Alliance Chat Only Officers and Leaders
xiaokai
I dont understand why that is? that only leaders and officers r allowed to talk?
Mindcrime
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Originally Posted by xiaokai
I dont understand why that is? that only leaders and officers r allowed to talk?
Well, you could imaginen how much spam it would be if all 11 guilds (1000+) members had access to the alliance chat.
TB_
You could also imagine how impossible it is to have said 1000 people on your friends list just to arrange something simple.
Frantic-Sheep
I think it should be alliance sided option. The leader of the alliance could mark a checkbox with "Allow all members to talk" or "Allow only officers/leaders".
Because for example small alliances / guilds can still have easier communication.. and if it gets spammy you can always turn alliance chat off again as member side option
Because for example small alliances / guilds can still have easier communication.. and if it gets spammy you can always turn alliance chat off again as member side option
Vesital
While Alliance's and Alliance chat are great ideas (Thanks Anet!) I think they were implemented very poorly. Some guilds are approaching 100+ members. To grow any further, sister guilds are a solid option, and with the alliance/alliance chat associated with Faction's release, we were quite excited as now no one in the sister guild would ever feel "lonely". But allowing only the guild leader and officer to use alliance chat kind of ruins that option. While I do agree that alliance chat might end up being a bit "busy" if everyone were allowed to use it, I still think that giving the guild the option of choosing who can use it is necessary. Perhaps allowing the guild leader to give "Permission" to people in order to use alliance chat. I don't have the perfect answer, but I think the current situation is quite faulty.
Wolydarg
Just have the leader give you an Officer position, problem solved.
Vesital
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Originally Posted by Wolydarg
Just have the leader give you an Officer position, problem solved.
While that is definitely an easy and the obvious solution, do you think it is acceptable to promote the entire guild to Officer's just to use alliance chat? Most people in good guilds earn their officer position, and promoting everyone else just so they can use alliance chat is a plain silly idea.
Sofonisba
While before, people were aware that officers/leader could invite and kick people, but those privileges weren't necessarily shoved in people's faces. Now, there are more members who are feeling less equal than others in the guild, because they are banned from chatting on alliance chat.
I used to be able to tell members that being an officer is nothing special; the way alliance chat works, though, it's an obvious perk now that will show every day.
As far as 1000 people using alliance chat at once: Before we knew that only officers and leader would be able to use it, I amended our CoC to include judicious use of alliance chat. Excessive use would get you kicked from the guild, and we expected all the guilds in the alliance to be as responsible for their own members. Now it's a moot point.
I used to be able to tell members that being an officer is nothing special; the way alliance chat works, though, it's an obvious perk now that will show every day.
As far as 1000 people using alliance chat at once: Before we knew that only officers and leader would be able to use it, I amended our CoC to include judicious use of alliance chat. Excessive use would get you kicked from the guild, and we expected all the guilds in the alliance to be as responsible for their own members. Now it's a moot point.
Dove_Song
it would be too much spam....
I've experianced it before in other games. What ends up happening is everyone just turns it off most times because it is too busy...then it's function fails because no one listens.
I personaly feel this is a wise descision. Giving the officers a much needed perk.
It also prevents some new member of yours from spouting off his trap and pissing off your enitre alliance.
I've experianced it before in other games. What ends up happening is everyone just turns it off most times because it is too busy...then it's function fails because no one listens.
I personaly feel this is a wise descision. Giving the officers a much needed perk.
It also prevents some new member of yours from spouting off his trap and pissing off your enitre alliance.
xiaokai
well the alliance leader can set rules, any guild member caught selling items recruting genral spaming will be warned, kicked watever. because i was thinking of like a allicane that used the same forum same teamspeak etc like a huge guild.
in my guild i had to make every1 officer, alliacne is a cool thing to have, but if all my members can not expericance it i dont like that, they boguht factions and/or prophies they should be able to gain benfit from alliance chat, not feel left out because they can read but not reply, that is jus wrong.
in my guild i had to make every1 officer, alliacne is a cool thing to have, but if all my members can not expericance it i dont like that, they boguht factions and/or prophies they should be able to gain benfit from alliance chat, not feel left out because they can read but not reply, that is jus wrong.
Ohtar Nimloth
Its Called priveledge...thats why only officers and the leaders can use alliance chat. If you are not an officer and think you should be able to use alliance chat...stop wasting your time posting here and go earn your officer position.
If your an officer or the leader and you want your guys to be able to use alliance chat...maybe you should be considering who your officers are and who should be one.
personally i think Anet got this one right. an army can not stand without leaders and followers. Leaders have privledges and followers have privledges although they are different. Im sure some officers would rather not deal with the responsibilitie and im sure plenty of members want em.
If your an officer or the leader and you want your guys to be able to use alliance chat...maybe you should be considering who your officers are and who should be one.
personally i think Anet got this one right. an army can not stand without leaders and followers. Leaders have privledges and followers have privledges although they are different. Im sure some officers would rather not deal with the responsibilitie and im sure plenty of members want em.
Makkert
I rather see the OPTION implemented that could give normal members access to Alliancechat.
option controllable by Guildleader.
option controllable by Guildleader.
Mindtrust
/Signed what Makkert said!
xiaokai
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Originally Posted by Ohtar Nimloth
Its Called priveledge...thats why blah blah balh
If your an officer or the leader and you want your guys to blah blah blah
personally i think Anet got this one right. an army can not stand without leaders and followers blah blah blah i use guild wars to relax and play games wit ppl who r relaxed, its a G.A.M.E
and all members of my guild deserve to be officers.
i dont just recruit any1
If your an officer or the leader and you want your guys to blah blah blah
personally i think Anet got this one right. an army can not stand without leaders and followers blah blah blah i use guild wars to relax and play games wit ppl who r relaxed, its a G.A.M.E
and all members of my guild deserve to be officers.
i dont just recruit any1
Imp
I can understand 1000 people talking, ut when 2 or 3 casual guilds with around 10 people each, it doesn't make sense. Toggle /signed
Jaek
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Originally Posted by Imp
I can understand 1000 people talking, ut when 2 or 3 casual guilds with around 10 people each, it doesn't make sense. Toggle /signed
In situations like this if it's so important that all 20-30 of you be able to communicate consolidate in to one guild.
If you aren't so friendly with these people that you're not willing to share a joint guildname, cape, and hall why is it so important you be able to chit chat with them?
As far as forming groups how hard is it for an officer to fire off a quick alliance message of "Group forming for X, contact so-and-so."
If they can't handle that why are they even an officer?
It seems to me that the people who are so upset that they can't use Alliance chat should under no circumstances be granted access to it anyway.
That's just spam waiting to happen.
In situations like this if it's so important that all 20-30 of you be able to communicate consolidate in to one guild.
If you aren't so friendly with these people that you're not willing to share a joint guildname, cape, and hall why is it so important you be able to chit chat with them?
As far as forming groups how hard is it for an officer to fire off a quick alliance message of "Group forming for X, contact so-and-so."
If they can't handle that why are they even an officer?
It seems to me that the people who are so upset that they can't use Alliance chat should under no circumstances be granted access to it anyway.
That's just spam waiting to happen.
Jaek
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Originally Posted by Makkert
I rather see the OPTION implemented that could give normal members access to Alliancechat.
option controllable by Guildleader. No way.
Here's a scenerio.
You have two guilds, A and B.
The guildleader of A decides that he wants to allow all his members to use Alliance chat.
However the members of B do not want to have to deal with that.
Now the members of B are forced to turn off Alliance chat, /ignore people, or flat out leave the Alliance.
All just because guildleader A thinks that Alliance chat is the coolest and wants all his guildies to be able to play with the neat new chat channel.
Either that or the leader and officers just aren't reliable enough to support their guild by passing along group requests.
option controllable by Guildleader. No way.
Here's a scenerio.
You have two guilds, A and B.
The guildleader of A decides that he wants to allow all his members to use Alliance chat.
However the members of B do not want to have to deal with that.
Now the members of B are forced to turn off Alliance chat, /ignore people, or flat out leave the Alliance.
All just because guildleader A thinks that Alliance chat is the coolest and wants all his guildies to be able to play with the neat new chat channel.
Either that or the leader and officers just aren't reliable enough to support their guild by passing along group requests.
Sister Spice
Im an officer in a large guild
but sheesh the pompous nonsence suggesting paeons shouldnt be 'priveleged' enough to use the alliance chat is hogwash.
As others have said - I'd like this amended to make it customisable (by guild leaders and / or officers)
As to it being that much of a privelege .... you know what, I think it's a CHORE. I now know I will have to be typing peoples requests / suggestions into Alliance chat half the time I am playing.
Pshaw.
Spice
but sheesh the pompous nonsence suggesting paeons shouldnt be 'priveleged' enough to use the alliance chat is hogwash.
As others have said - I'd like this amended to make it customisable (by guild leaders and / or officers)
As to it being that much of a privelege .... you know what, I think it's a CHORE. I now know I will have to be typing peoples requests / suggestions into Alliance chat half the time I am playing.
Pshaw.
Spice
Jaek
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Originally Posted by Rufu Vesital
Quote: Originally Posted by Rufu Vesital Most people in good guilds earn their officer position... Agreed.
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Originally Posted by Rufu Vesital
...and promoting everyone else just so they can use alliance chat is a plain silly idea.
I agree. Not everyone should be able to use Alliance chat.
Only those who have earned their officer status and can be trusted not to abuse it. At least in good guilds as you say. Fortunately Alliance chat has already been implemented in just this way. Jaek
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Originally Posted by Sister Spice
Im an officer in a large guild
but sheesh the pompous nonsence suggesting paeons shouldnt be 'priveleged' enough to use the alliance chat is hogwash. As others have said - I'd like this amended to make it customisable (by guild leaders and / or officers) As to it being that much of a privelege .... you know what, I think it's a CHORE. I now know I will have to be typing peoples requests / suggestions into Alliance chat half the time I am playing. Pshaw. Spice Yep it's a responsibility. You're the guildleader. Designate some officers you can trust and deal. You don't want to deal with the "chore" of coordinating with fellow Alliance members? I figure a good guildleader or officer would have no problem stepping up to handle these simple responsibilities. Do you just want the "status" of being able to say you're a guildleader? Pshaw. A??rendil
I agree with you Jaek. But really the Alliance chat open for entire guilds? 1000 people chatting there noncense to their mates in other guilds? I find that really irritating.
Vusak
wow some people...
if it was an option then: A. people who believe in stupid crap like 'earn your officer position', 'waste your time babysitting your guilds requests', and just general 'i wanna be an officer that can do more and therefore have more control' bs. then fine. you can. selection the option to NOT allow everyone access. B. people who understand that sometimes an officer isnt on, or that friends can be in separate guilds, or that organizing teams is a lot easier with cross communication, or that not every alliance is full of 100+ member guilds, or whatever other reason, can simply selection the option to ALLOW everyone access. thats what options are - they make more people happy - because it covers more peoples preferences
Hell Raiser
As Jaek said that would create a problem because not every guild in the alliance would want to listen to everyone chatting so they turn off the chat and miss anything important.
If everyone could use alliance chat then the only thing officers have over members is being able to kick/invite people. In most guilds you have to earn your officer position for these priviledges. As for Leaders/Officers not wanting this "chore" I say you need to rethink your position in the guild and demote yourself or take the responsibilty. Imo ArenaNet did a great job with this. So I say leave it as is and let the members earn their place in the guild. ~Hell Jaek
One final note before I lose interest in this topic entirely.
One of the points on the "All access" side is that this wouldn't be bad for smaller guilds. Keep in mind that the devs have to think about worst case scenerios. What would happen if 1000 people were all talking at once? What would happen if 1000 people simultaneously entered a message into the same channel? Do you know for sure? I don't, but I can easily believe it would not be good. Granted that situation is not likely in normal use however gamers have proven time and time again that given the chance to mess with the system, they will. Given the opportunity 1000 people will gather in a full Alliance just to test this even if it's just for this purpose. They will simultaneously or as near as possible enter a message into the channel. Assuming this does do something bad that affects other players not part of the experiment the victims will scream bloody murder. It may not just be a design decision. It's quite possibly a decision based on necessity. Plus you don't really turn channels off. You filter them out. You're still receiving the info. I don't want Crackhead Bob in some allied guild taking up any of my bandwidth what so ever. Bored now, moving on.
Zehnchu
I really don't see the real problem with everyone one being allowed to use alliance chat, if it’s because of spammers then it’s your guilds fault in teaming up with another guild that spam’s. It just creates more of a rift between players and officers and now guild to guild. If there are no officers and you see other people in the other guilds on but none of them are officers and you want to know if anyone needs a mission quest what ever you just say screw it I’ll do it alone, good way to help people in your alliance. But since I can’t use it…it’s just like the local channel of LA that only officers use, so it’s always turned off, if they want to speak to me there’s guild chat
sumasage
everyone make their own guild and make an alliance.....1000 people can talk woot!
arkane_academy
IMO guild wars made the right decision here. It is always assumed that an officer should be elected because they take on more responsibility than the other members in the group. While i'm sure there are alot of guilds where the members know each other in real life as friends, and that it would be impossible to say they are not all equally deserving as officers, it is only one way of how the game should be played. If you're a traditional guild, then yes, the leader assumes the most responsibility, then the officers. If you're a friendly, everyone is equal guild, then as the leader, you should just change everyone in your team at the Time of the alliance battle, to Officers, because thats the way you would like the guild to operate.
ANET needn't change anything as each guild can already customize who wants to speak in the officer chat already. It makes sense IMO to have the leaders (guild leader and officers) of the group consult on strategy, and then disseminate this to the soldiers, i.e the other members. ANET is simply trying to promote a beurocratic guild structure where officers actually have superior rank. Vusak
its sooooo much simpler if they just add TWO tick box options to the alliance menu.
1. allow non-officers in my guild to talk in alliance chat 2. allow non-officers in other guilds to be heard in my guilds alliance chat done everyone is happy, nobody has reason to disagree with this because it caters for all issues raised.
Ohtar Nimloth
you know if they are gonna do that then maybe they should have a non-officer/leader alliance chat. So members can spam each other all they want and noone gets thier feelings hurt.
this would allow non-officers to take charge and get things done when the chance presents itself. Allow everyone the options to 1)allow everyone to use alliance chat (or not) and for officers. 1) listen to member chat (or Not) This way officers still maintain a little priveledge over regular members... Just an idea. |
