Please make Frenzy stack with Infuse

Mithie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Rest En Pieces [RIP]

Me/W

I was very disappointed when I found out I don't immediately kill myself when I do infuse health with frenzy. In fact, frenzy seems to have no effect on infuse health at all.

This must change.

I think making frenzy stack with infuse will open up a few powerplay combos and extend the variety we see in PvP, at make things more interesting on the whole.

Thoughts?

Miss Innocent

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

I wander.

Mo/R

I don't like that. I DON'T want to kill myself instantly when I pay 50% life... and it gets doubled.

It's a cute idea, but I think it's too narrow.

striderkaaru

striderkaaru

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Retired Officer

W/

dear mithie,

i know that things might be really difficult for you right now, but suicide is not the answer. you have a lot to look forward to, and you should try to experience the game to the fullest.

have you considered seeking counseling? it might help you be able to tackle your problems better. even if you don't do it for yourself, please, do it for us. we care.

Savio

Savio

Teenager with attitude

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

Infuse Health
Lose half your current health. Target other ally is healed for 100-129% of the amount you lost.

Frenzy
For 8 seconds, you attack 33% faster, but take double damage.

Nowhere in Infuse Health's description does it say it does damage to yourself.

Lampshade

Lampshade

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

USA

Xen of Onslaught

Damnit Savio you beat me to it.

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

Life sacrifice (like with infuse health and certain blood spells) are not considered damage.
If you want Frenzy to cause infuse to kill yourself, then you might as well have double degen from vampiric weapons while Frenzying as well

Evilsod

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

The definition of Infuse is quite clear there as Savio said.

But what about Illusion of Weakness + Frenzy?

Elena

Elena

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Belgium

same illusion = health loss not damage

Undivine

Undivine

of Brackenwood

Join Date: Oct 2005

Ontario, Canada

These are just technicalities with words. The bottom line is it would simply be insane to make frenzy double all forms of health loss, especially health loss that you inflict on yourself. I'm not quite sure why you are requesting such a thing in fact.

jummeth

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

London

Diary of a Madman [SiKK]

There are better ways of killing self for minion factories... which are pretty pointless now, since you can only have 10 minons anyway.

If you are to kill yourself, you might as well give your allies some energy

Loralai

Loralai

Purveyor of Useless Info

Join Date: Oct 2005

Perpetual Motion Squad [PMS]

Mo/

What an odd request. O_o

lishi

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

endure pain + defly pain + infuse , wait some time (with a vampiric)
GG

JR

JR

Re:tired

Join Date: Nov 2005

W/

This thread is so ridiculous.

art_

art_

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

^ What are you talking about???/////

I feel this change is crucial and should be implemented asap.

/signed, /doublesigned, and sealed with a big carebear hug.



PS: Frenzy on a monk is elite.

shardfenix

shardfenix

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

Il Power Overwhelming Il [HaX]

Infuse health is not damage. Nor is it sacrificing. If you want to kill yourself quickly, use awaken + bip
Or if you're really leet, use illusion of weakness.

TheLordOfBlah

TheLordOfBlah

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

California

None

Mo/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by art_
^ What are you talking about???/////

I feel this change is crucial and should be implemented asap.

/signed, /doublesigned, and sealed with a big carebear hug.



PS: Frenzy on a monk is elite.
If you bothered to read the post 10 above you... you would see why this WOULDNT make sense at all. You dont take damage, you lose half health.

bilateralrope

bilateralrope

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

New Zealand

Xen Of Onslaught (Xen of the Pacific division)

Quote:
Originally Posted by shardfenix
Infuse health is not damage. Nor is it sacrificing. If you want to kill yourself quickly, use awaken + bip
Or if you're really leet, use illusion of weakness.
Actually, I find that just spamming BiP is a faster way to die.

Awaken the blood - 1 second cast. BiP = 1/4 second cast, no cooldown

Awaken then 2 BiPs - 1.5 seconds
3 BiPs - 0.75 seconds

Assuming no aftercast on eaither (I've not seen one on BiP) you die in half the time if you don't use awaken first

Song Rui

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2005

We are all pretty [ugly]

W/

i wanna see wammos kill themselves /signed looooooooooolerx

]SK[

]SK[

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

Nottingham, UK

GV

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Song Rui
i wanna see wammos kill themselves /signed looooooooooolerx
I see this every time I play GW...

Terra Xin

Terra Xin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Mar 2006

New Zealand

Me/R

This thread is weird... well not the entire thread, just a couple of posts.... the signed ones... omg...

I better sign it before someone takes this thing seriously

/notsigned

Zhou Feng

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

CATS

Mo/Me

Hilarious thread I tell ya.

fiery

fiery

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2005

maryland

InYurFace Gaming [IYF]

R/

A warrior or part warrior doing infuse, what has the world come to.

shardfenix

shardfenix

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

Il Power Overwhelming Il [HaX]

Quote:
Originally Posted by bilateralrope
Actually, I find that just spamming BiP is a faster way to die.

Awaken the blood - 1 second cast. BiP = 1/4 second cast, no cooldown

Awaken then 2 BiPs - 1.5 seconds
3 BiPs - 0.75 seconds

Assuming no aftercast on eaither (I've not seen one on BiP) you die in half the time if you don't use awaken first
For one thing, all spells have a half-second cooldown, so 4 bips actually takes 3 seconds to do.
Second, illusion of weakness only requires 1 cast to kill yourself.

Murk

Murk

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

Just think of the idea..

Infuse + Frenzy = Offer 100%..
The one your healing will recieve.. like 260% that's 1000hp+
Would be.. awsome
OR, would it stay 130% and you just get double damage?

Example of a possible combo :
Then would Divine Intervention give you health and you won't die?

Response please

Sciros Darkblade

Sciros Darkblade

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Ohio

Archons Ascendant [Arch] - Leader

W/

There actually should probably be a more consistent ruling as far as "damage dealt" vs "loss of life" goes. It is a pretty important difference when you consider how certain skills would respond to that. Direct "life loss" should not be mitigated by armor, but nor should it be changed by effects that deal with damage.

There are definitely a few skills where the wording/implementation could be a bit clearer; I might make a separate thread about this later.