Petition to fix Vizunah Square

This mission is bugged beyond playability, how I passed it with my first character must have been pure luck. I have been trying to do this for the past hour on my second character and either Togo doesn't move, or he dies. Those are the only two options taking place. I heard there have been several build updates, apparently none of them have fixed this bug and some one or other has probably served to make it worse.

This is not a trivial bug, this is the first point in the entire short storyline.

Not only that, but even if you don't hit the bug, you are relying on a team you can't communicate with and can't effectually aid, with less experience, skills, and levels, to keep Togo alive. Poor show.

The mission has two teams.

If you are losing it is because the other team doesn't realize they are causing you to fail.

Most people tend to fail because some people decide to go in solo with 7 henchies and the other team is stuck with a really bad team.

Native Canthan characters go with Togo.

Tyria characters go with Mehnlo.

It seems if you skip the 3 groups of Assassins with Mhenlo, it will glitch.

Thanks Captain Obvious, it has nothing to do with the meat of my posts about bugs.

Can't communicate with?

Local chat ftw.

/signed

the 2 sides of 8 is a great idea but... so many times we went in with 1-3 players and hench so when those n00b's figured out they couldn't win or tried to just screw up on purpose or generally be crapola players we lost, over and over.

Also, there are tons of folks trying to time it right to match up the 2 quarters so when they dont end up with thier buddies, they leave, leaving togu or mhenlo to die. Not to mention if you do happen to get through the first fight, the 2 of them or one is stuck and wont move. Which is totally annoying.

for those of you living under a rock there is a bug where the NPC gets stuck and wont open the gate for you to go on with the mission (sometimes), plus its good odds you will be attacked during the cinimatic(will they ever learn). Bear in mind this is the first "mission" not quest that you will do if you take over an old toon, thats not going to leave you with a good impression.

If Anet need a petition to fix this, they can cram GW3 up there shed.

As to the other team failing also failing you, its crap imo, but its not a bug it seems, personally i think its dumb as you cant control the other team in anyway, but hey if thats how anet want to do it fine.

you can talk to the other team, but you have no control over them, You cant choose them, you cant stop quitters (see gabrial hearts post), you may be the best in the world and fail because of some other team. I was lucky and did it first time, alot of people are failing it through no fault of there own.

The mission is doable with a full team of human players even if the henchmen team dies.

rofl. aborstone makes this mission look like a piece of cake

I did it with henchies, and so did the person on the other side. And I was an assassin, too.

Assuming you can get to Togo before he dies without bugging the mission. Nigh impossible.

Arborstone is a pansy mission compared to this bugged lamefest.

Arborstone is easy? The bug is fixed.

Moan. Sigh. I just can't wait to have my success/failure go beyond my teammates and guildies. (That's sarcasm, by the way.) That's why I chose Guild Wars. I didn't HAVE to deal with other people.

Forget the diffuculty level (i dont like reliying on another team, but if thats what they want to do fine, just dont expect me to be happy)

The bugs are what really matter, anyone want to defend them?

It just makes me sad that its the first mission for old toons, not a good way to start.

They're not your teammates, and you can't make sure they're your guildies. You're paired with another team randomly.

let me say this ..

even if u take care of the assassins, u play with two full human teams .. they ll bug (i even managed to clear the 3 first zones w/o even seeing raise used... things went perfectly... togo didnt follow, Menhlo was stuck in a wall (he wasnt stuck he was REALLY in the wall )

another thing

there is no need for a petition, that's the least ANet could do

THIS MUST BE FIXED ASAP, period

Yoy Can Communicate with the other team if you use ALLIANCE CHAT (%) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gone throug with 2 Tyrians so far, 1 had 3 players and 5 henchis. And don't forget that there is not that many Canthan players that far in game yet so alot of Togo teams are all Henchis.

The flaw in henchie AI design really shows if you take some from the Canthan side. While defending Togo they'll be attracted to the player movements of the OTHER team. So they do faceplants into the walls, and don't do anything, leaving Togo vulnerable. =/

There are two more cooperative missions in the game. Enjoy. At least in those you won'tget paired with a team full of L14 assassins who haven't bought armor.

Oh, and the bug is indeed due to skipping the assassins. There's a similar bug in the primary quest that takes you to the Temple, run ahead of Mhenlo to talk to Nika and the quest bugs out and can't be completed. Apparently the QA department never considered that the players might deviate from their carefully considered script.

/signed.

Also well were here anet - please (re)fix the bug where u get placed in a foreign language district after a mission, the bug where the water doesnt load proparly at the menu screen if you log out and log on as a different character, hench getting stuck on NPC...

They're too busy nerfing stuff to fix bugs, man.

um...biggest bug i saw was when my henchman gets agro by the other team and they all just try to go to the other team, running away from me and togo. at one point, i seem them all spread out trying to get to the other team and me at the same time, just running back and forth in the middle of the map.

yeah when I went through this mission on my ele it was so cake! we had all henchies on the other side and Togo took virtually no damage!

I went to go through on my ranger: assissin and rit on the other side.... togo dead before we finished the second mob on our way down.

Again: Rit Togo dead before we got the first mob (OYE!!!!)

again: assissin: made it to the last mob togo died

idea: RUN TO TOGO! = GLITCH!

So we cleared everything in the area and couldnt get togo to move his fancy pants!

disheartened cause we had a great group we dispersed and called it a night (3hrs trying to beat it).

Last night we try it again: first guy I GOT HIM HE WILL BE FINE! (assissin I think) BOOM dead before the last mob -_-
(twice this happened)

Then we come across an assassin with a staff XD!!!!
She was so confused! Anyways we talked her through it (she couldnt figure out who the heck was talking to her over local chat) and we beat it.

The trick is don't take on to much agro and try not to target anything that is not dirrectly on master togo or you will draw even more agro and get him killed! Simple as that!

The problem is being from the foriegn quarter it's easy for us - but we get lvl 15's on the other side who have no clue what to do and no party to help them till we get there! None of them are monks cause well its Cantha you dont create a new character in Cantha thats a monk! So silly it's simple enough if the locals know what to do and that is to stay back and not attack anything unless it is dirrectly on top of Togo!

If you are an assassin for the love of all that is good: STAY BEHIND MASTER TOGO AND ONLY FIGHT THE MELEE THAT COMES ON HIM! -_- Or use a staff XD!


Poster above me: You would be surprised as to how well Master Togo can keep himself up - if your henchies are running away from agro then they aren't taking damage and Togo wont waste the heals he needs on himself to heal any of your party. Why this is I don't know but thats just the way I notice it working! I just notice it works better if they are running from him *shrugs*

You know what? They should just make the words "TILT!" flash on the screen if you jump to the cut scene to let you know that you lost until they fix the bug.

this mission is NOT bugged, considering I doing mmhenlos patha and 2 Koreans doing togos path all the rest henchies schooled the mission with all 3 swords, i would say youre doing something wrong or your monk sucks

not in my experience :/ i beat vizunah first try with a pretty decent pug, but cannot beat aborstone for my life. any spell over 2s cast is interupted. period. very hard to heal, and the kurzick chick couldnt cast her damn spell. but if you say its been fixed than hurray!

the only bug i've seen occur with this mission is running to the cinematic, which happened a few times when some team members didn't listen. i've done the mission twice, and when i did it on my Tyrian monk, the Canthan team consisted of 2 human players (neither primary monk) and rest henchies yet we completed it. mainly because by this time we'd failed about 7 times and learnt that we should just kill the mobs along the way as fast as possible and hope for the best.

second char i did it on was my ranger (also from Tyria) but after a few failures we got lucky and met a Canthan team consisting of human players only.

it helps if you communicate with the other team, makes it a lot more fun too =p i remember making bets with the other team once because they claimed that Togo had never died with them... they lost of course ^^

Has anyone done it since the last build? I think not. I think they just permanently bugged what was already conditionally buggy.

And two, Malak, why don't you try my new underwater breathing bean, it lets you breathe underwater, go try it out. Your message was neither understandable or useful.

Soo many bugs in GWF, why can't they fix this shiet before they release it. Lol i see it coming "WE CHARGE 10 DOLLARS TO FIX ALL BUGS!"(read my "Stop the Charges" thread), also, I do agree this mission is do-able, but it is not a "first mission of the game" kind of mission. It is very difficult, even with a very strategic build, due to many many bugs in this mission, also the being attacked while in a cinematic is something that GW is too lazy to fix.

I remember me and like 20 guildies reported this MANY months ago, and it is still not fixed, why can't GW fix all this shiet.... thats above me, too busy making campaign 3 when 2 is a pile of shit.

I see two serious bugs in this mission:

1. Togo/Mhenlo stopping to move. I'm not sure about skipping any assassins, as I've played this mission with my canthan char only, so far, but this happened to me when playing with full henchmen (yes, my team and all of Mhenlo's).

2. Neither Mhenlo nor Jamei will ress members of Mhenlo's team. I'm not sure what triggers this, but I've seen dead henches all over the place, Mhenlo merrily walking away. This is plain stupid.

Also, this is supposed to be cooperative? How about Morale Boosts for Boss kills? Only one team will get them. Dropped gold can be picked up by both teams, but will only be split by the team of the one who picked it up.

I'm not complaining about the difficulty. If they think having such a difficult mission that early in the game is a good idea... ok. When I finally managed it, I did it with henches again (playing A/N, spamming Well of Blood) and the other team was one lone W/Mo, with henches, too. Took me more tries than most other missions before, though.

I had to repeat this mission 5 or 6 times to do it but at no time did I encounter a serious bug. The only thing remotely buggy was for some reason the henchmen went psycho and were running left then right then left then right then left then right (etc) really fast like they were bouncing of invisble walls at high speed. When that happened, the npc's wouldn't attack anything unless I specifically ctrl space targeted mobs.

This mission is based on the Tyria team I think. The Cantha team are there to divert aggro.. you know, meat shields XD

im a Canthan monk but im getting to lvl 20 before i do the mission, just have 3 last quests from keignen center first.. I became a monk because i had a PREMONITION that everyone would be an Assasin or Rit and noone would heal, and since i didnt have a monk from Profecies i made 1.. u better hope u get in the mission with me this coming weekednd.. lol

Well I just did it on my lvl 16 assasin with henchies (waaaaaaaay better than pugs) and so did the guy on the other team, 14 henchies and us 2 pwned face so chill

hurray we are saved !!

Well, I just tried this mission. I was a solo Assassin with henchies and the other side was all human. They ran past a couple of assassins on the way in , and Togo never moved from his spot. We went on and Mhenlo stopped not much further down the road. We took out all mobs we could and then went back and killed the assassins. Togo and Mhenlo wouldn't move. Mission over. WTF.

Fix it ANet, or make an objective to not do whatever we are doing that is causing what you apparently feel is not a bug.

BTW, I was told by the other half of my team to tell everybody in the Canthan district to not go with henches - even a team of 8 assassins would be better. Apparently they haven't tried to join a group as an Assassin.

I found this mission quite easy, I whent in with a grp of 7 henchies, togo diddnt die at-all, we killed off the first grp before mhenlo's party even got there..

they arrived, we fight again, move on to the second location, a few deaths here and there, we get past that, move onto the third location, we kill them... GG mission over...

I dont see ppl's problem, If they know the game, and how to control henchies there should be no issue.

I made a second monk

One is a level 20 monk from Tyria and I have now made a Canthan version of it

ah: the benefit of having two accounts ( let's forget about buying factions twice here for a second ?? ).

No it really isnt.

The mission is easy, i could do it with full henchmen, but im standing here now and all my pug have left, the woman you're supposed to protect is standing at the end of the mission constantly casting the spell over and over and the doors wont open :\

omfg wat a fustrating mission

to all those who think it is easy, try it again, garentee you will fail, if u passed it, u got lucky.

some people really have no clue what to do, some people are in the foriegn quaters saying "LF Assassin/Ritualst".

Then you get groups with only henchies on the other side, they most likely die before you get there

then theres the chance the NPC's get stuck, so i think theres a strategy to avoid this, by letting the other team clear the area before you activate the cutscene, but never works, 9 times out of 10 its 1 human player, and again 9 times out of 10 its an assassin, so fat chance of that, so yeah very very very fustrating mission.

anyway to those who have done it, do it again, and report back.

Went through on my ranger (Foreign District) and had no bugs. We met up with a 2nd group of Henchmen (yay!) who actually helped us with our group. we basically had a giant 16 person group (plus mhenlo and togo, who took no damage and werent glitched) and went through the mission weaksauce but quickly. I don't know what y'all are talking about.