Wats The Difference!!!

Uther Charrsbane

Uther Charrsbane

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2006

KoRn

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Now i realy am confused now.

14^50 req 8 fellblade is worth like 100k+10ektos.

BUT a 15^50 fellblade req 8 too same mods lets say is worth like 100k+50ektos.

WTFWTFWTFTWTFWTF

y the hell do pple pay so much more for 1%??!!!(even in sunderng and furious)

help meeeeeeeee.

Kamatsu

Kamatsu

Moderator

Join Date: May 2005

Australia

Basically people pay the extra for that 1% because its "perfect" and they have enough money to afford it.

the extra 1% does provide a small, small damage boost - but so little not to be really noticable much of the time. However, it's the fact it's "perfect".. that's it really. People pay extra for perfect weapons/mods..

Uther Charrsbane

Uther Charrsbane

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2006

KoRn

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LOL ok im gna buy a 14^50 10/9 +29hp fellblade then

and btw does req affect dmg even if u have the right amount??
and ty

Ashleigh McMahon

Ashleigh McMahon

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Join Date: Apr 2005

North East England

WoTU[Warlords of the Underworld]

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I think it's just a way of people saying " Hey, i'm richer than you".

But really, I don't think nobody cares. I've never had a perfect weapon in my guildwars lifetime- close, but not perfect.

Ashleigh

JR

JR

Re:tired

Join Date: Nov 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by kamatsu
the extra 1% does provide a small, small damage boost - but so little not to be really noticable much of the time.
I believe testing has proved that there is no actual difference in damage between 15^50 and 14^50, due to how the damage numbers are rounded. As such, a 14^50 weapon will do exactly the same damage as a 15^50.

HOXMAN

HOXMAN

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

TN, USA

Amber Order [AMBR]

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this might be off topic but i think it might still apply.. quick question...

What is a "skin"? I'm not hip to the new lingo yet. indulge me

Draxx

Draxx

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

England Baby!

Yeah Exactly, Its the same when buying the upgrades, the perfect upgrades are rediculous prices. if your sensible and not a crazy fellow get the 14>50 and the REQ basically effects how good ul be with that weapon

for example if it is REQ13 and you have 13 swordsmanship you will be hitting close to the minimum damage with a REQ 8 you will be hitting for far more when you have 13 Swordsmanship. it helps if you have a LOW REQ but is not essential, personally i dont buy anything over REQ 9 or maybe if im feeling crazy 10 because its just not worth it for the high req.



-NOT the best explination by any means but i am currently at work -

Draxx

Draxx

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

England Baby!

a skin is what the weapon or armour looks like basically, like a fellblade and a longsword, people pay silly money for fellblades when you can get say a gladius of the same stats... same with armour... the 15k sets are the same as the 1.5k but people buy the 15k just to show that they are elite players and can get this 'rare' skin. simple as.

Chilly Ress

Chilly Ress

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2005

Kinetic Fusion [kF]

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Just because it is perfect. Rich people are their 10 stacks of ecto want everything they have to be perfect, that's why req 11+ weps are worth nothing most of the time, no matter what mods.

Mournblade

Mournblade

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2005

Houston, Texas

Dawn Treaders [DAWN]

W/Mo

Umm... it's not always about 'showing off'... I happen to like my characters to look a certain way, and save up money until I can buy the equipment for that look. I don't prance around and go "look at me, I have 15k armor!"

Don't hate the rich *because* they're rich. There are much better reasons to hate people.

fiery

fiery

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maryland

InYurFace Gaming [IYF]

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Say to feed your family, one apple is great and alll but TWO apples is way better x1000.

I don't buy perfect weapons I stick to greens, cheap-perfect.

Yanman.be

Yanman.be

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Join Date: Dec 2005

Belgium

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reqs do not matter if you meet the requirement. (easiest way to say )

baz777

baz777

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

South East England

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I now tend to use greens or spec up a crafter item to perfect mods.

Besides I mainly play caster characters and most of their staffs just look like sticks anyway so I’m not going to pay a fortune for them.

My motto is ‘it’s not the size of your rod that count’s, it’s what you do with it’, (comforted me all these years).

DoctorEvil

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashleigh McMahon
But really, I don't think nobody cares. I've never had a perfect weapon in my guildwars lifetime- close, but not perfect.

Ashleigh
LOL.....I use to have a perfect Sundering Summit Axe of Defense.....then they went and changed sundering to +20%/20%, so not it sucks

Draxx

Draxx

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

England Baby!

yeah good point about the rich i do agree, i mean i have alot of money but i run around with malinons and a razorstone or a custom made longsword, cuz i LIKE the way that looks... which at the end of the day what your playing the game for, efficientcy and fun... to be the best damn character you cand be lol

people are far to critical and insulting of certain armours and weapons... its a fact...

mrbb

mrbb

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

Mo/

People pay lots of perfect weapons because there is nothing else to do with the money they have. They don't have to feed families with GW gold, or their pet. It also gives some end game purpose other than PvP. Farm = money = perfect items. Is this stupid? No, everyone plays the game the way they enjoy.

Haggard

Haggard

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Join Date: Dec 2005

Urmston, Manchester, UK

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Uther Charrsbane
14^50 req 8 fellblade is worth like 100k+10ektos.
Oh deary me.. Curse my second warrior, and my stupid customisation of one .

Draxx

Draxx

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

England Baby!

yeah ok mrbb i get that calm down... lol i agree got nothing else to do with the money DOOO IT! lol the point is to enjoy yourself, which is the point im trying to get across about factions in the post below.

Factions: Skills from quests anymore?

which upsettingly theyv taken away from me in factions a bit... i agree... play enjoy be elite... dont ruin what the games is about i will be returning to tyria after my brief fling in cantha for the farming alone :P *crosses fingers for factions to become better for farming and everything that made tyria playable to the end*

Burakus Lightwing

Burakus Lightwing

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Join Date: Oct 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Draxx
for example if it is REQ13 and you have 13 swordsmanship you will be hitting close to the minimum damage with a REQ 8 you will be hitting for far more when you have 13 Swordsmanship. it helps if you have a LOW REQ but is not essential, personally i dont buy anything over REQ 9 or maybe if im feeling crazy 10 because its just not worth it for the high req.



-NOT the best explination by any means but i am currently at work -
Actually you are wrong.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/content...nics-id674.php

It is the amount of points you have in your attribute that effects the weapons damage output. As long as you have 13 in sword, the Req. 13 will do the exact same damage as the Req. 8.

Draxx

Draxx

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

England Baby!

ah cool

thanx for the link.

makes things a little simpler. well then my question to you is why are high req weapons worth that much less... doesnt make as much sense as it would if my statment you quoted would of been correct... i can see why they would be less... but not as much less as they actually arre

Reydien

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

higher requirement weapons are less favored simply because it requires more invested attribute points (and runes) to reach the required level. Admittedly, you rarely see a build using less than 11 or 12 in a weapon skill, but the point is still valid.

Alternatively, you could look at it as another form of perfection: a max dmg req 9 sword isn't as "perfect" as a max dm req 8. They're paying so much for mechanically meaningless numbers already, what's one more?

Mournblade

Mournblade

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2005

Houston, Texas

Dawn Treaders [DAWN]

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Low reqs give you more flexibility to your build. Imagine all the skill points you save if you only need 7 points in swordsmanship instead of 13 to do max damage with your weapon?

Orange Milk

Orange Milk

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Join Date: Mar 2006

Ganking, USA

Retired

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Simplicity.

I have 4 weapons sets, each spot has a req 9 bow in it. I know that no matter what bow I use or where I go my Marksman attributes never need be higher than 9 allowing me to switch bows on the fly or skill and attribute. layouts with out having to worry about the one req 12 bow im carrying. I can be much more versitle with my other attributes.

PS What you set your attributes to DOES effect the skills damage, so I do run around with a 13 or 14 marks often just to increase damage out put from from skill enhanced arrows (i.e. Barrage is +14 dmg at 14 marks and +12 damage at 12 marks)

Oh and that 1% from a 14^50 to a 15^50 adds up over time vs a foe, a little bit more damage (1 or 2 HP per hit) each time, just like all those inches add up to yards on the football field

Elecro

Elecro

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2006

Croatian Dark Masters

W/Mo

One quick question: So my Victo's Blade has 9 reqs, and if i increase it more then 9, will it affect damage?

Burakus Lightwing

Burakus Lightwing

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Join Date: Oct 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Elecro
One quick question: So my Victo's Blade has 9 reqs, and if i increase it more then 9, will it affect damage?
If you only put 9 in swordsmanship then yes. You need 12 attribute points to do the full 100% damage of the weapon. per the link i had in the previuos post. At 9 attribute points you are only doing roughly 75% of max damage of the weapon.

Orange Milk pointed out that even though he uses req 9 bows he still has marks up to 12-14 to get the max damage out of the bows and then some.

Swinging Fists

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mournblade
Low reqs give you more flexibility to your build. Imagine all the skill points you save if you only need 7 points in swordsmanship instead of 13 to do max damage with your weapon?
And yet, you will still need 12 points in swordsmanship to actually hit the 15-22 max damage, as anything lower results in a reduction of damage according to the damage formulas. Oh, the complications...

Uther Charrsbane

Uther Charrsbane

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Join Date: Jan 2006

KoRn

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Ok so u say perfect wepons is wat people spend their cash on? y dont they just try achieving a better goal like getting all skills possible. personally im gna go get the weponsmiths sword and shove a few 10/9s and +29s on it and im off i can say its perfect nobody will ever know.
BTW ty all for your posts very intresting stuff. i never thought it would be this complicated LOL.

Don Zardeone

Don Zardeone

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Where are those tests for the 14%-15% difference?


I'm interested in this kind of stuff.

If you pump up your damageoutput, 16 in your attribute, maybe even up to 18 through items. Elemental damage on elemental weakness. The right skills etc... The 14% should make a difference at some point. Even if it's only 1 extra damage.

It's 1 entire extra damage ffs!!!

I think of it this way:
You have 14 cents, or you have 15 cents. No real difference, you still can't buy a newspaper with that.

15 million dollars vs 14 million dollars.
Wah that's a 1 million dollar difference!

Where are those testresults? O.o

Draxx

Draxx

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

England Baby!

haha a million dollars is a millions dollars mate, regardless... bt yeah personally give me 14% any day its not different ENOUGH by ANY means to justify the amount of money more that it is and if i got 1 from a drop... id sell it and buy a 14% and sit there counting my money lol

Dove_Song

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by HOXMAN
this might be off topic but i think it might still apply.. quick question...

What is a "skin"? I'm not hip to the new lingo yet. indulge me
the SKIN is the LOOK of the weapon....

like many bows are LONGBOWS (in terms of bow type) but you can have several different longbow SKINS (LOOKS).

Dahl

Dahl

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Ontario, Canada

Exalted Legionnaires [ExL]

1) I saw someone mention sundering up there. Sundering is completely useless, even 20/20. It adds roughly 0.90 damage per second. Vamp is still better by a landslide, anyone who thinks otherwise are deluding themselves. This is FACT, not opinion.

2) The 15% is a status symbol, it's all about showmanship, plus it rounds better so you have a noticably higher attack. 14-15 is a bigger jump than 13-14 because of the roundability. That also means that 19-20 is a lot better than 14-15 because 20 is even better for rounding.

3)Fellblades aren't worth NEARLY that anymore... I wouldn't pay any more than 50k for a max gold 15^50 fellblade. They're common, just like everything else in prophecies besides the Crystallline. And for the record, serpent axes are no longer rare, they're quite common in factions. I had 4 drop for me in 1 mission.

Once again though - DO NOT BUY SUNDERING, not now, not ever. Don't buy furious either. The damage you get from the slightly faster adrenaline buildup can be MORE than made up for with vampiric. Don't waste your money on nothing. The new victo's axe is as useless as the last one. If you want the godly green axe, get DragonCrest. It's 15^50 3/-1 vamp health +30 (I happen to be selling one so PM me if you wanna negotiate)

Uther Charrsbane

Uther Charrsbane

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KoRn

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btw wats the max vamprik on sword??

unda dawg

unda dawg

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Narnia

Twilight Saraphim [TS]

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ive noticed that with the vigor runes its like 37k more for 9 more health!

BrotherGilburt

BrotherGilburt

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Join Date: Feb 2006

USA

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Uther Charrsbane
Now i realy am confused now.

14^50 req 8 fellblade is worth like 100k+10ektos.

BUT a 15^50 fellblade req 8 too same mods lets say is worth like 100k+50ektos.

WTFWTFWTFTWTFWTF

y the hell do pple pay so much more for 1%??!!!(even in sunderng and furious)

help meeeeeeeee.
the 1% can make a differance. You have realize people always want max mods. And becuz max mods drop so much less than non max mods they are worth alot more. Also if you have a max mod you have better bragging rights.

Brother Gilburt

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