Awesome, more rank discrimination! Just what we all needed!
SLuiP
I don't see no downside about this.
axe
As much as it pains me to say it (being the rank 0 fame 0 player that I am) I feel that there should be rank descrimination, those players that earned their emotes spent hours upon hours in HA to get that emote, while I have only ran into the zaishen in HA. I would love to get into a good group and win halls, everyone would. But you have to start at the bottom.
When you do get to rank 6/9 etc. you will feel like you accomplished something and you should be proud of it.
Unfortunately for me I just dont have the time to be competitive in HA so I will enjoy as much of getting flawlessed by the zaishen as I can take, until I build a friends list of pvp players that are decent and we casually grind our way to that coveted deer emote.
If it was easy as pie to get those emotes you wouldnt want one as much anymore. The same is true with the PVE titles, I have ran all over the continent and spent lots of hours playing the game and I still have 20% more of the map to uncover. When I do that I will feel like I accomplished something, there was no reason for me to uncover certain areas of the map till now.
Also I feel like the rank/title system adds a certain feeling of reality to the game because if we look at it like a Roleplaying game, we will see that in this fantasy world there would be descrimination of people who did not have a title. I love being abused in HA by the r3+ players because honestly it feels real to me. I dont know how else to describe it.
When you do get to rank 6/9 etc. you will feel like you accomplished something and you should be proud of it.
Unfortunately for me I just dont have the time to be competitive in HA so I will enjoy as much of getting flawlessed by the zaishen as I can take, until I build a friends list of pvp players that are decent and we casually grind our way to that coveted deer emote.
If it was easy as pie to get those emotes you wouldnt want one as much anymore. The same is true with the PVE titles, I have ran all over the continent and spent lots of hours playing the game and I still have 20% more of the map to uncover. When I do that I will feel like I accomplished something, there was no reason for me to uncover certain areas of the map till now.
Also I feel like the rank/title system adds a certain feeling of reality to the game because if we look at it like a Roleplaying game, we will see that in this fantasy world there would be descrimination of people who did not have a title. I love being abused in HA by the r3+ players because honestly it feels real to me. I dont know how else to describe it.
R. Mindwalker
Even more ranking systems. Even one for drinking beer....
I dont like this system at all. It might show what you did in the game but most especially PVP players hammer to must on it.
People start to do famefarm builds so they can join good teams, most of the time also fame farm builds.
I maybe the first to stop guildwars because of the shitty rankingsystem. I dont want rank, i dont need it. Get some good friends and play with those, aka Your guild. Or for people how hate guilds just some friends that can play good.
Ive played with rank 3 - people for weeks now. They are just as good as the rank 9 + people. But the rank 3's dont ragequite when the infuser gets rank 2 who just got every spike against a rangerspiketeam that spiked good.
Its teamplay not rankplay. Were not the army for god sacks.
I dont like this system at all. It might show what you did in the game but most especially PVP players hammer to must on it.
People start to do famefarm builds so they can join good teams, most of the time also fame farm builds.
I maybe the first to stop guildwars because of the shitty rankingsystem. I dont want rank, i dont need it. Get some good friends and play with those, aka Your guild. Or for people how hate guilds just some friends that can play good.
Ive played with rank 3 - people for weeks now. They are just as good as the rank 9 + people. But the rank 3's dont ragequite when the infuser gets rank 2 who just got every spike against a rangerspiketeam that spiked good.
Its teamplay not rankplay. Were not the army for god sacks.
Akhilleus
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It's still retarded... I recently got into PvP, and I am an EXTREMELY good PvP monk as well as mesmer (i've had compliments from rank 6-12 people many times) Yet, those compliments don't matter. What matters is that damn wolf, tiger, or phoenix....that's it. You could be the best monk ever, and because your rank 2 like I am, you can't get a good PUG group. Rank discrimination is retarded, as are the people who perform it. That's my two cents.
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Ah the wonders of rank....
I have lost count of the amount of times someone has come up to me in town & flashed their cherished emote at me while I'm trying to put a PUG together for a UW/FOW/SF run. By flashing that emote they are automatically excluded for being a stuck up themselves egomaniac. Sorry to burst your bubble people but rank does not mean you are a good player, especially in PVE. When did rank = knowledge of skills? I've completed UAS in PVE & have an understanding of all the skills available, but I don't have any rank at all. I just won't go near HA at all because of the elitist mentality there. |
well, not 100%.
i would like to start pvping in HA, but i 100% R E F U S E to take the easy way out. theres nothing i'd love more than to do it with balanced groups, but unfortunatly, unless you have rank, the best you can hope for is a balanced group that makes it past the first match. one of my most despised GW attitudes is that of the HA rank junkie...people who do nothing but fame-farm, and wont so much as talk to people without a decent rank...and the sad part is, 99.9% of the time, they arent even that great. HA is routine routine routine, or at least thats what the dozen rank 9+ people on my f-list tell me...which means while a ranked person knows what to do and when, it also means that the whole mindset is counter-intuitive to origionality. the standard argument people will give you when you propose a modified build is "thats not how its done" they will completly disregard the idea as total lunacy; unless of course it were coming from a player more highly ranked than themselves, or a team that cleaned them out using the idea; in which case it all of a sudden becomes bloody genious, and every half-wit rank junkie tries desperatly to copy the idea.
does this mean every ranked player lacks origionality? hell no. it just means that most can not do a damn thing in GW without the build, equipment, and method being spoon-fed to them, and then they have the odacity to disciminate? that is what disgusts me.
anyone can learn how to play the maps in HA given time...not everyone has the ability to think for themselves.
Misa
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This really is a response to player requests. Rank is rank, and displaying it more exactly is precisely what players have requested. Frankly I don't see the downside of this. If rank has been used as a barrier, that's not the intent. Rank is a reward for accomplishment, a way to call out what you've achieved. You are what you are, and therefore, you should be able to show it loud and show it proud!
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It was bad enough that only r3+ can use emote, now with the additional rank display system r3- still can't show their rank.
chance
I think the Titles will actually benefit people. Knowing that you're a solid random arena monk with 50+ 10-win streaks is a legitimate monk in my book. I've never rank discriminated and I look down on those who do. But the fact of the matter is, the really good teams, NEVER PUG. They play with people off their friendlist and that is it. Those aren't really PUG players.
Rank is definitely not a definition of skill, currently my guild sits within the top 10, Saihatsu Ashi [sai], and we have at least 4 players of our top, core 8 that aren't even Rank 6. (Some aren't even Rank 4) They just never tombed much, but I will say our players as about just as good as anyone else (if not better in some guilds cases).
Basically if you've played with someone and you liked playing with them, add to friendlist, get to KNOW people that run groups. They'll be more happy to take you once they know you can play, regardless of rank. (The issue is actually getting a chance to prove yourself).
Elhaym Chance / Saline Chance [sai]
Rank is definitely not a definition of skill, currently my guild sits within the top 10, Saihatsu Ashi [sai], and we have at least 4 players of our top, core 8 that aren't even Rank 6. (Some aren't even Rank 4) They just never tombed much, but I will say our players as about just as good as anyone else (if not better in some guilds cases).
Basically if you've played with someone and you liked playing with them, add to friendlist, get to KNOW people that run groups. They'll be more happy to take you once they know you can play, regardless of rank. (The issue is actually getting a chance to prove yourself).
Elhaym Chance / Saline Chance [sai]
heach
I think the new title system is better, for example, the 90 elite skills ones is great. That means you did spend a lot of time doing things which really amazing.
Especially that will be very hard to cap all 90 elite skills among many characters.
Why I don't like rank system? I expenice a boring time when I see IWAY group is everywhere at HA(or once called tomb). Because I don't want to play any IWAY build, it's very hard to find a group. I spent a lot of time just standing there, doing nothing. Sometimes I will get in a PUG group, but we meet IWAY most of the time -- and lose. So it's very hard to earn fames that time, and IWAY group got many fames. This is sick. I can even see some R3/6 IWAY group forming. Many ppl are farming fames via IWAY happily, but not those who didn't play IWAY.
I want to play HA very much, but I can't afford to spend so much time to do nothing there. Finally, I gave up, with R2(fame 87), and play PvE instead of PvP.
So what can I do if I want to return back to HA? Hope the new title system will help me.
Especially that will be very hard to cap all 90 elite skills among many characters.
Why I don't like rank system? I expenice a boring time when I see IWAY group is everywhere at HA(or once called tomb). Because I don't want to play any IWAY build, it's very hard to find a group. I spent a lot of time just standing there, doing nothing. Sometimes I will get in a PUG group, but we meet IWAY most of the time -- and lose.
So it's very hard to earn fames that time, and IWAY group got many fames. This is sick. I can even see some R3/6 IWAY group forming. Many ppl are farming fames via IWAY happily, but not those who didn't play IWAY.I want to play HA very much, but I can't afford to spend so much time to do nothing there. Finally, I gave up, with R2(fame 87), and play PvE instead of PvP.
So what can I do if I want to return back to HA? Hope the new title system will help me.
Ashleigh McMahon
I've played since the release... i'm still rank 2 xD
I guess pvp isn't my thing?
Ashleigh
I guess pvp isn't my thing?
Ashleigh
ExDeity
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I'm guessing anyone with enough of an opinion to post in reply knows what I'm talking about here. Prior to today's update groups forming in HA could only see whether or not you were below rank 3, 6, 9 or 12. Thus teams formed accordingly, ie. r3+, r3/6 and even 6/9. Now this was all fine and fair and good until people started using the 5/6 and 8/9 convention for recruiting teams. Of course, the logical result of this was that people who were r3-4 and r6-7 claiming to be r5 and r8 respectively. I'm not saying that was right - basically they were lying about thier rank, since party leaders couldn't prove otherwise. It could be argued that the 5/6 and 8/9 party formations basically worked on the honor system to discourage lower ranks from joining, or that the raging rank discrimination was so bad that only having recognizable ranks every three levels gave people a way (albeit, a little dishonest one) to get into these groups.
Now people in your group can see exactly what rank you are. There's no fudging it anymore, making the 5/6 and 8/9 formations actually enforcible. My question is, do we REALLY need MORE rank discrimination? Part of me says this is only making things worse, but part of me says it's a good thing to empower party leaders. I haven't made up my mind on this one yet...have you? -Jessyi |
When I decide to take GW more seriously and try to move up to higher levels of competition, there will be a sense of accomplishment in acquiring rank over time. It is a motivation to keep playing PvP, when, in theory, it is even more "dull" than PvE could ever try to be. Thankfully, there are new ways to play the game every month, and rank does nothing to make the game less enjoyable. On the contrary- I have talked to some players who basically told me that if not for rank, they would be done with this game, seeing as how it's something to continually improve upon and the PvE game can be 100 percent completed in a short amount of time.
killyall
I agree 100% that this is rank discrimination, as the saying goes; The rich get richer, and the poor get nothing. There is no upside except showing that you are "skilled" but that is not the correct term, a skilled player can be any rank, for example - an sb/infuser, some people's reaction time is faster than others thus making them better infusers, but with this rank - argh it just piusses me off. "LF 1 rank 6+++ infuser PST" this is complete rank discrimination. Sure they want an exp monk there is no question about that. BUT NOT ALL EXP PLAYERS ARE RANK 6+, infact a monk is the hardest way to earn fame. ANd then there's IWAY... rank 3 doesnt mean jack if you IWAYED all of it, it just pisses me off to see everything like this, we need to ENCOURAGE new players into PVP, but instead we are DISCRIMINATING them. I myself is rank 5, and happy that i iwayed non of it. But for something to be fun, you need more people, and that sure as hell isnt happening i myself try to help all the noobs and tell them the bright side of pvp... But some people, rank 3? no? dont want you. ANd then the person just quits PVP if he just joined to see how it is.
People say, join a guild! But what?? Have you ever seen a guild not calling out for r3+ only?
Add people to your list and play with them, this is also bad, cause adding tons of people into your list will make you forget who everyone is.
So guys, stopp this bullshit alright?
~killyall
People say, join a guild! But what?? Have you ever seen a guild not calling out for r3+ only?
Add people to your list and play with them, this is also bad, cause adding tons of people into your list will make you forget who everyone is.
So guys, stopp this bullshit alright?
~killyall
Teh Mighty Warrior
So how exactly can you tell? Is it beside your name? I'm r5 atm, and I must admit, I have lied my way into r5/6 groups countless times. I guess I can always lie about my fame 
EDIT: R3 doesn't mean jack if you didn't iway it either @ the above poster.
EDIT: R3 doesn't mean jack if you didn't iway it either @ the above poster.
asmo
I don't like it, i'm a pve based character, and if people want others in their group with high ranks, i have no rank,8 fame on my char, 10 altogether, therefore, if i wanted to try out pvp, people wouldn't accept and i can't take any henchmen because there aren't enough to go in with a full group.
makosi
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This really is a response to player requests. Rank is rank, and displaying it more exactly is precisely what players have requested. Frankly I don't see the downside of this. If rank has been used as a barrier, that's not the intent. Rank is a reward for accomplishment, a way to call out what you've achieved. You are what you are, and therefore, you should be able to show it loud and show it proud!
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Kool Pajamas
I want an explanation to why Rank 2 and lower cant show their title. Whats the purpose of even having a title for it if they dont allow it to be shown?
ions
I don't bother with 8on8 because it takes 15- 30 minutes to set up a group: checking skills, waiting for players etc.... Who can be bothered?
I just play Random Arena cause I don't have time to just sit and wait for players to organize. I see the solution beeing in Random. I really hate waiting for groups to organize even in PvE. This just totally turns me off.
One Idea I just thought of is why doesn't GW allow you to choose self created skill templates once you get into a random team. You choose your template in the 30 seconds before the start of the game according to your teammates proffesions. Once the game starts it CAN'T be changed.
Make teams random. Make pre-determined templates available so I can adjust to my random teammates. Have ranks in 4on4. Have 1on1, 2on2, and 3on3.
I think Randomization is the solution to the above mentioned problem.
A very good rating system that doesn't discriminate is the one used in WarCraft 3.
I just play Random Arena cause I don't have time to just sit and wait for players to organize. I see the solution beeing in Random. I really hate waiting for groups to organize even in PvE. This just totally turns me off.
One Idea I just thought of is why doesn't GW allow you to choose self created skill templates once you get into a random team. You choose your template in the 30 seconds before the start of the game according to your teammates proffesions. Once the game starts it CAN'T be changed.
Make teams random. Make pre-determined templates available so I can adjust to my random teammates. Have ranks in 4on4. Have 1on1, 2on2, and 3on3.
I think Randomization is the solution to the above mentioned problem.
A very good rating system that doesn't discriminate is the one used in WarCraft 3.
twicky_kid
Bottom line here rank is going to do in pve what it did in HA. Make getting a group harder and take more time.
Getting a group in HA before rank took no time. I'm not just talking random professions thrown together. I'm talking a cordnated build put together in 10-15 minutes.
My friend has been doing PvE in factions all day today and he has been stuck at 1 mission for 3 hours. He is a rank 10 player. PvE is much harder in factions than ever before. Lets not even mention the healer hench is pure garbage. So now we are forced to find real players for monks and sort through rank.
This is not a step in the right direction. We want to make getting PUGs easier. You don't want to make it harder and lock the little guys out.
I honestly do NOT recommend this game to new players. PvE was an environment which new players and casual can come and enjoy some entertainment. Now the same problems pvp has and the same reasons people do not play pvp are now crossing over to PvE.
Getting a group in HA before rank took no time. I'm not just talking random professions thrown together. I'm talking a cordnated build put together in 10-15 minutes.
My friend has been doing PvE in factions all day today and he has been stuck at 1 mission for 3 hours. He is a rank 10 player. PvE is much harder in factions than ever before. Lets not even mention the healer hench is pure garbage. So now we are forced to find real players for monks and sort through rank.
This is not a step in the right direction. We want to make getting PUGs easier. You don't want to make it harder and lock the little guys out.
I honestly do NOT recommend this game to new players. PvE was an environment which new players and casual can come and enjoy some entertainment. Now the same problems pvp has and the same reasons people do not play pvp are now crossing over to PvE.
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I don't bother with 8on8 because it takes 15- 30 minutes to set up a group: checking skills, waiting for players etc.... Who can be bothered?
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Also I have doubts wether the players in RA are social enough to adjust to their team.... But who knows...
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Fantus
I only skimmed the thread, so I am sorry if this already has been brought up...
Have you guys considered that the new system will also have the effect of LESS rank discrimination in some areas, too? Formerly, all r0-r2 have been effectively treated as being r0, so you couldn't really play in any decent group unless at least being r3. I guess r1 and r2 players will have a way easier time to get into groups now then before. r3 and r4 people are usually not really willing to take unranked persons into their group, but lots of them don't mind having an r2 player since they have at least some experience and know the first couple of maps well enough.
Just a thought...
Have you guys considered that the new system will also have the effect of LESS rank discrimination in some areas, too? Formerly, all r0-r2 have been effectively treated as being r0, so you couldn't really play in any decent group unless at least being r3. I guess r1 and r2 players will have a way easier time to get into groups now then before. r3 and r4 people are usually not really willing to take unranked persons into their group, but lots of them don't mind having an r2 player since they have at least some experience and know the first couple of maps well enough.
Just a thought...
R. Mindwalker
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I only skimmed the thread, so I am sorry if this already has been brought up...
Have you guys considered that the new system will also have the effect of LESS rank discrimination in some areas, too? |
The major screw over they made at Arena Net.
THEY FORGOT GVG RANK. i mean personal rank. When you make all these new ranks do it good. Now only the guild as hole benifits from a victory, but personally you dont get anything besides Baltazahars faction.
*global unlock ftl*
akruan
I believe that everybody, who thinks they are been discriminated because of their rank. And there is alot of people in here that does. They should step up, start their own group and invite people to their group. Maybe you'll lose a lot. Honestly you are supposed to lose alot. I mean, out of thousands of players do you really think you'll be able to win everytime on 7 or 8 maps? If you don't get invited because of your rank, Make a group, get people together, stay together, train together and pretty soon you'll be sending all those IWAY rank 9 fame farmers to hell It just takes patience, practice and smile everytime the zaishen owns you. It's part of the game. If you spend all your time complaining, you'll never make it.
Edge Martinez
Just run IWAY with some rank 0's. You can probably get the build off these forums. Get rank a few kills at a time. Will it build skill? Hell no... but neither will playing with 8 rank 0 players. You can get rank 3 in no time and bluff it with some group while soaking up all the good advice you can. Yeah... your inexperience screws them, but it was rank, not experience, that they were asking for, right?
Some folks call it cheap. You can call it doing what you have to do to play the game.
Some folks call it cheap. You can call it doing what you have to do to play the game.
Fantus
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Sorry to say, go read the hole thing. Rank Discrimination will now ALSO happen in PVE because of all the ranks you can get there. Ofcourse you can show with the rank you have now, but its just not good enough for some people.
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The major screw over they made at Arena Net.
THEY FORGOT GVG RANK. i mean personal rank. When you make all these new ranks do it good. Now only the guild as hole benifits from a victory, but personally you dont get anything besides Baltazahars faction. *global unlock ftl* |
Thom
If I'm an experienced player, I want to be playing with peers. I was playing with a friend's friend who was really horrible the other night. His play was simply dragging the team down. If I didn't have a means to discriminate, I would never bother playing PUGs. Some days I want to wait an hour for the right group of players, other days I'll grap any old team for a quick match.
Tombs is a well-developped style of play with dozens of teams playing at a high level. This makes tombs interesting to competitive players. The chaos of IWAY is much preferred to the total chaos of the early days of guildwars. Rank stratification supports this interesting level of play.
There is a barrier to entry, but it really isn't that much: a good run with an organized unranked group can get you 6 fame (3 wins). A typical run to HoH will be 5ish wins and 15 fame. 30 good runs or 12 trips to halls and you are rank 3. In less than 20 hours you should be able to flash bambi. The biggest barriers to getting R3 is a lack of skill and a lack of a developped friends list.
Tombs is a well-developped style of play with dozens of teams playing at a high level. This makes tombs interesting to competitive players. The chaos of IWAY is much preferred to the total chaos of the early days of guildwars. Rank stratification supports this interesting level of play.
There is a barrier to entry, but it really isn't that much: a good run with an organized unranked group can get you 6 fame (3 wins). A typical run to HoH will be 5ish wins and 15 fame. 30 good runs or 12 trips to halls and you are rank 3. In less than 20 hours you should be able to flash bambi. The biggest barriers to getting R3 is a lack of skill and a lack of a developped friends list.
KitsunE81
I think you people should stop complaining and start playing the game, don't do IWAY or any FotM build for fame, play what you think is fun, cause this is a game and it's meant to be fun, I got my rank by playing builds I enjoy to play, Sometimes I don't even care about getting a higher rank, I just wanna play and have fun.
There are so many unranked people out there that make groups, go join theirs, if they're good add them to friends to play with them some more later.
The only thing Rank really is good for are pugs, and pugs suck, if you want to get fame and rank, I'd suggest you join a good Guild that lets you play, you have to play with people you like and know.
There are so many unranked people out there that make groups, go join theirs, if they're good add them to friends to play with them some more later.
The only thing Rank really is good for are pugs, and pugs suck, if you want to get fame and rank, I'd suggest you join a good Guild that lets you play, you have to play with people you like and know.
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I think you people should stop complaining and start playing the game, don't do IWAY or any FotM build for fame, play what you think is fun, cause this is a game and it's meant to be fun, I got my rank by playing builds I enjoy to play, Sometimes I don't even care about getting a higher rank, I just wanna play and have fun.
There are so many unranked people out there that make groups, go join theirs, if they're good add them to friends to play with them some more later. The only thing Rank really is good for are pugs, and pugs suck, if you want to get fame and rank, I'd suggest you join a good Guild that lets you play, you have to play with people you like and know. |
If they want to sing and dance at how rank has absolutely no bearing on skill and is just used to discriminate against them while they're trying to get in to higher rank PUGs (hypocritical, much?), let them.
Ps. QFT.
ERMC
when will people stop whinning about the rank system and just play the freaking game. There are players in the HA thread that got together and formed a group of unranked players and play together why can't the OP do that or anyone else whinning in this thread. Rank means nothing but yet unranked players want into the high ranked groups.
oh pls if a player stops playing pvp because of that they need to stop playing all MMO games because that is just the way it is. If the word noob bothers new players so much they need to get thicker skin
"oh no someone i don't know and will never meet called me a noob i'm never coming back to HA again that will show him"
again stop saying you need rank to get in groups and you need to get in groups to get rank. When I started tombing i was unranked and went through the same crap everyone that starts goes through a month later i got my first emote. It felt great to know i earned that. Now i have my friends list full of people i tomb with and we form groups and we are all different ranks. The new players don't want to go through that they want the emote as soon as they zone into tombs. They want a rank 9+ pug to take them in and hold halls for 2-3 hours so they can get the fame without work. The losing and getting in beginner pugs is a good thing. You learn just as much if not more from losing then you do from winning. One more thing start your own group and add people to your friends list if you really want to go to HA and play in some pvp there.
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"oh no someone i don't know and will never meet called me a noob i'm never coming back to HA again that will show him"
again stop saying you need rank to get in groups and you need to get in groups to get rank. When I started tombing i was unranked and went through the same crap everyone that starts goes through a month later i got my first emote. It felt great to know i earned that. Now i have my friends list full of people i tomb with and we form groups and we are all different ranks. The new players don't want to go through that they want the emote as soon as they zone into tombs. They want a rank 9+ pug to take them in and hold halls for 2-3 hours so they can get the fame without work. The losing and getting in beginner pugs is a good thing. You learn just as much if not more from losing then you do from winning. One more thing start your own group and add people to your friends list if you really want to go to HA and play in some pvp there.
Energizer Deth Buni
This is awful there is no title for 55ing.... Grand Master of Hoping a Dying Nightmare doesnt pop up
Fay Vert
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oh pls if a player stops playing pvp because of that they need to stop playing all MMO games because that is just the way it is. If the word noob bothers new players so much they need to get thicker skin
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ANet needs to solve the problem of getting new players into this, I approve of the rank emotes and being able to display what you have earned. But the fact is, and I really wish Gaile would acknowledge this, the rank system IS being used to discriminate and exclude people. You can't blame players for doing this, it's a competative game and you don't want a weak link on your team.
What is needed is a system where low ranked teams will play against other low ranked teams to earn experience and work their way up.
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Originally Posted by Thom
If you have 50 10-streaks in random arenas, I'll take you as a monk even if you don't have a bambi; that was a hard case to make before titles.
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jules
Like it or not, HoH is not designed for the casual player. Getting a decent group together can take almost an hour, and some matches can last way longer than GvGs. Remember the ultimate goal in playing HA maps is to hold HA, and (if successful) that will take up plenty of time.
I struggled with being r0 and had no guild support whatsoever in getting to r3, so I know how it feels starting out in HA with everyone asking for r3 teams. If you are rankless but know your stuff, whisper whoever's forming a group and communicate honestly, telling them your build. Chances are if you know what you're talking about, you will be let into a r3 pug and if you don't you may get some friendly advice about your build. If they're rude to you they're probably not worth playing with anyway.
If nothing else the new titles will help stop players from lying about being rank 5 when they have only r3 and force them to play with players of their own rank.
I struggled with being r0 and had no guild support whatsoever in getting to r3, so I know how it feels starting out in HA with everyone asking for r3 teams. If you are rankless but know your stuff, whisper whoever's forming a group and communicate honestly, telling them your build. Chances are if you know what you're talking about, you will be let into a r3 pug and if you don't you may get some friendly advice about your build. If they're rude to you they're probably not worth playing with anyway.
If nothing else the new titles will help stop players from lying about being rank 5 when they have only r3 and force them to play with players of their own rank.
that red guy
Facts:having rank doesn't make you good,
a rank 0 can be just as good as a rank 12, not as likely but possible
rank is a measure of your sucessful time in heros, not how good you are with a specific class,
people who have rank are more likely to know what they are doing then unranked people,
it is definatly possible to get into sucsesfull unranked groups
a rank 0 can be just as good as a rank 12, not as likely but possible
rank is a measure of your sucessful time in heros, not how good you are with a specific class,
people who have rank are more likely to know what they are doing then unranked people,
it is definatly possible to get into sucsesfull unranked groups
Cottage Pie
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Originally Posted by Akhilleus
i agree completly.
well, not 100%. i would like to start pvping in HA, but i 100% R E F U S E to take the easy way out. theres nothing i'd love more than to do it with balanced groups, but unfortunatly, unless you have rank, the best you can hope for is a balanced group that makes it past the first match. one of my most despised GW attitudes is that of the HA rank junkie...people who do nothing but fame-farm, and wont so much as talk to people without a decent rank...and the sad part is, 99.9% of the time, they arent even that great. HA is routine routine routine, or at least thats what the dozen rank 9+ people on my f-list tell me...which means while a ranked person knows what to do and when, it also means that the whole mindset is counter-intuitive to origionality. the standard argument people will give you when you propose a modified build is "thats not how its done" they will completly disregard the idea as total lunacy; unless of course it were coming from a player more highly ranked than themselves, or a team that cleaned them out using the idea; in which case it all of a sudden becomes bloody genious, and every half-wit rank junkie tries desperatly to copy the idea. does this mean every ranked player lacks origionality? hell no. it just means that most can not do a damn thing in GW without the build, equipment, and method being spoon-fed to them, and then they have the odacity to disciminate? that is what disgusts me. anyone can learn how to play the maps in HA given time...not everyone has the ability to think for themselves. |
you go Ahk!!
I think it's obscene that copy-catters who have probably never thought of anything they do themselves will discriminate against others...but that's only the extension of their lack of imagination. Messing about with skills is bloody fun, a shame they'll never know that fun. It's like not speaking to someone cos they have less gold than you...
Jessyi
Just as a "for the record", on the day I started this thread I:
1) Networked my way into a skilled group of guildies
2) Beat up Adult Swim on GWTV
3) Got my r3 by winning HOH for my first time (we were There Is No Cow Level [cow])
If it weren't for my having complimented one of thier [cow] players for his character name having a reference to Lexx in it, I'd have never met them. Sometimes a few well placed words and a little persistence is all it takes - hey, your enemies ARE your friends. I mean, you want to join them, right? They WILL be your friends.
So in response to the speculation that I'm frustrated by the rank system discriminating aganst me...well, at the time, nothing could be further from the truth. If anything, I dare say I was the happiest person in GW with the new system (oh, did I forget to mention this was all on the day the patch with the new titles was implimented?).
I asked a question, and you guys gave me an answer. I thank you all for your input (even Gaile...like...whoa, what an honor).
edit: Oh yeah, one thing I forgot: To all you folk saying that IWAYing your fame doesn't mean jack all in reflection to your experience, I pose one question. Don't you think those IWAYers learned anything from the people beating the snot out of them?
-Jessyi
1) Networked my way into a skilled group of guildies
2) Beat up Adult Swim on GWTV
3) Got my r3 by winning HOH for my first time (we were There Is No Cow Level [cow])
If it weren't for my having complimented one of thier [cow] players for his character name having a reference to Lexx in it, I'd have never met them. Sometimes a few well placed words and a little persistence is all it takes - hey, your enemies ARE your friends. I mean, you want to join them, right? They WILL be your friends.
So in response to the speculation that I'm frustrated by the rank system discriminating aganst me...well, at the time, nothing could be further from the truth. If anything, I dare say I was the happiest person in GW with the new system (oh, did I forget to mention this was all on the day the patch with the new titles was implimented?).
I asked a question, and you guys gave me an answer. I thank you all for your input (even Gaile...like...whoa, what an honor).
edit: Oh yeah, one thing I forgot: To all you folk saying that IWAYing your fame doesn't mean jack all in reflection to your experience, I pose one question. Don't you think those IWAYers learned anything from the people beating the snot out of them?
-Jessyi
jules
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3) Got my r3 by winning HOH for my first time (we were There Is No Cow Level [cow])
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Just thought of another upside to being able to display your rank: PUG leaders in HA can look for players more actively instead of spamming in all chat and waiting for a response. Should help speed up group formation a little.
MSecorsky
Whatever people think of my ranks or lack thereof, I've had fun getting them (or not) and will continue to do so, making their opinions highly irrelevant. I don't HoH, so this attitude has served me quite well.
I will, however, 12 v 12 and fully expect to be able to form a party of four (if needed) without trouble and just have fun.
I will, however, 12 v 12 and fully expect to be able to form a party of four (if needed) without trouble and just have fun.
Navaros
There is no downside to this at all.
Finally players can no longer lie about their rank to get into parties based on false pretenses and that is awesome.
Want to get into better parties? Go earn your rank like those in the best parties have done.
Finally players can no longer lie about their rank to get into parties based on false pretenses and that is awesome.
Want to get into better parties? Go earn your rank like those in the best parties have done.
tomcruisejr
iway rank = spike rank = balanced rank = whatever build rank
what makes them equal?
"Rank is rank".
it's how you win, not what you use in order to win.
what makes them equal?
"Rank is rank".
it's how you win, not what you use in order to win.
raloth556
I think rank should have an even greater effect. ANet has succeeded in making this a skill based game; someone new to PVP should not have to face people with tons of experience and vice versa. The PvP areas should have zones restricted by rank so new players can face other new players. If the system is having trouble making a match then it can start to match people with more disparate ranks. High rank groups should not earn as much points for killing lower ranks. The distribution of players amongst the ranks would need to be more evenly distributed, than it is currently.
Almost every competitive setting has adopted something similar it only makes since the GW do the same.
Almost every competitive setting has adopted something similar it only makes since the GW do the same.