Survivor Title should be available to ALL Characters!

I just found out that the Survivor Title is only available to "newly created" characters.

That really really really really sucks!

What about players who already have a bunch of titles on their favorite character and want to get a survivor title on that character too? There is no reason why there shouldn't be able to!

Clearly Anet values players who keep their characters for a long time, that's why they give them Birthday presents.

In keeping with the spirit of "valuing old characters", please let them earn the Survivor Title if they have the skill to do so with their old characters!

Suggestions for implementing this into the game:

Make an NPC who you can pay a gold fee to in order for him to remove all deaths from your character and set you on the "Path of the Survivor" or what not. It doesn't even matter what the fee is, 50k, 100k, 300k - hey not only are you giving old characters what they want and need, you also just have a nifty major gold sink too!

Or, make the Survivor Title account-based so anyone who makes a new character and earns it that way can still slap the Title onto his old, favorite character too. Given the difficulty in achieving the Survivor Title, it is perfectly reasonable for it to be an account-based Title.

Bottom line: discriminating against old characters by denying them the right to achieve a Survivor Title is not fair, morally wrong, and a major frustration, so please fix it!

I don't think they should have anything in place to remove your number of deaths.

But if you have a character that has never died, then you should be able to have the Title "Survivor".

It's going to be quite easy to earn the survivor title on old characters with power levelling and solo farming. Anet may have thought that this would make it too easy compared to achieving the title with a new character (especially with the tougher Canthan PvE missions)

My character never died since the Survivor Title was implemented therefore he should be eligible to earn the title. Not discriminated against for being an old character.

If power levelling is a problem then Anet can nerf the way XP is earned to prevent power levelling. They did that in Diablo II. They can do it in Guild Wars too.

changing the way exp is handled for an entire game seems a bit an of an over the top way to allow old toons to get a survivor title.

If anything the title should be removed completely. We already have ragequitters, do we really need people that abort mission as soon as their health gets below 50% ?

Anyone can not die for that much experience at level 20. The task is to do it at low level, from creation to level 20. Nobody cares that your twinked out character can survive for a bit.

Really, given the game's design I think it's a rather worthless title. Anyone can get this title pretty much, since you get experience for the kills your party makes, so long as you are invovled. It will just encourage droppers and such. If people want it, make a hardcore server.
Lol, do you even know what "moral" means? How is it unfair? To give an award for new characters who manage to get to level 20without dying is perfectly fair - they are rewarding the getting to level 20 without dying, something your existing character cannot do. What does morality have to do with it?

Scrap the title anyway, nothing good will come from it.

I didn't know this title existed until now so there is no wanting on my part. As for needing the title, ha, all it means is that you never die it doesn't say anything about you actually getting close enough to someone to get hurt and risk death.

As for your claim of discrimination, just because I have failed at capping a spider does this mean I am entitled to one even tho I have not earned one.

If you want the title, create a character and earn it.

I want to earn the title but I want to earn the title on my main character that I've invested countless hours into already. Not a new character that I would have no interest in making my main character.

If it's such a big a problem to earn the title starting at level 20, then Anet can implement a way to send my existing old character back to level 1 to get the XP again. However, once the title is achieved I should get all my armor/weapons/skills acquired/ other stuff for that character/ back instead of having to spend hundreds and hundreds of hours getting that stuff again.

Or, just make it an account-based title. That works just as well and wouldn't take any dev time at all.

to get the title you do you need to be level 20 with 0 deaths?

An invalid comparison. I did not "fail" at earning the Survivor Title by dying before it existed. Most of my deaths are due to one guy dropping at the start or someone is missing a skill, and then we all decide "let's everybody die so we can start again". Had the Survivor Title existed at that time, then obviously those deaths would not be on my character's death record, and I would have been much more careful in general gameplay too. Hence the concept of "failure" cannot be applied to this situation.

This is discrimination because it is penalizing the old characters from having an equal opportunity to earn the title.

If I don't have the required fee, will I be discreminated against? No. It's because I don't meet the requirement of paying the specified fee. Just like a character that dies, even those that existed before this title was available, does not meet the requirement of not dying.

Because I didn't start playing until a few months ago I can't give specifics on what follows. As I understand it, there are things available now that were not available when the game was first released. Instead of makeing everyone replay missions/quests inorder to obtain those new items why not automatically give the "new item" to those who previously played those same mission/quests.

/signed

Man this is terrible. I also wanted my main char of 11 months to attain this title.

Well then perhaps anet should just wipe all the uncovered areas for all Tyrian Characters and make them all start out at 0%; since that would discriminate against the new characters that are created and make them have to uncover areas that everyone else has already uncovered. Perhaps all the elites should be removed from our skill list, not to mention mission/bonus completes. Your arguement for having your deaths wiped and allowing you to be given a 'survivor' title is completely baseless; since there wasn't any motivation to uncover all of the maps, finish all the missions/bonus', gain as many elites as possible, etc. then those people didn't truely 'earn' their titles either.

The fact is you did not set a goal for yourself not to die, despite the fact that deaths are counted. Thus you did not earn a 'survivor' title, because as you've already stated "Most of my deaths are due to one guy dropping at the start or someone is missing a skill, and then we all decide "let's everybody die so we can start again"." You made a choice to incur a death and have that counted against you; which is infact even worse than dying while on a mission/quest, since you knowingly killed yourself for no reason other than to start over.

I, on the otherhand, decided to play through the game and finish it without dying and only using henchmen. And if you don't like the fact that you can't get that title anymore then too bad. Asking for deaths to be removed so that you can have that title that would discriminate against everyone who either has or has tried to play through the game without dying.

/not signed

It's not a matter of "remove my deaths and give me the title". Rather it is a matter of "remove my deaths and give me a fair and equal opportunity to earn the title on my main character."

I am quite willing to play through the game again to earn it on my main character. That's not a problem.

The problem is that Anet has provided no outlet to do this and the title is not account-based so I can't get it on my main character that way either.

Hence it needs to be fixed by action on the part of Anet.

I've been hearing and reading about another title that involves gaining 600,000xp without dying once. That title has 55hp written all over it, but at least it can be obtained by a pre-existing character. Can someone confirm whether this exists?

Indomitable Survivor 587,500xp without dying.

Then tell me how this is either 'earning' your title or any different from starting a new character?

You have your deaths erased and 'boom' you instantly get your title. Even though you've already died and you don't deserve to get it in the first place. You already have the xp from being able to play through the game and finish all the quests. Even though you more than likely did die in a 'non-suicide' attempt, like you claim most of your deaths are.

Or if you're willing to start over and actually earn it, then tell me how that's any different than deleting your current character and making a new one with the same name. Is it because you'll lose all the hours you had on that character? If so that just raises more questions. Like why would having X amount of age be more important than having 0 Deaths?

And furthermore what exactly will you say to the people who actually 'earned' their title? Are you going to say "Too bad I want a right to earn that title, even though I don't deserve it because I already had the chance to earn it but decided to kill msyelf because someone in my party forgot a skill"?

Do I understand you correctly? You did not "fail" at earning the title by dying before it existed but yet you expect to be given something that did not exist when you started your main (first?) character.

Your logic escapes me.

How is it different from deleting my character?! Are you kidding me? I had my main character for 11 months. I got very expensive armor and weapons customized for it. I spent a whole whackload of gold on all that. I spent much time capturing skills all over the place for it. I got unique customized items for it like Halloween items. Should I have to give up all that history, time, energy, skill and gold investment in acquiring all these things just so my main character can have a fair and equal opportunity to get the Survivor Title? No. I should not. That is not fair, and the notion that players should be forced to do so is ludicrous.

I also don't wanna forsake my Birthday present or my two years Birthday present.

Again, statements like "you decided to kill yourself before the Title existed therefore you should be ineligible to get it on your main character" are also ridiculous. It didn't exist, therefore there was no way to know I would later, in the distant future, be penalized for killing myself or being careless in gameplay. Therefore holding that against a player and discriminating against old characters in that way is morally wrong.

I think the Survivor title should never have been made, gunna be ragequit crazy and the elitist side of PVE groups only looking for specific classes.

I'd say people had their "fair" opportunity to earn the title, but just didn't know about it at the time. For example, the guy that had a million deaths when ahead and beat the game with another character with zero deaths. My point is that people could have RPG'd their characters as hardcore and self deleted them if they died. Sure you didn't know, but letting a lvl 20 character reset their deaths is like transfering a maxed out character over to hardcore after they've already primed their stats and tweaked their build.

I'd be in favor of of a hardcore server, but this is the best this game will probably do, so I'm happy to see the title.

Oh so you wanted all the perks of having a character that's a year old but when it came to deaths you were just willing to ignore that? Making the decision to ignore your deaths was your choice. Just like it was your choice to try to get the elites, try to get rare weapons, try to get good armor, and try to large amounts of gold. But judging from your comment I'll guess that you have unlocked elites with your main character. What then should Anet do for a person who whines about not being allowed to have the skill hunter title because he/she decided to unlock all or most of their elites using faction? Should they be allowed to complain just like you? You also seem to value getting your Birthday gift; what should be done about all the players who deleted their first characters? Should they just be given a present even though it's not really their characters birthday? They don't deserve a present anymore than you deserve getting the Survivor title.

"I got unique customized items for it like Halloween items. Should I have to give up all that history, time, energy, skill and gold investment in acquiring all these things just so my main character can have a fair and equal opportunity to get the Survivor Title?" Yes you should, because who is to say you wouldn't have died in the process of getting all that anyways. You act as though you're the only player in the world who wasn't told about this. Who is to say that I wouldn'tve opened every chest I could, identified every gold item, explored 100% of the map, or captured every elite skill that I could.

But hey maybe you're right, maybe I should be given every key I sold and didn't use, maybe I should be given Grandmaster Cartographer, and given every elite skill in the game; because, hell who knows what I'dve done if I had known about the titles. It's only fair right? Because keeping those titles from me is morally wrong!

Again I am not asking to be "given" the title. I am merely asking for an opportunity to earn it on my main character. Saying deaths was "my choice" is absurd because only someone with magical psychic powers would be able to tell that dying to restart a mission would be used to penalize you in the future.

You're right, I might have died in trying to get the Survivor Title and all that other stuff too. In which case I would accept that I failed at earning the Survivor Title and be perfectly fine with that. However, since there has been zero opportunity to earn that Title, failure cannot be
"future-actively" applied to old characters.

The skill capture Title won't matter if you got them with faction, because your character still would be able to capture the skill even if you already unlocked it with faction.

Yes, people who got screwed out of their Birthday presents by deleting characters should also have Anet do something to make it fair for them, but that's a totally different issue.

No I'm not the only player who is getting screwed by this. I do not want this change just for me personally; but rather for all Guild Wars player who wish to have a fair chance to earn the Survivor Title on their main character.

To quote the stones - "You can't always get what you want"

I have a launch day character - and this title isn't available. Those are the breaks. Your charcter had a chance to earn it - but you died - by choice (shocking since you love your character so much you won't consider making another). I have several titles that I got retroactively like elites, maps and missions. This could of been one as well had your deaths been zero. titles are nice to have things you earned. Simply - you did not earn this one - and now you want the rules changed so you can. Sorry I vote no.

Question - have you ever pvp'd? with your main?? Did you die coming out of the academy? Those count as deaths you know?

Wow, this is a fun statement! Do you think when ANet created Guild Wars they went "Hey, you know what? When everyone's characters become 12 months old, we should give them a mini-pet! But lets not tell them about it, so we can listen to people complain and say we didn't give them any warning." Doubtful.

The birthday present is a reward for loyalty. It's a privallige, NOT a RIGHT. You are not "entitled" to anything.

"But I would have saved my character if I knew there were going to be gifts."

So the only reason you would keep a character you deleted is to get the gift? That's the ONLY reason? I say this, because clearly you deleted the character for a reason, and now the only reason to not have deleted it is for the gift? Wow...

You aren't getting screwed. You are simply getting what you've got. I seriously doubt ANet thought about the "surivor" title during GW development years ago. It's a new REWARD.

You don't "deserve" anything in this game except what you paid for. What you paid for is 4/6/8/whatever character slots, and access to Chapter 1 and or 2 content. That is it. Anything else is a PRIVALLIGE, not a RIGHT.

When you first purchased GW, did you go to the cashier with the intent of "earning the Survivor title on your main character" ? Chances are, no. So that is not what you paid for. Thus, anything granted to you from ANet AFTER you purchased GW is a privallige, a reward... not a mandate that you deserve.

If you really want the title, because its that important to you. Make a new character and go earn it from the start, like everyone else. Otherwise, its clearly not important and you just want it as "just another shinney ornament on my aged character."

/not-signed

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As an asside, its interesting to see how diffused this mentality is in these forums. The "Too many rares drop, economy go bye-bye, fix it or else Anet!" thread is rife with it.

I agree that it's unfair on those who didn't die before the title was released but making it available after you reach level 20 makes the title alot easier, Getting to level 20 without dieing and then playing through PvE still without dieing is a massive challenge and (to some degree) what has to be done to earn survivor. All a level 20 (that has died) would need to do is grind trolls or other mobs, and he could just start all over again if it went wrong.

The only way to make this title fair for the characters that were created before it came out is too make it account based.

/not signed

Edit: Amen Does-It-Matter!

Oh and btw 256k exp into second tier survivor 0 deaths so far...

Holy Necromancy!
2 years old thread!

This guis just used some hard rez signet..

lmao it is available to all characters you just gotta make sure you don't die before you get to lvl 20
it gives a bit more challenge
cuz now everyone can get it by going to dwarvenboxing
/notsigned

What do you mean? duis?

Many years ago, before factions came out survivor isn't available (that's what he's complaining about). And Dwarven boxing is pretty slow compared to farming.

He means you just brought back a thread that has not been posted in for 2 years.

This is referred to as 'thread ressing' hence the res sig pun

Man i'm good at explaining things

Yeah MANY years ago.
What's the point in ressing the thread when you're only going to /notsign anyway?

Sorry I'm a total noob @ forums, and I hate people who take the piss out of survivours Tyla