Anet, Close Factions "pre"area from Higher Lvls

beanerman_99

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29 Apr 2006 at 13:59 - 1
I think that Anet should close down access to the beginners area to keep the high level characters out. They come in and try to sell all their high end gear to the lower levels and some towns are starting to see a lot of trade spam instead of people talking about missions and playing the game. Some try to take advantage of new players, trying to sell crap items at higher prices too.

I really like Prophecies "Pre" area and how is is completely seperate from the main heart of the game. A lot of people had characters they just kept in pre and never took on to post.

Why? Well some people like to actually help new players learn the game and guide them along. Others think that 'Pre" just has a different class of players and would just hang out and talk with out the selling spam filling up the chat window.

So PLEASE PLEASE Anet Please seperate Factions Beginners zones from the rest of the players and make it a special place

Thallandor

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29 Apr 2006 at 14:04 - 2
In a way i agree with the OP and see where the point was coming from but during the Day of the Tengu event, it was easier to solo the Naga fangs quest with Tyria lvl 20s and give them a chance to get the mask but since the event is over, theres nothing much really for them to be there except perhaps to help guildies on harder quest with otherwise would be low lvl hencies in your party.

Denshoni

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29 Apr 2006 at 14:05 - 3
Well there's always the filters, but 3/4 of the spammers don't use the trade chat anyway -_-

Maybe designating certain Districts as "Trade/Vending Districts" or only allowing the same message to be repeated "X" times could possibly lower the vast amounts of spam. Just some thoughts although the chances of it happening may be relatively small *ungodly amounts of pessimism fill me*

But for the most, limiting the Shing Jea area to Factions characters only is a very good idea.

quickmonty

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29 Apr 2006 at 14:08 - 4
The trade spammers have invaded Cantha! What did you expect? Keep bitchin' and if enough of us do maybe ...... maybe ...... Anet will do something about it.

You listening Anet?

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29 Apr 2006 at 14:09 - 5
If the Cantha "pre"area is closed off, it should be moved to a different map, totally separeted as Tyria pre-searing is, or changes made how titles specific to Cantha work.

1) You can't complete Protector of Cantha, which requires completion of the missions in Pre area [They aren't even completable now due to the locked doors]

2) You can't complete Explorer of Cantha, which requires you to scout out the areas at the Pre area as well.

Eragon Dragonslayer

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29 Apr 2006 at 14:11 - 6
well i would assume that theyd change that

zidane888

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29 Apr 2006 at 14:13 - 7
Um...if that is the only reason, then NO. I love going there with my lvl 20 and exploring the beautiful landscape etc...

The same thing can be said about lvl 20s selling in Ascalon. Lets not limit content based on what the unscrupulous minority chooses to partake in.

EternalTempest

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29 Apr 2006 at 14:16 - 8
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaguya
If the Cantha "pre"area is closed off, it should be moved to a different map, totally separeted as Tyria pre-searing is, or changes made how titles specific to Cantha work.

1) You can't complete Protector of Cantha, which requires completion of the missions in Pre area [They aren't even completable now due to the locked doors]

2) You can't complete Explorer of Cantha, which requires you to scout out the areas at the Pre area as well.
I'm very worried if it got shut off for these reason's as well.

Denshoni

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29 Apr 2006 at 14:17 - 9
Just shutting up spammers is the way to go then.

Example: Someone keeps spamming WTS "insert whatever". Say after repeating the message...let's say 10-15 times within 1 minute, that character is "silenced" and his messages can't be seen by anyone for 5 minutes or something along those lines. Not too faulty of a spam-prevention system is it? I think it'd work.

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29 Apr 2006 at 14:36 - 10
Uhm, does this mean that Ascalon should be off limits too?

The tutorial part of Factions is really like Ascalon in Prophecies.

This is such a stupid idea.

Close off the high level areas to low level players then, so they cant be run there..

Gli

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29 Apr 2006 at 15:55 - 11
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Originally Posted by Zaxan Razor
Close off the high level areas to low level players then, so they cant be run there..
Actually, they did. There are closed gates all over the place only to be opened after you've done certain quests/missions.

Hunter Sharparrow

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29 Apr 2006 at 16:43 - 12
A collectors item with no stats is hardly a reason to allow high level characters into a low level area. Besides, the lvl 5 assasin (no secondary) was able to not only slaughter the nagas solo but could take out level 12 yetis. The presearing in Prophecies doesn't allow characters to go back so the beginner area of cantha should be no different. As for a different map. The prophecies in presearing used a different map due to the searing event that changed the face of the map so unless something like that happens in cantha then there wouldn't be a need to use a different map for the before and after.

/signed. The beginning area should be for beginning characters.

And if you stay there long enough and manage to reach level 20 (or close to it) then hey, that's your choice.

Tarun

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29 Apr 2006 at 16:51 - 13
/not signed

Even high level characters should be able to explore the areas fully, expecially to get the 100% Cantha exploration.

ibex333

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29 Apr 2006 at 20:33 - 14
Quote:
Originally Posted by beanerman_99
I think that Anet should close down access to the beginners area to keep the high level characters out. They come in and try to sell all their high end gear to the lower levels and some towns are starting to see a lot of trade spam instead of people talking about missions and playing the game. Some try to take advantage of new players, trying to sell crap items at higher prices too.

I really like Prophecies "Pre" area and how is is completely seperate from the main heart of the game. A lot of people had characters they just kept in pre and never took on to post.

Why? Well some people like to actually help new players learn the game and guide them along. Others think that 'Pre" just has a different class of players and would just hang out and talk with out the selling spam filling up the chat window.

So PLEASE PLEASE Anet Please seperate Factions Beginners zones from the rest of the players and make it a special place
I disagree... If we are going to have what you are proposing, we might as well shut off Ascalon from lev 20 players, and same for Yak's Bend, and pretty much all low level PvE areas.

What if I want my lev 20 friend to come and help me? Why should I waste my precious time grinding, when I already have 3 level 20 characters, and I already know what it is like getting to level 20 without any help. Mabe I want to level a new character fast, and THEN have some REAL fun.

Also, it is the trader's right to scam and cheat newbs and get money out of them. It's business... If we had your way in real life, we'd have to shut down all car dealerships, because people are getting scammed the like crazy.
Someday these newbs will become more experienced, and they will get back the money that they foolishly spent in the past.

Above all, if it gets on your nerves to see people spamming in the trade chat, disable it! If they are not using the trade chat, put them on ignore!
I honestly cant understand why people who are trying to make a "dishonest" buck piss you off. I personally dont even notice them. When one is busy doing what he is doing, he doesnt notice anything around him, unless he is not busy enough....

penguo

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29 Apr 2006 at 20:37 - 15
Well the people who got to high levels in the pre area should be able to stay, but i agree high levels are coming with there rare items

Witchblade

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29 Apr 2006 at 21:18 - 16
/not signed this BS

1)main reason: explorer title
2)close then local / trades chans .. they re useless anyway
3)ignore highlvl selling stuff
4)stop posting nonsense

Vilaptca

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30 Apr 2006 at 04:09 - 17
Is the storage still available in Cantha's pre? Or did they remove that after the head start?

If it is still there...then it doesn't matter if you're level 20 or level 1. I can put fun greens or perfect weapons in there and sell them all day.

If you are going to close the pre area from higher levels, then you need to remove storage as well.

Loch

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30 Apr 2006 at 04:43 - 18
Trade improvements are (apparently) coming, so asking ANet to fix trade spam is just silly at this point.

Zui

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30 Apr 2006 at 05:14 - 19
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Incredibly bad idea.

Reaons:

1. No one could complete the explorer title.
2. The Protector of Cantha title would be impossible to attain for already level 20s.
3. Storage is still there. Disallowing level 20s from entering there would do absolutly nothing.

As for this proposal, if you really feel so strongly about this level 20s should be disallowed everywhere where there might be low level players, ascalon, yaks bend, henge of denravi, beetletun... The list goes on. People will stop selling things when there's no demand for them, and you can't stop the scammers... You can never stop the scammers, they even exist in pre-searing ascalon with "buying black and silver dye for 10g each."

If someone who is really so new gets scammed, they might loose what, 1k at the very most? If someone who has played quite a bit/ebayed gets scammed, that's their own fault.

Perphaps there needs to be somthing done with the non-trade chat channel spam, but frankly I rarely leave my local chat on for long anyway. Only time it's even on is when I'm looking to buy or looking for a PUG.

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30 Apr 2006 at 05:22 - 20
not signed.

Factions has so little low level content you can easily be lvl20 before you even leave the island, so prohibiting lvl20s there would be hard.

I think what you want is to not let Tyria made characters in. which would be retarded as they couldnt get alot of titles.

bilateralrope

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30 Apr 2006 at 05:43 - 21
The OPs complaints seem based purely on the ammount of trade spam happening, which is a problem all over guild wars, but the OP is only focused on the problem in one small area.

To me it seems that it would be a better idea if ANET worked to pervent trade spam everywhere, not just in one or two towns.

Besides, last time I was in pre-searing, there was trade spam there.

Denshoni

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30 Apr 2006 at 06:35 - 22
It's more important that something be done about the spam anyway.

If you're only worried about access preventing you from getting titles, then how about the pre-areas not being counted towards getting the 100% exploration?

Sientir

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30 Apr 2006 at 07:00 - 23
In my opinion, the "presearing" part of Factions has been blended with just after the "postsearing" part. You start off with a very comprehensive tutorial (if you so decide to); this tutorial in my mind is the true "presearing" of factions. It teaches you the basics. Though there is still more learning type things on the island, i see now reason as to why it should be off limit to higher level characters. It is a big chunk of land, and contains two missions. That's like closing off Ascalon, as many have said. Additionally, I think one of the definational parts of "presearing" is the lack of Xunlai, which is clearly present in the Monastery.

/notsigned

Weezer_Blue

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30 Apr 2006 at 08:10 - 24
I like the areas too much. Closing them would take (as my title said) ~20% of the game out.

Andy_M

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30 Apr 2006 at 11:17 - 25
Anyway, my Ranger wants to trade in his lynx for a tiger..

Spoony

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30 Apr 2006 at 11:21 - 26
Perhaps, pre-areas of cantha should not be counted for people coming from tyria(usually with high lvl) as a explorable terrain of cantha. Then there shouldnt be any problems with titles of this sort.

/signed

Arkantos

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30 Apr 2006 at 11:32 - 27
Guys, come on. This area is basically the ascalon of cantha. Yes theres new people, just like ascalon. Sure, new people may be confused with all the spamming to sell/buy, just like ascalon. Anyways, what can ANet do?
"Due to spamming Shing Jea is off limits. Yes, we fully understand you cannot do the quests or visit this island."

It wont blend in good, factions is released and changing it will be, well odd.
Theres a main city on the island, so if you close it off there will be 3 main cities, which isnt really much. I for one go back there to quest since there uber easy and lots of exp.

/notsigned

Hunter Sharparrow

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30 Apr 2006 at 15:57 - 28
Quote:
Uhm, does this mean that Ascalon should be off limits too?
Last I checked the presearing in Ascalon is off limits to high level characters (unless they obtained their high level in presearing).

Does that mean a Cantha character couldn't get the 100% Tyria exploration because they can't explore the presearing map? Shouldn't this apply to the Tyria characters when they come over to Cantha?

100% Cantha exploration is a BS reason anyway to allow high level character to go to a low level (were talking presearing low level not post searing low level) area when you compare it to the negetive impact it could have on the game for those that only bought factions.

beanerman_99

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30 Apr 2006 at 17:53 - 29
Wow I am really suprised by some responses. Most seem to think its a bad idea because of the Explorer Title. I just think thats the lamest excuse ever. In Prophecies you have to start a new character to explore the Pre area there and I think you should do the same in Factions, That or just make the Pre area not count for transfered characters.

Jesus, you all missed my point completely. The Pre area in Prophecies is, to me and a lot of people, a special place. It is not terribly tainted by high end gear, armor, players, and on and on. The pre area in Factions is not special at all. Anyone can come and go as they please it seems and I just think that it makes the area not too special anymore. And YES I also think they should not give you access to your storage until you get to the mainland in Factions. Can you imagine how ruined the pre sear in Prophecies would be if people had access to their storage? No thanks.

Tarun

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30 Apr 2006 at 18:27 - 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by beanerman_99
Wow I am really suprised by some responses. Most seem to think its a bad idea because of the Explorer Title. I just think thats the lamest excuse ever. In Prophecies you have to start a new character to explore the Pre area there and I think you should do the same in Factions, That or just make the Pre area not count for transfered characters.

Jesus, you all missed my point completely. The Pre area in Prophecies is, to me and a lot of people, a special place. It is not terribly tainted by high end gear, armor, players, and on and on. The pre area in Factions is not special at all. Anyone can come and go as they please it seems and I just think that it makes the area not too special anymore. And YES I also think they should not give you access to your storage until you get to the mainland in Factions. Can you imagine how ruined the pre sear in Prophecies would be if people had access to their storage? No thanks.
They've already said that pre-searing doesn't count towards to total of Tyria exploration. Cantha's "pre" does. To you it's a "lame excuse", a shame you cannot accept it as a reality. I'd be rather ticked if they locked the Cantha "pre" areas, because I would like to try and get 100% for the Cantha exploration title as well.

The pre-searing in Ascalon is boring to a large majority as well. I know many people who simply get the skills and get out as soon as possible. Heck, I like the appearance of pre-searing Ascalon, but aside from that it's quite boring there.

You made your point, people understand it but they are individuals and most will or will not agree with you. In this case a majority have not agreed. Sorry if that upsets you but it's a part of life. I for one do not agree, though I have stated one of my primary reasons.

pyrohex

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30 Apr 2006 at 19:28 - 31
Quote:
Originally Posted by beanerman_99
Wow I am really suprised by some responses. Most seem to think its a bad idea because of the Explorer Title. I just think thats the lamest excuse ever. In Prophecies you have to start a new character to explore the Pre area there and I think you should do the same in Factions, That or just make the Pre area not count for transfered characters.

Jesus, you all missed my point completely. The Pre area in Prophecies is, to me and a lot of people, a special place. It is not terribly tainted by high end gear, armor, players, and on and on. The pre area in Factions is not special at all. Anyone can come and go as they please it seems and I just think that it makes the area not too special anymore. And YES I also think they should not give you access to your storage until you get to the mainland in Factions. Can you imagine how ruined the pre sear in Prophecies would be if people had access to their storage? No thanks.
Ah, so you're disparaging the goals of other players? That's an excellent way to get ANet to listen to you, because you obviously are the majority of players in the game.

If you want to go back to a special place, go start a new character in Prophecies again. Sound extreme? It is. Less however, than cutting off the millions of established Prophecies players from accessing 20% of Factions.

bilateralrope

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30 Apr 2006 at 21:00 - 32
For those wanting to limit tryian characters comming to the shing jea islands, if you dont also block the canthan characters, then you will just delay the trade spam till the spammers get their characters through it.

If you block the canthan characters from returning, then if they miss eaither of the 15 attribute point quests (both are on the shing jea islands) before leaving, they have permantly screwed over that character. So this isn't an option, unless you want both of the 15 attribute point quests moved.

But if you do that, you are making a lot of work for ANET to end the trade spam in only one location. Work that could be better done working towards ending trade spam everywhere.

Sidra

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30 Apr 2006 at 21:13 - 33
/notsigned. Period.

Stockholm

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30 Apr 2006 at 21:22 - 34
Quote:
Originally Posted by beanerman_99
And YES I also think they should not give you access to your storage until you get to the mainland in Factions. Can you imagine how ruined the pre sear in Prophecies would be if people had access to their storage? No thanks.
You now have access to your storage even in pre-sear Ascalon if you are in a guild that has storage in Guild Hall, so the whole argument falls on that.!!!!!!!!!!!

Sientir

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30 Apr 2006 at 21:24 - 35
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stockholm
You now have access to your storage even in pre-sear Ascalon if you are in a guild that has storage in Guild Hall, so the whole argument falls on that.!!!!!!!!!!!
Unless they changed something, i'm pretty darn sure you can't access the guild hall from Presearing Ascalon.

Stockholm

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30 Apr 2006 at 21:29 - 36
There wasno need to restrict acces to guild hall before so why would they have done that? If you joind a guild who has a hall you must be able to go there, you can't go on from the hall anyway, unless you allready have destinations on your map.

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30 Apr 2006 at 21:31 - 37
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy_M
Anyway, my Ranger wants to trade in his lynx for a tiger..
Been there, done that