Sentinel's PvP build, need feedback

Okay so what do you think of this build, please let me know what you think and tell me any flaws you see (meaning things that this build will have a tough time with).

Warrior/Monk

Armor:
All Sentinel's with Knight's Boots or Gloves (depending on your visual preference)

Weapon (primary):
Axe or Sword
3/-1 vampiric mod
+1 Axe/Sword (20% chance)
15% more damage while enchanted

Weapon (secondary):
Axe or Sword, no Vampiric Mod, but anything else you want

Shields:
Strength shield with +45 health -2 received damage while enchanted
Strength shield with +60 health -3 received damage while hexed
Or whatever else you want

Runes:
Superior Axe/Sword
Superior Absorption
Superior Strength
Superior Vigor

Attributes:
Strength 9+1+3 = 13
Axe/Sword 11+3 = 14
Healing 8
Smiting 8

Skills:
Battle Rage (Strength)
Standing Slash (Swordsmanship, Factions)
Sun and Moon Slash (Swordsmanship, Factions)
Galrath Slash (Swordsmanship)
Factions Galrath Slash equivalent (forgot the name)
Mending (Healing, +3 health regen)
Strength of Honor (Smiting, +6 damage)
Ressurection Sigent

The idea of the build is pretty straight forward. Cast Mending, Cast Strength of Honor, get Battle Rage going and go nuts with the adrenaline skills. You've got 13% armor penetration from you Strength being at 13, constant healing from Mending + Vampiric. 9 extra damage from Strength of Honor and Vampiric. And you've got 100 armor. Sure you get dinged VS degen, but what warrior build doesn't?

Then there is the Axe version where you use 4 axe adrenaline skills. I haven't done it yet but plan to as soon as I can. With Factions, there are now two versions of Penetrating blow, which means 33% armor penetration. I'd use those two, Dismember for the Deep Wound, and Executioner's Strike for the good Damage. I think the Axe version will work out better due to the Deep Wound skill. I doin't like using Sever/Gash with sword because it limits the damage "spike" from having 4 good damaging skills down to two (once you cause bleeding and deep wound those two skills become useless against the same target).

I also tried incorporating Sigent of Strength (at 13 Strength: Your Next 14 attacks do +5 damage) for a total of +14 damage per attack but it caused problems with Battle Rage.

Let me know what you think, thanks!

Do not bring mending in pvp, ever.

Quote: Originally Posted by Excal

Excal:
Please expand. Why not bring Mending into PvP? I never quite understood this one.

Of course I play mostly RA, but my question still stands.


JR-:
If I have -2 energy regen from enchantments I can't bring in skills that require energy.

And what's wrong with Battle Rage? Move 25% faster, it's like a constant Sprint, plus gain adrenaline faster: you can use those adrenaline skills twice as many times. It just takes 4 hits to start the madness.

Mending is a bad heal on a character that doesn't need to devote atribute points to healing anyway. It is a waste of energy, atribute points, and the skill slot that it ocupies. A warrior should be able to get away with healing sig as a heal in PvP, if that.

You have no Deep Wound, why? It looks like you're confusing DPS with spiking.

Personaly I don't why you'd use Sentinal's armor anyway. If you insist on using Battle Rage, you could use Legionare's and then not be 'forced' into using a +str helm, which is good because +str helms suck.

16 Sword
? Str
? Tactics

Sever
Gash
Final Thrust
*something*
Bull's Charge
Frenzy
Healing Signet
Res Sig

That should work better if you plan on killing targets in PvP.

Mending's healing pips is so small it really doesn't make a difference unless your running away. With all the health degen and spikes, 3 or so more regen is...not too great.

I use Battles Rage sometimes for farming but that fact that when it ends, you lose all adrenaline and you can't use any non-attack spell while it's on isn't too beneficial.

Anyway, the name of the skill your thinking of is Silverwing Slash.

I usually do a build quite similar to thisin RA except I use an axe. Legionaries (sp?) armor is your best bet because you should always be in a stance with battle rage on.

Quote: Originally Posted by Ruhern

Use this build with the following equipment to have fun in RA with sentinel armor.
Warrior/Necro

Equipment
Sentinel Armor except for boots: Use Knight boots.
Zealous axe of defense (+1 energy on hit/-1 energy regen, +5 armor, +15% damage when in stance)
Shield (AL 16, +45Hp, -2 Damage reduction when in stance)
Sup absorption rune.
Sup vigor rune.

Attributes
12+3 Axe
9+1+3 Strenght
9+1 Tactics

Skills
Rez signet
Plague touch
Healing signet
Frenzy
Rush
"Watch Yourself"
Power Attack
Eviscerate [E]

Warrior basics apply:
Use frenzy only to spike or against static opponents. Don't use healing signet under frenzy. Renew Watch yourself only when needed or to protect a nearby teammate. Trigger the Deep Wound of Eviscerate with Power attack, which you should spam. Be in Rush state always to meet your equipment requirements.
Use plague touch only to get rid of problematic conditions (Blind/Cripple). Fight degen with Healing signet.

Have fun with your 141 armor/-7Damage reduction.
A max fireball shouldn't deal to you more than 30 damage.

Giving up hp (sup rune) for higher armor worth it?

Quote: Originally Posted by Nightwish

Okay, so the main point is damage right...

The way I see it, my build still does more damage than the builds presented to me. With Battle Rage, adrenaline gain is increased, making my 4 adrenaline damage skills more spammable, not to mention I'm running 25% faster all the time.

Quote: Originally Posted by Ruhern

Quote: Originally Posted by Ruhern Excal:
Please expand. Why not bring Mending into PvP? I never quite understood this one. Quote: Originally Posted by Katari

Like I said, I play mostly RA. If I played TA or anything else where I knew there'd be monks it'd be a different story I suppose. However, I did drop the attribute points from healing and put them into Tactics using Healing Signet (however using this skill ends Battle Rage, hindering the whole idea of the build very much). I even messed around with no Smiting, maxed out Swords and put the rest into Tactics using 5 different attack skills.

I must say though, that glountz's build does NOT do more damage than my build. Power Attack, Eviscerate, and Frenzy do not meet the damage output of 4 or 5 attack skills with Battle Rage. If you don't believe me, try it out for yourself.

And one thing I was wondering, if I'm supposed to depend on the monk and not bring my own monk heal skills, why would I bring healing sig? Double standards, all of you! Shame! If Mending is not enough, I'll bring Mending and Live Vicariously.

Well, I don't have any idea why glontz put power attack on that build...

Attributes
12+1+3 Axe
6+1 Strenght
11+1 Tactics

Skills
Rez signet
Plague touch
Healing signet
Frenzy
Sprint
"Watch Yourself"
Exe Strike
Eviscerate [E]

That's a bit better, you should swap out 'WY!" for another attack skill if you plan to use this build outside of RA. Altough I am honestly not a fan of playing warriors in RA as it is.

Edit, eh, I don't even use "WY!" in RA for that matter...

Quote: Originally Posted by Katari Well, I don't have any idea why glontz put power attack on that build... Because Exec costs 7 AD. Spamming Rush and WY seriously alter your AD gain. Power attack does +27 damage (thanks to your high strenght) every 4 seconds.
Because of the "AD sucking" by rush and watch yourself, you will spam Exec a lot less often.
Try both, you'll see.
Evisc is too powerful to get rid of it.

However, by looking your build, I must say that 13 Strenght is a prerequisite to wear the sentinel armor - with a helmet +1 strenght and not +1 Weapon (so you have to build a gimmick build around that value). You have only 7. Hmm, maybe you missed the point of this thread?
Whatever.

Quote: Originally Posted by Ruhern I must say though, that glountz's build does NOT do more damage than my build. Power Attack, Eviscerate, and Frenzy do not meet the damage output of 4 or 5 attack skills with Battle Rage. If you don't believe me, try it out for yourself. I must admit I agree completely with you. Your build has more DPS, no matter what I can say.
But it is completely unflexible. You have nothing to get rid of all those nasty conds you'll get in RA/TA. You have no efficient self healing, no monk mean your death. You have no Deep wound plus IAS to spike, so your sipke capabilities a pretty much limited even if your overall DPS are greater.
I you wanted to focus on damage, my point is: don't use sentinel armor! The only reason to use it is for the defense it provides (so I build a rather defensive build who still could kill effectively).
Boost your weapon mastery to 16 (14 is too low), wear Dragons and Battle Rage if you want.
But Battle rage stuck you with attack skills, meaning no flexibility.

Quote: Originally Posted by Ruhern

Good points. I guess this is more of a gimmick build for RA. It works pretty well there for the most part. It's difficult to balance warrior defenses (removal of hexes/conditions) while still maintaining good offense. Bring too many defenses and you are near worthless in the offense. Bring only a little defense and it's never enough. Maybe I'll just have to start bringing Purge Signet along with me.

Though Contemplation of Purity won't work very well as a heal, since it's a Divine Favor skill (Monk Primary attribute).

Quote: Originally Posted by glountz Use this build with the following equipment to have fun in RA with sentinel armor.
Warrior/Necro

Equipment
Sentinel Armor except for boots: Use Knight boots.
Zealous axe of defense (+1 energy on hit/-1 energy regen, +5 armor, +15% damage when in stance)
Shield (AL 16, +45Hp, -2 Damage reduction when in stance)
Sup absorption rune.
Sup vigor rune.

Attributes
12+3 Axe
9+1+3 Strenght
9+1 Tactics

Skills
Rez signet
Plague touch
Healing signet
Frenzy
Rush
"Watch Yourself"
Power Attack
Eviscerate [E] Imo, the extra point of Tactics really isn't worth it. I would go:
12+1+3 Axe
10+3 Strength
8+1 Tactics

Healing Signet still heals for 110, I think, "WY!" still lasts plenty long enough when you need it, and the extra point of Axe will do some good

Otherwise I would change nothing

Heh, I really need to pick up a 15k set of this stuff for my W/Mo