, 1 hammer warrior waiting for you to activate Frenzy w/ full Adren is just gonna annihilate you. You'd be so much better off bringing Tigers Fury and sticking to targets without evasive stances.

This is the key to the Assassin - selecting your targets very carefully. The Assassin's role is to pick out the weakest link (i.e. the one with the least defense) and then spike it to death in, IMO, less than 10 seconds.

I've been tinkering with an A/W build that carries Wild Blow to help eliminate any stances being used by the target to help reduce this risk (and gives you a critical strike from the getgo to boot). Using Frenzy as well is an interesting thought, sacrificing all defense for the quick kill. Did I not say warriors had a better time dealing with defenses than assassins do? But yeah, if you're half warrior, you've got both worlds going for ya...

Also, that combo mentioning the thumper, you've got to deal 4 attacks to do your damage correct?

Some will crit or not, all things depending right?

How about this?

Unsuspecting Strike, Entangling Asp, Temple Strike {E}, Twisting Fangs
If conditions stick, [they sometimes do, even on a smart team...], you've pretty much guarunteed a kill... yay for massive degen!

If not, what's this?

Unsuspecting Strike, Fox Fangs, Horns of the Ox, Falling Spider

Oh yeah, let's not forget to put in Critical Eye and Locusts Fury {E} as our dmg support buffs.

I'd bet higher odds on the sin's 4 attacks doing more damage easily... With 16 dagger mastery and 20% more double striking, along with boost in crits, Good God the dmg dealt!!!

But again, if they have a good defense, no dmg is dealt... bah...

Assassins need to stick to atacking monks and rit, type targets...I havnt pvp vs AS in the last few days, but warrior owns them, Bad...run little fellow, kiss my hammer............I personally think they SUCK You have no idea how many assassins i've seen think 'Flashing Blades' will save them due to the blocking vs Warriors. The more i see that, the more i'll bring Wild Blow just to end there fun. That or just stick to laughing at them fall on there arse vs Irresistable Blow.

An axe warrior can do 26 dps without any attack skills, 40 with frenzy, and can spike for 250-300 with two skills every 10 seconds, 7 under frenzy. I'd really like someone to find an assasin build that can mimic that. Warrior's are going to stay as the only damage class, and I still don't know where the sin fit's except as a NPC killer/flag runner harasser. Yes, it makes perfect logical sence that if your base dps is 26, using a skill that doubles your attacking speed, it'll jump to 40... No wait. Frenzy makes you attack twice as fast, the description is shit. You get 300 dmg from Evis+Exec if you count DW in and crit on the other hit and the other hit has to be quite high, too. Not that likely, unless the target is running and you crit on both hits(and if he runs your spike is gonna be slow as hell anyway).
I'd like to see you getting 8 adrenaline in 7 seconds... You can't seriously calculate it if you're hitting people that don't kite.
I agree that Warriors do more dmg, but it still doesn't mean Assassins can't get a place in the group as a damage dealer, because they have other things than just attacks. Assassins do decoy spikes pretty well btw, especially effective to do them on enemy Warriors, it forces the Monks to come and heal him, which makes the real spike easier to do on the enemy Monks.
Example: 2 Warriors+Mesmer+Ele spike a Monk, while the Assasins alone start a spike on a Warrior 1 second before.