Someone says in alliance chat: 'hey, can anyone give me a hand with xxx' or 'we need xxx for HoH'. Only the officers can reply. So you either whisper the guy, meaning he gets like 10 whispers at once and has to then explain who's said they'll come as what, or that he has what he needs now, or whatever to everyone, or you try to get an officer to convey your message in alliance chat for you. It's crazy. A really awkward system.
Guilds don't (as far as i know, and in my experience) have any great problems avoiding spam in Guild Chat (which is open to all) so i don't see why the problems in Alliance Chat would be so great that access must be limited.
My alliance of 4 fairly small guilds doesn't make too much of a distinction between members and officers. Pretty much everyone, including those who do have access to Alliance Chat, have been complaining about the annoyance the way this system works at the moment creates.
It's a very small change to make; it's not like I'm asking the dev's to design me a whole new skillset or party-forming mechanism or anything. Just free access for anyone in an alliance to their respective alliance guild chat.
[perhaps, for much bigger alliances with more members, there should still be an *option* for guild leaders to choose to restrict their alliance chat to officers and leaders only. Wouldn't be necessary in my alliance, but maybe it would in some.]
Anyone agree?
Alliance chat - access for all
TomD22
Mr Slashalot
well if there is 6 guilds eachs with 60+ members each with maybe 20 on at once thats 120 people all typing
Terra Xin
spamway, too many mouths to feed.
/notsigned
/notsigned
quickmonty
I have already had to turn off alliance chat because of the spam.
/not signed
/not signed
Skuld
There needs to be an option for all to view, at the moment I can't see or here our new allies, just feel left out whilst the officers chat on %
quickmonty
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There needs to be an option for all to view, at the moment I can't see or here our new allies, just feel left out whilst the officers chat on %
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Gonzo
/not-signed
10 guilds x 40 active members = 400 people
10 guilds x 40 active members = 400 people
Tarun
Click their name and whisper a reply. Simple.
Loralai
/not signed I have a hard enough time keeping up with my 20 member guild chat alone, much less try to catch something from someone important through the idle chatter of hundreds.
Alana
I understand the reasons ANet did it this way, but I think giving the guild leaders the option of having it available to all members would be very nice. I suppose if there are two small guilds, they should just merge to one, but I don't like how it seems like they are forced into that decision for the sake of easier communication. Ah well.
Anyway, /signed for leaders to toggle this option.
Anyway, /signed for leaders to toggle this option.
Dougal Kronik
/signed
If you are doing something else and want to ignore the Allaince chat - Turn it off.
If you are doing something else and want to ignore the Allaince chat - Turn it off.
Sientir
I agree on the idea that there should be an option to whether or not only officers + leaders or everyone can chat on the alliance chat. so, /signed to that. There are some who need it to be only officers, while others it would be good to let all talk, so I think perhaps that is the way it should be.
Rayne Nightfyre
/Absolutely signed.
Leaders deserve the right to determine this for their guild. To larger guilds, it may seem fine, but in guilds like mine where everyone plays an equal part, it's not fair to the members.
There's a related petition/argument on this topic, here's the link:
"Alliance chat rage"
Leaders deserve the right to determine this for their guild. To larger guilds, it may seem fine, but in guilds like mine where everyone plays an equal part, it's not fair to the members.
There's a related petition/argument on this topic, here's the link:
"Alliance chat rage"
TomD22
Thanks for the link. I guess then this should be:
Do you want to give guild leaders the option to allow all to use alliance chat?
That seems to garner a lot more support.
Do you want to give guild leaders the option to allow all to use alliance chat?
That seems to garner a lot more support.
m0nkey
No way and the way I see it I hate spam so I feel anything to have to do with trading should be filtered out of every chat but the trader channel period
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Someone says in alliance chat: 'hey, can anyone give me a hand with xxx' or 'we need xxx for HoH'. Only the officers can reply. So you either whisper the guy, meaning he gets like 10 whispers at once and has to then explain who's said they'll come as what, or that he has what he needs now, or whatever to everyone, or you try to get an officer to convey your message in alliance chat for you. It's crazy. A really awkward system.
Guilds don't (as far as i know, and in my experience) have any great problems avoiding spam in Guild Chat (which is open to all) so i don't see why the problems in Alliance Chat would be so great that access must be limited. My alliance of 4 fairly small guilds doesn't make too much of a distinction between members and officers. Pretty much everyone, including those who do have access to Alliance Chat, have been complaining about the annoyance the way this system works at the moment creates. It's a very small change to make; it's not like I'm asking the dev's to design me a whole new skillset or party-forming mechanism or anything. Just free access for anyone in an alliance to their respective alliance guild chat. [perhaps, for much bigger alliances with more members, there should still be an *option* for guild leaders to choose to restrict their alliance chat to officers and leaders only. Wouldn't be necessary in my alliance, but maybe it would in some.] Anyone agree? |
Epinephrine
I already posted requesting toggle option here, I think it's obvious that some want this and others don't, and toggles are the easiest way to pleae everyone - I'll quote my earlier post here though so that it's visible again.
Customization (and the ability to disregard ANY level of chat you don't want by unclicking it) means that this should present no intrusion to those who don't want it, but open up communication between allies for those that do. How can anyone be against it if you don't have to use it?
Give leaders the decision to allow their guild members alliance chat, and simply allow other guilds to decide if they want to receive member or officer alliance chat from each guild. That way you set what you want to receive.
/signed 100%
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I'd like to have toggle options beside each guild in an alliance for: Send Alliance chat (default on) Receive Alliance chat (default on) Send Guild chat (default off) Receive Guild chat (default off) Show online players (default on) View online players (default on) Show tags in gold in outposts (default on) View tags in gold in outposts (default on) Allow Guild Hall access (default off) Allow Guild storage access - if we get it with Factions (default off) This type of flexibility reflects the type of things people need. Not all alliances will be the same. Not all partners within an alliance will be the same - two guilds who know each other well may want a really close tie, but also want the added player base for alliance battles, so want one level of alliance with each other, and another level to the other guilds. |
Give leaders the decision to allow their guild members alliance chat, and simply allow other guilds to decide if they want to receive member or officer alliance chat from each guild. That way you set what you want to receive.
/signed 100%
Alathys Tylderaan
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I understand the reasons ANet did it this way, but I think giving the guild leaders the option of having it available to all members would be very nice. I suppose if there are two small guilds, they should just merge to one, but I don't like how it seems like they are forced into that decision for the sake of easier communication. Ah well.
Anyway, /signed for leaders to toggle this option. |
/signed for Leader having Option.
Laibeus Lord
Refer to this and /sign.
^_^
-> http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3025068
Alliance Improvement Suggestions. An alternative to the alliance chat limitations is there.
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-> http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3025068
Alliance Improvement Suggestions. An alternative to the alliance chat limitations is there.
Epinephrine
Instead of re-directing folks to YOUR thread, just sign here. One thread is enough; if you want them to read your suggestion, even if it pre-dates this thread, just refer to it here, as I did.
We need one highly visible, post-full thread, not eight small threads quickly buried by demands for minipet battles, new faces, quivers for rangers or +4 more AL for customizing shields, and I don't think anyone cares whose thread it is. Just put the pertinent info in here, and keep this thread visible.
Perhaps a mod will be kind enough to merge the alliance chat threads?
We need one highly visible, post-full thread, not eight small threads quickly buried by demands for minipet battles, new faces, quivers for rangers or +4 more AL for customizing shields, and I don't think anyone cares whose thread it is. Just put the pertinent info in here, and keep this thread visible.
Perhaps a mod will be kind enough to merge the alliance chat threads?
Rakeris
I agree, there should be an option for it. As not everyone is in an alliance with a number of huge guilds. Some only have a few smaller guilds.
I was so dissapointed to find out that the quilds in our alliance couldn't talk to each other, we are suppose to be in an alliance, but we can't talk to each other, and can't tell who is online or anything of the sort? Makes perfect since.
I was so dissapointed to find out that the quilds in our alliance couldn't talk to each other, we are suppose to be in an alliance, but we can't talk to each other, and can't tell who is online or anything of the sort? Makes perfect since.
Rayne Nightfyre
I've been reading some other threads regarding this, and some have a valid point I seemed to overlook. From the thread "Alliance Chat Only Officers and Leaders":
That could likely happen, so perhaps the Alliance Leader could be the only one with this option instead of each individual guild leader. But I do feel something needs to be changed, it's simply not fair to assume that every alliance would get out of hand if all members could use alliance chat.
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You have two guilds, A and B.
The guildleader of A decides that he wants to allow all his members to use Alliance chat. However the members of B do not want to have to deal with that. Now the members of B are forced to turn off Alliance chat, /ignore people, or flat out leave the Alliance. All just because guildleader A thinks that Alliance chat is the coolest and wants all his guildies to be able to play with the neat new chat channel. |
mr_boo
/signed Most Def!
I think it's a bit naive for some to assume that having Alliance Chat implemented in such a static fashion is sufficient for all or most Guilds. The ability to adjust and toggle options for a Chat Channel would provide the most flexiblity and would grant Guilds the ability to customize that Chat Channel to their liking.
I think it's a bit naive for some to assume that having Alliance Chat implemented in such a static fashion is sufficient for all or most Guilds. The ability to adjust and toggle options for a Chat Channel would provide the most flexiblity and would grant Guilds the ability to customize that Chat Channel to their liking.
Tuesg
/signed
I can see it but i can't use it, it gets annoying.
I can see it but i can't use it, it gets annoying.
Dark Suoon
/never ever signed
10 guilds with 100 ppl ea guild= destruction!
10 guilds with 100 ppl ea guild= destruction!
Epinephrine
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I've been reading some other threads regarding this, and some have a valid point I seemed to overlook. From the thread "Alliance Chat Only Officers and Leaders":
... That could likely happen, so perhaps the Alliance Leader could be the only one with this option instead of each individual guild leader. But I do feel something needs to be changed, it's simply not fair to assume that every alliance would get out of hand if all members could use alliance chat. |
Make it flexible to suit all players - you don't want tons of chat? That's fine. You want full communication? Also doable. You want to extend the guild hall privilege to an entire guild, rather than inviting each member every day if they want to party up? Sure, why not - you are aliies after all. You don't want your online roster shown? Set it to hidden - or leave itt visible and have all others able to see it. There's no limit to haow much this could improve communication and ease making of groups, but implemented as it is it's needlessly restrictive.
Omnidragon42
/Not Signed
My guild [XoO] has over 400 members, if everyone could use alliance with no moderation, things could get hectic. Maybe the leader of the alliance could have a switch for who to allow it for? That would be the best option imho.
My guild [XoO] has over 400 members, if everyone could use alliance with no moderation, things could get hectic. Maybe the leader of the alliance could have a switch for who to allow it for? That would be the best option imho.
Mandy Memory
/signed (and im in one of those big guilds)
sinisters chaos
/signed
why would ANYONE disagree that an option for the guild leader to allow or not allow his members to use the alliance chat would be a good idea
also, i would rather be spammed in alliance chat than in whispers any day, knowing u cant turn off whispers.
why would ANYONE disagree that an option for the guild leader to allow or not allow his members to use the alliance chat would be a good idea
also, i would rather be spammed in alliance chat than in whispers any day, knowing u cant turn off whispers.
Akhilleus
/signed...
...once again, if its optional i dont see how its a problem...
and besides, a guild should have enough officers to be able to take care of the problem, should there be one.
i got on guildwars at 10:00 AM this morning, when i had 4 officers online and played till i left for work, the lowest officer count we had today was 0, but i was online, half an hour later we had 2 officers on.
after i got back from work/bar at about 11:00 PM and have been online for 3 hours; its 2:30 AM and we still have 3 officers online, and myself (3/9 officers). and chances are, 1-2 of those officers will be on till 4-6 AM...this schedual is reapeatd daily.
any compitent guild leader should take it upon himself to notice whose active at different times, and promote accordingly, so that theres always an officer on, or the leader themsleves.
they should also make it clear that abuse of guild features is frowned upon.
the option to allow it should be there...if a guild cannot regulate it, they can turn it off, but those of us who know how to run our guilds should not be punished.
...once again, if its optional i dont see how its a problem...
and besides, a guild should have enough officers to be able to take care of the problem, should there be one.
i got on guildwars at 10:00 AM this morning, when i had 4 officers online and played till i left for work, the lowest officer count we had today was 0, but i was online, half an hour later we had 2 officers on.
after i got back from work/bar at about 11:00 PM and have been online for 3 hours; its 2:30 AM and we still have 3 officers online, and myself (3/9 officers). and chances are, 1-2 of those officers will be on till 4-6 AM...this schedual is reapeatd daily.
any compitent guild leader should take it upon himself to notice whose active at different times, and promote accordingly, so that theres always an officer on, or the leader themsleves.
they should also make it clear that abuse of guild features is frowned upon.
the option to allow it should be there...if a guild cannot regulate it, they can turn it off, but those of us who know how to run our guilds should not be punished.
Laibeus Lord
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Instead of re-directing folks to YOUR thread, just sign here. One thread is enough; if you want them to read your suggestion, even if it pre-dates this thread, just refer to it here, as I did.
We need one highly visible, post-full thread, not eight small threads quickly buried by demands for minipet battles, new faces, quivers for rangers or +4 more AL for customizing shields, and I don't think anyone cares whose thread it is. Just put the pertinent info in here, and keep this thread visible. Perhaps a mod will be kind enough to merge the alliance chat threads? |
To get good /signs we need a clear thread and a subject so people will read first before replying with /unsign or /sign. Its human nature to react after reading the "subject" line of the thread and therefore in this case, they /unsign quickly. I'll do the same.
Just read a few posts above and people were saying "why would anyone /unsign an option for leaders to choose who gets access?" -type of comments.
my two cents.
so /unsign for me for "Access for all".
Tals
I think the idea makes sense. 400 members in a Guild isn't so much. Maybe it should be down to the individuals whether they want to see officer chat or grunts chat as well.
I'd certainly like an option to see who on the alliance is online.
Tals
I'd certainly like an option to see who on the alliance is online.
Tals
Carinae
My suggestion...Please give us:
An Alliance channel that can be used by ANY alliance member.
AND
An Officer channel that can only be used by officers (only visible to officers as well?)
This solves all issues, I think. Both channels can be disabled in case of huge guilds/spam but could also allow free communication among alliance mates.
An Alliance channel that can be used by ANY alliance member.
AND
An Officer channel that can only be used by officers (only visible to officers as well?)
This solves all issues, I think. Both channels can be disabled in case of huge guilds/spam but could also allow free communication among alliance mates.
Tals
after a week of not being able to post in alliance chat when i'm up for some action most definitely /signed
zhai
/signed - especially Carinae Dragonblood's idea
zerowingcats
/signed because there have been times where there was no guild leader/officer on in my guild.
BrandonIT
/signed.
No officers sometimes are on. Not being able to participate is frustrating.
If the toggle will make it more widely accepted, then fine. Otherwise, just give it to us all. Not all of us have 4 x 60 member guilds. Some of us are in much smaller alliances. Spam will almost certainly not be an issue for mine.
Besides, the turnaround argument to the "your guild leader should promote more officers" is "your guild leaders should be able to control any spamming guildies."
No officers sometimes are on. Not being able to participate is frustrating.
If the toggle will make it more widely accepted, then fine. Otherwise, just give it to us all. Not all of us have 4 x 60 member guilds. Some of us are in much smaller alliances. Spam will almost certainly not be an issue for mine.
Besides, the turnaround argument to the "your guild leader should promote more officers" is "your guild leaders should be able to control any spamming guildies."
kaya
bringing the conversation over from the new thread.. that just got booted!
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amen to that. it's been almost a month now that i've been able to use the search command properly... maybe i need to stay up late just so i can use it right. and the google search is never very helpful... enough with the use the search command comments until it's actually up to speed itself.
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/signed this would be a simple solution. I'd actually go as far as saying not only toggle it for members or leaders, but maybe even for each specific member. Say you have a member you just dont want f-ing up your relationship with your alliance, cause he got a track record of blowing up, then you have the option to turn his alliance chat off, and leave the rest on.
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Is that so MCS? Because I heard ANet will do anything we ask them only when the search actually works. Unless you're on GWGuru between the hours of 1AM and 4AM, forget about it actually being enabled. Of course, I'm sure you knew that didn't you...
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Anyways, on a related note, I support the OPs suggestion. There are simply situations in which it would be useful for guild members to use the alliance chat channel, and hey, if you are in an alliance with 2874728734 guilds, then I have another suggestion. Get ready for this, you're going to love it: My suggestion is that the guild leader of the guild heading the alliance can toggle who can use the alliance chat, be it all members, officers/leaders, or leaders only! Hot diggety damn!
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naveh3
/signed....
let the officers detemine who can talk .... like toggle each member alliance privillage :P
really this thing is needed and im talking as an officer not a member... it is very needed...
let the officers detemine who can talk .... like toggle each member alliance privillage :P
really this thing is needed and im talking as an officer not a member... it is very needed...
mariano
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I understand the reasons ANet did it this way, but I think giving the guild leaders the option of having it available to all members would be very nice. I suppose if there are two small guilds, they should just merge to one, but I don't like how it seems like they are forced into that decision for the sake of easier communication. Ah well.
Anyway, /signed for leaders to toggle this option. |
Either leaders or officers... think: when all leaders agree all members of the alliance may chat, but if one leader disagrees it would not be.
Tals
/notsigned regarding Officers deciding on chat.
Lets go for Alliance officers chat and a general alliance. Those who don't want to hear alliance chitter chatter can turn it off and still hear their beloved officers talk
Tals
Lets go for Alliance officers chat and a general alliance. Those who don't want to hear alliance chitter chatter can turn it off and still hear their beloved officers talk
Tals