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Lasher Dragon

Draconic Rage Incarnate

Join Date: Apr 2005

Iowa

Alphahive

R/A

28 Apr 2006 at 16:16 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by zulu123

Has any developer fcking seen how much any FOTM weapon costs? Where does one get the gold required for all these?

There you go, fixed it for ya.

Max weapons are cheap. Weapons with special skins and FOTM mods are expensive.

tONYY

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

28 Apr 2006 at 16:17 - 42

gEEk!!

ShadowFyre

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

Reality is a great place to visit, but I couldn't live there.

Mo/N

28 Apr 2006 at 16:25 - 43

The idea of creating builds and using thme to the maximum is all for those whom like the idea of being ultimate. Not sharing your build is fine by all. Those who make builds for general use then they feel free topost. You can't tell anyone to not post.

Farming in general, you may try to restrict theposting of certain areas. But in the ned someone will feel the needto share and willpost. They will nerf the zone for a while to make people find a new area if they haven't already. That's the purpose behind Anet. They are the law enforcment of GuildWars. They feel that an area is over used they will shut it down til a time when it isn't as popular. For the beginning i'd say 3 weeks of Factions people will have thier own zones that are not know. Collecting items while others are finding things they aren't. That is why people farm. Too find an item that no one has and sell for the best price possible. The whole purpose behind farming.

I myself have come up with at least in general 4-6 builds that I haven't shared. For the sole purpose of not wanting people to change or ask questions about what I could do to change it for their benefit. Example: A troll build I had made. It was for axe warrior and a friend had seen my notes on it. (Yes. I write all my builds down in a 3-ring journal to save for later use. Or for making changes.) And he wanted me to change it around for a sword Warrior. I don't make builds for myself then go around changing it all to fit someone elses needs. My builds are my own for the sole purpose of using to my advantage. Simple as that.

Anyone who wants to post about feel free. You want to see everyone on Guild Wars: Factions have a good time and experience. So do your own thing and share. For whom don't wish to share then don't. Keepyour spots to yourself and make cash. You can't force upon or ask an extreme majority to go by youe own set rules. Therefore just do what makes the experience of the game enjoyable for yourself not for others.

Phrozenflame

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

28 Apr 2006 at 16:31 - 44

Quote:

Originally Posted by zulu123

Although I personally would never stoop so low as to NOT share my builds/spots (if I have any)... I guess the op has the right to protect his farming spots. Especially if Anet tracks down these spots and nerfs them.

What I get pissed off is the company itself... Anet. First there is the hard limitation of being able to use only 8 skills. Then they force us to constantly change and adapt to the changing scenarios and different mobs. These changes need different builds, armor sets, weapons, etc, etc. This is not a game where one build, one armor set and one weapon works anywhere and everywhere like other games *cough* World of Warcraft *cough*

Has any developer fcking seen how much any decent weapon costs? Where does one get the gold required for all these? Why dont they try to do something productive like controlling the inflation OR trying to implement an auctioning system in the game? Instead all they keep doing is nerf different builds that allows you to earn some much needed gold OR nerf some good farming spot.

How the hell are the supposed to control an inflation? Buy limiting supply or demand, depending whats causing it. Decent Weapons are cheap to get, infact they are free to get, go figure. Look at the hyporcracy of your post, You want a place where ppl can earn lods of cash, and at the same time you want to control inflation? Ever wondered why the Governments didnt start mass publishing currency notes to pay all their bills? You think governments are stupdid when they take billions of dollars of loans? You think those economists who spend like dunno...entire lifes studying economics and go work in federal banks are idiots? when they could just print more money and exchange it and get all the dollars they need?

When everyone has more money, they will all be willing to pay more, hence hyper inflation, it will just kill the new players.

ANet has done a great job so far. keep nerfing where nerfs are required.

ShadowFyre

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

Reality is a great place to visit, but I couldn't live there.

Mo/N

28 Apr 2006 at 16:33 - 45

Quote:

Originally Posted by wsmcasey

I made a goal to not spend any money and farm for 1 hour every day over the past 2 weeks before the factions release.

I started with 10k.

I finished with 300k.

I know you can make money faster if you buy and trade items, but the market isn't stable at the moment because of the factions release. I'll go back to buying and trading when the smoke clears.

Great job. I did the same thing. Started 3 weeks ago with 23k. On this day, I now have 456k and a few unsold ecto. Waiting for all the confusion such as price raising/dropping is going to end sometime. All you have to do is set a limit of days that you not buy anything and only save will aid you in getting items later at a more stable price. Although I have endulged on the drop in rune prices in hopes that they will indeed increase again. Example: Monk Superior Runes/ Absorbtion Runes/ Vigor Runes...I save all my mods from items I salvage and the materialsfrom them. Sell here and there. Keep most for any new character I pre-make a build for. Then go with it. All you need to do if you want to have mroe fun is use a character already made. And farm areas of decent pay. Save it up for a while. Then see the end results.

Phrozenflame

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

28 Apr 2006 at 16:42 - 46

had 120k,

1 hour farming everyday, keep drops, know the prices, now 260k in ~week

NinjaKai

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

UK

Duality Of The Dragon

28 Apr 2006 at 16:43 - 47

Great just what the farming community needs a fascious dictator. Your doomed to fall.

edit: We don't need politics in here, thanks - Lasher Dragon

Big_Iron

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

The Edge

Tormented Weapons [emo]

28 Apr 2006 at 16:48 - 48

So many people have made this argument time and time again. There are over a million copies of GW out there. No, not everyone is really playing and there are people who have more than one account. But let's say that about a 1/4 million really play it. Of those maybe another 10% farm a lot. That's about 25,000 farmers (not including bot farmers). If you find that perfect farming spot and the perfect build for it, chances are someone else has too or will real soon. Do you really think that many people will be quiet? Be realistic. It's a stupid argument, not to mention childish and selfish.

Finally, it's A FREAKING GAME!!! It's supposed to be fun. If you take farming this seriously, please go outside and get some fresh air. While you're out there, you might even see a real live person you can communicate with and who knows what then. Maybe even get a life?

Iskrah

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

SsS

R/

28 Apr 2006 at 16:49 - 49

[irony]
Guys, if ever you find out that the best way to get rich is to win HoH, just don't tell anybody, 'kay? And if ever you know that that one little lucky drop will net you more than the rest of your 9 months farming, just don't tell anyone either, 'kay?
[/irony]

Seriously, the OP must be a lovely person to know in real life, no kidding. Talk about greed.

The New Guy

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

Southern CALI

Eraserheads

N/Me

28 Apr 2006 at 17:08 - 50

Quote:

Originally Posted by WoodyDotNet

Finally, it's A FREAKING GAME!!! It's supposed to be fun. If you take farming this seriously, please go outside and get some fresh air. While you're out there, you might even see a real live person you can communicate with and who knows what then. Maybe even get a life?

I seriously agree that this is just a game, but believe it or not, some people take it more seriously than us. For some of us, "Life" is going out with friends, hangin' out with our gf/bf, smoking weed, stealing cars, and etc....for some, playing GW and taking it seriously is their life. NON of us has the right to tell other people how to live their life as how we see fit. No flame intended on you, it just annoys me everytime I see someone say "get a life" in regards to how other people take this game more seriously and how much time they put in this game.

Str0b0

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Carolina

N/Me

28 Apr 2006 at 17:09 - 51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iskrah

[irony]
Guys, if ever you find out that the best way to get rich is to win HoH, just don't tell anybody, 'kay? And if ever you know that that one little lucky drop will net you more than the rest of your 9 months farming, just don't tell anyone either, 'kay?
[/irony]

Seriously, the OP must be a lovely person to know in real life, no kidding. Talk about greed.

I am a lovely person to know in real life once you get to know me. I enjoy long walks on the beach, puppies, fine dining and travel. Why do you want to date me or something?

Kylie Minon

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

Argentina

Acolitos del Tango [AR]

N/Me

28 Apr 2006 at 17:16 - 52

I was wondering when GW would start feeling like Lineage...

Thanks to OP for clearing it out

ShadowFyre

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

Reality is a great place to visit, but I couldn't live there.

Mo/N

28 Apr 2006 at 17:20 - 53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Str0b0

I am a lovely person to know in real life once you get to know me. I enjoy long walks on the beach, puppies, fine dining and travel. Why do you want to date me or something?

I like cookies..*pulls out cookie from jar and looks at you* My cookie. *pulls toward self and turns slightly so you can't see cookie* But meh. You seem like a good person and willing to defend anything you post with logic and not sheer force. If you have MSN Messenger I wouldn't mind chatting with you sometime. But to stay on topic. Its good to see that ,many people share veiws and are not totally refusing to acknowledge anothers input. Sharing is for the better, but keeping increase your own joy. Simple yet sutle.

EternalTempest

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

United States

Dark Side Ofthe Moon [DSM]

E/

28 Apr 2006 at 17:22 - 54

As long as you have a forum with public knowledge it will be known and to be honest even if it was "hidden" anet knows.

They can look at wealth account and look at there movement patterns or even have a simple if X character enter Y zone more then X times per Y time frame = log that for closer look.

Remeber when they removed a chest in one of the shiverpeaks zone and the forum was "OMG oh no" by a very select few and the rest where "there was a chest there?" (aka anet new about it but the fourms did not in mass)

I agree to this, if you don't want your special spot to be "public" to tell it to the world. 9 out of 10 times someone else will find it and make it public knowledge.

ShadowFyre

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

Reality is a great place to visit, but I couldn't live there.

Mo/N

28 Apr 2006 at 17:24 - 55

Quote:

Originally Posted by The New Guy

I seriously agree that this is just a game, but believe it or not, some people take it more seriously than us. For some of us, "Life" is going out with friends, hangin' out with our gf/bf, smoking weed, stealing cars, and etc....for some, playing GW and taking it seriously is their life. NON of us has the right to tell other people how to live their life as how we see fit. No flame intended on you, it just annoys me everytime I see someone say "get a life" in regards to how other people take this game more seriously and how much time they put in this game.

Very well said. Well said indeed. I myself am one of those whom play GuildWars seriously. I may spend on average about 7-8 hours a day on the game but I still find time to be with my friends , family, and my mate. I use the weekends for such times. But during the week after college classes is when i spend alont of time playing Guild Wars. To let time go by faster you could say. And keeps my mind going trying to think of new builds or strategies. Which that is what Guild Wars is about strategies. Not ,"Going in with arms flailing.", inother words go in and beat the snot til it dies sorta game. That is what has me you could say addicted in a light way to the game. I love a challenge and Guild War provides just that.

Big_Iron

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

The Edge

Tormented Weapons [emo]

28 Apr 2006 at 17:30 - 56

Quote:

Originally Posted by The New Guy

I seriously agree that this is just a game, but believe it or not, some people take it more seriously than us. For some of us, "Life" is going out with friends, hangin' out with our gf/bf, smoking weed, stealing cars, and etc....for some, playing GW and taking it seriously is their life. NON of us has the right to tell other people how to live their life as how we see fit. No flame intended on you, it just annoys me everytime I see someone say "get a life" in regards to how other people take this game more seriously and how much time they put in this game.

No offense taken. I realize that to a few people, this game is very important and I mean no offense to them at all. It's just when I see stuff like this, it really bugs the poop out of me. As noted here, this is a public forum and the game itself is supposed to be about community. If the OP doesn't want to share his builds, more power to him. But it's ludicrous to ask others not to share.

Ctb

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

W/

28 Apr 2006 at 17:43 - 57

To all the people whining that he doesn't want to share his "uber cool" stuff with you...

If it really bothers you, please take note that you could just as easily assume he's lying through his teeth to either agitate people or make himself feel better. It doesn't matter which perspective you choose to view the claims from since he precluded any possibility of proving them one way or another.

Newsflash: the world contains emotionally unstable people who try to exert dominance in unhealthy ways. Learn to deal with it, because they're everywhere in both cyber and meatspace.

BellyFlop

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

28 Apr 2006 at 17:48 - 58

Quote:

The Herbalizer
ill keep quiet. I have a few prophecies places which noone knows about. got myself a nice place to get lots of gold summit items. got another where i get runes and lots of gold weps. will i say? sure as hell i wont

i just think it is dumb to tell people when you can farm the shit out of it make a ton of gold. after that i would say

I dint read all the treads cos i tired off piss heads with this type of comments, but just a note to you, why don’t you visit a non community forums, cos a community one is when people share and help people out and not acting like a spoil twat with that comment. I know something but I am not telling anyone! That’s like kindergarten crap.

If you know a good spot just don’t say it full stop don’t some and say you know of one and you not telling.

Same thing applies to Str0b0 maybe u the one that need a bone to keep you mouth shut cos it sound like thats what you like to do.

If u want to blame someone blame Anet or now called NerfNet. If they keep doing this I see the casual gamer stopping playing the game, cos not everyone got 8hours a day to play this game if they do they would be playing the other game.

What is the chance of a casual gamer getting FOW? Ebay? Maybe that’s what they want!

Well they say with great proud that Lv20 is just a number and they don’t want people to lvs up like if they were in a treadmill or something like that, but this game now feels more and more like a treadmill, just the LV stays at 20.

Chris1986

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

New Jersey

28 Apr 2006 at 17:53 - 59

To the first poster:

I think your request goes against what these forums and the Guild Wars community are about. I, for one, will share any builds and spots I find.

Cottage Pie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

Birmingham, England

Taking Aegis

Mo/Me

28 Apr 2006 at 17:57 - 60

Quote:

Originally Posted by zulu123

Although I personally would never stoop so low as to NOT share my builds/spots (if I have any)... I guess the op has the right to protect his farming spots. Especially if Anet tracks down these spots and nerfs them.

What I get pissed off is the company itself... Anet. First there is the hard limitation of being able to use only 8 skills. Then they force us to constantly change and adapt to the changing scenarios and different mobs. These changes need different builds, armor sets, weapons, etc, etc. This is not a game where one build, one armor set and one weapon works anywhere and everywhere like other games *cough* World of Warcraft *cough*

Has any developer fcking seen how much any decent weapon costs? Where does one get the gold required for all these? Why dont they try to do something productive like controlling the inflation OR trying to implement an auctioning system in the game? Instead all they keep doing is nerf different builds that allows you to earn some much needed gold OR nerf some good farming spot.

Your answer: greens, collectors and crafters.

Your problem is solved.

The Herbalizer

<3 Ecto

Join Date: Jul 2005

28 Apr 2006 at 18:03 - 61

Quote:

Originally Posted by BellyFlop

I dint read all the treads cos i tired off piss heads with this type of comments, but just a note to you, why don’t you visit a non community forums, cos a community one is when people share and help people out and not acting like a spoil twat with that comment. I know something but I am not telling anyone! That’s like kindergarten crap.

If you know a good spot just don’t say it full stop don’t some and say you know of one and you not telling.

Same thing applies to Str0b0 maybe u the one that need a bone to keep you mouth shut cos it sound like thats what you like to do.

If u want to blame someone blame Anet or now called NerfNet. If they keep doing this I see the casual gamer stopping playing the game, cos not everyone got 8hours a day to play this game if they do they would be playing the other game.

What is the chance of a casual gamer getting FOW? Ebay? Maybe that’s what they want!

Well they say with great proud that Lv20 is just a number and they don’t want people to lvs up like if they were in a treadmill or something like that, but this game now feels more and more like a treadmill, just the LV stays at 20.

LOL. *After reading thread, goes back to counting ectos and admiring my fow armor. After that I organise my item collection worth many millions of gold*

Above comment says it all really. Go farm trolls or something lol. Cookie cutters ftl. People are poor because they all flock to forums looking for cookie cutter ways of making gold. Those who go out and find new ways of making gold succeed.

ShadowFyre

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

Reality is a great place to visit, but I couldn't live there.

Mo/N

28 Apr 2006 at 18:15 - 62

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ctb

To all the people whining that he doesn't want to share his "uber cool" stuff with you...

If it really bothers you, please take note that you could just as easily assume he's lying through his teeth to either agitate people or make himself feel better. It doesn't matter which perspective you choose to view the claims from since he precluded any possibility of proving them one way or another.

Newsflash: the world contains emotionally unstable people who try to exert dominance in unhealthy ways. Learn to deal with it, because they're everywhere in both cyber and meatspace.

Sure the world contains people in such a manner. I'm not the most emotionally stable either. Hell I'm currently on about *looks at dresser* 4 different types of mood medications. But, to see someone come to a community style forum and game. Then say, "Don't share.." Is like going to a track meet, enter it, then ask the other runners to stay at your pace. And with the builds. Bascially like using a form of karate (excuse me for spelling) going to a contest entering and winning. Then when asked what technique you say, "Sorry I can comment on that its personal." Come on. If you don't like the way a game is run. Then simply don't play it or don't bother with forums/people in general.

XeNoGeArZ

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

28 Apr 2006 at 18:25 - 63

ANET already knows what areas will be farmed eventually, since they are the ones that set what monsters drop what runes and rares. WHEN the botters get there (it is only a matter of time), it is when they will decide to nerf the area. Same way they have done with Tyria in the recent update.

I am also FOR everyone finding their own builds instead of using a copy of anothers, but I doubt this will happen. There are many forums out there, besides this one, you cannot stop everyone from sharing a build within a community. The one thing that sickens me, is when someone like Racthoh shares a build to solo a high lvl area like FOW, and then people start a "service" of showing others how to do it for a fee, when really they just copied the main tactics of that one person's build (what skills, what monsters to farm, etc). Especially when the guide and basic "how-to", INCLUDING videos, is in a thread in the same site's forum. But ah well, there is nothing to stop those guys either.

The advantage of releasing a build is the notoriety. It can seperate yourself from all those others using copied builds, proving you are basically an MVP.

Ctb

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

W/

28 Apr 2006 at 18:40 - 64

Quote:

Sure the world contains people in such a manner. I'm not the most emotionally stable either. Hell I'm currently on about *looks at dresser* 4 different types of mood medications. But, to see someone come to a community style forum and game. Then say, "Don't share.." Is like going to a track meet, enter it, then ask the other runners to stay at your pace. And with the builds. Bascially like using a form of karate (excuse me for spelling) going to a contest entering and winning. Then when asked what technique you say, "Sorry I can comment on that its personal." Come on. If you don't like the way a game is run. Then simply don't play it or don't bother with forums/people in general.

First of all, there is no mechanism in the game requiring that people cooperate in anything but the most trivial manner. He is under no obligation to share anything with anybody either by hard rule or community standard.

Second of all, why do you care that he posts things like this? He's just griefing on the board just like any common child does in-game. Even if he really does have something worthwhile, the fact that he refuses to share it only highlights that he is not somebody worthy of attention. People that are truly accomplished in their chosen field and who deserve respect are leaders, others who are accomplished but refuse to lead are inconsequential and can be simply ignored. All of this, of course, still ignores the fact that for all you know, he's lying through his teeth.

Sparks Dawnbringer

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2005

Los Angeles

none

E/Mo

28 Apr 2006 at 18:54 - 65

First, you don't have to share any thing with any one. Second, you can if you want. Farming is fun and I don't think they should be so worried about over farming. If you are willing to spend the time you should be able to reap the benifits. My farming place has been pretty nerfed lately. Well, I'll just go somewhere else for a while and later my farming hole will be better. There are lots of ways to make money in the game.

ShadowFyre

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

Reality is a great place to visit, but I couldn't live there.

Mo/N

28 Apr 2006 at 19:07 - 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by Str0b0

My fellow farmers, now that factions is upon us I know many of you will soon be seeking out those elusive hot spots for loot throughout the game. and many of us will be testing builds and methods to get the goodies from these spots. The thrill of the build and the find are what matters to us and by god this new chapter offers untold riches for us to get our hands on. Let us learn from the mistakes of the past as we venture into this new chapter in Guild Wars.

I'd like to really address one mistake that sort of catches all the mistakes up in one group. Let's try to keep our mouths shut this time. If you find the next awesome, solo super assassin or ritualist build keep it to yourself. If you find a spot where rare items and runes fall form the heavens like rain do not post it on this forum or any other forum for that matter. We've seen broad nerfs across the board because people just have to share. Knock it off already. A sense of community is one thing but cutting our own throats is another entirely.

Remember the goal of the game is to have fun but there is no reason you can't make some loot while you do it. Just remember if you want to keep making the loot then the last thing you need to do is tell about your new farming spot or your new awesome solo build. I hope this has instilled you all with the appropriate amount of caution.

Alright then. This is for you to see Ctb. See read the second paragraph. He basically says "Fing stop posting." This is more like an order then a statement made to show his view. Asking is one way, then there is this guys way. Total immoral. The mechanics of th game is to get people to play together. Otherwise there wouldn't be missions. Or areas with decently tough monsters that are best worked toegther. Example Uw and FoW. If they really wanted to make this game less communtiy then these two places wouldn't be as tough and more easily solo'd. But instead they are both tough and best worked with minimum of 2 man teams. "Teams" . If you want to argue more then please lets take this to PM's. I don't wish to clutter this thread with senseless arguing.

zulu123

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2006

28 Apr 2006 at 19:15 - 67

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phrozenflame

How the hell are the supposed to control an inflation? Buy limiting supply or demand, depending whats causing it. .

There are many ways to control inflation. Add loads and loads of money sinks is one of them.

Quote:

Decent Weapons are cheap to get, infact they are free to get, go figure.

I agree there are a few decent weapons available from collectors. But there isnt enough variety. And whatever weapons you do get are ofcourse clean without any weapon upgrades. If this wasnt true there wouldnt be a huge demand/market for weapons. Why would people even bother to buy anything if everything was avaialable from collectors?

Quote:

Look at the hyporcracy of your post, You want a place where ppl can earn lods of cash, and at the same time you want to control inflation?

I never asked for a place to maked LOADS and LOADS of money ok? All I want is a place that can make me a decent amount so I would be able to buy some weapons/armor sets that I needed. I know for people like you 20K gold is nothing. But for casual players like me it isnt trivial and extremely time consuming.

Quote:

Ever wondered why the Governments didnt start mass publishing currency notes to pay all their bills? You think governments are stupdid when they take billions of dollars of loans? You think those economists who spend like dunno...entire lifes studying economics and go work in federal banks are idiots? when they could just print more money and exchange it and get all the dollars they need?

When everyone has more money, they will all be willing to pay more, hence hyper inflation, it will just kill the new players.

ANet has done a great job so far. keep nerfing where nerfs are required

So the only way Anet can control inflation is by constant nerfing of builds and farmable spots, is it? Bravo!!! What creativity and ingeniousness on their part.

Cottage Pie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

Birmingham, England

Taking Aegis

Mo/Me

28 Apr 2006 at 19:32 - 68

Zulu, this is the crux...

"I never asked for a place to maked LOADS and LOADS of money ok? All I want is a place that can make me a decent amount so I would be able to buy some weapons/armor sets that I needed. I know for people like you 20K gold is nothing. But for casual players like me it isnt trivial and extremely time consuming."

So all those players make 20k, ok? but, the sellers want more money! So everyone goes back to farming, getting another 20k...and another...and another...when the sellers price point, that is at the edge of reason, has been met, the seller is gloating happily and the buyer is so 'farmed up' he thinks the weapon gives him status and respect in relation to other farmers. Everyone else also has all this gold floating about so prices raise up, and up until the sellers (player merchants) are extracting every last bit of gold possible from the farmers. What a lovely situation

And you get something called a vanity economy where nobody plays the game much cos they're all farming...trying to make up for their bad luck with hundreds of hours of bot-like killing. Killing a bunch of enies a few times is fun, but soon it's like gambling, y'know...just another run through, perhaps i'll make up for all my lost time getting shit with a good gold drop!!...it's ultimately an empty addiction to a real life time-sink...utterly unproductive, really...only redeeming thing is you can talk to guild mates or what not.

Farming is so wrong, so completely wrong, an aspect of MMORPGs that is completely empty and basically damaging to the player, hopefully people will learn that anet will always place the game above all else, and that attitude will rub off onto the players, and farming will become a joke.

itznitro

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

We are your friends

R/

28 Apr 2006 at 19:39 - 69

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hippocheesebarn

I see no reason why things can't be made public for the greater good,

I'm sorry but I didnt think this forum supported communism? I agree the only REASONable answer is not to divulge newer farming locations and builds, but, as I have come to learn in this game and in life, Private Greed is subordinated by public need :/

Ctb

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

W/

28 Apr 2006 at 20:04 - 70

Quote:

I'm sorry but I didnt think this forum supported communism?

Your first step before using that word again would be to come to at least a rudimentary understanding of social and economic communism. At that point you will realize that the comment above was completely irrelevant and nonsensical in relation to the comment you responded to. "greater good" does not automatically indicate communism.

Nobody is under any obgliation to share or keep secrets. Do whatever you want. The people who are complaining are complaining because strobo and friends are basically tlrying to order other people around.

Simply ignore them. If you don't like trolls/griefers, don't respond to them. Simple as that. Play your own game in your own way and tell anybody else trying to coerce you to do otherwise to go take a flying leap.

Big_L

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Spectral Agony [sA]

28 Apr 2006 at 20:39 - 71

Keeping dumb information secret so you can hoard gold or whatever the hell you are farming is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. I'm not saying you have to tell everyone where you farm or what skills you use, but trying to keep people from helping others is just stupid.

Zulu, your make some good points, and I would agree with you, but there are a couple problems. If farming actually yielded some decent amount of money and perfect rare weapons were all over the place, the PvErs who farm all day would cry about not having any "rewards." Why? because everyone has a perfect crystalline sword, so theirs doesn't mean anything. So then Anet adds items to the game with a much higher rarity. Now the casual gamer can't afford it, so they complain and everyone has it. The PvErs cry again. Its a cycle that Anet is trying hard not to get into.

As it is now, anyone can be competitive with the amount of money it takes to simply play the game. If you wanna farm all day, then you have your precious rewards which are just rare skinned armor and weapons. If Anet wanted to, they could take away the incentive to farm. That would mean they would have to add a LOT more content, because the game would have no replayability. This is not really an option.

The way things are now, the game works. PvErs can't cry about not having rewards, and casual players can't cry about not being competitive.

Str0b0

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Carolina

N/Me

28 Apr 2006 at 20:45 - 72

I'm not trying to order anyone around. Jesus Jumping christ. LoL I'm just making a suggestion to keep the nerfing of farming areas to a minimum in this new game. It isn't as if I'm saying." You shut your mouths or I'll fly out to your house and burn it down around you and put your family in a concentration camp." Trying to order people around online is about as stupid and pointless as it gets because I'm probably at least a hundred miles away from the nearest person on this forum to me. God lighten up a little people. Go get laid or something. I'm right about one thing though. The more farming areas that get put onto forums the faster they get nerfed by Anet in the name of balance. Balance can be achieved by simply keeping this information to yourself and your guild. If not everyone finds them then there is no mass influx of items.

quickmonty

Ancient Windbreaker

Join Date: May 2005

28 Apr 2006 at 20:57 - 73

Nice to have a spot where you can make some gold quick, before Anet swings the nerf bat. Have you seen the costs of guild hall improvements? There goes half my stash

Mustache Mayhem

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

BEN

R/N

28 Apr 2006 at 21:04 - 74

well the thing that really drives his point is alot of real money making farmer builds are skill builds where it takes more than a bot to pull off- like rachtoh's fow spider run and the queen run I posted while back.. It would be nice to share these builds and not have the area or boss get nerfed because you can do it.. not everyone can do these runs because they are just bad players.. those guys end up in the common botting areas and complain there's nothing to farm.. area is one thing but a a skill run (drokars, solo uw, solo sorrows bosses, solo fow) is another- I would'nt post a skill run (unless it's literally a service like running- anet does'nt seem to care much about that) just been my experience- I would love to but all your quick money will get nerfed fast, it's better to ride it while it's still undiscovered- make your money and hit your goals in game.. trust me if your making a few hundred k a day on a skill run and post it- it'll be nerfed.. it's kinda hard not to post it especially if it's ingenious.. I used to think that anets game testers were short bus riders but nowdays I'm not so sure (or they got new testers) anyways this game is great- but just know anet watches the boards =]

ignis

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Norway

Rus Corp

Mo/

28 Apr 2006 at 21:06 - 75

sneaky farmers must die. I encourage as many people as possible to spill the farmer's secrets to the world.

quickmonty

Ancient Windbreaker

Join Date: May 2005

28 Apr 2006 at 21:26 - 76

There are no farming spots/builds that are secret. If I can figure it out I'm sure that there are at least a few others that can. One person tells someone, or posts in the forums and the next thing you know you see 50 X/Y professions heading out of the same town ...... farming. (Check out the W/Mo's leaving Beetletun in a steady stream

) Anet does check the forums for the hot spots. They can then confirm it through their logs. (I doubt they pour through the logs on a regular basis without a hint of where to look ... but I could be wrong). Next .... nerf ... people cry that their favorite spot was nerfed, and the process starts all over again. I'll tell a few close friends in the guild after I've had some fun, and they also share. It goes through the guild and, I know, out to the general population.

I don't buy rare skinned weapons. I do buy vanity armor and green weapons and some max mods for some other weapons. Most of my gold goes back into the guild. Buying Droks armor for members, or giving them nice weapons and runes. Just purchased (along with another wealthy guild member) some services for the guild hall.

It's all in fun .... just a game (yes I have a life, a job, a g/f and many hobbies besides GW) and I do enjoy it.

Especially enjoy topics like this. The good, the bad AND the ugly all show up.

Peace

Riceboi

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

28 Apr 2006 at 22:19 - 77

/signed

itznitro

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

We are your friends

R/

29 Apr 2006 at 01:08 - 78

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ctb

Your first step before using that word again would be to come to at least a rudimentary understanding of social and economic communism. At that point you will realize that the comment above was completely irrelevant and nonsensical in relation to the comment you responded to. "greater good" does not automatically indicate communism.

Nobody is under any obgliation to share or keep secrets. Do whatever you want. The people who are complaining are complaining because strobo and friends are basically tlrying to order other people around.

Simply ignore them. If you don't like trolls/griefers, don't respond to them. Simple as that. Play your own game in your own way and tell anybody else trying to coerce you to do otherwise to go take a flying leap.

Don't feel like responding to/on this thread to make a flame war, private message me if you would like to argue my graduate degree in econ.

byteme!

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

On Earth

W/P

29 Apr 2006 at 01:23 - 79

Freedom of speech. I'm gonna share my secrets whether you like it or not.

Seissor

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Squiggilyville. Population: Me.

[oRly] Hello Kitty Death Squad

R/Me

29 Apr 2006 at 07:49 - 80

I'll tell ppl how to farm and the build, I was all "oh noes an anti-farm nerf!" but i aint even farmed just played the game and I've made 50k easy.