The ability to show your skillbar to your party.

Song Rui

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2005

We are all pretty [ugly]

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Song Rui:Eviscerate, Executioner's Strike, Penetrating Blow, Tiger's Fury, Healing Signet, Sprint, Signet of Capture, Resurrection Signet.

Yes that is my current skillbar. Wouldn't it be great to let your party know your skillbar? You can finally kick that wammo with mending or the E/Me that uses echo fire storm. It would help both pvpers and pvers.

/signed

S!carius

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Germany

Force of Arms [FoA]

Mo/

I think that this could be good for only one thing. Getting rid of solo monks joining 8 man groups for uw.

Kicking the wammo with mending may be useful in somecases, but sometimes mending can be quite usefull. Finding a group that doesn't want the cookie cutter build is hard enough, with this ability, there will be even more discrimination going on.

/NOT signed

Song Rui

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2005

We are all pretty [ugly]

W/

Edited by Ashleigh McMahon: Keep your bad comments to yourself.

Replicant

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/Me

/NOTsigned

Song Rui, you're asking for a flame war by posting what you said about mending. it'd be like me kicking you out of my group cause you were bringing troll unguent.. theres nothing wrong with mending and actually helps out the Monks with helping neutralize degen and have a constant healing.. I personally always run Mending + Balth. Spirit, but i really don't care if you don't like it.

*edited to /NOTsigned*

Sidra

Sidra

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

CT

NITE

R/

/Notsigned. There is nothing wrong with mending, and some wammos are quite useful. Anyway. This is useless. It's just another way to discriminate and have builds stolen by forcing members to show their skillbars.

Edited by Ashleigh McMahon: Keep bad comments out, please.

Song Rui

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2005

We are all pretty [ugly]

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Laff. Troll Ungeunt > Mending. I'd never use Troll Ungeunt anyway. Only self heal a warrior should ever bring is healing-signet. Warriors need energy for their defensive stances. +3 Health Regeneration is NOTHING. Go ahead, keep talking about your godly skill, known as mending.

Song Rui

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2005

We are all pretty [ugly]

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Oh come on. This game is all about cookie cutters. Otherwise we wouldn't have 5000+ wammos with mending and power attack. This is not an anti mending petition, I was using mending as an example seeing as so many wammo cookie cutters run it, and they are usually more of a burden than a help to the party.

Sidra

Sidra

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

CT

NITE

R/

The suggestion would never go through either way.

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

/signed

good idea

Replicant

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Song Rui
Laff. Troll Ungeunt > Mending. I'd never use Troll Ungeunt anyway. Only self heal a warrior should ever bring is healing-signet. Warriors need energy for their defensive stances. +3 Health Regeneration is NOTHING. Go ahead, keep talking about your godly skill, known as mending.

have you ever played as a W/Mo? I have 27 Energy I do 2 Enchant Spells which Keep my Health and Energy bars maxed out.. I have no problem ever with energy so whatever problems you have with energy is your own fault... btw.. they made the Zealous Mod for a reason... if i ever do have problems with energy i switch to my zealous and normal attack... if i have things attackin me melee i put up bonetties and problem solved.

and i agree with the past people.
*retracts original /signed and switches it to /notsigned*


Edited by Ashleigh McMahon: Blooming hell, isn't this a flame bait.

Hockster

Hockster

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Song Rui
Laff. Troll Ungeunt > Mending. I'd never use Troll Ungeunt anyway. Only self heal a warrior should ever bring is healing-signet. Warriors need energy for their defensive stances. +3 Health Regeneration is NOTHING. Go ahead, keep talking about your godly skill, known as mending.
Wild Blow>Stances

Troll is a good self heal id you have points into expertise to reduce the energy cost. But you're a warrior, no expertise.

Nine or ten second stances with 45-60 second cooldowns? Stances are great if you know for a fact they won't be ended early. Unless you'r using ranger stances, which means putting points into your secondary attribute line. That also means you're less effective at dealing damage.

In case you don't get it, I'm not defending mending, even though in the right situation it is a very viable skill. Just don't paint yourself further into a corner by not seeing the whole story.

/not signed either

AydenV2

AydenV2

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

California

[TCD]

Mo/Me

A nice /slase command for displaying your guild bar would be a welcomed addition I think.

Nothing fancy, just the names of the skills.

Song Rui

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2005

We are all pretty [ugly]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Replicant
have you ever played as a W/Mo? I have 27 Energy I do 2 Enchant Spells which Keep my Health and Energy bars maxed out.. I have no problem ever with energy so whatever problems you have with energy is your own fault... btw.. they made the Zealous Mod for a reason... if i ever do have problems with energy i switch to my zealous and normal attack... if i have things attackin me melee i put up bonetties and problem solved.
Using Mending limits your weapon damage/stances lengths. In later areas, enchantment removal is rampant, thus your mending is easily stripped and you are left without your precious +3 pips of health. And recasting it is a huge hit to your energy pool.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Replicant
*retracts original /signed and switches it to /notsigned*
No need to flame. I was merely using Mending as an example. Mending hurts your characters ability, which is bad. I'd much rather have a wammo running Watchful Spirit + Balthazars spirit or using Purge Signet with Succor. Wammos like that are a much more helpful addition to the party. And I wouldn't just kick them, I'd give them tips and tell them to change a few skills. I've done it before, if they comply, they can run with us. But many times I am partyed with an E/Me using Fire storm and ruining all the aggro. This would give us a chance to HELP these people!

Edited by Ashleigh McMahon: Flame....

Song Rui

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2005

We are all pretty [ugly]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockster
Wild Blow>Stances
Apart from jade armor, I don't see anything else running Wild Blow ingame. If you use Defensive Warrior stances in PvP, then you need to be shot.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockster
Troll is a good self heal id you have points into expertise to reduce the energy cost. But you're a warrior, no expertise.
Troll = Wilderness survival. Easily interrupted in PvP/PvE and is regen! Regen isn't good. You want direct heals. That is why you should bring Healing signet as a warrior. You can cover the -armor bonus with armor boosting skills like Dolyak Signet. It is also easily interrupted, but you can cover it with stances. Only thing that'll get you here is CoF.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockster
Nine or ten second stances with 45-60 second cooldowns? Stances are great if you know for a fact they won't be ended early. Unless you'r using ranger stances, which means putting points into your secondary attribute line. That also means you're less effective at dealing damage.
Shield Stance and Defensive stance is all you need. Endgame your primary job is playing tank. Damage is your second worry. These two combined with a monk bringing healing seed and your set. Of course you can't count on the monk bringing it unless you know their skillbar!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockster
In case you don't get it, I'm not defending mending, even though in the right situation it is a very viable skill. Just don't paint yourself further into a corner by not seeing the whole story.

/not signed either
Simply because you disagree with me on the mending point? You haven't given any reason to anti sign.

minor

minor

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

In da islands mon

Stop the crap about mending and everything else plz; this is a good idea.
I have gotten so sick of asking or being asked to type out my skillbar, particulary in HA.
This would be a great option, theres so many ppl wasting time typing out skill bars and lying about it sometimes .

/signed

bilateralrope

bilateralrope

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

New Zealand

Xen Of Onslaught (Xen of the Pacific division)

In PvE this will be abused forcing people to run cookie cutter builds or nothing. However in PvP, it would be very useful to make sure everyone is running the build you asked them to instead of saying they are running your build, but instead running something else.

/signed on the condition that it only works in PvP outposts.

baz777

baz777

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

South East England

Leader: Lady Hairy Armpits S[mell]

E/

/signed

Agree, good idea

mariano

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Song Rui
Song Rui:Eviscerate, Executioner's Strike, Penetrating Blow, Tiger's Fury, Healing Signet, Sprint, Signet of Capture, Resurrection Signet.
Yes that is my current skillbar. Wouldn't it be great to let your party know your skillbar? [/QUOTE]

/signed


Quote:
Originally Posted by Song Rui
You can finally kick that wammo with mending or the E/Me that uses echo fire storm. It would help both pvpers and pvers.
/not signed

Terra Xin

Terra Xin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Mar 2006

New Zealand

Me/R

This has been suggetsed before, and the majority of people who responded answered like this:

/notsigned.

Look for the thread yourself, its here somewhere.

Song Rui

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2005

We are all pretty [ugly]

W/

I see that the greatest factor for anti signing is elitism and the ability to only run cookie cutters. Well guess what?

If a farm group is looking for an SS necromancer, they are looking for an SS necromancer. Not an MM. If you want to join their group, you must be a cookie cutter SS necromancer. Well? How is the skillbar issue going to affect anything?
You don't get to choose what you want to run here unless you are in control of the party.

In missions, anything goes. They don't really care what you're running. It doesn't matter here.

In PvP, you play to win. They can't afford to have a Shock Warrior running with Cleave because he hasn't unlocked Eviscerate yet.

Hunter Sharparrow

Hunter Sharparrow

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

Jeepers Kreepers

R/Mo

I was going to agree for the reason that this would help teams create builds that work off each other. However that can already be done by simply telling your team what skills you have to bring and what ones you planned on taking. An option to show others your skill bar would probably create more problems than anything. There is enough descrimination in this game as it is and there is no room for changes that would only cause more.

/notsigned

dag_nefzen

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2005

/signed

Will save a lot of time. I don't want to be taking the same spirits as another Rt in the group.

I'm not even going to start with the Mending thing...

Tarun

Tarun

Technician's Corner Moderator

Join Date: Jan 2006

The TARDIS

http://www.lunarsoft.net/ http://forums.lunarsoft.net/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter Sharparrow
On a side note, check this site out.
Me thinks Gaile is a bit mad....

http://www.arenanet.beeplog.com/

GO GAILE!!!!

All I can say is one thing towards Anet.
Where will you be without us players?
That site is just one angry player posting and posing. Ten bucks says it's a WoW fanboy. :P

And for this topic.

/notsigned

Reason: People are already extremely picky and whiney about things (Look at a majority of PvP with the ranks and other crap), this idea would just filter in more of that crap to PvE.

Replicant

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter Sharparrow
On a side note, check this site out.
Me thinks Gaile is a bit mad....

http://www.arenanet.beeplog.com/

GO GAILE!!!!

All I can say is one thing towards Anet.
Where will you be without us players?
uhm.... thats not Gaile Gray.......

Hunter Sharparrow

Hunter Sharparrow

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

Jeepers Kreepers

R/Mo

Yup just found that out. Removed...

Dougal Kronik

Dougal Kronik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ontario, Canada

Glengarry Fencibles

R/

For PvE

/NOT SIGNED

For PvP

/signed

Kitty Soft

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

Me/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Song Rui
I'd much rather have a wammo running Watchful Spirit + Balthazars spirit or using Purge Signet with Succor. Wammos like that are a much more helpful addition to the party. And I wouldn't just kick them, I'd give them tips and tell them to change a few skills. I've done it before, if they comply, they can run with us. But many times I am partyed with an E/Me using Fire storm and ruining all the aggro. This would give us a chance to HELP these people!
/Signed because of the above quote.

rezabm

rezabm

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Nightshift Resurrection

R/

Maybe Ctrl+Click on skillbar in outpost/town could list your skills names to team chat similar to Ctrl+click on your Health/Energy? And it should be easy enough to implement. It can help with putting a team build together a lot.

Evilsod

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

Well it would be nice to kick people for bringing skills that do nothing but screw up the rest of your group. Firestorm been the obvious example, as is the 55 monk, but surely if you suspect a 55 monk (they aren't exactly the most creative of Mo/Ws are they?) You kick them anyway! Mending was a bad choice, that skill can be quite useful in some areas, and also these late game areas you were talking about, eg, Mursaat ridden ones, the only thing that has enchantment removal there are the Ether Seals.

How often does a warrior bringing Cleave instead of Eviscerate happen in PvP exactly? Or was it in fact you.

/notsigned

However nice it would be to show your skillbar at the click of a button instead of typing it out, this would just make things worse when you took that 1 skill the leader disagreed with and kicked you. And exactly why should a Monk always carry Healing Seed? If you want to get the shit kicked out of you because you didn't bring any stances and ran that far away from the monk (even if you are luring) thats your own damn fault, don't rely on us to save your arse all the time, use your brain!

Also, Wild Blow appears on Jade Armours yes, Charr warriors and of course as you seem to have forgotten, Skeleton Berserkers.

G.S.

G.S.

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

[CroM]

R/

And what prevents you to change your build after showing it to the team?
Oh no... imagine this... A warrior shows his build
Quote:
Song Rui:Eviscerate, Executioner's Strike, Penetrating Blow, Tiger's Fury, Healing Signet, Sprint, Signet of Capture, Resurrection Signet.
and then presses K and puts Mending instead of Healing Sig! (I do not play a warrior and I'm not saying Mending is either good or bad )

I think it's a good idea... not for stopping mending wammos, but it would be nice... so I will
/sign

P.S. I know there is no such thing as W/R/Mo.

Eviance

Eviance

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Eh I forget... o_O

Biscuit of Dewm [MEEP]

R/

Here is an idea - instead of KICKING the warrior for taking mending the monk should assure that person that they can keep them well healed and ASK them to change it.

And warriors have addrenaline based skills for a reason o_O I only use 3 energy skills and only use mending when solo farming and it helps. In a group I try to stick with only healing sig and addrenaline based skills - if I have an excellent monk at my back for HA or something I usually don't take any self heal at all no matter what class I play.

/signed for convienence but at the same time if it will encourage kickers /not signed!

This is a tough one!

Snow Board Guy

Snow Board Guy

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mo/

/signed

luv ur idea

Kai Nui

Kai Nui

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Behind you with a knife

Celebrity Gangsters [FamE]

Me/

Good idea, easy fast way to let my team members know what I have incase they have some suggestions.

Song Rui

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2005

We are all pretty [ugly]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Evilsod
Mending was a bad choice, that skill can be quite useful in some areas, and also these late game areas you were talking about, eg, Mursaat ridden ones, the only thing that has enchantment removal there are the Ether Seals.
How is mending a good choice endgame though? Sure, you are invincible around the early areas, but as soon as you get to Kryta, Mending is worthless. Ether Seals don't have enchantment removal btw. Anyway this topic isn't about mendings uses. I was using it as an example. ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Evilsod
How often does a warrior bringing Cleave instead of Eviscerate happen in PvP exactly? Or was it in fact you.
No. It was not me. Many times have I noticed being hit by Cleave from IWAY warriors and the like. This topic isn't about cleave either.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Evilsod
However nice it could be to show your skillbar at the click of a button instead of typing it out, this would just make things worse when you took that 1 skill the leader disagreed with and kicked you.
Let's say the leader asked for your skillbar and he didn't agree with one skill. He'd still kick you whether this was implemented or not.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Evilsod
And exactly why should a Monk always carry Healing Seed? If you want to get the shit kicked out of you because you didn't bring any stances and ran that far away from the monk (even if you are luring) thats your own damn fault, don't rely on us to save your arse all the time, use your brain!
I never said they should always carry healing seed. And I meant that if they used it while you were tanking, you wouldn't require as much healing. The monk could rest and restore their energy. This topic isn't about healing seed though.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Evilsod
Also, Wild Blow appears on Jade Armours yes, Charr warriors and of course as you seem to have forgotten, Skeleton Berserkers.
Thank you for correcting me. I meant endgame creatures so you can throw charr out. Either way, berserkers deal minor damage to warriors that can easily be fixed in a heal. AND GUESS WHAT! THIS TOPIC ISN'T ABOUT WILD BLOW EITHER!

Now as dag_nefzen pointed out, it would help Ritualists and rangers in case they bring the same spirits.

Song Rui

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2005

We are all pretty [ugly]

W/

bump...

Juk3n

Juk3n

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Tyria

Astral Guard [AG]

W/R

Group leader = hi were doing missions and Bonus can u pip ur skill bar?

Me = yeah sure (pips)

Group leader = ahh, k. mm i think u should swap out 4 and 6 it might help out the group a little better.!

Me = yeah maybe, but so far this bar has been the most effective and is a generally strong bar for my class. btw can u pip ur skill bar?

Group leader = i dont have to pip my bar im the "leader" just change ur bar or we cant let u come with us.


oh yeah one more thing..People can just ASK YOU TO TYPE YOUR SKILL BAR so i guess signing or not signing really dosnt matter ^^
Me = Yeah about that..Shove ur skill bar up ur ass and take ur elitist team with it.

/Not signed. i use a very unconventional skill bar, but its very useful in all missions and 99% of the scenarios i get my self into. But i know people would be telling me to get lost if i had to pip them b4 each mission, so i'd rather surprise them with how good the skill bar is when we Rock to a master's reward after.

ps, for all those curious, i play w/r Troll-penetrating-dismember-disrupting-executuioners-Griffons-swift chop-Mel's resilliance(E) 13 axe mastery-11 str-10 wilderness, zealous weapon.

Ashleigh McMahon

Ashleigh McMahon

Site Contributor

Join Date: Apr 2005

North East England

WoTU[Warlords of the Underworld]

Mo/Me

I've just edited alot of peoples posts, removing bad(and pointless) comments.
If you don't like what someone has said, in the sense that they have offended you in some way or another, please use the report button(!) on the left, and don't take matters into your own hands.

Thanks
Ashleigh

Faer

Faer

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

Join Date: Feb 2006

Old thread, feature was implemented at least a hundred years ago. Bump & Lock for future archival purposes.

GG Anet.