Lack of 12v12 Players (Reasons?)

Hola,

I made it out to alliance battle land the other day, and having done it during the FPE rolled up my sleeves and got ready for the fun. Now, I knew (as I'm sure everyone does) about the changes and how they sounded pretty lame but I thought hey give it a try first. I quickly ran into the problem of having no one to give it a try with. There was 1 Luxon district and it was filled with maybe 15 people total. We got together a group of 4 but it still took like 10 minutes before a game actually started, and once it did, it was a big disappointment. I understand the nerf to things like heal party but the lack of chat / map pinging / seeing their health bar so i can heal other them stunk, but i digress.

What I'm wondering is do people think the lack of participants in alliance battles is due to people still hanging out in the city doing missions on PvE characters or because people simply do not like the changes that were made? I'm sure both contribute, but given that you can join a battle straight from your guild hall I would have expected most everyone to be able to get there. Curious what other people think.

No, it's mainly due to the fact that it takes quite a long time to get there. Not everyone wants to rush through missions and dedicate 30 hours of their time to gaming in the span of 4 days.

While doing 12 vs 12 you always have one of those persons bashing the other alliance. And I'm like, " of course the luxons can hear you seeing this is the LUXON district", even though it's the Kurzicks district. Many will say "dude its kurzick", people don't know sarcasm do they, well than you get one flaming up a storm saying" all you people joined the band wagon yada yada yada".Than I ask the guy why your here, and he says his guild picked it, thus bandwagon.

Longest time was 10 timer resets. Problems not enough teams forming, there is no opposing teams in the other faction side.

I dont like the new setup so im not playing it. (Not for a while anyway.)

/agreed I'll be in kurz challenge missions farming for my factions

you're so impatient... I stopped being impatient as soon as Factions comes out.

Answer?

will need to be repeated a few times... it's necessary too, there's just gonna be another thread similar to this one.

I can understand the explanation that people are just having more fun doing the missions in the city. But as far as taking 30 hours to get there it seems a strange explanation as the majority of people are in a guild and can just press G, visit guild hall, talk to alliance battles guy, no?

How is that even a question? Why do people assume everyone can have that sort of schedule? Guild Wars was a game opening the door to people who could not grind like in WoW...

To be in an alliance, you need to be with either luxons or kurzicks. Cavalon and the House takes a long time to get to, especially if you start from Shing Jea.

what....answer? easy, you put a question mark at the end of it.

what schedule.... what are you talking about?

Good point. I guess I was assuming that most guilds had allied themselves during the FPE and that if they did not many guild leaders are quite active and had found their way down to Cav / House but that was probably a bad assumption to make. Will have to give it another week and see. Now, Back to Dragon's Throat

Most people I know aren't nearly that far in the PvE part of the game yet to actually think about getting into Alliance Battles, nevermind the people who are still waiting for there CE copy to arrive. Give it about 3 weeks and I imagine they'll be overflowing w/ people.

Not if your guild did it during the FPE (that's how we have ours) we just choose not to do the alliance battles because we tried and hated the new setup (I know hate is a strong word but that about sums it up for most of us).
We have TWO guildies in our decently sized guild that are doing the battles and that is only because they want the amber or jade for their armor or to sell and make a buck.

And if you got in to a battle in 10mins you are luckier than most - it took our group the first time we went in 30mins to get a battle and we were promptly toasted.

1 luxon district with only like 15 ppl in there?? -- and ppl wonder why im not going Kurzick... Someone has to balance out the numbers

I hate how the 12vs12 battles turned out.

I really enjoyed it in the fpe, the massive feel of the battle as you could see all 12 party members in your party window. Now it is just the random arena's mixed with team arena's, you don't get the feel of a giant battle anymore..

So im currently avoiding it.

It think what happened was during the FPE, Kurzicks were pretty much owning, so people that were luxon decided to switch to Kurzick.

Yeah it's true. During FPE Luxons had the wait time and everyone said oooo no wait if I'm Kurzick I'll go there. And the tables have turned.

PS: yeah only about 1 district of 15 but that was an extreme case I think as it was about as off peak time as you can get (3am ish?)

What was the point of alliance battles again anyway, I understood they were fought for control over special areas but it now seems the Elite areas are in the towns owned by the top alliances.
So what are the battles for? What do the lines represent?

A whole lot of nothing!

The Best way to encourage change to the alliance system is to not play it. In many ways I think this is a part of what is happening. One side or the other is simply not playing that part of the game till something is addressed, thus locking out the other side because there is no one to play against. There is plenty of other parts to play too keep people busy in the mean time.

Anets likelihood of listening to our requests and adjusting to accommodate I agree is very small... as this is what they want period. but its worth a try to accomplish.

Faction Alliance battles are used to control the lux kur line. as it moves it changes ownership of the towns. During the FPE the line was all the way over to House of zu basically at one point, which meant all the high level kur towns, were Lux controlled and only those with lux faction favor could do commerce. Until the town was liberated with alliance battles. (IE Moving the line back)

Control of towns means more areas and more top alliances getting opportunity to use the discount vendors.

Since the elite battles are in the capitals to each area its pretty secure. so doing alliance battles is only basically for amassing faction points to use for the cause. It has nothing to do with unlocking elite battle areas, other then acumulating points.

It also seems people are forgetting Fort Aspenwood and Jade Quarry PvP areas... as those appear to be ghost towns any time of the day...

ingy