Ok so i last played GW:P 9 months ago, and i really enjoyed the PvE and the PvP for a short time. Now i have come back to play factions, so thought i'd try a new char (Rit/Mo) in the new campaign, i WAS really enjoying it until the second mission, my group of 6 level 11 guys completed it and got sent to the second continent, a market place. It seems all the mobs here are level 20, as are my henchies, the problem being that i die in a couple of hits to the assasins and mobs in this new area, my henchies do okay and normally kill the bad guys and rez me. My battles tend to go like this, i summon my 3 spirits, and then shoot a mob so my henchies engage, the other 2 mobs of the group then run up to me and promptly one or two shot kill me, and i sit around for 3 mins for my henchies to wipe the floor with them and rez me.
I feel like IM the henchman, and my real hencies are having to put up with this lvl 12 n00b on their team.
I then decided to group with real players to try that, so 8 of us, ranged lvl 11-13 all got together, we wiped on the first 3 lvl 20 mobs who pretty much ran around one shotting us.
So am i being really stupid here, and missing an area to level up some? Or is it really this frustrating for players who choose to start anew in the factions campaign? I cant remember this ever happening in the orginal GW.
Its a real shame, as up until i came to this market place area i was VERY impressed, but now im struggling to log in knowning that i may actually have to grind up some levels, which is the reason this is the only online game i play, i hate grinding levels!
Any advice, or any area's im missing? i've explored all the starting island, done all the quests i've found there, i could go back there and grind up 9 levels, but i'd rather eat rusty nails!
Thanks!
Am i missing something with Factions?
Nirvy
Snowman
There are LOADS of missions with like 4k XP BEFORE the Market place
Basically, you need to level LOADS more... also you probably need to get MUCH better armour, and loads more skills.
so, go back and explore and level up, you i've found two 4k XP missions that ive not done yet.. just trying to get to LIONS ARCH now, but I think I gotta be higher level.
Basically, you need to level LOADS more... also you probably need to get MUCH better armour, and loads more skills.
so, go back and explore and level up, you i've found two 4k XP missions that ive not done yet.. just trying to get to LIONS ARCH now, but I think I gotta be higher level.
EternalTempest
They set the game up where 75-80% of the game is lvl 20 conent where lvl 20 content started at Krytia/Wylds in C1.
I assume they expect you do to all the missions and side stuff before getting there (I still waiting on my CE..) as snow said.
I assume they expect you do to all the missions and side stuff before getting there (I still waiting on my CE..) as snow said.
MysticoN
its about impossible to do marketplace unless you are lvl 20 with good armor and weapon. This is why you have to do the quest and mission on the first island ..if you do them all you should be close to lvl 20 and after taht you can take marketplace 
Nirvy
Aye i've looked all over for more quests, managed to get to level 13, but the only quest left on the starting island is the one to resque some boy, that seems to be bugged as you get 30+ mobs attacking you at once :s and after you wipe and kill them, he wont talk to you 
Least im not the only one, the market place is full of people my level and lower wondering what they are meant to do next.
I remember doing a few 4k missions before i came here, one of them being the missing treasure quest, and a few others, but im still 7 levels short of being able to go to the other island.
I've done every mission i can find i've spent nealy 2 hours running aorund everywhere looking for every mission i can find, i know the game is set up for lvl 20's i played the first game, but me and a few friends who have come over from another game are a little stumped on where to get more quests, we have 20% Explore on Cantha, which means we've been all over the starting island. Any pointers as to where some quests for level 13's might be? Maybe im missing a mission chain or something? i did the guys garden mission, and then the one that took me to the main island.
Least im not the only one, the market place is full of people my level and lower wondering what they are meant to do next.
I remember doing a few 4k missions before i came here, one of them being the missing treasure quest, and a few others, but im still 7 levels short of being able to go to the other island.
I've done every mission i can find
i've spent nealy 2 hours running aorund everywhere looking for every mission i can find, i know the game is set up for lvl 20's i played the first game, but me and a few friends who have come over from another game are a little stumped on where to get more quests, we have 20% Explore on Cantha, which means we've been all over the starting island. Any pointers as to where some quests for level 13's might be? Maybe im missing a mission chain or something? i did the guys garden mission, and then the one that took me to the main island.
MysticoN
I dont think you have looked good enough. My warrior is soon lvl 16 and I still got quest left , it is quest outside towns to by different townsfolks.
Tobias Funke
I took me a while to figure this out, but there's a trick. Once you get to the market place, to follow the primary quest you have to go to the bazaar right? Well the thing about the bazaar is that the are many different way to get to where you need to go. For the primary quests it is never the most direct route. There are ways to go where the largest group you will face is 3 assassins, which a group of 8 15's should be able to handle. Basicaly the rule is if there are a whole bunch of enemies in front of you that would wipe you out in a heartbeat, you aren't taking the right path. If you head north from the market place you can also get to Kainang Center without hardly any fighting. There you can get max armor. That said, getting to the first mission through the undercity is really freaking hard.
Nirvy
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I took me a while to figure this out, but there's a trick. Once you get to the market place, to follow the primary quest you have to go to the bazaar right? Well the thing about the bazaar is that the are many different way to get to where you need to go. For the primary quests it is never the most direct route. There are ways to go where the largest group you will face is 3 assassins, which a group of 8 15's should be able to handle. Basicaly the rule is if there are a whole bunch of enemies in front of you that would wipe you out in a heartbeat, you aren't taking the right path. If you head north from the market place you can also get to Kainang Center without hardly any fighting. There you can get max armor. That said, getting to the first mission through the undercity is really freaking hard.
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lord_seafood
I've found it a bit tough too, but now I've gone back to the island and decided to level up some more. Good thing too, because I missed the second 15 attributes quest the first time through.
Sidra
I'm getting my A/R through the ENTIRE shing jea island before I take him off. I'm not even going to do any of the harbor quests yet, i'm still doing the "nooby" quests. I may stop eventually and just move on, but I want every drop of XP that I can get. Period.
Nirvy
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I've found it a bit tough too, but now I've gone back to the island and decided to level up some more. Good thing too, because I missed the second 15 attributes quest the first time through.
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The only one i did was the one after the mission where you kill minister Cho, then go back in to find the treasure, which turns out to be the wife?Where is the other?
lord_seafood
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There's a second 15 attributes quest? Where
The only one i did was the one after the mission where you kill minister Cho, then go back in to find the treasure, which turns out to be the wife?Where is the other? |
Nirvy
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The second one is found in Seitung Harbor at the Shrine on Zunraa. I'm not sure if you have to finish Zen Daijun beforehand to get it.
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Cheers
Nirvy
Well finally hit level 18 so i can complete mainland quests. Although im having a bit more fun, i think it was poorly designed for us new players.
All my time on the new player island i felt like i was being rushed to the mainland, so much most of us new players get there at level 11-15 ish, with really poor armour. Thats when we find we need to get 1.5k Armour, and level up a lot to carry on with the missions.
Also everything is SO expensive, i want to buy the 60 armour for my ritualist, but even things like bolts of cloth are costing 350G for 10 on the materials vendor, and i dont seem to have much luck farming it. I asked in the trade chat to buy the 200 cloth needed, and got quotes of rediculous high prices, 20,000 gold +!! Bear in mind im a new char, and have never had more than 2k in my char at the same time!
So now im on mainland, i feel the game as rushed me here too quickly, i have poor armour, i cant afford to buy a thing, i cannot do the missions or quests here efficiently with my low level and 35 armour.
After playing for 4 days i really get the impression that this was aimed at existing players, and should have been an expansion, not stand alone, players who have many level 20 chars already, and can afford to pay 20k for some bolts of cloth will probably love the game, but im stuck in catch 22 right now, i cant quest more until i get a LOT LOT more money and armour, but need to quest and level to get that.
It started off incredibly well on Shing Jea island, the quests were awesome, but they simply didnt seem to think it a problem of dumping brand new players off on the mainland with 15 or 30 armour, a few hundred gold to our names a problem.
All my time on the new player island i felt like i was being rushed to the mainland, so much most of us new players get there at level 11-15 ish, with really poor armour. Thats when we find we need to get 1.5k Armour, and level up a lot to carry on with the missions.
Also everything is SO expensive, i want to buy the 60 armour for my ritualist, but even things like bolts of cloth are costing 350G for 10 on the materials vendor, and i dont seem to have much luck farming it. I asked in the trade chat to buy the 200 cloth needed, and got quotes of rediculous high prices, 20,000 gold +!! Bear in mind im a new char, and have never had more than 2k in my char at the same time!
So now im on mainland, i feel the game as rushed me here too quickly, i have poor armour, i cant afford to buy a thing, i cannot do the missions or quests here efficiently with my low level and 35 armour.
After playing for 4 days i really get the impression that this was aimed at existing players, and should have been an expansion, not stand alone, players who have many level 20 chars already, and can afford to pay 20k for some bolts of cloth will probably love the game, but im stuck in catch 22 right now, i cant quest more until i get a LOT LOT more money and armour, but need to quest and level to get that.
It started off incredibly well on Shing Jea island, the quests were awesome, but they simply didnt seem to think it a problem of dumping brand new players off on the mainland with 15 or 30 armour, a few hundred gold to our names a problem.
mega_jamie
If you do all the quests 1st nd 2nd for second trainers you get a boat load of XP, I'm lvl 16 (nearly 17) and havnt done the second missions yet, no grinding involved either in that number.
VGJustice
I was starting to get kinda worried about the material prices. For you new guys, the Materials Trader is set up with a Supply and Demand kind of scale. When more players buy materials than those selling materials, the price goes up. Sadly, there's a lot of players that just buy the materials they need, rather than go find them, and there's lots of new armor for all the characters, even pre-exsisting Tyrian characters. So, a huge number of people have just bought their materials, jacking the price of cloth and tanned hide from 80-120g up into the 300g+ range. And I don't think it's going to be coming down any time soon. On the plus side, I've noticed that the regular mobs outside The Marketplace have a habit of dropping large ammounts of Cloth (10-14 at a time), and most of the Salvage Items make Cloth or Tanned Hide. With a little perseverance, and a bit of luck, you should be able to find enough of each to get the armor that you need. I also noticed that the Crimson Skill Raiders over on the Island will drop cloth in acceptable amounts. Just through the Naga cave, they have a stronghold. I went there with my Ranger and came out with a fair amount of cloth (almost 40 bolts, IIRC), and I didn't even take them all out. I did go it alone, and I did die a couple times, but I got some cloth and hides.
A trick you could use to take advantage of this is to find out what kind of armor you need (you should be able to get to Kaineng Center without fighting), what base material it needs, then selling the other material to the vendor. This way, you should make a good amount of gold while you're getting what you need. Maybe even enough to buy the Materials. Also, make sure you're using the Monastery Credits! That will make getting various needful things a lot cheaper. Same with the Imperial Commendations (can be traded at K. Center). Only go for what you need. Vanity after practicality.
I say that if you new guys can survive this, it'll make much better players out of you. I wish you luck on this one. You're going to need it.
A trick you could use to take advantage of this is to find out what kind of armor you need (you should be able to get to Kaineng Center without fighting), what base material it needs, then selling the other material to the vendor. This way, you should make a good amount of gold while you're getting what you need. Maybe even enough to buy the Materials. Also, make sure you're using the Monastery Credits! That will make getting various needful things a lot cheaper. Same with the Imperial Commendations (can be traded at K. Center). Only go for what you need. Vanity after practicality.
I say that if you new guys can survive this, it'll make much better players out of you. I wish you luck on this one. You're going to need it.
Ryn Tyn Tyn
Thanks for all the heads-up about trying to find all the xp available. I was much like Nirvy and feeling that I was doing great on the beginer island getting so many lvls so fast, good to find out before I leave that I better be a much higher lvl. Also thanks for the info on the armor/weapons. I noticed that there seems to be more salvage in the loot, guess I better start stockpiling it better .
Really I think that we just are used to having guides written that help out, but because Factions is so new the information for it is still very spotty if any is available at all.
.Really I think that we just are used to having guides written that help out, but because Factions is so new the information for it is still very spotty if any is available at all.
Nirvy
Aye, i am now level 20, but i cannot afford anything better than the 45 AR armour i have been using since level 10ish, i cant even buy off the broker as they are always sold out of cloth and leather squares for my cheapest armour.
Im finding it a bit easier, but still very very difficult, as a healer Rit/Mo i cant figure out how to get my henchies to attack without me attacking first, and generally i cast all my spirits, attack, but then get ganked in a few shots by the 8 or so mobs hitting on me in my crappy armour, my henchies although appreciate this as they hardly ever die :s
Maybe making a healing/protective spirt class wasnt a smart move for my first character?
Hopefully in a few days i can find a few drops that refine into Leather squares and cloth and can get some lvl 20 armour!
Im finding it a bit easier, but still very very difficult, as a healer Rit/Mo i cant figure out how to get my henchies to attack without me attacking first, and generally i cast all my spirits, attack, but then get ganked in a few shots by the 8 or so mobs hitting on me in my crappy armour, my henchies although appreciate this as they hardly ever die :s
Maybe making a healing/protective spirt class wasnt a smart move for my first character?
Hopefully in a few days i can find a few drops that refine into Leather squares and cloth and can get some lvl 20 armour!
Sekkira
As a level 12 Ritualist stepping into mainland Cantha for the first time, I'd be lying if I said it wasn't hard. However, it's far from impossible. Let your henchies do most of the work, kite around them if you're about to be attacked and let them do most of the work. It is slow going due to the henchies being weak, but it acheived results.
J3mo
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Ok so i last played GW:P 9 months ago, and i really enjoyed the PvE and the PvP for a short time. Now i have come back to play factions, so thought i'd try a new char (Rit/Mo) in the new campaign, i WAS really enjoying it until the second mission, my group of 6 level 11 guys completed it and got sent to the second continent, a market place. It seems all the mobs here are level 20, as are my henchies, the problem being that i die in a couple of hits to the assasins and mobs in this new area, my henchies do okay and normally kill the bad guys and rez me. My battles tend to go like this, i summon my 3 spirits, and then shoot a mob so my henchies engage, the other 2 mobs of the group then run up to me and promptly one or two shot kill me, and i sit around for 3 mins for my henchies to wipe the floor with them and rez me.
I feel like IM the henchman, and my real hencies are having to put up with this lvl 12 n00b on their team. I then decided to group with real players to try that, so 8 of us, ranged lvl 11-13 all got together, we wiped on the first 3 lvl 20 mobs who pretty much ran around one shotting us. So am i being really stupid here, and missing an area to level up some? Or is it really this frustrating for players who choose to start anew in the factions campaign? I cant remember this ever happening in the orginal GW. Its a real shame, as up until i came to this market place area i was VERY impressed, but now im struggling to log in knowning that i may actually have to grind up some levels, which is the reason this is the only online game i play, i hate grinding levels! Any advice, or any area's im missing? i've explored all the starting island, done all the quests i've found there, i could go back there and grind up 9 levels, but i'd rather eat rusty nails! Thanks! |
Nirvy
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That's what happens when people skip all quests and walk in cheap armor
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Im starting to enjoy the game a bit more, except im so poor, i cant afford any skills, i certainly cant afford my level 20 armour. I know Guild Wars has had a huge following, but i have hit level 20 way too soon, i cant afford skills, so am stuck having to use the one i have got, which turn out to be pretty crappy, and people told me GW was easy to swap and change skills, yea sure if you have been playing years and can afford 500G for a new skill. Also i dont really know my class that well i havent had time to learn the ritualist role yet, i dont feel i deserve to be level 20, and certainly shy away from grouping with others as i would probably be a liability to the people im with.
The sole group i joined consisted of me, 4 assasins and some warrior/monks. I was main healer being a Rit/Mo and for the best part of an hour i had the assasins bitching and moaning that i wasnt keeping them alive enough, i tried my best, but they kept all running off in different directions, tanking different mobs and i didnt know exactly how i was meant to keep them alive. In the end two of the assasins left calling me a crappy healer, although the warriors said it wasnt really my fault, but im in no hurry to group again! At least henchmen, as bad as they are dont cuss me out if they die.
Anyways maybe in a week i'll have the cash for my lvl 20 armour and some more intersting skills!
VGJustice
Nirvy, you have happened upon the number one gripe of all healers. There's a large following of Monks that will simply leave a group stranded because one member can't seem to appreciate the hard work of thier healers. Don't take any lip from them, try to explain that it's too hard to heal them when they just run off in every direction.
But, it seems to me that this game is being really favorable towards those players that play with henchmen. If you never learn to play in a group properly (not directed at anyone in particular), then you'll never learn how to aid a group properly.
Well, at any rate, for those of you trying to control your henchmen better, try getting near an enemy, selecting that enemy without attacking them, then pressing Shift + Control + Spacebar. That *should* send your henchmen in before you, if you're close enough.
Also, it seems really strange to me, but are there no quests that give skills after the profesion quests? In Prophecies, I was getting skills all the way from Pre Searing through the Crystal Desert. There has to be skill quests, or you'd never have the skills needed to fight properly.
But, it seems to me that this game is being really favorable towards those players that play with henchmen. If you never learn to play in a group properly (not directed at anyone in particular), then you'll never learn how to aid a group properly.
Well, at any rate, for those of you trying to control your henchmen better, try getting near an enemy, selecting that enemy without attacking them, then pressing Shift + Control + Spacebar. That *should* send your henchmen in before you, if you're close enough.
Also, it seems really strange to me, but are there no quests that give skills after the profesion quests? In Prophecies, I was getting skills all the way from Pre Searing through the Crystal Desert. There has to be skill quests, or you'd never have the skills needed to fight properly.
Nirvy
Yea im guessing! Just been in group where the assasins did the same thing, although this time instead of blaming me the other players told them to stop thinking they are tanks, luckily the 2 asasins just got mad, called us n00bs and left, the missions went like a breeze with a ranger and warrior filling their gaps, not a single death! Seems maybe i should avoid that class for now :P
thx for the CTRL SHIFT SPACE thing, missed that in the manual, i'll give that a go, will make it a lot easier if it works!
And nope, i got a few skill quests right at the start, but none since then, i have had to buy them all at the skills trainer, but it seems the prices double every time you buy one, so now they are at 500G each I think i gimpled my char by just buying all the skills at the start, nd now im stuck with a lot of mostly crappy ones. Guess a lot of grinding is needed to buy the more useful skills!! Well after i afford some good armour anyways. Thanks!
thx for the CTRL SHIFT SPACE thing, missed that in the manual, i'll give that a go, will make it a lot easier if it works!
And nope, i got a few skill quests right at the start, but none since then, i have had to buy them all at the skills trainer, but it seems the prices double every time you buy one, so now they are at 500G each
I think i gimpled my char by just buying all the skills at the start, nd now im stuck with a lot of mostly crappy ones. Guess a lot of grinding is needed to buy the more useful skills!! Well after i afford some good armour anyways. Thanks!
asmo
I'm an assassin and I can seem to heal and handle my aggro myself fairly well. Although I have only done everything with henchmen so far, i just bring my 2 healing skills and a bunch of degen/lots of dmg skills...why oh why does everyone hate the profession so much, it is just the noobs that use it.
Carth`
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the only quest left on the starting island is the one to resque some boy, that seems to be bugged as you get 30+ mobs attacking you at once :s and after you wipe and kill them, he wont talk to you
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ellemnist
um... too lazy to read through everything...
i think the reason some materials are waaay over priced is because of high demand... you see alot of rits/sins and they sure as hell want every piece of materials they need; so naturally theres gonna be a high demand for such materials >.> and with the merchants only selling stuff that they buy from players... its gonna coslt alot!
i think the reason some materials are waaay over priced is because of high demand... you see alot of rits/sins and they sure as hell want every piece of materials they need; so naturally theres gonna be a high demand for such materials >.> and with the merchants only selling stuff that they buy from players... its gonna coslt alot!
Konrow
I understand what you guys are going through. For people with prophecies if you get to kaineng(sp?) you could just go to Kryta to train since the mobs there are about lvl 12-15 or so i think. i'm already forgetting stuff about tyria lol
thunderpower
Yep.
I've been lvl 16 or 17 when i got to the mainland i have 0 problems leveling.
I had the head start of the preoder and did naga fangs related quest from the ceremony master (dunno if they are available).
Once your're on the mainland, you get your leveling to skyrocket (if you have a half brain). Don't look at the lvl of the mobs near marketplace and kainung center, they die really easy if you go with a full 8 member team. Dont rely real peeps with lvl 13.
Grab hench and go do most of the marketplace and center quests. I had 0 problems. Of course materials had lower costs on the 27th and i manged to get to the mainland and craft lvl70 armor for my assasin at relativly low material costs.
Actually material prices went wilde because of all the "ZOMG gotta have cantha armor on my tyrian charcater zomg zomg zomg" people. If you use your brain it figures. If only new characters made armours and such prices would stay relatively the same.But all the tyrian rushers made it impossible. Wait 1-2 weeks and things will be back to normal.
I've been lvl 16 or 17 when i got to the mainland i have 0 problems leveling.
I had the head start of the preoder and did naga fangs related quest from the ceremony master (dunno if they are available).
Once your're on the mainland, you get your leveling to skyrocket (if you have a half brain). Don't look at the lvl of the mobs near marketplace and kainung center, they die really easy if you go with a full 8 member team. Dont rely real peeps with lvl 13.
Grab hench and go do most of the marketplace and center quests. I had 0 problems. Of course materials had lower costs on the 27th and i manged to get to the mainland and craft lvl70 armor for my assasin at relativly low material costs.
Actually material prices went wilde because of all the "ZOMG gotta have cantha armor on my tyrian charcater zomg zomg zomg" people. If you use your brain it figures. If only new characters made armours and such prices would stay relatively the same.But all the tyrian rushers made it impossible. Wait 1-2 weeks and things will be back to normal.
Sientir
Yea, as has been said, a LOT of things have been selling out or rising in price. In fact, there is a thread here about someone who made a TON of money in steel thanks to the price jump.
As to skills as quest rewards...I don't think factions has any. You get skills to DO quests in the early parts of Factions, but I haven't run into any free skills since. Considering this, I think it is truly unfair that the skill cost increases and such an increcible rate.
In regards to healing, having not played a Rit healer, I don't have direct advice, but I have played a monk so I know some from that. Also, reading around the forum gives you an idea about things like that. It's kinda hard for me to explain, so meh. However, I have this to say: a lot of Assassin players have no clue HOW to play an Assassin. They're using them as freakin' warriors, and they simply aren't. Why they do this is beyond me. Assassin armor just simply isn't high enough to make it possible to tank.
And yes, you do get dropped rather abruptly into high level areas. Everything is sped up greatly from Tyria, where you can't get max level armor until around 80% of the way through the game. (Something like 80%, anyway). Of course, by that time, you'd have money. That isn't so easy in Cantha. I seriously think there should be some quests that give you high rewards monetarily, since you need cash for both armor and skills.
As to skills as quest rewards...I don't think factions has any. You get skills to DO quests in the early parts of Factions, but I haven't run into any free skills since. Considering this, I think it is truly unfair that the skill cost increases and such an increcible rate.
In regards to healing, having not played a Rit healer, I don't have direct advice, but I have played a monk so I know some from that. Also, reading around the forum gives you an idea about things like that. It's kinda hard for me to explain, so meh. However, I have this to say: a lot of Assassin players have no clue HOW to play an Assassin. They're using them as freakin' warriors, and they simply aren't. Why they do this is beyond me. Assassin armor just simply isn't high enough to make it possible to tank.
And yes, you do get dropped rather abruptly into high level areas. Everything is sped up greatly from Tyria, where you can't get max level armor until around 80% of the way through the game. (Something like 80%, anyway). Of course, by that time, you'd have money. That isn't so easy in Cantha. I seriously think there should be some quests that give you high rewards monetarily, since you need cash for both armor and skills.
Nirvy
Aye thats true.
Its definitely fun now, i can see why people like it. However the game would have been more forgiving to us n00bs if they had done two things:-
1. Made skill quests, i got my first 12 skills this way, and was expecting to have more quests to earn skills, sadly not! It gets very expensive for the new players, and it leaves us with a very limited set of skills due to the expensive armour we also need to start saving for, i just feel it would be nice to choose a few other skills, maybe those monestary tokens and impersial commisions should be used to buy skills, would certainly help me out, as i have loads of them sat un-used. I didn't really get into the original GW, but i understand they had dozens of quests that gave different skills as a reward, as well as being able to buy them, that sounds a better system to be honest - not sure why they didnt do that in the second game too?
2.Have an extra mission before mainland, its too easy for us n00bs to follow the missions and end up on the mainland at such an early level, for me i was enjoying the storyline and so it was only naturual i wanted to progress it, and the game did seem to be rushing me to the mainland anyways, so i never though to complete every single sidequest before going, i just went with where the game was pushing me.
And sorry not having a dig at the assasins, its just they are the only class so far to have a go at me for not healing properly, and it seems to me its actually their fault not mine, im not the best healer yet, but even i can see they are not meant to be going toe-to-toe with 8 mobs, thats a warriors job. Maybe i'll meet some people who play them well and change my impressions of them, for now i'd rather not have the hassle of having to run around being their personal heal bot :P
Anyways back to grinding out cash for a few new skills and another step closer to the lvl 20 armour
Its definitely fun now, i can see why people like it. However the game would have been more forgiving to us n00bs if they had done two things:-
1. Made skill quests, i got my first 12 skills this way, and was expecting to have more quests to earn skills, sadly not! It gets very expensive for the new players, and it leaves us with a very limited set of skills due to the expensive armour we also need to start saving for, i just feel it would be nice to choose a few other skills, maybe those monestary tokens and impersial commisions should be used to buy skills, would certainly help me out, as i have loads of them sat un-used. I didn't really get into the original GW, but i understand they had dozens of quests that gave different skills as a reward, as well as being able to buy them, that sounds a better system to be honest - not sure why they didnt do that in the second game too?
2.Have an extra mission before mainland, its too easy for us n00bs to follow the missions and end up on the mainland at such an early level, for me i was enjoying the storyline and so it was only naturual i wanted to progress it, and the game did seem to be rushing me to the mainland anyways, so i never though to complete every single sidequest before going, i just went with where the game was pushing me.
And sorry not having a dig at the assasins, its just they are the only class so far to have a go at me for not healing properly, and it seems to me its actually their fault not mine, im not the best healer yet, but even i can see they are not meant to be going toe-to-toe with 8 mobs, thats a warriors job. Maybe i'll meet some people who play them well and change my impressions of them, for now i'd rather not have the hassle of having to run around being their personal heal bot :P
Anyways back to grinding out cash for a few new skills and another step closer to the lvl 20 armour
Eviance
my brother got the better armor and is still having this trouble - he even did all the quests and is still only lvl 14
>_< He cannot get any further cause its too friggen hard to do!
(and personally I think for lvl 20s its too easy, but whatever)
Anyways I am still waiting on my CE and my brother has gone back to EQ (to which he says mostly full time).
>_< He cannot get any further cause its too friggen hard to do!
(and personally I think for lvl 20s its too easy, but whatever)
Anyways I am still waiting on my CE and my brother has gone back to EQ (to which he says mostly full time).
Vusak
For newer players, there are guys around the maps called 'collectors'.
basically for a stack of 5 of some object, you can trade for a piece of armor or a weapon or something useful.
have a look at each collector you see, and see what you need to get to obtain the collector armor for your character.
this way, instead of having to get 50 tanned hide and 10 steel or whatever it is for some things, you can just get 5 monstrous claws or whatever.
people might even sell them to you for 500g each, or less? or more? there are different ways of getting armor in the game.
if you got lots of imperial credits, or something like that, and you dont want/need them, sell them!
pickup everything, use a superior salvage on everything you intend on selling, most of the time youll get materials that are worth more than the 50g you get for selling an object to a vendor.
and keep an eye out for runes, yeah you might benefit from having that rune of communing, but it might be worth 30k to sell it to a rich player who wants everything.
that 30k will do your character more good than +3 to some stat.
and lastly i think ritualists have some very decent defensive spirits.
shelter + union + a weapon buff with evade/block/healthsteal will help your survival.
dont be afraid to run around, standing there and taking hits isnt your job, run around and make those enemies waste their potential attacking time.
also 'luring' is an artform you should master, use your aggro bubble like a fishnet, reach in with it, grab a red dot, and let the few enemies that are linked to that enemy follow you back to be picked off.
the vile henchie is useful coz it uses putrid explosion, which helps speed up battles in your favor. earth henchie uses melee ward, which is also nice. im fairly sure the illusion henchie uses interrupts, definitely clumsiness. this also helps.
and kill of those enemy mages doing dragon stomp, a lot of the time, this spell is what is killing you coz it prevent healing for a few seconds which gets you overwhelmed.
this is all IMO ofcourse
basically for a stack of 5 of some object, you can trade for a piece of armor or a weapon or something useful.
have a look at each collector you see, and see what you need to get to obtain the collector armor for your character.
this way, instead of having to get 50 tanned hide and 10 steel or whatever it is for some things, you can just get 5 monstrous claws or whatever.
people might even sell them to you for 500g each, or less? or more? there are different ways of getting armor in the game.
if you got lots of imperial credits, or something like that, and you dont want/need them, sell them!
pickup everything, use a superior salvage on everything you intend on selling, most of the time youll get materials that are worth more than the 50g you get for selling an object to a vendor.
and keep an eye out for runes, yeah you might benefit from having that rune of communing, but it might be worth 30k to sell it to a rich player who wants everything.
that 30k will do your character more good than +3 to some stat.
and lastly i think ritualists have some very decent defensive spirits.
shelter + union + a weapon buff with evade/block/healthsteal will help your survival.
dont be afraid to run around, standing there and taking hits isnt your job, run around and make those enemies waste their potential attacking time.
also 'luring' is an artform you should master, use your aggro bubble like a fishnet, reach in with it, grab a red dot, and let the few enemies that are linked to that enemy follow you back to be picked off.
the vile henchie is useful coz it uses putrid explosion, which helps speed up battles in your favor. earth henchie uses melee ward, which is also nice. im fairly sure the illusion henchie uses interrupts, definitely clumsiness. this also helps.
and kill of those enemy mages doing dragon stomp, a lot of the time, this spell is what is killing you coz it prevent healing for a few seconds which gets you overwhelmed.
this is all IMO ofcourse
Thallandor
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No, thats what happens when people new to the game go where the missions sent me. I had done all the secondary quests i could find, and the main mission sent me to the mainland. Did i know i had to be level 20? nope! I thought i had missed an area and spent the best part of a day trying to find more quests.
Im starting to enjoy the game a bit more, except im so poor, i cant afford any skills, i certainly cant afford my level 20 armour. I know Guild Wars has had a huge following, but i have hit level 20 way too soon, i cant afford skills, so am stuck having to use the one i have got, which turn out to be pretty crappy, and people told me GW was easy to swap and change skills, yea sure if you have been playing years and can afford 500G for a new skill. Also i dont really know my class that well i havent had time to learn the ritualist role yet, i dont feel i deserve to be level 20, and certainly shy away from grouping with others as i would probably be a liability to the people im with. The sole group i joined consisted of me, 4 assasins and some warrior/monks. I was main healer being a Rit/Mo and for the best part of an hour i had the assasins bitching and moaning that i wasnt keeping them alive enough, i tried my best, but they kept all running off in different directions, tanking different mobs and i didnt know exactly how i was meant to keep them alive. In the end two of the assasins left calling me a crappy healer, although the warriors said it wasnt really my fault, but im in no hurry to group again! At least henchmen, as bad as they are dont cuss me out if they die. Anyways maybe in a week i'll have the cash for my lvl 20 armour and some more intersting skills! |
As Nirvy mentioned theres large chance for those new to the game to gimp themselves by buying all the skills that they may not need and find themselves too poor later for armour or to get skills they want since the prices of skills have significantly increased. The BS of making us buy skills have finally surfaced itself. Guild War Factions is not made for newer players, get over it stop lying to yourselves and the community.
Btw have anyone found skill quest that ascended characters can do in Cantha? If not basically Jeff Strain lied to us on his interview with VGM when he mention otherwise.
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Imaginos
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Originally Posted by Sientir
As to skills as quest rewards...I don't think factions has any. You get skills to DO quests in the early parts of Factions, but I haven't run into any free skills since. Considering this, I think it is truly unfair that the skill cost increases and such an increcible rate.
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The drops from monsters are not that good either for gaining cash. I make more money, easier in Tyria then i do in Factions.
Anet needs to address this issue by either lowering the skill costs by a large amount or upping the gold rewards that you get with quests for skill points and monster drops.
Nirvy
I had a spot of luck where i found an assasin rune, i came THIS close to selling it onthe vendor, but i for somereason decided to offer it on the trade channel, i made about 5 times when the vendor offered!! So i know have a much better selection of skills, and am on my way to getting the best armour!
I've also found PvE is not that hard once im getting to grips with my class, as i buy more skills and experiement im starting to learn all thse cool new things i can do, i've also noticed in most case with pick up groups, its the other people who suck not me :P It just seems to be assassins in particular who think they are the only "hero" in the game and are invincible, i grouped with some older players who decided not to re-roll classes, and everything went smooth as hell, some of them even gave me the crappier loot drops to sell at the end as no one died!
I admit the game is a lot more fun at level 20 with more skills, but why the heck a-net made it so hard to get here i dont know, several times i almost quit the game in frustration i was so poor and the game was so ruthlessly hard. Hopefully they will make a few changes in a patch for the new players who come after me.
I've also found PvE is not that hard once im getting to grips with my class, as i buy more skills and experiement im starting to learn all thse cool new things i can do, i've also noticed in most case with pick up groups, its the other people who suck not me :P It just seems to be assassins in particular who think they are the only "hero" in the game and are invincible, i grouped with some older players who decided not to re-roll classes, and everything went smooth as hell, some of them even gave me the crappier loot drops to sell at the end as no one died!
I admit the game is a lot more fun at level 20 with more skills, but why the heck a-net made it so hard to get here i dont know, several times i almost quit the game in frustration i was so poor and the game was so ruthlessly hard. Hopefully they will make a few changes in a patch for the new players who come after me.
refused
I've had to beg to get into groups because I like doing Primary Quests only. I've made it to the Tahnnakai Temple without failing a mission and am only level 15, but I am a Rt/Mo and since I only heal, I level slow.
Trin Storm
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Im starting to enjoy the game a bit more, except im so poor, i cant afford any skills, i certainly cant afford my level 20 armour.
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Honestly - your first skill costs 50 gold - and they stay cheap for a while. When I got to the harbor I looked at buying armor - had not really paid attention to my gold until then and come to find out I had 16K on my new character. I was shocked at this - it took me a long time in Tyria to get that on my first character. Gold should not be a problem in Cantha - actually finding materail in stock seems to be a bigger issue.
felinette
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Originally Posted by MysticoN
its about impossible to do marketplace unless you are lvl 20 with good armor and weapon.
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Badger2
I could be wrong but, I think some of yall are missing something, my r/rit was lvl 16 before leaving the island. There are 2 missions and loads of quests not only in the cities and outposts but out in the countryside as well. For example there is a tengu accompanied by a yeti, if you kill the tengu first and then attack the yeti, just before he dies the tengu charm breaks and the yeti gives you a quest, as there are no markers on either of them you would never know this quest was there. There are many such quests.