You can buy 15% -5 weapons now too.
Manic Smile
In Vasburg Armory...I'm liking how A.net is finally making *almost* eveyr possible weapon combination crafable.
cherikku
yay for even more screwed up economy and lesser goals in the game
Gli
Really, explain to me how supply meeting demand makes for a screwed up economy? A screwed up economy is one where demand far exceeds supply and prices skyrocket.
lauriepriest
Gli has the right idea, the economy was screwed before, not its reasonable and things are becoming affordable. allready found 20 20 sundering golds.
cherikku
I liked it how everything was expensive. There were items that u can keep knowing its high valued. Now, since everything is so cheap, there is not one "uber" item you can keep and feel proud.
mrbb
lol.. glad i sold mine for 100k+ before Factions.
With no rare items it will sure change the gameplay for lots of people. No more farm to get money to get good items. But I guess GW was also more geared towards PvP anyway, so it makes sense to make items at least more acessible to everyone. Now, if only I could craft a mini-pet...
With no rare items it will sure change the gameplay for lots of people. No more farm to get money to get good items. But I guess GW was also more geared towards PvP anyway, so it makes sense to make items at least more acessible to everyone. Now, if only I could craft a mini-pet...
NinjaKai
Personally I think the people who are upset are:
-People who can't squeeze every bit of gold out of people as they want. AKA Greedy *******
-People who's pride in GW revolves around having the best items.
-People who think the game is all about farming.
-People who think that not everyone deserves an equal chance at getting perfect items.
-People who can't squeeze every bit of gold out of people as they want. AKA Greedy *******
-People who's pride in GW revolves around having the best items.
-People who think the game is all about farming.
-People who think that not everyone deserves an equal chance at getting perfect items.
cherikku
No worthy rare items to keep, reintroduced nerfed items (i.e. HoD) .... what is gold for hmmmm.... A mini pet xD
Im upset about this system, but im not greedy bc i donate alot of gold out to friends and newbies.
Im upset about this system, but im not greedy bc i donate alot of gold out to friends and newbies.
myword
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Personally I think the people who are upset are:
-People who can't squeeze every bit of gold out of people as they want. AKA Greedy ******* -People who's pride in GW revolves around having the best items. -People who think the game is all about farming. -People who think that not everyone deserves an equal chance at getting perfect items. |
Eclair
Actually, it looks like the new Zodiac skins are going to be the very top end items this time around. Considering its only accessible by 1 alliance, the price is going to remain really high.
cherikku
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Actually, it looks like the new Zodiac skins are going to be the very top end items this time around. Considering its only accessible by 1 alliance, the price is going to remain really high.
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Wait one more week and you'll see WTS Zodiac xxxx cheap!!! =p
dansamy
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basically the people who have the Diablo2 mentality
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There was a sense of pride in acquiring the best items, especially if you did it bot-less. And no, everyone doesn't deserve to have "the best." However everyone has the same opportunities to acquire "the best". I can afford materials and gold to make 1.5k or I can save and buy 15k. It's a matter of personal choice. If I really need armor right now and can't afford it, I can make use of the collectors. It's the same with weaponry. I can buy it, craft it or utilize a collector.
twicky_kid
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-People who think that not everyone deserves an equal chance at getting perfect items.
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Demand exceding supply is what keeps the econemy going. If the supply excedes the demand you end up with a surplus of stock and lose money. If everything is worth the same then what is the point of trading and selling. If you think that it takes hours to sell 1 weapon now just wait until thousands of others are selling the exact same thing.
myword
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I resent that.
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and err the 'best' in question here is the +15% -5 energy weapon... there was a collector/crafter for this previously?
CKaz
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Originally Posted by Manic Smile
In Vasburg Armory...I'm liking how A.net is finally making *almost* eveyr possible weapon combination crafable.
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Karmaniac
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basically the people who have the Diablo2 mentality
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On the topic: Adding more collectors is nice. Only ones complaining are the people who exploited the extraordinary prices (maybe we are going to see some interesting threads on that matter). Pretty please Anet give us dye collectors!
Diablo???
already crafted my katana there. Its sweetalicious!
Mournblade
To me the HOD sword is a separate issue from the economy discussion. The HOD sword was available, but then removed from the game - leaving existing items in the game. That created an unfair disadvantage for those who came later in the game. Now the +5 energy mods are available to all and thats a fair and good thing.
As far as the economy - give it time. It's typical behavior to increase the 'goodies' for customers during new product introduction. Watch for things to settle back to normal in a few weeks. Eventually we'll see new trends and be able to tell which new weapons (and old weapons) remain common and which have become suddenly rare.
As far as the economy - give it time. It's typical behavior to increase the 'goodies' for customers during new product introduction. Watch for things to settle back to normal in a few weeks. Eventually we'll see new trends and be able to tell which new weapons (and old weapons) remain common and which have become suddenly rare.
dansamy
I like the fact that now many of these items are craftable/collectable whereas previoulsy some of them (15% -5e or -10al) were hard to find drops.
And while previously there was no crafter/collector for 15% always items, they were still available. The only one that was truly and totally out of balance was the +5e HoD sword. That one item made some millions and others paupers. I'm quite pleased that the market speculators in an attempt to keep the HoD sword prices up were busily squashing news/rumors of +5e drops in Factions. It was amusing to see those sitting on mules full of HoD swords scrambling to sell them off while the price was high all the while reassuring their buyers that "no there aren't any +5e swords in Factions, it's a runor".
And while previously there was no crafter/collector for 15% always items, they were still available. The only one that was truly and totally out of balance was the +5e HoD sword. That one item made some millions and others paupers. I'm quite pleased that the market speculators in an attempt to keep the HoD sword prices up were busily squashing news/rumors of +5e drops in Factions. It was amusing to see those sitting on mules full of HoD swords scrambling to sell them off while the price was high all the while reassuring their buyers that "no there aren't any +5e swords in Factions, it's a runor".
Spiteful Nerd
I've seen alot of weapons you can get now in Cantha.
I've also seen the new skin elm staffs. That are 20/20
I've also seen the new skin elm staffs. That are 20/20
Count to Potato
this is a suggestion, Anet should put mods on weapon crafters
Cottage Pie
For the 'poor people'.
Really, try getting rich. You'll find all you want is more gold, even when you have millions...you'll just want more millions - that's the nature of wealth. Even when I had 445mil pure cash (besides items) in runescape (equiv. to about 107mil GWs plat i suppose, based on RL prices of currency)...all i wanted was to make more money...continue accumulating... i had to quit that game because, i admit, i was addicted. It makes me feel odd to even think about those days :/ I came to GWs as here such a compulsion is heavily damped and thankfuly the gamers are loads more mature...
Unless you seriously enjoy being wealthy, don't even bother getting into it, it won't make you happy and it will damage you in the time you spend doing so
for the 'richer people' concerned with the market.
Also, don't forget relativity, you never loose money in this game unless you you have it in items that are worth less relative to the currency, ectos simply dropping in value doesn't loose you money if you've thousands of them, everyone elses ectos are worth less too. Purchasing power remains relatively equal, so the prices of weapons/etc remains the same. in theory at least ^_^.
So the market generally is not destroyed by the introduction of new canthan weapons, there was a 15^50 gladius for 5k from the droks crafter, did that ever stop certain swords from reaching 25million in value? no.
Really, try getting rich. You'll find all you want is more gold, even when you have millions...you'll just want more millions - that's the nature of wealth. Even when I had 445mil pure cash (besides items) in runescape (equiv. to about 107mil GWs plat i suppose, based on RL prices of currency)...all i wanted was to make more money...continue accumulating... i had to quit that game because, i admit, i was addicted. It makes me feel odd to even think about those days :/ I came to GWs as here such a compulsion is heavily damped and thankfuly the gamers are loads more mature...
Unless you seriously enjoy being wealthy, don't even bother getting into it, it won't make you happy and it will damage you in the time you spend doing so
for the 'richer people' concerned with the market.
Also, don't forget relativity, you never loose money in this game unless you you have it in items that are worth less relative to the currency, ectos simply dropping in value doesn't loose you money if you've thousands of them, everyone elses ectos are worth less too. Purchasing power remains relatively equal, so the prices of weapons/etc remains the same. in theory at least ^_^.
So the market generally is not destroyed by the introduction of new canthan weapons, there was a 15^50 gladius for 5k from the droks crafter, did that ever stop certain swords from reaching 25million in value? no.
Str0b0
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Iskrah
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In Vasburg Armory...I'm liking how A.net is finally making *almost* eveyr possible weapon combination crafable.
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cherikku
Cottage Pie: Yep i was getting addicted to make more gold by farming... that had to go away.. How? spent all my gold.
SnyperP
Here is my take on the system. When GW was first made, it's concept basically revolved around everyone being equal and your skill that seperated the top from the bottom. This is what they're trying to do. Before -5e weapons were expensive to attain for some individuals. The same with the HoD. They want make the game as fair as possible when it comes to gear.
What they're trying to do is to stick with the original concept. Many may ask, then why don't they just GIVE everyone everything for free instead of paying for it. That would accomplish their goals, but who in the world would want to play a game where everything was handed to you on a silver platter (rhetorical question- do not reply with "ebayers"). So it requires a delicate balance between cost (time spend in acquiring) vs reward (item). Of course, people always want a prestige item or title. That's why so many people are spending hours and hours getting grandmaster cartegrapher and drunkard titles or why people are buying selling mini-pets for 100k+80 ectos.
What will sell next? Of course, as always rare skins. Even though there are suitable items (collector items) people always buy rare skins. This links back to a prestige item. Most 15^50 swords rarely sold for more than a few k unless it was a rare skin. These items are what drive the economy. It's simple as that.
What they're trying to do is to stick with the original concept. Many may ask, then why don't they just GIVE everyone everything for free instead of paying for it. That would accomplish their goals, but who in the world would want to play a game where everything was handed to you on a silver platter (rhetorical question- do not reply with "ebayers"). So it requires a delicate balance between cost (time spend in acquiring) vs reward (item). Of course, people always want a prestige item or title. That's why so many people are spending hours and hours getting grandmaster cartegrapher and drunkard titles or why people are buying selling mini-pets for 100k+80 ectos.
What will sell next? Of course, as always rare skins. Even though there are suitable items (collector items) people always buy rare skins. This links back to a prestige item. Most 15^50 swords rarely sold for more than a few k unless it was a rare skin. These items are what drive the economy. It's simple as that.
Solberg the Exiled
Uber items comes and goes and as far they go, there are still a few left in the game. Some examples are
1) 15% Fiery flame spitter
2) Weapons with unconditional dmg mod
We'll see how anet deals with those. Right now, it would seem that anet loves to just make the uber items common. As far as the economy goes though, it's all about prestige items. Why do crystalline sword go for that much? it's because that they are uber rare, not because that they are uber good. It's the same thing with minipet, which I think are just plain cool looking.
Am I unhappy with the economy? not really. Do I now regeret spending 250k for that HoD sword? not really since it has served me well enough and will continue to serve me. All it takes is some time and then we'll see what's going for the uber amount of cash again.
1) 15% Fiery flame spitter
2) Weapons with unconditional dmg mod
We'll see how anet deals with those. Right now, it would seem that anet loves to just make the uber items common. As far as the economy goes though, it's all about prestige items. Why do crystalline sword go for that much? it's because that they are uber rare, not because that they are uber good. It's the same thing with minipet, which I think are just plain cool looking.
Am I unhappy with the economy? not really. Do I now regeret spending 250k for that HoD sword? not really since it has served me well enough and will continue to serve me. All it takes is some time and then we'll see what's going for the uber amount of cash again.
NoChance
to the farmers... don't worry... there will always be rare skinned items that people want and are willing to pay tons of gold for.
Maxiemonster
Oh well, if you want to grind to get impressive stuff.. The 15>50 Crystallines still aren't easy to find, and are still expensive, it's not that you're forced to buy these..
I'm glad with this myself actually. If I don't care about skins, I just get the cheap version, if I do, I get something else, you still have the possibility to chose, and that's what counts.
I'm glad with this myself actually. If I don't care about skins, I just get the cheap version, if I do, I get something else, you still have the possibility to chose, and that's what counts.
Valerria
There's little point in being rich if everyone can be rich as you. I don't think Bill Gates would bother to get up in the morning if the world was like GW.
But he can go to hell.
But he can go to hell.
Manic Smile
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Oh well, if you want to grind to get impressive stuff.. The 15>50 Crystallines still aren't easy to find, and are still expensive, it's not that you're forced to buy these..
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anyone upset by this, I really have not pitty for them
you still have a market for your rares just not at such stupid prices
myword
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And as per usual the people who jump on this tired old bandwagon of, that's not the point of the game, are usually poor. You argue about subjective things as if they were concrete. A Game by definition is nothing more than a diversion and is therefore a pointless activity. Therefore the point of the game is whatever the player wants to make it. Don't lord your poverty over everyone like Christ on his cross and think that it makes you the only enlightened person or the only one that gets the game. If there is any point to this game or any mentality that people should have it's to have fun. Fun is also subjective. Some people like to make loot others like to play for the storyline. Some people like to PvP. All subjective. If it makes you feel better to believe that you have dicovered the one true point of the game and are therefore in some snarky way superior then go for it but don't fob your delusion off on other people as if it were cold hard fact.
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and sorry i'm not really poor, after all i bought a stack of ecto for 300g each last year during the reset, but i guess with the decrease of ecto prices i am getting poor
EternalTempest
I think part of it is Anet trying to mend the PvE vs PvP rift and allowing easier access to perfect mods in PvE make sense, easier to get perfect weapons to be put on equal footing vs a pre-made pvp (in terms of equipment).
Now rich people will have the really cool looking stuff but at least we get same stat item equipment in battle.
Now rich people will have the really cool looking stuff but at least we get same stat item equipment in battle.
Dove_Song
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If you think that it takes hours to sell 1 weapon now just wait until thousands of others are selling the exact same thing.
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Find merchant....click sell tab...highlight item to be sold...click sell...