Players who charge to go to Forge

You know, OddSock? You're categorically the most negative person on these forums. That you consider yourself the "end all be all" of GW players is a testament to your self-centeredness. Just exactly how much time do you spend with the cut and paste part of Word? LOL!

As for the censor thing? *shrugs* My caremeter on anything you say is in negative numbers.

You did miss my point, OS, that a specified area for runners and their "customers" would reduce the need for endless spamming on ANY channel...trade or otherwise. Runners and the people who want to purchase their services would find one another much easier and with much less spamming.

That makes me feel all fuzzy and warm on the inside

Every time I see a dumb post I have to respond to it. I'm sorry but that's the way it is. As for how much time it takes me to fragment all the posts, maybe a whole whopping 3 seconds per post.

and read what I posted (can't believe I have to quote myself to make him understand)

So did you understand what I posted ? I mean either spend time programming useful things or waste time on creating content for people who can't turn off the local chat.

I did not come up with the plan so i dont exactly understand its orgin, but it had somethign to do with a distraction or something

Third try? heh, sorry but your talking to someone who played Diablo 2 every day for over 3 years... i dont get bored that easly

One of the saving graces of the game is you can go through the game with henchmen and the chat turned off. Unfortunately as long as Anet doesn't care people will do it.... and spend endless posts justifying it. The end justifies the means.

The fact that many high level runners just port the low level people through the zones, there's no real challenge... except for maybe the high level runner.

The forge run is currently designed to be made from south to north, there are even convinient placed altars to lower DP (if you dont get bored to death with Snake Dance)

From what I read it was used as a shortcut for testing of South Shiverpeaks areas and then populated with mobs just before release.

Making a run from north to south is possible but "runners" is something ArenaNet simply cannot support, they did added a runner to Piken Square because some people might have a problem with finding it (god knows why, still its not as anoying as it was before) but going to Piken Square is something ArenaNet expect people to do, there are class quests there.

After beating the game a few times people make fun characters, they are a change of pace from pvp, a change of pace from UW and fissure, they are just fun to play.

If your a seasoned player and know the skills playing a low lvl character is just a total pain because you don't have the skills you want yet for the build to have fun.

For example, I made a minon master necro for the sake of having an army, everyone knows thats fun. But this entire build sucks unless you have veratas sacrifice to heal your minions (blood of the master is pretty worthless when you prefer bone horrors over fiends). So why go through the entire game not enjoying your build versus just skipping half of it and coming back doing it the fun way? Veratas sacrifice can't be found until copperhammer mines, and frankly I don't wanna go through the whole game not having fun and then when I am ready to have fun, have nothing to do besides the same old UW and fissure.

I did not made the game ... its a valid complain that people bring up with many classes, many people say they have to play a fire elemtarist at start because there is simply no other options, its not possible to start as a hydromancer.

As the early stages of game is its very hard to start a unique character, most people are simply forced into the same build because there are no options.

Unfortunatly the game is set in that way for the start, it not possible to "fix" it unless they made all Skill traders have access to all skills but then who would go to Ice Cave?

I dislike charging for running, but it happens. Its really one of the only ways to get stuff like fissure armor though. I usually just run for donations whenever anybody is charging some stupidly insane number to run anywhere and actually has people in their party.

I did the south to north run last night. Max T was the other warm body and we had 6 henchies. We actually cleared all the zones, except Dreadnought's, lol. We even killed all the wurms. I hate wurms.

It took us about 3-4 hours and gave me another 50 or so deaths, lol.

Perhaps not everyone plays to just unlock skills and runes? I know it's fun to help people out. You wouldn't like it if someone or a group of people gave you a sack of Gold Ettin's Pualdron's or ran you to Drokanr's Forge for free, then helped you skill cap, you wouldn't like that?

Obviously you A. Don't know what masochistic means or B. you meant "Narcissistic". In both cases; WHAT? You have to either derive sexual pleasure from pain or be in love with yourself to HELP PEOPLE? I think that all this post proves is that you know nothing about the human pyschy and you yourself are a narcissist show off.

Why don't you go back and "Grind" points on BF2, go blow someone's virtual brains out if that's all you know about people? That's as far as you'll get with that attitude; stone age thinking.

Sagius, well stated. That's why I put OddSock on my ignore list. I don't understand people with absolutely no compassion or interest in their fellow players at all. Yes, it's a game. But there are people on the other end that derive "warm fuzzies" when someone helps them ... well, just because.

The term masochist can be used to mean someone who subconsciously likes to suffer. Genuine altruism can be masochistic in that sense.

Yes I would but unfortunately the world isn't like that. If it were then alot of things would be different.

Masochism: derivation of pleasure from being mistreated
Narcissism: excessive admiration or self-love

It's called an english dictionary. How is doing the Droknar run fun ? You run for 30 minutes and hope everything goes right and don't die. I've paid to get it done and let me tell I wouldn't want to do that painful task for free. And all this for what ? 30 minutes lost to get a thank you ? If you really want to help someone go to the local food bank, it'll be much more appreciated and will serve a greater purpose than running a gamer around in a virtual world. Anyhow you can't reasonably say that you find pleasure in doing that run and if you dislike it then read the definition of masochism again, you're finding pleasure in mistreating yourself. Do yourself a favor and open the Webster, it's not because you heard masochism on Howard Stern that it only has a sexual meaning.

This has nothing to do with sexual pleasure lol. And I never even mentioned anything about self-adoration. You have quite the imagination. btw it doesn't show that I know nothing about human behavior, it shows that you don't own a dictionary.

Ah yes the flame to end the post. GG. First off BF2 is Battlefield 2 right ? And what are grind points ? All I know from that game is that it's an FPS

Stone Age thinking my ass. Not because I go against the general train of thought and can actually defend my points that I'm an idiot or that I'm ignorant. I had absolutely nothing offensive in any of my posts except maybe the caremeter gig and you had to start insulting me. So who's the biggest idiot ? the one who defends points that go against the general school of thought or the one that flames cause he feels threatened ?

As I said to Sagius, go do community volunteering if you want to help people. I also like how you put me on an ignore list just because you don't like my ways of thinking. Isn't THAT ''Stone Age Thinking'' ?

The way I took your comment, anyone who helps other people -must- be a (sado)masochist (SOMEONE WHO DERIVES SEXUAL PLEASURE FROM ABUSE). Sure, Drokanr's Running isn't always fun but it certainly isn't painful, it can even be fun at times, esp if you do it right.

What the comment "Stone Age" thinking meant was that the attitude that helping other people is weakness stems from the same train of thought that war does. And do those schools of thought help the world in any way? Certainly not.

I never saw one defence that you aren't a narcissist show off. And I was also refering that it makes more sence to say that those runners would also be narcissist show offs, machoes. (Though perhaps doing that for other people may contradict narciccism, some get good rushes out of showing how tough they are to a group of people, do you understand what I mean?).

Or perhaps we are not seeing in a correct light from which dirrection the other is comming. You seem like the type to be an MTV/Family Guy watching, machoe Atheist; a show-off who thinks hes an elitist but is your average, classless trash. You seem to have around the same thoughts about me, considering your Howard Stern comments.

Well that's not what was written so don't go on inserting words to help your cause. Masochist and sadomasochist are not at all the same thing. I also like the use of Caps Lock, quite interesting.

Quick question, how many times do you do this per day, per week ? And after you answer that, what's your favorite thing you like doing in this game ? And how many times do you do that per day and per week ?

That's not where war stems. War is old men bickering and young men dying. I won't get into this debate, this it's not GW and totally off topic. But I haven't heard of wars started from other nations being too kind or too helpfull. If so please correct me concrete events (date, motives, locations etc...) Oh and by the way lots of the products you use in your daily life have a concept that was developped in a war context. So yea war does sometimes result in the world being a better place.

What the hell does that mean ? I'll try to clarify this cluster of non-sense. You see me writting in my posts that I am in self-adoration and admiration ? Where ? Quote the extracts on how I am a ''narcissist show-off''. Furthermore we're not debating whether I'm a jackass or not and I'm certainly not going to lower myself to your level anymore showing that I'm right and you're wrong in this whole ''Odd Sock is self-centered, your mom haha'' stupidity. You're obviously beating me with experience here. The rest of the post I just don't get it but I think where you're getting to is that runners are bad because they are show-offs ? I thought originally they were bad because some were scammers and they ruined the whole twist of the game ?

Anyhow can we please get back on topic ? Either that or close the thread

EDIT: in a last attempt to achieve whatever he was trying to come accross he posted this cute little nugget

This is a direct flame and was completely unprovoked. I watch Family guy yes. It's quite funny and I see in no way how it makes me a lesser peron. By watching MTV you are referring that my only culture is pop culture ? I'm sorry no, I'm educated and have read books outside academic puposes. Atheist ? Sure but you have no right to try and bring me down based on religious belief and practice. Yes I'm a middle-class person, is this so wrong ? And is being middle-classed a barrier to having class. Sorry again, I am not classless trash. Read the definition of elitist before using it btw.

"# adjective: deriving pleasure or sexual gratification from being abused or dominated" - OneLook Dictionary

"of or feeling masochism: relating to or experiencing the desire to be humiliated and abused by others in order to feel sexually fulfilled" - Encarta

"a sexual perversion characterized by pleasure in being subjected to pain or humiliation especially by a love object -- compare SADISM" - Merriam-Webster's Dictionary

"1 the obtaining of especially sexual pleasure from being hurt or controlled by another person
Compare sadism.

2 INFORMAL the enjoyment of an activity or situation that most people would find very unpleasant:
I reckon you need to be into masochism to run marathons. [<-- Your point?]
Compare sadism." - Cambridge Dictionary

You don't need to add the "Sado" for it to mean the same thing.

Obviously, I was taking your words out of context (those from your opening post).

Yes, you seem like a regular rude person. No I'm not "Flaming" you, I'm just stating an opinion of your personality that appears to be factual (Considering that you confiremd some points). By your watching MTV I did not in some random, incoherent pretext - that you seemed to have so described - labeled your life as being based around "Pop Culture" but that you are a college aged person who is into unitelligent entertainment.

Want to know something about me? I'm obnoxious and assuming. There you go; we're on even terms.

But you did prescribe the same notion to me when you said "Just becuase you heard that it meant something sexual on Howard Stern doesn't mean that it is". But then, I suppose Messers. Webster and Merriam do have such dirty minds.

Sagius please don't make this become like that pentagram thread.

I'm sorry but you're completely wrong about him being wrong about using the word masochism. For you to win the argument, the burden of proof is on YOU to prove that there are NO definitions of masochism which back up his statement. He did this earlier, and you still didn't get the point. He was using a definition of masochism that's widely accepted, and you did not realize that it was acceptable as a definition. The definition is:

Definition #2 fits EXACTLY what Odd Sock was saying. You therefore have no ground for arguing that he used the wrong word. Get over it. Could mods get this thread back on track or close it please? This is ridiculous.

Let's see: Original post completely being ignored now in favor of semantics. Sheesh you guys, take it to PMs, would you?

^ what he said

Sweet, one whole page of flaming just for me. And why ? I said it before and I said it again, nothing I had posted was intended to be personnal nor was it put in a flaming way (the Caremeter gig you have to admit was funny). As for Sagius: I give up man, you're obviously the pinacle of how people on the internet can be stupid. There's a quote that goes: don't argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. I'm overpowered here. I'm going to stop replying to this thread since it is laced with unfounded personnal attacks that have nothing to do with GW.

So..... Basically, this Sagius Truthbarron fellow is a huge nub, eh?

Ok I give up after this. Yea he probably uses mending in Tombs when he reaches 25% hp.

I don't mind Forge runners and really don't see why anyone would. Who does it effect besides the people involved? The fact is the path is available in the game and the game doesn't say the player can not enter the area yet. If you have a problem with runners turn off your local and trade chat when you are in Beacon.

As for charging people for running they are providing a service and want money in exchange so whats the problem again? It's the players money and they can do whatever they want with it. Again how does it effect anybody besides the runner and the person being ran? If a person wants to run for free fine go ahead and do it nothing is stoping that. Fact is there is nothing that can stop runners as of now so just deal with it.

You mean the new player (who are needed to keep the game up and running financially) who pop into the low level arenas and get schooled my people in end game armor? ...or perhaps the the folks (who paid for the game just like everyone else) who want to play the game through yet feel the need to turn off the chat channel just because they dont wanna hear droknar run spams. Or perhaps the very fact that it is an exploit to zone people through.

...oh gee I don't know. I think you're right

if you are in the arena you should be prepared to fight anyone that has better weapon or armor might as well whine about selling weapons as well then to be using that statement.

EDIT also the arena in Ascalon has a lvl 10 limit if your in Beacon your probably above 10if it bothers you then turn it off. What is so hard about turning off the chat? One would think if something bothers you then you would avoid it but guess that is to obvious.and this effects you how?yeah I know

???? What? So lemme see if I got this straight: you're saying the new user's experience should be to suck up the fact that there are people who bought thier way to end game armor, turn off the chat, and don't mind people who exploit the game. Hell, we might as well throw in the botters as well..oh and never give your password out.

ahh I got it, nice good to see you're lookin out for everyone.

it doesn't effect a new player because the new arena has a lvl 10 cap i seen people come out of pre-searing at 10. I came out of it at lvl 9 with me second character. If your in Beacon your probably above 10. The effect on new players is nothing. Like I said if you are in the arena be prepared for people with better armor, weapons, upgrades, runes and so. My first time in the arena I got destroyed and I didn't say "aw its unfair because he had better armor/weapon etc" but then I don't whine over losing.is this your first mmorpg? Spam is nothing new and not limited to Beacon. The chat is always filled with junk and if the words "running to Droknar's" bothers someone over all other spam that happpens in the game that's very strange.yes its called dealing with it because you can't stop it. How I play the game can not be changed untill it is patched if it ever is. 2 out of my 3 characters have been to Droknar's before hand and your gameplay experince has changed how?have you ever played with me? How do you know how I treat other players? How is me telling you that runners don't effect you not looking out for people?

Simple Solution: Create a patch to disable players with a 5-Level gap from partying. When inviting someone 5 or more levels below or above you, have one of those red messages and a little noise come up saying "You are too advanced to party with this player." or "You are not advanced enough to party with this player."

Some have beat the game already, have a lotta cash. Pay to get help to get their 2nd character to Droknars so they can buy the best armor for their new character and make lvl 20 as fast as possible without spending an endless amount of time playing the game again.

I realise that, that doesn't give them the right go begin advancing faster than anyone else. A master of Warrior isn't a master of a Mesmer. They should have to use skill every time.

who cares? if someone wants to pay someone to rush them then let them. WHY do you care? Maybe because you are not making any money and it bugs you? I have never rushed OR been rushed. with that said i think there is nothing wrong with it at all. its a service that is being provided and as long as there are people willing to pay then it will continue to go on.

further more, wanting the devs to make it so people can't join up with level 20 characters in "certain" areas is just completely stupid. Thats one of the most stupid ideas I have read on this site.

why some people get bothered so badly by what other people do in a GAME on the INTERNET is just beyond me.

sickens you? maybe you are taking things a bit too seriously.

one last thing. did you ever stop to think that some of the people that pay to be rushed are actually people that already beat the game one or more times? I'm on my 3rd char now and to be honest it would make things much better if I could rush to the ascention stage in the game. Now I won't because I really do enjoy playing too much to just rush, but others may want to skip all the stuff they have already done.

Why don't you cry about it instead of flaming? It's obviously not one of the stupidest suggestions you've ever heard in the entire forum, there are thousands of suggestions pouring in all the time, and I've seen some insanely stupid ones. So either you haven't read a single suggestion for the game besides mine, or you're some annoying little kid who has nothing better to do than to sit around all day and try to bug other people to make yourself feel good. Want a suggestion that's not so stupid? ****Edit**** Decided to take it out since a) its inappropriate for you since you obviously haven't reached puberty and b) it will, of course, never happen in your life.

YES that idea IS one of the more stupid ideas I have EVER read on this forum. NO I am not some kid just trolling the threads to cause anyone trouble. If you get annoyed this easliy then maybe YOU need to step back away from the computer and take a deep breath. So much anger is not good for anyone.
I have no idea how you could know my age, or maturity level. Trust me when I say I'm most likely older than a lot of people on this board.
This board is here for people to discuss ideas and anything else related to the game. You should expect that your ideas or the ideas of others might not always be favored by those reading them and you should also be prepared for negative comments. If you can't handle a negative comment on one of your ideas then maybe you shouldn't be part of a discussion board.

P.S. there is no such word as "stupidest". Try: stupid, more stupid, most stupid, etc etc.

This thread has descended into a train wreck of personal attacks. Locked.